/sci/ - Science & Math

knowledge isn't appreciated these days

Education is underrated.

uni lectors and proffessors are off quite well, grades 1-12 (or however your educational system works) teachers get around minimum wage x 150%.

And thats not much.. at all.

Because they don't entertain their audiences with awesome things like Inception.

Because the retarded majority of mankind prefer to watch sweaty men throw, kick and catch balls and have a huge tackle orgy rather than receive a good education and watch debates.

>>1826532
Then they act surprised when they're blindsided by legislation that they don't agree with but never took the time to research.

Below the college level, teachers are paid by the state. And the public hates expensive government programs (unless it gives them money, like welfare or social security). Besides, there are always enough people who want to teach that the low wage doesn't keep them from doing it. Sad, but true. If you had a position that you knew would be filled, even if you payed a low wage, why would you pay any higher? It's just not fiscally rational.

>>1826540
I would be the CEO of a fortune 500 company for minimum wage. I'm sure a billion people would. Why aren't they paying their CEOs minimum wage?

>>1826521

Depends on what the professor teaches. Humanities profs make roughly the same as high school teachers, sans benefits. It's a bit of a raw deal, I've heard.

>>1826561
CEOs do a FUCKTON lot more work than teachers do.

Teachers at public school teach easy shit and get long ass vacations.

That's why their pay sucks, OP. That's why they are motivated enough to pick that job with low pay in the first place too.

>>1826567
Where did you hear that?

All university professors get benefits, and the ones I have heard of definitely make far more than high school teachers.

Also, I'm a PhD student in the humanities, so my sources are firsthand.

>>1826570
Eh, not really. Mostly what CEOs do is figurehead the board of directors and hire and fire people. I could do that easily.

You ever heard of the Peter Principle?

Might just be California, but teachers here are pretty well-paid and if they have tenure they can get away with fucking murder if they wanted to.

>>1826571
Really, just my own research and anecdotal conversations with people. What benefits do profs get? I've generally heard the package is better for public school teachers.

>>1826575
>Mostly what CEOs do is figurehead the board of directors and hire and fire people. I could do that easily.

no.

http://www.klick-game.gauss.livando.com/joke-21.html
bjk

>>1826504
Why are McDonalds workers so underpaid?

>>1826561

Because a person with the skill set of a CEO has so many career opportunities that are worth a lot. The high salary is meant to keep them from leaving the company. There aren't many people who can effectively lead giant companies, but there are a lot of people who can effectively teach (not teach well, but teach well enough).

>>1826583
They get full health and dental, not to mention tenure.

Are you fucking serious? Teachers are employees of the state and often don't even need a master's, and you think they make as much as someone with a PhD?

>>1826595

If this is equating teachers with McDonald's workers, you're a cunt.

Though many suck, good teachers are some of the most respectable people on the planet.

Because people keep becoming teachers despise the horrendous wages.
Seriously the only way to get the government to raise the wages is to boycott those motherfuckers

All you really need to be a teacher is the ability to put up with kids and teenagers then be motivated by summer, winter, fall, and spring break. Teachers have cushy jobs if you ask me, even if the pay sucks. But most teachers I know have a working spout that can support a quality lifestyle. Most teachers are women until the professor level anyway.

READING OFF THE TEACHER'S ANSWER BOOK

FOLLOWING THE DISTRICT LESSON PLAN

SURE IS A HARD JOB...

You need to qualify that statment.Here a secondary school teacher ( highschool) starts on 35000euro + or $47 785.5 U.S. and thats straight out of college.I personaly know a primary school teacher (early grade school I believe) who makes 2000 euro a week.Now she payes about 1000 euro in tax etc and has 30 years experiance but yea.You can really tell the value a nation puts in education by how much it payes its educators.

>>1826540
>And the public hates expensive government programs
The military seems well enough off.

>>1826591
>No.

ITT: aspies are mad because they lack the interpersonal skills it takes to teach effectively

>>1826609
>>1826613
Are you serious?

I don't think you give good teachers enough credit.

>>1826532
go tell that to /sp/

>>1826613

dealing with a class full of niggers is probably the hard part

>>1826615
Where are you?

What's the United States doing wrong in education that other countries are doing right?

>>1826620

The military's budget will likely never see many cuts because it's a major contributor to our economy, and anyone who requests any of its programs to be cut can easily be portrayed as "wanting to weaken our security."

>>1826624
You must not have attended an American school recently.

>>1826628
The united states doesn't value education.Now I totally agree that teachers should be well paid but I also feel the pay they get here is a bit ridiculous.

>>1826615
Oh wow, Europe sucks so fucking hard I can't even begin to tell you how much you suck.

>The median expected salary for a typical Teacher High School in the United States is $53,342. This basic market pricing report was prepared using our Certified Compensation Professionals' analysis of survey data collected from thousands of HR departments at employers of all sizes, industries and geographies.

And that's shit pay, kid. What kind of faggot are you? If you don't make at least 70k+ a annual out of university, just fuck off.

>>1826635
Kids still don't realize how many jobs the military sector holds. Stupid kids...

>>1826615
lolwut

That's a terrible pay. Are you from some poor shitty backwards Eastern European country?

>>1826639
>>The median expected salary for a typical Teacher High School in the United States is $53,342.
I had been lead to belive differently.Well then american teachers are very well paid and should shut the fuck up.

>>1826599
>Teachers are employees of the state and often don't even need a master's

All teachers need a 4 year degree in the US and Japan.
I know this, because I've taught in both countries. You get shit pay because it doesn't matter what 4 year degree you have, and there is no shortage of people ready to take your place.
Doing the bare minimum the job requires only entails reading from provided materials. You don't even need to know the subject matter, it's all provided and standardized.

Creativity is usually punished too, so any thoughts of "reaching these kids" should be abandoned. You will teach the state approved curriculum in the state approved manner or be fired and replaced.
Have tenure? We'll force you to resign by giving you the worst jobs on campus and forcing you to work ridiculous hours, and harrassing you constantly.

>>1826645
2000 euro a week is bad is it?

>>1826638
More like we want "nobody to get left behind". It's retarded how standards drop to appeal to the lowest scum, i.e. niggers who ruin the system. I'm just glad we have AP classes and ridiculously advanced magnet schools.

>>1826654
Yes it is.

And don't get me started on the taxes you Euroshits have to put up with.

>>1826647
MEDIAN
MEDIAN
MEDIAN

NOT AVERAGE

lern2statistics
Median takes a middle ground between the highest pay and lowest pay, regardless of how few people make the highest pay.

an average takes into account the sorry saps earning 30k a year (IE, the greater 35% of the education sector)

>>1826667
You sir are a retard.Thats 4 time average industrial wage which is itself more than twice minimum wage. What do you do to earn this 4k per week.I assume its 4k because if 2k is shit you must get AT LEAST twice that.Also what none-shitty non-eastern european nation you from?

>>1826504
Have you ever spent time with elementary/secondary education majors? They're morons.

My uni specialized in education, and so was basically a teacher factory. I used to think teachers should be paid more, but after 4 years there I totally disagree - they get exactly what they should.

Most teachers are fucking morons that are interested in teaching mostly because the idea of being an authority controlling a room full of people appeals to them. That and they feel want to push their moral/political/religious agendas ever so subtly, which is another form of control.

Truly good teachers are very rare; most are idiotic control freaks.

I'm only talking K-12 though - college professors are a different breed.

tl;dr teachers get exactly what they deserve because they're not actually educated

>mfw living expenses in Europe, taxes, shit pay per capita, and real estate.

Europe? More like niggerope.

>>1826675
Norway.

Angry much, faggot?

>>1826685
Job.You forgot to mention your job moron.Or is it taking a while to google jobs in norway that pay a suitible amount over 2k a week.

>>1826674
Calm down, butthurt.

>The average salary for a high school educator in the United States (excluding principal/dean) is $55,955 in 2010. This does not include bonuses or vacation. Please note pay scale varies by state.

>>1826697
I'm still a student, you fucking retard. You should see our average income but you're probably in that scam called the EU. Enjoy being poor.

>>1826704
Student of what?

Teachers get paid shit because most of them are shit. Professors or our parents make at least 85k+ annually. Well actually professors on average make 110k+ a year.

Just finish college and don't become a teacher. Who cares how much they're paid?

>>1826717
University, you moron. I go to Bergen.

>>1826722
Jesus Christ you mad.

even police officers get paid more and this is one easy job to get into

>>1826725
Yeah, I'm mad. Talking to a poor idiot like you would cause anyone to be angry with themselves for even speaking to such a poor and uneducated moron. You cannot begin to fathom my anger for you.

>>1826722
What subject.Not English I hope.
By the way some things might disagree with your assertion about pay in norway.

>>1826728
I didn't call you mad that was somebody else. I'm>>1826732

Teachers get paid by the state so it's a shitty salary like 50,000 dollars a year. They should have gotten a REAL job but nope, had to go the easy route. Teachers have crazy ridiculous benefits, unions, and a strike can get them pretty much anything. Fuck them.

>>1826728
Wow look at all the bars over 70k.

>>1826739
Another to disprove your asertion

>>1826732
>>1826739
>>1826741
>derpherpherp

Oh wow, you're absolutely retarded alright.

>>1826741
>>1826739
>>1826732
Whole lot of silence now.In face you have to get into the stock exchange to make the 2k weekly you said was laughable.Maybe your a bit of a troll?

teachers are fucking ridiculously overpaid. moreover, they do not have to contribute to the ponzi scheme known as social security, and instead contribute to a system tax payers support.

9 months on means 3 fucking MONTHS of vacation, plus every damn holiday in the calendar, plus working only a few hours a day, PLUS having an aide do the heavy lifting.

public teachers make 6 figure salaries. underpaid my fucking arse.

>>1826752
An excellent comeback.Also one lacking the answer to what subject you are doing in university which would of coarse allow sombody to look up your expected earnings,maybe because unless your family owns a large business which will wmploy you at hugely infated salary is not going to be anywhere near what you claim.

>>1826758
6 figure salaries? maybe if you're an administrator, but no way in hell a school teacher's pulling $100,000+

>>1826758
>arse

Britshit or whatever irrelevant faggotwealth country you're from, nobody is talking about you.

Fuck off in a timely manner.

>>1826763
You obviously never heard of per capita. Seriously, your country is shit so you need to get over it posting pathetic charts in a pathetic attempt to attack my country. Facts are facts but they don't change the fact you're a poor little worm with nothing.

>>1826766
hahaha trolled you fucker. i have no idea what british schools are like, i threw in arse to catch an idiot

success!

and yes, making $75,000 for 9 months and then working the other 3 months (at time and a fucking half) puts you over the $100,000 mark. with full fucking benes

and, might i add, education majors are the STUPIDEST fucking people on campus

>>1826768
>huurrrddurrr I waz just pretending guise lol itrollyouxd!1!!

What a sad attempt to save face for your failure.

>>1826768
iwasjustpretendingjokesonyou.jpeg

There's the real retard, Norwayfag.

>>1826679

I hate to say it, but as a guy who doesn't even want children, I have already decided that I will home school my kids. Taking a History of Math course right now, which is required of students in both the Mathematics and Secondary Education in Mathematics programs. Since there are only a few of us math majors (maybe 30 total), most of the class is the secondary ed.

Hearing them during student discussion, when they do nothing but read from the book (some of them literally reading from the book, verbatim, while staring at it), and watching one yesterday struggling with the pronunciation of "treatise" (finally deciding it's pronounced "treet-ice"), I fear for the next generation.

>>1826768

>>1826770
>>1826770
Per capita means nothing fuck face 100 People on 1 doller and one on 1000000 dollers gives you a percapita of 9901..Percapita means nothing I now KNOW you are a troll fuck off and die in your troll hole.You dont know where I am from and don't know our per capita isn't bigger and you STILL haven't said what you do in university.

>>1826779
>home school

Just put them into a private school, you stupid faggot.

Home schooled kids grow up to be fucking messed up. They need human contact with the other kids and to want things like pokemon cards or that sweet new vidya gaems. You may give them an education but you'll take away their childhood. But who am I to tell you how to raise your kids? Enjoy your naiveducation.

>>1826782
Exactly, you haven't said a damn thing. Thanks for proving my point that you are nothing but a worthless worm.

>>1826800
I am the only one talking your just saying 'your wrong, your wrong' with nothing to back up your case.You also can't read English very well.Are you putting all this through an online language translater?Well I have proven you wrong and you have not proven anything and as such I am leaving undefeated.