/sci/ - Science & Math

>psychology
>a head

Oh ho! I see what you did there.

No. Psychology isn't real /sci/.

Hard Science or GTFO.

>i want to get a head
fuck psychology get yourself a goddamn head before you die faggot

i generally go to the internet to learn things, but i've heard the library works too.

>>1891740
Ha! Freudian slip on my part.

>>1891747

Psychological experimentation adheres to scientific method, at least in analytical psychology.

Also not digging the negative connotation - I'd wager that quantum physics is as much a soft science as psychology.

>>1891780
>quantum physics is as much a soft science as psychology
o lawdy
0/10

>>1891793

Nice rebuttal.

>>1891769
I ment like the Khan Academy.

>>1891780

Really? The applications of quantum physics, (eg Semiconductors and Lasers) seem pretty Hard science to me.

>>1891780
you are wrong, they have no real control variables

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Psychology
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outline_of_psychology
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_psychology_topics

>>1891796
Since it appears you aren't trolling, just ignorant as fuck, spend 30 mins and acquaint yourself:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Introduction_to_quantum_mechanics

ps. Quantum Mechanics is the single most successful and accurate 'hard-science' physical theory to date. It is constantly and repeatedly tested quantitatively around the world.

>>1891804
Just ignore him. Economics fags try the same shit daily. They just don't get the scientific method and what it entails.

>>1891804
Thanks for your input. Though I was looking for something a little more in-depth then wikipedia.

>>1891716

If you want a head, the black market is really the only place to look. Try Mexico.

Psychology = gay science. Physics is a real science. Chem, bio... etc, real. Psychology. gay.

>>1891836
Typical cop-out.
>"I need something more rigorous."
Coming from a Psychology student? OH THE IRONY!

>>1891834

Weird, intro sociology courses go through the scientific method without shitting all over it.

Hm... If I recall it was defined in that class as:
-Evidence-based, "evidentiary"
-Open minded to change in understanding "negativistic"
-Skeptical
-Systematic

Try dabbling in neuroscience.

>>1891913
Holy shit, just what you'd expect from a sociology class.

Step 4 is where social sciences fall apart. You should be able to tell why.

>>1891934
Uhmmm.... I don't about you, but all my psychology courses used all steps of the scientific method when it came to research mentalities and disorders, and trying to distinguish them from each other, and determine what characteristics are more consistent in different environments.

I don't know where you're getting this crap from, unless you mean when it comes to therapy and diagnosing a patient, then yes, that's mostly going off impressions.

>>1891981
"Test with an Experiment"

You really are fit for psychology, aren't you? You can't even understand basic comments and respond appropriately.

Tell me, how does psychology test their hypotheses with experiments?
How are these experiments 'conclusive' or not?

>>1891988
Yes, we do test experiments and hypothesis via repeated stimuli that gets slightly modified each time to emulate certain environments, consistency, and triggers of the disorder or mental function we try to study, and record and graph an average out of them and make sure their compliment and solidified.

>>1891997
Completely insufficient. Where is the ability to control and interpret controlled variables? Where is the isolation? Where is the ability to repeat and replicate?

The areas where you can perform sufficient experiments are not part of psychology. They are part of biology.

>>1891872
I know a guy who is chemist and he's a gayfag. I mean, the real pervert one.. On the other hand, most psychologists I've met were straight men, some of them with wife, kids n shit.

>>1892008
THat's why both psychology and psychiatry become more credible actually when they get into biology's territory. Guess what that says about them as sciences...

Biopsychology.....
Biopsychiaty....
Bio......

>>1892046
Precisely. A degree in psychology is an embarrassment to REAL scientists.

At worst, it's bunk. At best, it's intellectual welfare.

Study biology and focus on the brain.

>>1892008
>Where is the ability to control and interpret controlled variables?
Control environments, monitorization, play-part experience, and statistician.

>Where is the isolation?
The same environment and experiments the test subjects are given and used in consistently and variably.

>Where is the ability to repeat and replicate?
The same there is in science, by the doing the same experiments repeatedly, sometimes with different subjects, to draw out an average and solid data.

>The areas where you can perform sufficient experiments are not part of psychology. They are part of biology.
I'm sorry, but that is just flat out wrong and inexperienced. The experiments are done to test for mental functionality and process-ability, to prove certain features and uses of the human mind to chosen and varied stimuli and conditioning, to peak out the buried prospects of how a man can mentally handle various event-based environments, and to record and mathematically determine how to peak out it continuously and the variations behind it. This is not physical enough to be biological, hardly chemical, but it is solid enough to produce data that can be replicated and redone and proven and experimented and used and determined and reported for future experimentation and propositions.

>>1892082
So basically you're saying psychology is a sub-branch of biology which studies the interaction between humans' biology and their environment, with a focus on mental processes and social functioning effects.

>>1892046
>bio-psychiatry
... Psychiatrists ARE Medical Doctors as in Medschool grads... At least around here... So the hell would make it more biologically interrelated

>>1891997

Don't worry though. At least Psychology has SOME basis in a real science (Biology). Sociology is derivative of Psychology and is complete crap. My Sister-in-law just finished her Masters in Sociology a while back. She got me to proof read one of her final Essays, which was all about something called Discourse theory, and to cut along story short says that Science, Maths and Logic are just as arbitrary as any other belief system. All fully referenced and it turns out quite a mainstream view for them wacky Sociologists. I noted in the margins that she and her professor should try using a Voodoo ceremony to charge their iPods from now on if all belief is equivalent. For some reason, I don't proofread her essays anymore lol.

>>1892118
Yeah, well psychiatry is not a science in itself but a branch of medical science. Pscyhology, on the other hand, still claims it's a separate science.. Judging by its lately increasing reliance on biology and neuroscience, that's hard to believe.

>>1892114
Psychology studies the mind and how it works, but also experiment, hypothesize, and theorize to verify what we study and research of the mind is consistent and can be used as data to back up our findings and research, experiment to prove our speculation and suspicions, and use it continuously for future research, studies and experiments; and if we can't find something we're currently looking for, do it all over again until you do. That's all we do with psychology until you get into therapeutic realms.

>>1892139

Which branches would you advocate as being the most scientific? I'm interested in pursuing an education in psychology whilst maintaining scientific integrity, if that makes sense.

>>1892139
I know that. You give me a textbook answer.
I was more interested in going beyond what the academic establishment still thinks or wants to hold on to.

Psychology's focus on 'the mind' comes from an age-old superstition that the mind is something separate from the body. There are philosophical foundations in psychology...from Descartes' theory of mind to Freud's focus on the effects of culture on the mind.

But you probably know that this mentality is outdated. For instance, the findings that the digestive tract and the brain influence each other to create anxiety proves that the territory of study that psychology claims cannot be considered autonomous enough for that claim to be made.
I am looking forward for scientists to prove how sex influences the brain instead of the other way around, which is still the prevailing dogma today. Then you'll understand that the mind is not a priviledged place over the body, it's only an artificial separation created by philosophy's inlfuence on sciences.

>>1892139
Dude, you're trying so hard, you're writing so much, but you're exactly where you started: Defending a soft science (if we can even call it that) that lacks intellectual rigor.

Every major breakthrough in our understanding of the mind is coming out of the life sciences, neurochemistry and biophysics in particular. Psychology then attempts to extrapolate from those breakthroughs, but really accomplishes nothing of value. It's research for the sake of research, not understanding. What would you expect from a subject that has a math requirement of a whopping ONE introductory statistics course. It's a BA program for a reason.

>>1892175
You don't get it. Psychology is the LEAST rigorous, and most bunk, branch of biology.

>>1892214

So I should investigate a biological approach? I'm merely interested in the mind and brain, and would like to know the best way to pursue that interest.

OP here all we have learned so far in the class is biology and sensation and perception. FYI.

Hey OP, if you were smart in psychology, you would know never to post here asking for harder courses.

psychology is just applied neuroscience.

>>1893739

Yea, no. Psychology is the science about the mind and behavior of the human mind. Neuroscience is just a sub-set or specialization of psychology. Surely you don't think that an understanding of the brain is all that's needed in order to know these things, right?

>>1893739
Neuroscience is just applied biology.

>>1893762
And physics is just applied math.

>>1893832
and math is just applied philosophy.

>>1893832
Math is just applied philosophy.

>>1893838
>>1893844

>>1893844
You're too late.

I guess it takes a while to type in that there trip code, huh?

Psicology might as well serve a purpose. "Sociology", onthe other hand, only serves the purposes of socialism.

>>1893844
>>1893838

Not quite. But everything is linked. Demarcating is going to do more harm than good.

>>1893850
Tripcode is filled in automatically.
>>1893851
de·mar·cate (d-märkt, dmär-kt)
tr.v. de·mar·cat·ed, de·mar·cat·ing, de·mar·cates
1. To set the boundaries of; delimit.
2. To separate clearly as if by boundaries; distinguish: demarcate categories.

wat?

>>1893851
>Not quite. But everything is linked. Demarcating is going to do more harm than good.
I'll just go ahead and attack the Pioneer anomaly with computational phylogenetics. I'm sure that'll help.

This is an absolute, but in the fields I work in this is the relations I see.

Shifting problems from one space to another to be solved is very powerful.

>>1893867
*isn't an absolute

>>1893858

The world used to be believed as flat.

>>1893875
What does that have to do with the fact that there are good reasons why picking a random field to solve a problem usually won't help?

To everyone bitching about Psychology not generating useful information, being research for the sake of research, I would like you to consider the impact of discoveries such as Classical and Operant Conditioning.

You can get just about anyone to do just about anything with those.

I regret making this thread I only wanted to get a little ahead in psych.

This thread amuses me.

Just read the book. What I did. Got a 4 on the test with one semester of studying.

>AP

ap classes are nothing more than 100 level classes.

a joke.

Psychology isn't real science.