/sci/ - Science & Math

Well crap, guess I should have posted something about relationships

What are you doing to cure stroke victims?

is free will compatible with the mechanistic theory of the mind?

how does magnet work

why do you fuckheads keep trying to use TMS to treat depression. The shit is inconclusive ffs, USE MAGNETIC STIMULATION TO GET THAT THROUGH YOUR SKULL

>>1853314
Why do you insist on keep breathing air day in and day out? It's useless!
source cited: none.

See, I can do it too.

>>1853298
I'll tell you a story of a stroke victim that we applied some rTMS to. He had a stroke several years prior and was desperate for a change. Obviously there isn't anything out there to help stroke victims out, so we said why the hell not, and tried some TMS.

Stimulated the contralateral motor cortex. Waited. No response.

Few days later, we stimulated the ipsilateral motor cortex. No immediate response but he called the next day asking wtf we did. Seems that we restored some function to his until-now nonresponsive appendages. Pretty interesting how the brain recovers from injury, redistributing function.

But yeah, its really a hit/miss with strokes and everything is still very much unknown. I guess the only response I'll give you is "I'm going into the dark room with a flashlight, wish me luck!"

>>1853317

here's your science for you:

Step 1, design a study with no placebo, and no accurate control group.

Step 2, get a bunch of broke, depressed volunteers, and tell them to sit with all this shit on their head and tell them you are treating their depression and they aren't going to be depressed anymore. These idiots are probably somewhat superstitious and/or spiritual, because they often seek 'alternative' treatment to medication and thus are easily susceptible to the power of suggestion.

Step 3, ask them subjective, qualitative questions in a questionnaire

Step 4, profit and waste grant money

>>1853339
Yeah, you're right, PET/MRI/EEGs are completely subjective nonscientific measures.
Is this /troll/ or /sci/?

>>1853326

I never said anything about rTMS with stroke victims, i'll definitely agree there may be some science there, although however amorphous.

You yourself must admit though, in your story there is no direct link between your therapy and his recovery of motor function, unfortunately.

>>1853349

Yes. PET has no baseline. If you knew anything about it you'd know that more often than not the cerebellum is used as a blank for voxels... this leads to many many problems.

Besides, MRI and PET are imaging techniques, used for analysis, not for a proposed treatment.

>>1853352
Right, because he was swallowing stem cells and taking new meds while undergoing neurosurgery daily when I administered rTMS. -.-
Once again, is this /troll/ or /sci/?
Introduce novel stimulant
All else stays the same
>no real connection between stimulant and results lolz

>>1853368
Yeah, exactly. They are imaging techniques. As is the EEG. You use them to monitor change during an rTMS tx period.
/troll/

>>1853369

you are a professional fisherman, draining grant money from pharmaceutical and post-mortem studies, which have shown countless times to yield useful results in the treatment and biological understanding of depression. While you grasp in the dark for findings based on hit or miss with only a handful subjects, we are taking in thousands of cases for genetics research into depression, putting a true face on the disorder. Even if your magnet machine does treat depression, it will be my research that inevitably proves it, and at that point it will be moot.

badump

>>1853262
Serious question: what is your typical workday like? Did you major in neuroscience and do pre-med and go on to medcshool? How much are you paid?

Highschoolfag here, not sure what I want to do. Either engineering or business. Or maybe this or something else entirely.

>>1853448
Oh, I'm sorry that you think that neuroscience is a joke. Also, although I never said I use this for research, I feel that you are dismissing arguments without giving any proper thought to them. How very christian of you.

/troll/ away, maybe someone else will agree with your baseless accusations.

>>1853369
lol should have learned this is geneal psyc/statistics/w/e in college correlation does not prove causation

So what's is a neuroscientist/electrophysiologist?
Are you a researcher?

>>1853486
Take away from it what you will. It was an anecdote of my experience with a stroke victim.
>>1853496
No, a clinician. Get referrals from addiction treatment centers in the vicinity as well as cases varying from schozphrenia to parkinson's, depression, anxiety...

>>1853523
yet another thing you should have learned in psych most people will take anecdotes over actual data, however the anecdote does not prove that it actually works

>>1853523

What is the range of cognitive deficits caused by schizophrenia you've observed?

I've been looking into this question, but I've failed to see any information in regards to severity.

>>1853523
You forgot that question: >>1853477
I guess you studied both physiology and cognitive psychology. Where do you work?
Is it a private office?

>>1853532
Ah, so nothing I have to relate is useful in any way. I understand. /troll/

>>1853544
not claiming that merely saying you claiming efficacy of a treatment on an anecdote contributes nothing unless you can back it up with hard data. This is the reason that drug companies do studies in the thousands not on one person

>>1853541
Psychiatry. Yeah, private clinic. Make a good amount. More patients would be nicer, but still working on a few things for that.

>>1853544

Quit responding to trolls, non-constructive criticism, and general spite. You're an adult scientist.

Pic related, you'd be a three.

>>1853564
I am bored, so I need something mind-numbing to pass the time. I'd rather respond to a troll then nothing at all. But you are right, it is getting a bit old.

>>1853559
So you went through med school if I understand well?
I'm currently in my second year of general biology and I don't know how I'll get in the field.

>>1853602
lol, OP is clearly a faggot in high school who read about tms and made this thread up. I've been trying to prove this the entire time.

>>1853609
Yes, clearly. Bravo.
>>1853602
Start doing some research now - get an internship with a neuro-related lab and specialize in neuro/psychiatry in med school. You never know if you will like doing something until you try. I know plenty of students who went into med school originally wanting to do psychiatry.. none of them did because they found a different specialty more interesting/enthralling.

>>1853535
>>1853535

OP, could you answer this?

I'm not sure as to whether or not you actually have any even subjective data upon this.

Damnit, OP! Quit jacking off to guro and answer my question!

>>1853535
I've found that usually cognitive defecits in schizophrenia are a result of heavy medication. That being said, it's common that you see thought interruption from what they will describe as 'voices' or 'figures' - which will easily lower the score on a neurocog test.

They have some problems with sensory gating as well. Digit span tests show this most clearly, as when you ask them to repeat back what one voice was saying when there is an interruption with another voice, they find difficulty in identifying relevant information.

That being said, there is plenty of research in attempting to find biomarkers in schizophrenia. In auditory evoked potentials, for example, SAD subgroups demonstrate a lower ability to gate out stimulus probes then SCPT subgroups. Just as a demonstration of variability within the disorder.

I think the schizophrenia diagnosis needs to be re-evaluated.

>6) A lion would rather eat grass all his life than be eaten by another lion (after he turned into a sheep).

What purpose does this premise have in the problem?
Does this mean that the lions aren't initially aware that they turn to sheep when they eat one?

>>1853693
>>1853693

Thank you, but based upon other research I've read, the deficits are associated with the shrinkage of certain areas of the brain. I believe it goes beyond just "voice interruption". You'd probably be interested in it, as you often treat schizophrenia?

Perhaps it isn't shrinkage, but there are abnormalities in brain structure that are probably directly associated with decreased cognition.