/sci/ - Science & Math

No atheism vs god threads.

Source : /sci/ rules.

>ready theists?

Well, I'm waiting.

1 First God made heaven & earth 2 The earth was without form and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep; and the Spirit of God was moving over the face of the waters. 3 And God said, "Let there be light"; and there was light. 4 And God saw that the light was good; and God separated the light from the darkness.

Imagine an isolated place, anywhere that you find tranquil and peaceful. Be alone and unafraid of what you may encounter. Cleanse your mind of everything you know of and any goals you may have. For this to work your mind must be in complete purity and untouched by what’s existent in reality, to the point where if I asked you to name what was in this place, you wouldn’t know and you wouldn’t care. Allow your surroundings to control you, and feel as one with the space as a soft breeze brushes against your face. Once you have found this place I want you to take a mental picture and keep it memorized for the next step.
In your chosen place everything that was present was simple and pure, no matter how complex it seemed. There was only two main factors of your place which allowed you to be present; the surroundings (what you chose to imagine) and the space (why what you chose to imagine could be there). Without both of these factors it would be impossible for you to be present, and to observe your new found dream world. I now need you to experiment with your place: Firstly, remove the surroundings and feel yourself falling endlessly through the air, and as you look at your hands, they dissolve and vanish completely. With no surroundings you are nothing but lost static as there is no structure to keep you present and unitized. Secondly, remove the space and watch as your surroundings clash into each other at high speeds before disappearing and leaving a dark void of nothing. With no space you and your chosen surroundings cannot exist for there is nothing to exist within. Evidently your chosen place relies on both the surroundings and space to be real, even just as a memory. I want you to memorize this and experiment with your imagination until you understand it entirely. When understood we can move on to the next step.

>>1914260

Look, he can wield the enormous power of Sage!

In your chosen place everything that was present was visible, and even if it was in complete darkness you were still able to see the dark. If your place was dark, for experimental purposes I would like you to turn on the lights so everything is clear, and be accompanied by only your shadow. If you examine your surroundings you will see that the light makes everything visible. Firstly, I would like you to treat this light source as a person, a being that exists rather than an element or reaction. Secondly, from your personal view I want you to put yourself in the lights position, but without moving, only in imagination. You should notice that the light makes everything it looks at visible, and this is done by the light being present. Without the light there is complete darkness and nothing can be seen. The light flows through the space and reflects off of the surroundings. Both your chosen surroundings and space are reliant on the light to be visible. Now I would like you to take another mental picture and remove yourself from this place for the next step.

In this mental picture of your chosen place, the definitive and only reason you can imagine it is because of the light. As just a memory, if you remove the light, the place no longer exists, for you’re not present to observe it and there is no light source to enlighten the area to be remembered. This shows you that to memorize this place you require a light source, and without this source you cannot picture it in your mind. It also shows that both the space and surroundings rely on the light to exist. Now I would like you to insert yourself back into your chosen place and switch off the lights. Immediately you will notice that you can be present without the light source, and if you move around and touch things in the area you will prove to yourself that they can be present too. How is it possible to for you to exist in an area without a source of light? It’s simple. I want you to remember how you felt in the lights position and what exactly it did to enlighten the room; I then want you to trial and error with the surroundings and the space to see which one it most relates to. Ultimately you’ll come to the conclusion that neither holds a significant relation to the light, which only leaves one more element, you – the observer. By being present you make everything in the vicinity visible (although dark). You flow through the space and reflect off of your surroundings. Both the surroundings and space are reliant on you to exist. To conclude this step, you are the light source. It also shows us automatically that light is not only the opposite of dark, but also the opposite of nothing, for you are something. When you have completely understood this part we can move on to the final step.

With all the prior information in hand I would like you to place yourself back in your chosen place and examine the surroundings. Although we have covered the basics of what allows you to exist in this place, we haven’t quite understood the why you are able to exist there in the first place. We’ve covered your relation with the light, and the relationship between the surroundings and space. We now need to find out which of the elements are positive and which are negative. We must first interpret the area through the lights being. The light moves through the space, and the light reflects off of the surroundings. We now know that the light and surroundings are positive, and that the space is negative, for the light can move through the space but reflects off of the surroundings, and the surroundings are present within in the space to exist, showing that the space does not over-power the surroundings. As you are also light, you are also positive.

1. Space: Negative
2. Surroundings: Positive
3. Light: Positive
4. The Observer: Positive

Once again enter your chosen place and scan the area, the light in the room reflects off of your presence for both are positive, and does not at any point travel through you. When you touch any part of the surroundings you do not seep through but rather reflect just as the light did, and you most definitely move through the space; this reinforces the fact of the positive/negative relation between all of the elements. Inevitably this shows that you, the surroundings and the light are the same, if only with different given names. But why exactly are you able to exist in the first place? It’s simple. What do positive and negative do? They attract, and this attraction is clearly represented in your own mind. You chose this specific place because you were attracted to it, because you would love to reside in such a place. The only reason any of this exists, is love; the bond that allows these opposites to attract. Now I would like you to open your eyes and bring yourself back to the reality you reside in and place your hand out in-front of you then repeat these words in your mind, “Everything and anything in my path I relate to, there is no object and no element in my family, only beings that exist alongside me. There are no obstacles, only feats to accomplish between me and my comrades. I can call my relations by the name I choose and I understand that ‘nothing’ is the only defined resource, for it is negative and I overpower it. Life cannot be defined, life can only be lived. I will live my life to the full and how I want to live it, and I will never allow my knowledge to overpower my imagination.” Congratulations, you are now theistic! Now all you need to do is substitute the pureness of your chosen place for the naturalness of reality (things which were created by nature), and separate these natural things from unnatural ones (things which were created by humans).

Who wrote the bible? We did, humanity, with imagination. We didn't have technology, so we interpreted the universe by using PURE IMAGINATION, AND PURE OPINION. This made life ALIVE, not dead. True theists are IMAGINATIVE, and put IMAGINATION above KNOWLEDGE, and LIFE above DEATH.

The bible is written in Gods being, Gods view. Who is the 'observer' in the bible, eh? Which point of view are we looking at here? Is it a story? Or is it from the observers perspective. THAT'S RIGHT, It's in GODS OWN WORDS.

Does light have a speed? No. It has a will, and an influence. It is not a chemical, it is being. We are light, we came from light, and therefore 'light' is ALIVE.

"enlightened"
"I see the light"

As the 'brightness of light' overpowers the 'brightness of humans', the light is OUR LORD, it's above us, and made from the same things! Everything derives from GOD, and the bible is EVOLUTION.

tldr

>>1914319
too dumb; wasn't bothered

YOU MAD? NO REPLY /SCI/? TOO TRUE FOR YOU? STILL IN DENIAL? BUTTHURT? TEARS?

Lol, yall dumb as fuck. REVOLUTION IS COMING, YALL GANNA BURN TO DEATH LEWL

>First God made heaven & earth
I stopped here. Where are your experiments, your sources ? And don't answer me the bible.

>>1914343
Use your imagination. What, do you think imagination is useless? It's the only thing that makes us human. Without 'imagination' we are nothing but clockwork machines walking around like slaves. Light IS the opposite to you, go outside and look at light as a BEING and not a REACTION of CHEMICALS. Look at life through the lights perspective (you can do that, it's called 'imagination').

>YOU MAD? NO REPLY /SCI/? TOO TRUE FOR YOU? STILL IN DENIAL? BUTTHURT? TEARS?

Lol, yall dumb as fuck. REVOLUTION IS COMING, YALL GANNA BURN TO DEATH LEWL

What's the matter /sci/? Too true for you to handle?
Tears? Asspained?

>>1914356
>Look at life through the lights perspective
I'm traveling at nearly 300,000 km/sec while having both properties of a wave and of matter, yet I have no mass. Oh shi- just got absorbed. Thanks a fucking lot now my life is over just so this black fucking concrete can release some damned heat energy.

Well, I didn't find that particularly enLightening, but I do believe it satisfied your request that I use my imagination, did it not?

bump

>>1914434
If light was travelling at a speed it wouldn't stop, it would detach and travel around the planet like a lazer beam. You're delusional. Light is living, you're made of light, it is your LORD. You're fucking crazy for thinking it's not. You're observance of light speed is either from unnatural things like 'light bulbs' or beings that are billions of miles away from you. Your science is flawed, and so is your brain.

We're made out of light, do we have a speed? No, we have a will and a influence. Just as the 'light' does. You're funny and deluded people who don't have much longer to live. LONG LIVE OBAMA and LONG LIVE TERRORISM TO AMERICA

>>1914356
>>1914452

FUCKIN MAGNETS HOW DO THEY WORK

ANTHROPOMORPHIZED RADIATION ENTITIES EVERYWHERE IN THIS BITCH

Pic related, it describes this thread

>>1914516

>ANTHROPOMORPHIZED RADIATION ENTITIES

foxmulder.jpg

the only way to terminate infinite regress is God.

I hope we will come to know such a first cause in time, and while I cannot tell you if it will be a personal God or something else I can tell you this thing - we will worship it.

>>1914288
This is merely the basis of meditation. Quite trite honestly.

Actually, there is nothing here that has been posted that is specific to Christianity other than the OP. If anything, this is far more relevant to Buddhism and Hinduism than christianity.

But Buddhism and Hinduism do not strictly object to the idea that the concept of God, gods, goddesses and the like were the creation of man, as aposed to the creation of man by a god.
They do not believe that who created what is entirely significant, as opposed to Christianity.

OP, read this, it is almost exactly what you were trying to portray.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_(illusion)

>>1914288
Shits sounds like apathy to me.

>>1914596
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