/sci/ - Science & Math

not that type of extraterrestrials

Given the size of the universe it's unlikely we are the only planet with life, but suggesting we're being visited, probed, manipulated, and all that other /x/nonsense is bullshit because there is no evidence to support it.

there is way way way too much empty space between us and anything interesting in space.

Unless the aliens have unthinkably long life spans and really don't mind floating around in nothing for thousands of years, I really doubt they've visited us.

is the movie 8th kind or some shit for realz?
i mean is does have evidence... not a troll

>>1781191
Maybe there is life in other places of the universe. I'm sure there is, because the universe is gigantic, but probably that life is microscopic or at least not inteligent like us. And if there is inteligent life like us or even more advanced than us, I don't even think they are aware of our existence.

Insufficient data for a meaningful answer.

i would take it that most of us on /sci/ do believe in extra terrestrial life. Of course nothing like we typically imagine. Extra terrestrial life would not only have to evolve under different conditions, but also under a completely different chain of events. So, don't expect aliens to look like humanoid (like in OP's pic). Your shouldn't even expect them to have traits or anything characteristics like we have on other animals of earth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5D3JqglAPVs
just study the available information with a clear and open mind
project camelot would mean a lot more to you if you had grown up knowing people who were behind teh veil
im just sayin'...

i believe in dagon, hydra, and cthulhu.
they're sorta aliens

Considering the literally ZILLIONS of planets out there, its stastically impossible for their not to be another earth, maybe even one old enough that their intelligent life can travel freely in space.

ATTENTION THREAD:

see "Fermi Paradox"

bacteria, yes

intelligent
Well since it hasn't used nuclear pulse propulsion to spread to all the stellar systems of our galaxy, no.

Yes, OP. Ufology is full of genuine wackos, and it just attracts more wackos, but if you look hard enough you'll see that the actual credible evidence is overwhelming.

vid related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vyVe-6YdUk
(the first and last people in the video are wackos, but the middle two hours is legit)

>>1781191
In the sense that we're just 1 planet, 1 solar system, out of trillions? Yes. In the sense we're visited by aliens?, Possibly, but would they even register us as valuable, or intelligent? FUCK NO!. They would be more likely to study whales then us. Damn sure they'd NEVER make contact with us. Sorry, any aliens visiting us, is for the sake of a zoo attraction. Not to help us.

>>1781702
Also, check out the episodes of Destination Truth where they look for places supposedly frequented by aliens. Most of their investigations turn up absolutely nothing interesting, but they dug up a fucking alien corpse in Peru, I think it was.

>>1781702
I agree, there is plenty credible evidence within the mass of wackos. Still its disheartening how this has turned the subject all together into a farce, a joke to most people on the surface level, but underneath I know most people believe in them somewhat.

>>1781709
Is Destination Truth credible at all?

>>1781714
Yep. Most people are not going to believe in something that will get them laughed at by most other people.

>>1781718
I think it is. Especially since if they were staging or faking anything, most of their episodes would have something interesting happen in them -- which they don't.

I believe that they exist somewhere, but the stuff we see is just military aircraft or some earth based race that lives underwater.

>>1781721
Most people anyway. Some have the courage to just say what they believe. Then actually seek the truth even if it hurts them.

>>1781709
It might have just been some poor fuck who suffered from some sort deformity. Shit happens often enough these days, why not in the past?

>>1781736
In the trenches maybe? If we haven't discovered their existence already, they must be a few miles underground or live in the unaccounted for depths of the ocean. Seems unlikely.

>>1781743
Agreed. Also, advanced civ leaving evidence behind? pft. I have a mad personality my self, I know I would indiscriminately manipulate and experiment on mankind if I could. Then keep it under wraps. All for the sake of curiosity.

>>1781751
You couldn't even name all the civilizations we do know about, let alone some civilization that would probably try to stay hidden. Point being that we could know about them, just you and the public in general wouldn't know.

>>1781703
I like how your an expert on what aliens would be like and what their behaviour would be, based off of..... what exactly?

>>1781933
Something called imagination and prediction, a trait humans are proud of. Try it sometimes. You just might surprise yourself.

>>1781792
Eh I still doubt it with how much surveillance we have on earth now.

>UFOs

UFO stands for UNIDENTIFIED Flying Object. If you know it's an alien space ship or flying saucer, then IT ISN'T UNIDENTIFIED ANYMORE YOU CUNT

>>1781958
You seem to have forgotten words change meaning with use.

>>1781191
Aliens probably exist. The universe is vast enough, galaxies numerous enough, stars plentiful enough, planets variant enough, and time long enough that it should have happened somewhere other than here. However if you compare our technology today to our technology 1000 years ago, then think about where we might be in another 1000, it shouldn't come as any surprise that aliens differing in development by maybe 100,000 years either way would be undetectable or incomprehensible to us even if they didn't burn out already by then.
A planet with life is but an interesting form of fire, and it goes out just the same.

>>1781963

IT'S A SPECIFIC ACRONYM YOU IGNORANT CUNT

>>1781969
So was SCUBA.

>>1781743
What they dug up was the size of a large chicken -- it was clothed in apparently burlap. it's chest looked like a chicken, but it had articulated hands and feet. It's head had been removed. It was rotting and smelled. They also showed photos to a biologist, who was stumped. Unless it's a flat-out hoax, I don't know what it could be but alien. Unfortunately, they were not allowed to bring it back, but had to turn it over to the government of peru, or whatever it was. The should have taken a DNA sample, but I guess they didn't anticipate it being taken away at customs.

>>1781970
SCUBA isn't used incorrectly, though. It still means the same thing.

>>1781969
A steam of rage and ignorance from this one, acronyms change too.

>>1781986
>acronyms change

lolwut

>>1781966
I tend to agree mostly, but other civilizations are probably keeping on the low key if Stephen hawking the genius vegetable is to be trusted and we're all out to get each other. I doubt any of them would burn out once they got a few solar systems of control. Simply be immortal as a species. So while we may have the desire for contact, it may be entirely different for others. Hell knows our cultures would clash.

>>1781220

Most likely any encounter with alien civilizations will not be with living entities per se but rather with robots or something similar.

>>1781992
Most people would say Microwave LASER and not MASER

>>1782067
Both are technically correct and have not been altered.
That's rather the point of an acronym in the first place: to shorten a specific complex term. Changing them would be nonsensical.

>>1781191
man it's impossible to get anything across to /x/ nowadays, i'm completely convinced that their collective IQ does not exceed the room temp. but yes, I do believe these beings exist, and I also believe we have been visited and are being visited. pic related, it's what i've been observing nightly for the past month weather permitting

>>1782085
far out. your picture? where you live?

>>1782085
They're all flares man, flares that move in different directions, fly faster then jets and dissipate out of sight instantly, make formations, even in 1 case making a sonic boom sound. Yep sounds like flares to me. Wish I could find where to buy them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlLN_Jcg1pc

>>1782097
sarcasm? no, I wish. it's from a youtube video, you can see the small blue light in the middle pulsating and undulating in the video. I can find if you wish. i'm currently in central mexico in the mountains

>>1782097
http://www.latest-ufo-sightings.net/ Go here if you wanna see sightings that happen all the time. Just ignore the propaganda crap. I live in Arizona phoenix, I saw the last mass sighting here. Was unreal feeling. It had to been a ship in my opinion, it blocked out the stars.

>>1782101
If you observe them nightly, why aren't you taking some pictures?

>>1782100
You got trolled watching that video, its nothing but fake stuff. Youtube is a massive troll congregation.

>>1782116
Why fucking bother, nobody cares.

>>1782109
Is there any nuclear plant around the siting(s)? It seems like most the sitings I hear about are around either a nuclear plant, nuclear powered ship, or nuclear weapon.

>>1782116
no such luck man i've been shitting myself at my lack of a video camera. one made a damn low pass the other day and of course I had nothing. so i'm out of luck in that department. but here take my anecdotal evidence for absolute truth eh?

>>1782131
I assume that if these things are aliens, they wouldn't care for us destroying their entertainment platform called earth.

>>1781191

Sci neither believes nor disbelieves, we simply do not have enough data on the subject. It is known to be a possibility because we are here.

>>1782150
That is better then just laughing off the whole subject all together.

>>1782175
I think most of sci laughs off and ridicules the subject. Surprising lack of contempt ITT.

bump

>>1782179
I would normally laugh at it, but knowing my own experiences in the matter, I should be more empathetic on the issue and more mature. I think it would be great if we made contact with a race that could help us develop socially more. I have my doubts any species would get off their lazy asses and play the benevolent role tho.

I think the universe is too big to be just for us. I mean, you've seen Sagan's "Pale blue dot" right?

There are millions of galaxies with millions of dots in them. The universe is staggeringly large and it is the height of arrogance to assume that we are the only living things in it.

>>1782194
That was just a image of a arm of our galaxy. Which just even more makes the vastness of the universe more apparent.

>alien thread
>my favourite topic
>too lazy to read anything
>my face

Aliens exist but we're never going to meet them thanks to the fact that space is fucking huge.

>>1782212
Not true if in a few hundred years we develop the tech to warp space, similar for other aliens that could possibly visit us using the same idea.

>>1782217
Even assuming we could warp space so precisely as to allow accurate travel from one spot to another, do you really think any living organism could survive the trip?

>>1782221
We don't know. Nobody knows. Everything is speculation at this point.

>>1782221
As long as we warped it around us, we wouldn't actually physically be moving very fast. Just space would be moving. So yes, we would survive very healthy and without any g-force.

>>1782185
Obviously, people who think the aliens are going to show us the way to peace and love and if we pass the tests let us join the intergalactic federation are full-blown nutters. If they are here, they are most likely biologists or anthropologists, and are interested in nothing but gathering some knowledge.

They haven't arrived yet but I think it's possible, even probable, that they're out there.

All the previous 'sightings' though? Bullshit and weather balloons.

>>1782232
Sadly this is probably true, as repeated many times in this thread. I can hope tho.

>>1782234
Flares my friend, the story is flares now. =)

>>1782228
I was more concerned with the fact that in order to warp space you would probably have to generate one hell of a gravitational field such that you essentially create an artificial black hole. I don't see humans, much less matter, surviving the trip through the warp.

>>1782245
Theoretically it is possible but no, nobody knows for certain how to do it yet. I just hope we don't burn ourselves out before we can do it.

>>1782234

We have within our grasp the ability to colonies the stars. First we develop the moon and main asteroid belt, then magnetically launch ships to the outer edges of the Oort cloud and develop that. We construct a linear accelerator ~1.5 au long and seed the galaxy using multi generational colony ships. If we put our minds to it we could have ships on there way in less than a hundred years.

>>1782260
Where's my terraformed Mars
YOU SAID THERE'D BE MARS TERRAFORMATION FARNSWORTH

>>1782260
I think we can't depend on governments to do this, corporations maybe that can gain a profit from it.

>>1782260
~1.5 au long.

That's going to be an incredibly massive piece of hardware.

>>1782277
>governments won't do it
>CORPORATIONS WILL

>>1782283
That's what she said

>>1782283
MFW imaging postmen doing their job.

>>1782260
100 years! Good luck selling that project to anyone.
In 100 years, we'll have technology that would make that whole idea completely unnecessary.

Look at the difference in technology between 1910 and 2010, then apply that to 2110, and take into account the exponential curve of Moore's Law. Whether you believe in "the singularity" or not, starting a 100 year project with today's technology just doesn't make any sense.

>>1782309
The singularity ignores the 3rd dimension. I do agree, that it'll be a wacky idea later on.

>>1782277
Corporations can certanly gain a profit in the early stages, ie mining rare earth metals from the moon and shooting them back to earth. But the build in the oort cloud and to develop multi generational colony ships we will need to form a hegemony hopefully as humanity advances and becomes better educated it will be ready to build upon the foundation mining corporations have built for it.


>>1782270
Go back to newmars... mars colonization might be worthwhile mainly as a test bed for what colony ships will need to bring with them and what techniques they should employ to make planets more habitable.

The linear accelerator would be built to send colony ships ~ 2% C but it could send reconnaissance probes and dead cargo at much faster speeds. Perhaps by the time the colony arrives a planet seeded with life and well on its way to be teraformed can be waiting for them.

Sure is extraordinary evidence in this thread.

Yes. Just not those.

>>1782283
its built from recourse available in the oort cloud by highly automated manufacturing processes. Temperatures will be low enough that superconductors will need no cooling. It needs to be that long to accelerate fragile humans to a useful speed.

>>1782328
They would still need cooling. However less.

>>1782328
I'm not sure you understand how heat conduction works to combat buildup in space (it doesn't).

>>1782336
This place is so cold that methane is a solid. If you really think its required you could install a sun shield to allow even lower temperatures on the accelerator.

>>1782343
superconductor = 0 resestance = no heat build up

Also heat will both radiate to the structure and away from it. If you use a sun shield you will only have the heat from the stars heating you up. I don't think you understand how little solar energy is out there.

>>1782348
Isolated it will still build up heat. That is another subject tho, not one I am entirely sure about. I think terra-forming mars is way too ahead of us to concern about right now, much less our moon. We would have a better chance at doing so to a body with substantial atmosphere like Titan, at least liquid to derive the atmosphere, there are a ton of icey moons in the solar system we could experiment on.

>>1782348
>>1782363

Heat doesn't conduct away into space for shit. It all has to be slowly radiated as IR. Meanwhile heat across a connected structure will preferentially equalize. Any powered structure (superconductors still need to be connected to the rest of the machine and are not themselves perfect) will need to be actively cooled or it will run at a temperature far higher than background.

When someone gets an alien study through the peer review process and into Nature or Science, then I might. Until then, no.

Yes and no. The chances that life does not exist is incredibly slim simply due to the number of star systems simply in our own galaxy, this is of course summarized by the Drake Equation (http://www.activemind.com/Mysterious/Topics/SETI/drake_equation.html for those unfamiliar). Now from the other side the chance that life formed on our planet were infinitesimally small, so why should similar circumstances happen on other planets? Then again we are of course assuming that any life we find will be someone close to us. For all we know other life forms could be made of plasma.

It's completely unknown. We don't even know how life started on earth so it's pretty impossible to speculate on how life may or may not have started on another planet.

>>1782100

I have feeling this guys insane.

>>1782382
That would ONLY happen if somebody brought home an alien, interviewed it on tv, and even after that, STILL they'd need DNA or some form of genetic code to prove it. THEN wait a few years, till people really believe and can absorb it. Then maybe you'll get your wish. Till then, we got people believing in deities of all sorts, with no proof whatsoever. Ironic huh?

>>1782394
I think hes just trolling. If he is insane, I feel sorry for him.

>>1782397

We've got all kinds of crazies on this planet, but that's another topic.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
Anecdotes and media of questionable origin are not appropriate evidence.
Evidence must be conclusive and publicly verifiable or it is worthless.
Nobody said science was easy.

>>1782388
Poor poor plasmids, they will never leave a star to explore the universe.

>>1782381
Dense in the oort cloud run ~4-10°k this is because there is such low levels of radiant energy getting out there. That is more than cool enough to not need active cooling devices. Even if for some retarded reason you thought that was too hot you can always install sun shields and / or cryo coolers and radiators to lower the temperature more.

>>1782381
Dense matter in the oort cloud run ~4-10°k this is because there is such low levels of radiant energy getting out there. That is more than cool enough to not need active cooling devices. Even if for some retarded reason you thought that was too hot you can always install sun shields and / or cryo coolers and radiators to lower the temperature more.

>>1782424
>>1782429
>That is more than cool enough to not need active cooling devices

The problem is not the ambient temperature. The problem is that you are in a vacuum and you cannot get rid of your waste heat. And yes, a system involving superconductors still produces waste heat which you then need to keep away from the conductors.

I know a lot of /sci/ is averse to the Singularity, but it does provide a very convenient answer to the Fermi Paradox. Any civilization that develops technology would have to quickly do one of two things:
1) Destroy themselves with their technology, or
2) Reach a Singularity

In either case, they would not colonize the universe. They would almost certainly not bother making contact with us.

I find the fact that we aren't constantly communicating with ET a great piece of evidence that the Singularity is real.

>>1782408
>Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
This is bad science, bad epistemology, bad logic, and all around bad thinking.

Evidentiary standards should be always the same. whether the results seem surprising or extraordinary to you, or whether they are exactly what you were expecting. Your inability to to fathom something does not mean you are justified in requiring more extraordinary evidence before believing it.

>>1782408
This, a thousand times.

>>1782454
>calls the defining characteristics of science bad science
>spouts pseudoscience

Well, that's that. G'night folks.

Singularity? What?

>>1782462
>calls the defining characteristics of science bad science
>implying confirmation bias is the defining characteristic of science.

>>1782445
>aren't constantly communicating
yea so I guess all these damn visits aren't some form of involvement?

>>1782464
http://google

>>1782471
>strong evidence required to establish poorly supported claim
>confirmation bias

Jesus fuck I lol'd

>>1782480
You're a serious fucking retard. You don't get to decide which things require "extraordinary evidence" based on your personal bias. That's not how science fucking works, you high school twat.

>>1782476
I just did.

Boy is that a stupid idea.

Why? The idea seems to be trying to predict what more intelligent life forms would want to do - and at the same time, saying that that can't be done.

Want to know why I think extraterrestrials haven't contacted us? They probably don't know we're here. After all, even if the odds of civilizations are high, there's still the fact that all the solar systems are at different ages in their lifespan, and the overwhelming fact that the universe is just a fucking humongous place. We've only been "listening" for what, 100 fucking years? If we don't hear anything in 100,000 years - then we can fucking worry about being alone.

Plus I think a being that wants to become smarter and smarter and smarter is also a suicidal being. Self preservation doesn't exactly imply intelligence. There's a certain bliss to be had by simply being "average".

>>1782408
>>1782480

The punchline is that everything requires extraordinary evidence. Even for gravity, we still haven't stopped collecting evidence and furthering our understanding of it.

>>1782487

You in particular though, enjoy being mad over a colloquialism.

>>1782487
>evidence needed because of personal bias
>high school

What I'm getting from this is that you're an angsty high school student who wants to play out the events of Star Trek.

>>1782498
>implying knowledge causes depression
fuck really man?

>>1782499
It's a colloquialism that leads to bad thinking and justification of biases that let people conclude what they want to conclude despite the evidence. So it's a bad colloquialism. Sagan, who popularized, was at least trying to use it in a good way. He used it talking about aliens, which he WANTED to believe in. He used it as a way to counter his bias. That particular claim FOR HIM needed more extraordinary evidence than he was naturally inclined to accept, because his desire for it to be true naturally lowered his evidence threshold. But generalizing it to any "extraordinary claims" leads to a serious abuse in what the goal was supposed to be, which is objectivity.

tl;dr -- it's a bad colloquialism, and people should feel bad for using it.

>>1782498
Very well put on intelligence. My girlfriend often reminds me of this. However I seem to be racing toward my own mental demise learning more and more. lol Tho I do imagine it is possible to be effectively intelligent.

>>1782498
> Boy is that a stupid idea.
> The idea seems to be trying to predict what more intelligent life forms would want to do

I don't know what you googled, but it apparently had nothing to do with "the Singularity."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technological_singularity

>>1782522

Cry some more.

If you want to substantiate a claim, you're going to need good evidence because giving people lip for not believing you isn't going to cut it. If you cannot provide verifiable evidence, go look for it and come back when you can. Otherwise you are wasting other people's time.

>>1782531
Everything needs good evidence. You don't get to arbitrarily decide that some things require "extraordinary" evidence. Not if you want to do science, anyway.

It's pretty much a statistical certainty that aliens do exist. In fact I'd go so far as to say that if aliens don't exist and we're the only life in the entire universe, there probably IS a god and those silly christians were miraculously right all along.

Whether or not any aliens have ever visited us is another story. I could understand them taking an interest in any planet with life on it, but there's gotta be tons of planets closer and with much more promising species than one that elected Bush twice and continues to fight over useless tracts of land in the Savant. It always gives me a good temporary nerdgasm to think about extraterrestrial contact being silenced by the government, but that tends to only last a few minutes until I come back to my senses and realize how retarded it is to believe that the government could do shit to hide anything advanced enough to reach us.

>>1782530
No, that was what I googled.

I think there may be intelligent life out in the universe, I think there probably (almost likely) is life in the universe somewhere outside of our planet. but as there has been no evidence so far there is no point argueing if there is/is not, unless someone comes up with a legitamite reason why there cannot be life outside of our planet i will continue thinking that there is probably life out there and there might be intelligent life out there

>>1781191
I thought george lucas did something on the history channel about aliens building the pyramids.

>>1782570
Then you just didn't understand it. "The Singularity" is a point at which a civilization's technological advance reaches a rate where it can't even be understood by "pre-singularity" thought. That civilization has unlocked all the mysteries of science. Cures for everything -- including even aging and death -- and technology capable of anything. A race of immortals with the power to do absolutely anything.

Now, if you accept that this is a real possibility, then you have to consider the time scale. We've only had the ability to send signals out into space for a hundred years or so, and the Singularity is supposedly looming about 30 years in the future. So, to be conservative, ballpark the time between when a civilization starts broadcasting into space and the time at which it reaches a technological singularity at 200 years. Two centuries, on the cosmic time scale is ridiculously short. So, the odds of us making contact with some civilization in that 200 year window, out of the billions of years the universe has been around, is zero for all practical purposes.

Hence, the Singularity theory at least gives us a decent guess as to why we're not currently communicating with alien races.

>>1782675
Or how about radio waves are fucking inefficient and quantum entanglement is the only logical way to communicate over interstellar distances. And we discovered that in oh, about the same time.

Derp. :P

>>1782675
>Then you just didn't understand it. "The Singularity" is a point at which a civilization's technological advance reaches a rate where it can't even be understood by "pre-singularity" thought. That civilization has unlocked all the mysteries of science. Cures for everything -- including even aging and death -- and technology capable of anything. A race of immortals with the power to do absolutely anything.
But that's silly.

>>1782731
But we know that information can't be sent through quantum entanglement. You can use quantum entanglement over a regular, light speed, communication channel, which is what they refer to as "quantum teleportation", but you can't send information with the entanglement itself.

>>1782738
My thoughts exactly. It's like they're trying to comprehend something, their brain breaks, and they've ended up with a wrong answer.

>>1782743
haha

They have possibly visited us - I'm not sure what to believe.
Imagine if those aliens wanted to visit us and not make any direct contact - all the alien ship sights would be ridiculed.
There are probably only a few hundreeds of planets which have developed intelligence, so this sounds quite rational.

>>1782738
>>1782745
Well, if you had tried to explain the world wide web to someone in 1950, they would have called you "silly." At least they have an excuse -- you're just uninformed. This isn't a new idea, and a lot of really, really smart people believe it. You should read up a little before you dismiss it. Or at least catch a few videos by Kurzweil, Vinge, or others. Even Bill Gates has come out in support of the Singularity. But I'm sure that these incredibly successful, intelligent people will be disappointed to know that some random hick on 4chan thinks they're silly.

OP:

>Science
>Believes

And there's your problem. Science is agnostic on extraterrestrials. It doesn't have enough data yet to verify its probability - we only have one viable sample of a world in the liquid water "green" zone, so to speak, and lack the instruments to determine how rare or common this is, or whether planetary formation usually prevents this from forming.

I'll tell ya, though. This galaxy alone has countless billions of stars. And there are countless billions of galaxies. If we truly are alone, I'd be inclined to blame an exceptionally lazy deity. And an exceptionally cruel one. All this goddamn space, and you don't give us causality-compliant FTL?! Motherfucker!

>>1782752
Alot of really really smart people argue against it, too.

>>1782752
Alot of really smart people also predicted Y2K.

Nothing happened.

>>1782762
Yep. But that's quite different from just being ignorant of it. The idiot in this thread is all over the idea of aliens visiting us, but somehow the Singularity is a crazy idea.

>>1782765
Actually, more than "nothing" happened. There were a lot of bugs that were found and fixed *before* Y2K. So, it's a good thing the people out there predicting things are smarter than the participants in this thread.

>>1782762

We know that the functions and pathways of neurons can be accurately simulated via transistors. The recent development of memristors only solidifies this. The only missing piece of the puzzle is a formal theory of sentience - and, quite frankly, the neurologists are getting better and better at identifying its various facets.

There /is/ a potential roadbump - is consciousness directly simulated, or emergent? But even then, that merely raises the question of whether or not you can properly simulate an emergent property without having to burn through an office building's worth of energy.

And once you do, can it be sped up? Upgraded? Improved?

But it basically boils down to "well, we'll have to see if the research pulls through. ...but the experts tend to bet /this/ way..."

>>1782765

As Charles Stross noted, the only reason nothing happened on Y2K was because teams of programmers around the world pulled a hell of a lot of overtime, and did their goddamn job.

I believe in extraterrestrial life.

I do not believe that we will ever run in to them.

>>1782776
It's curious that after *paying* for all that overtime, most businesses still make shitty software and don't allow their teams to take the time to polish code.

>>1782786
2012

BUT shhhhhhhhhhhhhh

ITS A SUPRISE

I find it interesting how we apply our ideas to extraterrestrials; like destroying themselves or reaching high levels of technology.

Little green men? No, not really. It's almost certain that there's life out there somewhere, though, given the sheer size of the universe. There's no reason to think that Earth is a truly unique planet.

Of course, that doesn't mean that the creatures on such a planet would evolve in any way similar to humans, and could have radically different, even frightening, physiology and (in the case of intelligent life) psychology.

>>1781191
>again

>implying that they ever take a break from acting like faggots

chances are high that we're at war with this unknown something the moment it shows up

>>1782833 27 people liked this reply.

Hynek scale of alien interaction:

First Kind – these are close (less than 500 feet) human encounters with aerial objects displaying attributes not thought possible by human technology.
Second Kind – Include those encounters where some physical evidence is left behind such as burned ground, heat or radiation, disturbance of animals, interruption of radio or mechanical equipment, etc.
Third Kind – An observation of what Hynek termed “animate beings” observed in association with a UFO sighting. Hynek deliberately chose the somewhat vague term “animate beings” to describe beings associated with UFOs without making any unfounded assumptions regarding the beings’ origins or nature. Hynek did not necessarily regard these beings as “extraterrestrials” or “aliens.” Additionally, Hynek further expressed discomfort with such reports, but felt a scientific obligation to include them, at the very least because they represented a sizable minority of claimed UFO encounters. Since Hynek’s original scale of three types of close encounters, four more levels of the scale have been added by others. Hynek would probably not have supported any of these as additions to his original scale, as they cannot be examined using the scientific method (Hynek was the first to use, and was a strong advocate for, the application of the scientific method to UFO study).
Fourth Kind – Human abduction
Fifth Kind – Human-initiated contact with aliens.
Sixth Kind – Death or injury caused by contact with aliens.
Seventh Kind – Mating between humans and aliens that creates a human/alien hybrid.

Hynek sure had his priorities in order.

>>1783218
"Close Encounters of the 7th kind" would be a cool adult flick.

>>1783970
what's this from?