/sci/ - Science & Math

>>1776186
Elaborate, please.

>>1776183
tl;dr

first sentaince implies lack of context

>>1776183
I agree, OP.

Though you seem to get into it a bit more than me. I just am in constant awe of how massive, beautiful, and mind-bogglingly complex the universe is.

>spiritual
>science
I... you don't have to pick one?

Look like someone discovered Carl Sagan

No one ever said spirituality and reason are mutually exclusive OP, we said RELIGION and reason are mutually exclusive.

>>1776221
Nah, man. The Doors.
>>1776222
What if music is my religion?

>>1776222
which is bullshit

>>1776190
see
>>1776214

don't take me wrong

I like spirituality, but I can't base decision-making, life style and political views on it.

So basically spiritualism is just psychological decoration and as a world view moot.

Yeah that's cool and all

But for the most part that doesn't really help science along. It's nice to think about and it does inspire many scientists but really it's all stuff we've heard before.

>>1776228
you misspelled "true"

>>1776227

then you need to stop being a hipster

>>1776238
>considers The Doors "hipster music"
notsoreiftroll.jpg

>>1776233
Oh, I know. But I've said I consider myself a spiritual person before, and got butthurt Dawkins wannabes jumping down my throat. I thought I should get that out there.

I don't really come on /sci/, and I apologize for assuming the worst of you. It's just, having seen most of 4chan, I generally assume the people of a board to be the worst stereotypes of those groups.

Social conservatives on /new/, for example, are all rednecks or Stormfags, and social liberals on /new/ are all terrified of offending someone. /fit/ is full of people who think muscles are the key to life, and /ck/ is full of fatasses. You see where I'm going with this?

That said, I made an unfair assumption about /sci/entists, and for that, I apologize.

>>1776238
>the doors
>hipster
>one of the most famous bands of all time
>hipster
WHAT THE FUCK AM I READING?

>>1776252
>got butthurt Dawkins wannabes jumping down my throat

actually Dawkins is kinda of spiritualist

never mind the angsty teens that focus on his trolling potential to show how badass and edgy they are

I'm still confused about how any of this implies spirituality, am i missing something obvious here?

>>1776281
I said wannabes, not Dawkins himself.

>>1776267
inorait?

>>1776285
I think you just mix up spirituality with esotericism

it's a common missconception

also I was the original sagefag since I consider the whole thread not irrelevant but indifferent to science but some knee-jerk posts made me reconsider

they see me trullin'...

DUDE I HAD THE SAME CONCEPT WHILE BEING HIGH

>>1776285
In general, spirituality just means the desire to connect with something greater than ourselves.

>>1776300
OP here. I tried pot once. Didn't know you had to hold the shit in for longer than a puff of a cigarette, so I didn't feel shit. Haven't had the chance to since.

I do want to try some psychedelic shit at some point.

>>1776318
You really should, ASAP.
First time I got high was from a brownie while in the middle of the countryside at night with no cloud cover, with my mate's cheapshit telescope. Amazing times.

>>1776301
yeap

and science is a good, if not the best, way to do so

spiritualism implies how you try ot spontaneously develope your psyche according to your perception of the world (either it is through faith/religion, esotericism, mysticism, science, arts etc...) maybe using various practices

but it's generally a very abstract concept, but I guess wikipedia will have a rather satisfying definition if you are interested

>>1776336
OP here. I'm sort of a pantheist, sort of a polytheist. But since I believe the universe came about through purely scientific means, as did the various species, etc., and my ethical beliefs come from humanism rather than any religion, if Christians, etc., ask, I just say I'm an atheist, because it's so much easier, and will convey something closer to the truth in their minds than if I said I was a theist.

Interesting fact... the ancient Greeks and Romans considered Christians to be atheists because the Judeo-Christian god was such a different concept from their own gods that they recognized it as a whole different animal, so to speak.

>>1776351
Actually the Greeks were more susceptible towards monotheism/pantheism than you might think because by the time christianity appeared polytheistic models were pretty much considered superstition and their "worshipping" was pretty much embracing the abstracts they symbolized. Also Socrates' and Plato's arguments, about the existance of some ultimate greater good and its pursuit as a necessity, were very influential so you can figure out there were quite favourable conditions for the transition.

>>1776396
That's true.

Whereas in the North, things weren't so favorable.

Jesus fucking Christ on a toothpick, I wish there was a history board on 4chan.

>>1776493
>I wish there was a history board on 4chan.
>iflooded by opiniated /new/fags
YOU SHUT YOUR WHORE MOUTH!!1

>>1776499
Oh, right... never thought about that.

Dammit. :(

OP here. I am Aether.

>>1776525
OP here. I lol'd.

I'm actually going through a crisis right now.

Every time I think about death it gets me scared as fuck. Just the idea that I won't exist anymore is terrifying, because that would mean that nothing I did in life would have any meaning due to the fact that I would never even remember being alive. Hell, it feels like I might as well not even have been alive due to the futility of it all.

I don't know what to think. I want to believe in something after death, something to help me sleep at night, but I know that would only be trying to fulfill my emotional needs, and would have nothing to do with my logic and rationale.

I have no idea what I am to do. Maybe in the end, the only choice we have in life is whether or not to kill ourselves.

>>1776493
>Whereas in the North, things weren't so favorable.
don't imagine that things were ideal to Eastern Empire (early Byzantines) either

I know I will cause some major butthurt with what I'll say but while the initial transition was rather smooth unfortunately christian fundies very early demonstrated their biggotry.

The one who threw oil in the fire was Julian that tried to enforce an essential religious tolerance among the population, instead of abandoning ethnic Greeks rights in favour of christians like Constantine did, and tried to preserve the classical culture.

When his reign ended Theodosius took over, outlawed paganism and certain cultural aspects of the ethnic Greeks (like the Olympic games) and then he let the fundies go rampant upon the ethnics. Even christian priests went indignant by the vandalism and the slaughter caused by the christian zealots.

>>1776533
Read Sagan. Read Einstein. Watch the movie The Doors, released in 1991. Listen to music that makes you feel good.

There may be an afterlife. There may not. We'll find out soon enough.

>>1776533
when you are dead you won't care

try to live at the fullest and contribute to the future of humanity with whatever means you have if you actually care about leaving something that extends beyond your mortal lifespan

fearing death is only good as a motivation, otherwise is pointless angst