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How do solar sails work if photons have no mass?

>> No.1797097

they have momentum, which I dont understand

of course theres also cosmic rays, which are just charged particles, and they have mass, theyll push solar sails too. I dunno which would be the dominant force, Id guess cosmic rays as opposed to photons

>> No.1797096
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1797096

fucking momentum, how does it work

>> No.1797099

They do have a mass equivalent in energy.

>> No.1797109

>>1797097 cosmic rays as opposed to photons
you better be joking

>> No.1797113

>>1797097

I see your derp, and I raise you one herp.

>> No.1797133

>>1797109
>>1797113

TrollolololoLooooolL

>> No.1797162

>>1797109
josef, am i right in thinking cosmic rays would rip right through that shit?

>> No.1797170

>>1797162
"Cosmic rays" isn't some properly defined word, it's more like saying "stuff flying around", and most of that stuff is photons in space.

>> No.1797188

>>1797170
actually, it's mostly protons, tripfag.

>> No.1797191

>>1797188
Compelling argument. Let me think about it.


BRB
4 hours or so, have to jump around

>> No.1797212

Solar sail mainly uses solar wind or charged particles and radiation pressure from the sun.

>> No.1797335

>>1797188
solar wind =/= cosmic rays.

you be forgetting about self induced cosmic rays.
(See nertian confinement drive designs)

i wonder if nuetrinos can cause that much damage too.

>>1797188

josef be the only respectable tripfag i know

>> No.1797350

>>1797335
> josef be the only respectable tripfag i know
Well he's the best tripfag but that's sort of damning with faint praise. I admire his dedication but he's an admitted thief and Windows user.

Still, unquestionably the best tripfag.

>> No.1797366

>>1797350
i feels shameses.

just got new pc, have yet to convert of shitty windows 7 to a linux dis. :'(

>> No.1797377

>>1797350
Josef is shit tier tripfag.

>> No.1797379

>>1797366
It happens. You use windows, I like traps. We all have our faults.

>> No.1797384

>>1797335
Cosmic rays are 89% protons. There is no such thing as self-induced cosmic rays. Josef is not respectable.

>> No.1797401

>>1797335

what about me? :D

>> No.1797409

>>1797401
you are just dolan in disguise

>> No.1797414

>>1797401
you're kind of retarded

>> No.1797418

>>1797409

>implying i know who the fuck that is

captcha: wompie 227

o.o

>> No.1797425

>>1797414

how so, -_-

protip: i know moar than you :D

captcha: Rubenesque sionsura

>> No.1797440

>>1797425
Well, for one thing, why would you think we would care about your captchas?

>> No.1797459

the de broglie equation means that waves have energy therefore have mass and massive particles have wavelength urruddrurrr

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1797461

>>1797425

Please, please get the fuck out of /sci/.

>> No.1797465

>>1797459
no, fag. not all energy is mass.

>> No.1797496

>>1797335
>i wonder if nuetrinos can cause that much damage too.
lol there are billions travelling through earth every second without any interaction at all.

>> No.1797509

>>1797084
photons has momentum

\thread

>> No.1797649

>>1797461

fuck off. :3

captcha (very important): Affair floppers

>> No.1797677

>>1797649
definately dolan

>> No.1798109
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1798109

>>1797084
photons have momentum

so does the solar wind, but the force available from solar radiation pressure is magnitudes greater

book related

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>>1798109
Also, kudos to Japan for being the first to successfully launch a working solar sail, IKAROS. It has been fully tested out and is accelerating towards Venus.

>> No.1798135

>>1798109

solar winds are not radiation, they are streams of charged particles.

these streams do indeed EMIT radiation, but "solar winds" describes fluxes of high velocity MASSIVE PARTICLES.


"radiation pressure" is a term that describes a phenomena that is caused by BOSONS (photons with no mass)


thus one does not usually talk about the "radiation pressure" created by solar winds.