/sci/ - Science & Math

>but I research more than application.
I think you accidentally a verb.

bumping because i'm a (not underage b&) senior as well

>study what I love, being brokeass doing so

What? WTF would you be broke? That doenst make anysense at all? You sound like a FAGGOT, you should probably just go into engineering, you will feel right at home FAGGOT!

Fuck that. Do whatever it is you have a passion for, and don't let anyone else tell you different.

Besides, have you seen the kind coin some mathematicians make? Holy shit.

>>1743726
Why would you be broke?
That doenst make anysense

>>1743735
Scientists do not make money. That is all.

Go study engineering, kid.

>>1743741
Scientist make plenty of money.
WTF are you smoking?

>>1743735
>>1743740
Same person.

Seriously? Do what you love man. Making 40-50k a year and doing something you believe in is going to be vastly more rewarding than making 200k at some soul sucking job designing buildings for fuckbags.

>>1743745
>>1743726
samfag

>>1743726
Be an engineer and use your prior knowledge of higher math/physiks to improve the communication and interchange between application and theory. Be the best of both worlds, for the better of all.

>>1743747

>40-50K
>broke

Spoiled american detected

>>1743744
Judging by the picture, this kid's interested in the theoretical area of physics. Other scientists in other fields might make a lot money, but the free market generally doesn't care too much about the thinkers.

Which is sad.

>>1743726
>implying engineers don't publish a wealth of research papers and earn a shitload in the process
>implying the generic amerifag view of engineers

>>1743754
i doubt the research paper writing aspect is why he's attracted to the fields he is.

>>1743762
>last line of OP's post

>>1743751

Dude, I was more trying to say 40-50k a year should be easy to comfortably live on. I am by no means spoiled. At no point did I say that I considered that shoddy pay or "broke".

But you can't argue that a good/savvy engineer, or doctor, can make far far more than that.

>>1743767
Petroleum engineer here. I make 120K a year.

DONT DO IT

A sad truth of this world is that money control everything. As unpopular as this opinion might be, just suck it up and be an engineer.

just go study discrete mathematics or something

>>1743767
A good physicist can make a million a year, or more, working in the stockmarket, or working at someplace like CERN.

\thread

http://www.klick-game.gauss.livando.com/joke-21.html
jg

>>1743772
More like suck on it and be an engineer....am i right? They love that cockq

I've met plenty of engineers in my day and let me tell you thay are some of the most boring soulless fucks I have ever met in my life. Most of the doctors and scientists. That I have met are pretty cool though.

>>1743815

What about lawyers?

>>1743815
I've met plenty of people who have no understanding of how English grammar operates in my day and let me tell you thay are some of the most illiterate retard fucks I have ever met in my life. Most of the doctors and scientists that I have met are pretty stuck though.

>>1743823
>>1743825

Typing from an android with a signal about as steady as a gypsy belly dancers ass. Sometimes you have to just say fuck the editing and just post when you get a decent captcha.

Not much experience with lawyers though....fortunately.

I think that you should act according to the times. Does today's world needs more knowledge or more technology?

More importantly, studying ONLY what you like won't give you more knowledge and in fact doing only what you like could leave you miserable.

>>1743726
A cynic is just a disappointed idealist. Follow your fucking dreams mate, you'll regret it otherwise.

>>1743851
>in fact doing only what you like could leave you miserable.

WOW, I havent seen a post that retarded in a long time!

>>1743726
Follow your dreams
Being a particle physicist pays very very well.

>>1743857
Note that I said miserable, not unhappy.

Doing what you like can bring you happiness, but the biggest achievements are outside of your comfort zone.

>>1743870
Note I said you were a Mentally Retarded, not a FAGGOT

One second thought though, you seem like both. Your parents must be very very disapointed in you. Did they commit suicide yet?

>>1743876

youre fucking stupid dude. go get a life you fuck up

>>1743876
If you don't give a fuck, why did you replied?

>>1743877
DURR DURR DURR....

You a funny funny guy. I guess that was a big positive on that whole parent suicide thing.

Its ok little guy, im sure they are watching you in dissapointment form HELL

>>1743851
you seem to have different things make you tick to most, I think it is quite possible to do what you love and not be miserable. Fair enough, you need to be out of your comfort zone for a challenge, but taking an entirely unpleasant career path just for kicks? Not me.

>>1743876
Fucking hell, this is quite pathetic.

>>1743726
Be a scientist mate, do what you love. Money will never be too much of an issue. Plus, it's just not worth worrying about it.

>>1743882
Wanted the OP to know how retarded you are.
Just trying to guide OP in the right direction (He shouldnt listen to dumbasses like you)

>>1743884
Sadly for you, I'm not.
>>1743877

>>1743890
And he should listen to you because...

>>1743726
Op you should follow yoru dreams. You will be happier in a carrer you love, and your life will be better in general, anyone who says otherwise is just a fag.

>>1743894

Fucking hell, OP, I'm doing mathematical biology/bioengineering right now. I had a double major in those things. Engineering may be people taking scientist's hard research and applying it, but remember it's more of a PROCESS, not a discipline. Scientists/mathematicians have as much value in an engineering process as a regular engineer. My field may not be as applied as a civil or mechanical, but it's better because it's a combined field of research and application.

Unless you want to study something that has no application (theoretical physics lol) then you should work with applications NOW and put off that fun stuff towards the future when the economy can actually support it or put it to use.

>>1743894
are you new to the internet?

>>1743902
Wow, another FAGGOT?
Follow your dreams OP!
It will pay off!

>implying your ass wouldn't get broken if you were an engineer

>>1743902

>>1743902
You are no scientist......GTFO of /sci/ now!

>>1743726

Study what you love OP. All Sciences pay a good amount of money. You can actually get Rich off science, if you are really really good at it (which you can be if you love what your doing).

Engineering is shit tier, it pays less and less, and the market is constantly flooded with applicants. There are constant layoffs in engineering, especially in the current economy. In the US the current plan is to eliminate all engineering 4 year degree plans anyway, in favor of certification programs. The "degree" will pretty much be worthless in about 20 years.

>>1743750
this op. I'm planning on getting a bachelors in electrical engineering focusing on robotics, going to grad school for neural computing and then post-grad in robotics again. I hope to advance technologies in the field of robotics (possibly linking an organic brain with a robot and whatnot). stuff like that is probably what you want OP

>>1743926
agreed

>>1743750
>engineer and use your prior knowledge of higher math/physiks

LMAO, engineering math and physics is shit tier. All they do is plug and chug shit. You are a complete waste of life, die in a fucking fire!

>>1743926
Thanks Mr. Feynman

>>1743926
yeah, but I've heard that a bachlors in science doesn't get you shit. You need to go to grad school and whatnot. money is the issue

>>1743945

Engineering is awesome, it takes a lot of creative problem solving and quick thinking. Some people want to apply their theoretical knowledge and create things. While thinking abstractly is fun, staring at paper all day can get boring.

>>1743926

This is a lie.

The fact is that pretty much all STEM work (outside of the finance industry) pays shit.

There is a real lack of job opportunities in all of the sciences at the moment. Earning a doctorate will only get you a shitty post doc position with crap pay and no oppurtunity for independant research.

I encourage anyone seriously thinking about going into any STEM type work to read this artical first.

http://www.miller-mccune.com/science/the-real-science-gap-16191/

>>1743953

An engineering BA or applied math BA can actually get you good paying jobs with a lot of higher-pay potential. While degrees in a pure science / pure math are much more limited and basically require grad school to become effective, and even then they are still inferior to their Engineering Graduate counterparts.

grow some balls and double major.
I'm mech engineering + physics + business minor (to stomp on management fags)

>>1743952
It depends on what science. But yeah, if you are going to do science you should go all the way, for the doctorate, else you might as well just be some shitty engineer.

>>1743952
WHY THE FUCK IS MONEY AN ISSUE?
You do relize that for science they pay you to go to grad school right? I have never heard of any scientist paying for grad school, it is fucking laughable.

ONLY SHIT TIER SHIT LIKE ENGINEERING HAS TO PAY FOR GRAD SCHOOL

GTFO! with your nonsense

I'm new to /sci/ but wtf is up with all the engineer hatred? Is it kind of a selling out thing?

Its all so flexible in the end. Im a scientist / engineer. I get paid good and i don't even remember if my job is suppose to be a scientist or an engineer! Having said that, i'd call myself an engineer, not a scientist as a matter of pride LOL!

Having said that..

"Engineers are the Oompa Loompas of science.”
Dr. Sheldon Cooper.

Srsly tho are you really anywhere near having to make that final decision..? But yeah - you do need to do more then just the standard degree to get anywhere in science.. from what i hear

>>1743952
>Thinks scientists have to pay for grad school

Mechatronic Engineer here. After working on biomimetic brain interfaces and machine learning operators for several years I'm now doing very abstract cybernetic theory for my Phd program.

I worked for 7 years in field. The pay was quite good, but more importantly the work was always challenging and exciting.

The problem I always had with pure sciences is that anyone with a sufficient math background and sufficient interest can pursue them independently. But you can't apply most of that knowledge unless you have access to advanced engineering facilities... I stay up to date on most of the research being done in cognitive science, computer science, machine learning, nanophyics, biogenetics, etc...

You can always satisfy your theoretical appetite much easier than you can satisfy your engineering appetite. When you actually want to DO science or CREATE something, it's a whole different problem.

>>1743987
If someone called me a faggot (engineer) I would punch them in the face. Fuck that shit!

>>1743747
We call that Abu Dhabi!

>>1743977
>I have never heard of any scientist paying for grad school, it is fucking laughable
I had to pay for a good portion of my grad school. I had a TA job and scholarships the whole way though, but those only paid the cost of living plus a little bit. With tuition and books, it put me back about $10k over 4 years.

But next time I would go to a school that guaranteed me a certain amount. One of my friends managed to save up enough to buy a house while going to grad school.

>>1743985
they mad that someone takes their science and do something productive with it

>>1743994

>You can always satisfy your theoretical appetite much easier than you can satisfy your engineering appetite. When you actually want to DO science or CREATE something, it's a whole different problem.

engineerfag raises a good point

>>1743926
>In the US the current plan is to eliminate all engineering 4 year degree plans anyway, in favor of certification programs
Really?

This thread is so fail and....

SUDDENLY A WILD TESLA APPEARS

>>1744008
might not be such a terrible idea actually

>>1744016
how would you get a certificates for something like civil engineering though?

>>1744002

>You can always satisfy your theoretical appetite much easier than you can satisfy your engineering appetite

False, to do any sort or real science you need access to a super-lab. Be it Fermi, Brookhaven, SLAC, CERN....etc. These Labs will only give clearance to deserving scientists. You need special permission and all sorts of gov clearance for that shit. Engineers usually do not get access to such awesomeness.

Any jerkoff can go to an engineering lab.

>>1743987
I had to look that quote up. You're a fag for watching a show based on Oh look at us, we can do high school physics!

>>1744008

Yes, look it up. A tons of shit that was once a 4year programs have turned into certifications/vocational programs. Engineering is just the lastest addition to the process.

They did it with a large part of the Medical Industry as well as the Computer Industry. The number of Vocational schools is growiing very very fast in the US.

Engineering is really more of a vocation anyway. You really dont need to go to college for that shit, it really just a "trade". It was better for everyone to make it certifcation based, the student spends less money, and another Ompa Lumpa is produced faster.

>>1744018
Same way you get a certificate to be a mechanic, plumber, electrician, etc.
When you graduate from an ABET school you still have to take the fundamentals of engineering exam anyway and the professional engineering exam after you've been working in the field for 2 years after that (I think). My point is, you don't need to go to a traditional 4 year college to become an engineer, as long as you learn your stuff well. You'll need a few lab courses though.

>>1744033
so you're implying programmers and doctors will be replaced by certificates too?
lol yeah sure, whatever you say

>>1744019

>Fermi, Brookhaven, SLAC, CERN....etc. Engineers usually do not get access to such awesomeness.

facepalm.jpg

have you been to SLAC or CERN? Half the employees there are engineers you cockfag.

>>1744043
They call em Medical technicians.

It's just like a nurse or doctor, only he/she doesn't care if you die on the table, he just ticks off his protocol chart.

Sounds great!

Engineers are like sanitation worker/trash collectors. Society needs them and the pay is decent but I would never want to be one.

>>1744019

This is pure bullshit.

First you can do real science without any laboratory access at all.

Second those 'super laboratories' you speak of so glowingly usually have more engineers than scientists working their because they rely on equipment far more than a normal lab.

Third it's pure bullcrap to assume that YOU will be one of the chosen few scientists who are hired to work in one of these places.

Not only are you competing with every scientist in the world for a place but the people you are competing against have far more motivation than most westerners. There is a good fucking reason most high level research science jobs go to Asians these days.

And last but not least working and research at a R&D lab is just as much of a formal process as any engineering dicipline.

>>1744046
LOL

>>1744043
No, I never said that faggot. Certain carrers in the medical industry and computer industry already have though.

Have never see the shit ton of commericals for that shit? You never heard of carrer colleges, vocational schools?

STop being a fucking retard

>>1744052
>more engineers than scientists

Im literally LMAO. Yeah, what are you 12? You sounds like a fucking idiot. I can tell you have never been to a real Lab. Just take your fail and GTFO out of /sci/.

Thanks.

>>1744065
you know I've always wondered whether that picture is real...

>>1744068

> you know I've always wondered whether that picture is real...


really? I've never wondered that, because I'm not a fucken idiot.

>>1744068
Yeah, its me kicking a lowly engineer (who failed to get my lunch order right) to his death. Fuck those guys! They are a dime a dozen.

>>1744065

You seem pretty damn ignorant yourself, buddy.

>>1743987
>i'd call myself an engineer, not a scientist as a matter of pride LOL!
>not a scientist as a matter of pride LOL!
>matter of pride LOL!
>pride

>>1743994
Which field is best for biomem/whatever? EE? Mech E? Bio? I'm doing math right now...

all engineers are scientists

but not all scientists are engineers.

>>1743726
An engineering thread!
GAY PRIDE!

>>1743726
Choose Engineering OP..
It is fabalous!!

>>1744091

goddamn it you faggots need to chill out
Engineers have been around for thousands of years, long before scientists.
They're the ones responsible for building skyscrapers and the 7 wonders of the world.
Now calm the fuck down

The majority of the fags in this thread are 14 year olds that will try science or engineering and then fail all their classes their first semester and switch to business like proper little butt plugs.

>>1744132

Some of you guys have some serious superiority/inferiority complexes to deal with.