/sci/ - Science & Math

That damned atmosphere

>>1690535
water vapor is all over that troposphere man.

I think its more interesting to let the atmosphere crush the bottle by changing the temperature.

Water in the air condenses to liquid

You see, hydrogen bonds form dipole moments in quantum entanglement and black holes with gravitons from the core where we take time-space and turn it over so that point A and point B overlap to allow FTL travel and take us to a place where we don't need eyes.

Understand?

Just like supercooled metals become superconductors, supercooled water is able to perform quantum tunneling through plastic containers. If you could keep the water chilled long enough, all the water would eventually quantum tunnel out of the container.

Fucking /sci/, stop trolling for a sec. Air can only hold so much water, the cooler it is, the less it can hold. Psychometrics, look it up.

You are either a troll or an idgit, either way I'm out of here.

>>1690596
there is no limit to how much water air can hold.

>>1690607
[citation needed]

>>1690620
educate yourself

http://www.ems.psu.edu/~fraser/Bad/BadClouds.html

condensation

>>1690607
keep on trolling son, your parents must be so proud of their incestuous offspring.

>>1690629
I gave the proof. i see you are just as mindless. Atleast I will continue my life knowing air can go beyond super saturation.

Hey did you know that "pure" water won't freeze at 0C, that's cause there are no impurities, i bet you didn't know that.

>>1690623
Clouds are not the same thing.
The dew point is when the air is saturated, i.e. can hold no more water. Even if this wasn't the reason, the claim of "no limit" is false on grounds that there is a limit, regardless of how high it is.

>>1690638
Yeah, and it doesn't conduct electricity either. Quit being a tool.

>>1690638

its called permeability

>>1690646
now you are attempting semantics.

The idea that air has a holding capacity is an eighteenth century speculation that likened water vapor in air to salt in water. Air is not holding the water vapor in any sense. Further, if all the air is removed, the relationship between the equilibrium vapor pressure and temperature remains the same. Empirically, the air is irrelevant. So, how can you justify telling folks that something which has no bearing on the issue (because in its absence the system behaves the same way) is the causative agent.


Are you suggesting that gas molecules do not behave independently, and that there isn't a massive space in between?

I think you should also understand cloud development. A cloud can form at 100% humidity, it can form less than or higher, but when a cloud forms it continues upward. There is less air above, and denser air below, but it is in those downdrafts that the clouds are usually destroyed, and yet it is when the air descends it gets denser, but no clouds form.

>>1690664
>implying the water originated from inside the bottle

>>1690674
Well anyway, i think you guys should read this if you truly think air is holding water.

http://fermi.jhuapl.edu/people/babin/vapor/index.html

>>1690674
>doesn't see the irony in acknowledging humidity but not the limit of water that air at a certain temp can hold.

>>1690623

ahh. wafag here, there's a picture of i think the south side of mount rainier on that link.

seems like nothing but i've seen the north side almost every day for 23 years. its like looking up and seeing the other side of the moon. fukkin weird.

>>1690677
exactly
enthalpy is higher as temperature increases
thus alowing some of the water to escape the bottle

>>1690689
do you understand what humidity is, or is your understanding based on basic high school chemistry classes? I already stated humidity is just a measurement to try and see what a cloud might form.

Even if it is at 100%, a cloud may or may not form, i don't understand your difficulty in this. Although you've only posted pictures and /v/ green text, so I shouldn't expect much.

>>1690718
there there. just because you couldn't stretch your nonsense about cloud formation in a way that would logically relate to condensation forming on a water bottle. better luck next time.

This explains it pretty well, including the misconception that air is holding the water:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relative_humidity

The confusion probably arises from the word "saturation" for 100% relative humidity. That implies something being dissolved, but gases are not dissolved in gases. Instead, the saturation point is the point where the water vapor reaches the partial pressure where (at the given temperature) it wants to be liquid rather than gas.

>>1690718
sorry, forgot to attach the pic.

>>1690683
Water is not a chemical. It is a compound composed of two hydrogen and one oxygen atom. When water (H2O) is heated up the molecules are accelerated and the bonds holding them together are separated and it turns into two separate Hydrogens and Oxygen (O2) gas. That's the good ol oxygen we breath in and breath out with an added carbon. We don't breath in pure O2.. our lungs can filter out the other stuff it brings in. Pure O2 can actually fuck you up. Air is actually made up out of a lot of separate things that could be compounded to make many things. So in theory you could say that Air holds lots and lots of things. Semantics is a bitch.

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>>1690742
I never implied that, someone stated air holds water, i said that was wrong.

>water is not a chemical
get out

air IS holding the water....in the same sense that air is holding nitrogen, oxygen, argon, etc.... air is just a word to describe a mixture of gases.

the low temp of the water conducts through the plastic of the bottle, resulting in a low temp at the bottle air interface...the water in the air at the interface then condenses onto the bottle.

end of thread

>>1690755
Wtf dude water vapour IS costituing air, all the shit that evaporates from oceans and your kettle, guess where is it

>>1690718
Now YOU'RE "attempting semantics". When they said 'limit' they probably just meant 'practical limit before it starts condensing on stuff' seeing as how informal this thread and board are. 8/10 though.

>>1690755
the temperature of the air, dictates how much moisture is present in the air. How can you not draw the parallel that the air is therefore holding the moisture? what the fuck is so hard about comprehending that? Man, if your parents weren't on lsd while trying to conceive you, they should surely tell people they were.

>>1690799
[citation needed]

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9/10

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define chemical

>>1690816
Which part? Refer to a psychrometric chart to understand the humidification part, the lsd part was just an educated guess. Clearly, I'm unable to offer solid proof that this is indeed the case.

>>1690535
Condensation forms on objects which are colder than the dew point of the atmosphere.

>>1690837
I meant element..

>>1691051
An element of water?

>>1691062
homeopathy (the only real science out there) taught me that water is the element that can cure anything.

you fags should all stop taking all those noxious chemicals and relish in the might of homeopathy

>>1691062
I SAID WATER IS NOT AN ELEMENT.

>>1691160
YES IT IT, SHUT THE FUCK UP FAGGOT AND DRINK YOUR WATER

>>1691169
ITT: Greeks