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Can humans truly acquire immortality within our lifetimes?

>>1869733
Saging a science thread, oh how this board has fallen.

Very carefully.

>>1869744
Explain their method please?

Probably in space somewhere.

The possibilities are endless when they're immortal.

>>1869764
1. Develop intergalactic space travel
2. Find suitable new galaxy to live in
3. ????????????????
4. Continue profiting by being immortal

>>1869730
you mixed up immortality with invicibility man.
>>1869735
Ive read some science press lately, there was huge article about scientific predictions about humanity, it said that in 2050 average lifetime will be around 100y, and in current aquisition of new scietific metodes and materials around 2080 ppl will make some kind of surrogates where we would transfer our consciousness again and again, which would be immortality of some kind.

The only good thread on /sci/ at the moment and no responses?

I am disappoint.

>>1869774
Is this good news for transgender people?

>>1869774
Does this mean humanity will go robotic?

>>1869774
>you mixed up immortality with invicibility man.

Samething dumbass.

>>1869777
well probably yes, plastic surgery will be developed so much that differences in sexes will be easly missed and changing genders will be a lot less problematic than it is now.
If this scenario would work we would have sex only for fun cause having babies wouldnt be that needed if we could grow ourselves a child without a macabre of preganancy and labor

>>1869789
Would transsexuality even exist then?

Surely, society would stop imposing gender rolls.

I want a machine where you step into it and it turns you female and come out to where they charge you to keep your old identity on a USB device for extra currency.

>>1869779
not really sure robotic civ is soo from year 2000 - now with great invention from Craig Venter biotics will get 1st place and somekind of biomechanics in future

>>1869781
No, if you're immortal you can't die.
If you're invincible every moron with a green glowing rock can kill you

>>1869803
Do immortals need to breath?

>>1869781
no, immortality is living endlessly however you can be killed in some bizzarre way (at least in every book or movie I seen/read)
and invicibility is beeing indestrucible - that kind of beeing would survive destruction of home planet.

However I think that we will leave Earth long long time before sun exploding and Earth destruction (6 billion years or such ?)

>>1869810
Immortality is agelessness. Invulnerability is undestroyable.

>>1869813
>immortality is living endlessly however you can be killed in some bizzarre way
Does this mean God can be killed?

>>1869820
In other words, immortality is useless?

>>1869735
http://www.hplusmagazine.com/articles/forever-young/manhattan-beach-project-end-aging-2029

>>1869825
god doesnt exist, your argument is invalid.
>>1869835
if agelessness is useless for you, immortality is useless too, but you should see bigger perspective. Best ppl on earth, guys with nobel prize will live endlessly and discover new things from time to time.

>>1869847
>god doesnt exist, your argument is invalid.
Proof? Source?

another scientific thread would die If I wouldnt participate.

>>1869846
Science can do marvelous things except change a chromosome. LMAO The reason for this is because God made things closed source.

>>1869846
I need to know if I'd be the last or first generation.
Birthdate: 1990

Bumping the only interesting thread on /sci/ at the moment.

>>1869863
>God
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>>1869866
You're practically guaranteed to be the first.

>>1869847
How can you discredit something without evidence?

>>1869877
>>1869862

>>1869875
Now I have new motives to take care of my body.
Will I live to see surrogacy?
I would love to be implanted into a female body.

>>1869884
Probably.
http://www.futuretimeline.net/22ndcentury/2100-2149.htm#minduploading

>>1869883
I thought the burden of proof lies on EVERYONE?

Sounds to me like you're trying to get out of something you cannot disprove.

>>1869886
You can't offer me proof of the flying spaghetti monster not existing, that means it's real.

>>1869883
>THE BURDEN OF PROOF LIES ON RELIGION

It relies on EVERYONE you little twat.

I hate atheists who use this line to get out of arguments and I'm an atheist myself.

>>1869888
Acting like a child isn't going to help your case in a debate about God. You need to have something prepared or else nobody will listen to you. Making claims like you prove to me but I ain't gotta do no shit won't cut it.

>>1869895
>>1869889

I agree with you and I'm an atheist.

>>1869895
No. I am telling you right now, that I will not argue with you, for I know that you will not concede and keep believing even if I proved conclusively with a 50 book volume of facts and statistics disproving God's existence, so I will leave you with one simple remark;
Pics or gtfo

>>1869900
You have just been reported for the crime of being underage. This website is for users over the age of 18.

>>1869900
Why are you trying to avoid an debate?

Seems so unscientific.

>>1869902
I turned 19 on the 24th. Have fun spamming the report button.

What are the parameters of being immortal? Like common elven immortality? Being able to die but the body doesn't destroy itself so you dont die naturally? Or are we talking actual indestructability?

Tips to the newbies here, Inurdaes is our resident troll.

Just filter him out.

>>1869906
Because dozens of other users that go on /sci/ every day start shitposting either about religion or atheism and hurr durring all over the place over a 200+ reply thread spanning days and guess what, I can't be fucked with it.

>>1869913
Then why bother posting in a thread you don't have time for?

>>1869889
actually, no. not by scientific method standards at least:

1: you make a number of observations
2: you form a theory
3: you predict other observations
4: you experiment to confirm or deny said observations
5: depending on outcome you change the theory or reinforce it

religion is stuck on point 2. "burden of proof" here would mean that they should predict falsifiable data.

>>1869914
I would assume true immortality means being an unvanquishable god-like figure. And yes I know unvanquishable isn't a word.
>>1869916
See
>>1869730

>>1869919
Sounds like you're just avoiding an angry much like the religious do when it comes to scientific matters.

>>1869919
My face when you pulled something from your ass because you didn't want to talk about something you cannot disprove nor prove.

protip: nobody ITT is going to be potentially immortal unless his parents are rich and is gonna stay rich 'till the end of this century (which seems unlikely since he sends time in 4chan)

>>1869924
im avoiding "an angry"? i dont know what youre saying.

>>1869919
Does this mean God is something that cannot be proven nor disproven?

Well in the case of agelessness: "just engineer" chromosomes to have tremendously long telomeres.
Aslong as the telomeres dont run out (and god forbid mutations happen) your body will continue to regenerate itself.

>>1869927
Money is irrelevant and capitalism is fail.

>>1869926
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method#Elements_of_scientific_method

>>1869934
He thinks Wikipedia is a credible source.

>>1869927
Fortunately, you're wrong, because the free market doesn't actually work like that. There is unimaginable demand for a product such as this, and the sooner pharmaceutical companies make this affordable to most people in the public the faster they make the most money. It won't be that expensive to synthesize a drug to do the necessary shit to extend lifespans 100 years, the main hard part is knowing what to actually use.

And if they don't they'll have millions of very angry aging people showing up to their doorsteps with leaked facts of the actual cost for producing and distributing the drug. Unless it contains 20 pounds of gold it won't be rightfully expensive.
tl;dr the pharm companies earn more money with more people buying it

>>1869934
Cool fake source bro.

>>1869929
If he does not exist, he cannot be disproven until we know every piece of information in the universe. As he cannot be proven until you have 1 bit of data that would let you form a theory and a prediction that is falsifiable.
the probability of his existence can be estimated though.

in short, believe does not belong in the science realm. it can only lose.

>>1869937
>>1869935
Hummm I wonder what those small bracketed numbers are...
Maybe, just maybe, they're links to credible outside sources that the original author put in!

When it comes to God, this quote says it best...

"If you do it right, people will think you've done nothing at all."

God and science need to learn compromise.
More people are becoming Christian Scientists instead of just Christians.

>>1869942
You mean what you put in to cover your ass.

>>1869937
>>1869935
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v438/n7070/full/438900a.html

>>1869949
He uses the Internet for his research.

>>1869950
>>1869948
you did a good job beforehand with credible sceptic trolling. now, youre just trying too hard. be more creative. trolling is an intricate art.

>>1869945
thats actually a lie.
nice try though

>>1869774

I'll be dead before then

Sucks I was born before we could create some form of immortality. I'll never be able to explore the galaxy.

>>1869956
see
>>1869846

>>1869959

I
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You

>>1869962

1) It's very unlikely that there will still be humans on Earth and in the solar system by the time the Sun will extinct in my opinion. If they have reached the technology to become immortal I think they won't fear to travel to another star system.

2) Humans as we know them will not exist in a few million years, due to evolution, unless of course we find ways to prevent it, but the odds are low. I'm not smart enough to predict what will have taken over the world at this time, but I'm pretty sure it will be a different species from ours. The continuation of our race maybe. Maybe not, who knows ?

But if your question is to know what would happen to immortal humans stuck in space after Earth and Sun disappeared, away from every planet and star, then... They would be there, with no way to move, because swimming in space is impossible. So they would just stay here until an asteroid or another planet appears.

>>1869730
If immortality exists, what would be the point?

There is a physical limitation to how much you can remember.

So if you start forgetting the earlier parts of your life, isn't it like not having lived those earlier parts? Then immortality would not really feel that immortal.

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>>1869973
http://www.futuretimeline.net/21stcentury/2080-2089.htm#nonbio

>>1869932
>capitalism is fail.
maybe... what are the alternatives?

>>1869981
http://www.thevenusproject.com/
http://www.marshallbrain.com/manna5.htm

The point if the mixing of immortality and invincibility. Being immortal without being invincible seems useless.
If you are both, you can survive the destruction of Earth and Sun, alone in the space for millions of years.

>>1869983
I assume he asked for the good alternative.

>>1869986
Well yeah. Why replace capitalism with something inferior?

>>1869983
lol hippies!

I'll take militaristic authoritarian socialism as an alternative.

More badass more vodka.

>>1869992
But in Manna you could buy MEGALITRES of vodka with your 1000 credit allowance!

>>1869995
rieing reformist scum!

<shoots back of the head>

>>1869999
Hah you fool, my brain is actually in my ass!

>immortal

don't age, stay in physical peak. possibly live forever though unlikely.

>>1869983
I want to start a new country and call it 4channel.

>>1870032
How do I register for citizenship?

>>1870050
Be a registered sex offender (or have been registered in it at least once), especially towards people age 17 and below.

>>1870032
>>1870050
>>1870068

>>1870068
You're not affiliated with me.