/sci/ - Science & Math

>>1678829
or a fucking elementary school teacher

>>1678829
shelter is a more basic need then problem solving.

its fun to know i could just quit school right now and have the same salary than if i did a phd

>>1678829

bachelors?

get a phd, go into finance,
>300k starting
>any gaussian regression model you want

>>1678864

phd and only making 40k /yr means hes got no social skills, imagination or understanding of the career market

which means he deserves only 40k a year

still double a biologist or chemist

>>1678836

>sex

Fast food joint managers make that. Go work at McDonalds and work your way up the ladder

did you compare the workload and the rest before you think the salary is important?

I made as much as a prostitute this summer in a lab and i didnt do fucking squat!

>>1678829

If you're doing it for the money, then you're doing it wrong.

You get to figure out how the fabric of nature works. It's a sweet deal that you get paid anything to do it.

>>1678902
>>1678918
This.

>>1678898
Did your job consist of jacking of the PI or something?

its just fucking sad that we pay our smartest and hardest working brains as much as a fucking retard who doesnt go to school

>>1679070
>>1679070

Pretty much.

>>1679070
Construction workers aren't retards. They're not the saltiest fries in the Happy Meal, but would you be comfortable in a building literally constructed by the retarded?

Chances are you've never done construction work, or I'd guess any heavy labor. There's a reason they make a decent living. Shit's hard.

>>1678966
nope, mostly trying to reproduce some DNA using PCR:

1. mix pcr (1 minute)
2. put it in the machine (for 8 hours)
3. ????
4. Profit!

>>1678829

Look man. I met this green beret once. We were talking and he told me, "If they just gave me a place to stay and food to eat, I'd do this job forever."

That really hit home for me. At the time I was in a job I hated, because I was just worried about money. I quit the job and went back to school so I could do what I love. Math. Anything about subsistence, for me, is just icing on the cake.

>>1679097
Yup. Construction requires versatile skilled labour. Using your body and mind you university faggots.

>>1679115

but what happens when they are replaced by androids and robots? what then body-and-mind fags?

Physicist's with a Masters starting salary: $60,000
Construction worker with no experience starting salary: $60,000

1) Physicist spends 6 years at an University paying over $100,000 in tuition
2) Comes out in a sector that's not hiring. Unemployed
3) Construction worker worked for the past 6 years, earning over $400,000, due to adjustment in salary because of his experience
4) Lol science.

It doesn't mean I'll quit studying what I love, but shit, I'd fucking shoot myself if no-one hired me.

What a waste of my life and money.

It's true that you should do something you love, but at the same time it's also true that while money doesn't buy happiness, it sure as fuck helps.

Let's also not forget that becoming a scientist who actually gets to do their own novel research is a crapshoot. Competition is fucking fierce in academia. We're talking 80-200 applications for a single job opening, all from highly qualified applicants. Assuming you even manage to make into an R1 or R2 university and don't just wind up teaching classes at Dumbfuck State Jr. College, you now have to deal with fighting for grants and scrambling for tenure (not that we'll have to worry about that since universities are in the middle of getting rid of tenure).

well if you were not a retard, you'd know that having any sort of physics degree means there is almost an infinite number of jobs you can do right...

Want money and science?
Engineering.
Trust me on this one.

>>1679178

Your numbers are off, at least for Canada. Have you actually looked at construction jobs and what they pay? Most start you around 12-15, then they go up to 19-20, then after you have more experience and actually know how to build and manage a crew you might make $25/hr.
their salaries are like 25-45k a year.

Maybe in the states you can make 54k, but definitely not starting off.

Their salary cap is shit. Their work is brutal. They work in horrible conditions, in the heat, in the cold, in the rain. They are filthy and sweaty most of the time. It's honorable work, but it really takes a toll on your body.


Compare that to a clever physics phd (not a stupid undergrad).

Lets say Phd goes into teaching, boom 120k starting, typically, at least in Canada.
He can go into IT, which varies...70-150k.

Lets say he knows how to code and some economics theory, and becomes a Quant. 150-350k starting.

These are all higher than what a construction worker will ever make even after many years of brutal work. Construction workers can only make good money after like 10 years when they are journeymen and can start their own business.

>>1679255
... Such as?

Competition is fucking fierce. Worse that a dozen hundred hungry piranhas fighting over the last scrap of meat.

>>1679258
>trust an engineer

>>1679258
Lies.

Chemical Engineers make a lot of money because of competition over a few slots of job openings.

Seriously, check it out. Every year graduates think they'll make $100,000 starting, but what they soon realize is that over 200 graduates at any given area will fight over half a dozen positions.

Sure, engineers are ballin', but you either need to know connections through your daddy or just be smart enough to make it out there by yourself.

>>1679266
Having a degree of any kind improves your prospects in almost any job, provided there aren't specific requirements. Put a degree on your resume, and you'll get the job over someone without one.

>>1679258
>PhD in engineering
>any cock I want
>7" and starting

>>1679259
What can a physicist with masters earn?

I doubt I have the time or money to go back and learn coding and economics.

>>1679286
>Chemical Engineers make a lot of money because of competition over a few slots of job openings.

Either I just completely misinterpreted that, or you have no idea how supply and demand works.

>>1679296
There's demand. Demand for the cream of the crop, not some dumb fuck who barely scraped the bottom of the barrel and got a fucking sheet of paper saying they know LE SCIENCE.

>>1678829

Let me show you the power of Physics Phd.

Entry Level Quantitative Research/Trading - Multi Strategy Hedge Fund - London/New York, up to $150k base + bonus

> top tier calibre candidates that have a PhD in a quantitative subject from a top tier University with GPA's of at least a 3.5. Your areas of expertise will include some of Mathematics, statistics, and Physics.

Junior Quant Researcher (PhD / Post Doc) (Hedge Fund) - (London)

>The role would be suitable for a PhD or Post Doc or experienced scientist who does hard maths on a daily basis: E.G: Astrophysics, Particle Physics, Informatics, Statistics, and Machine Learning etc.

> majority of the researchers receive 6 £ figure remuneration within their 1st year. E.g. base salary £55-65k - Bonus between (100-300%) based on contribution.


Commodities Quantitative Research Analyst - Quant Driven Asset Management Firm NY $450k Starting.

>This is a very elite group and as such, my client is interested in speaking to candidates with a stellar academic and professional track record. You will have a degree in a quantitative field (eg Computer Science, Maths, Physics, and Economics) and have 2-4 years experience in the financial industry

450k starting salary for 2-4 years exp. Construction workers making $20bucks an hour while breaking their backs and burning in the head.

>>1679259
>PhD in Physics
>Economics
>Computer Science

Nah, bro. That's like 14 years of my life going to waste.

>>1679299
>>1679286
>>1679280
y'all niggas mad i make 10 times more than you with no effort

>>1679316
>PhD in Physics
>PhD in Computer Science
>PhD in Economics
>PhD in Maths

Lol.

Why aren't you doing that shit?

>>1679323


it asks for one phd in some quantitative field i.e (math, economics, physics) physics would be the phd you want

>>1679316
450K starting for 20 years of my life in academia?

Fuck that shit.

I can't pay for my education nor do I have the fucking time.

TIME TO BUILD HOUSES!

>>1679323


even if you had a masters it wouldn't be strong enough for such a theoretical subject like physics, you have to supplement it with something practical, like an MBA, a CFA, a CQF, an MFE, something that has "application"

>>1679344
Read >>1679339

>>1679339
So a degree in PhD physics is all I need?

That's pretty sweet, then.

I only need ~4 more years.

well you can't read obviously, no job requires multiple phds, they want one Phd in a science, and they want you to be proficient in other areas like finance, statistics, etc...it's not hard to self teach yourself, specially for 450k starting rofl

or you could do the first job I posted which clearly states it wants one phd in physics and start at 150k a year + bonuses (bonuses would probably be double or triple that)

but since you are an unmotivated unintelligent college dropout who has resigned himself to manual labor and is only trolling with this thread then I bid you good luck in your future endeavor as a plumber or brick layer.

>>1679357
So basically a double major in Physics and some form of Economics?

>>1679380

ya tons of jobs for physics phds in finance and in IT

>>1679381
Caught me trolling.

But still, I thought of changing my major after thinking that my pursue of a masters was going to turn out useless.

Guess I'll have to get my masters and work hard on a PhD.

>>1679357

I generally operate under the assumption that a PhD lands you a somewhat different job than an MFE (in finance, of course).

In a year I suppose I'll find out.

>>1679388
"Economics" isn't going to cut it. It's need to be a structured program, like an MBA or an MS in Finance, not something broad like econ.

Why study physics if you just want a lot of money? Just study math and become a quant. Leave physics to rising physicists.

if you want to make money just be some bullshit business man, and fuck people over as hard as you can get away with, if you actually want to contribute to society than do science or art but don't go to school for art thats stupid

>>1679389
Finance needs theoretical physicists and atom smashers.

>>1679388

You can take many different routes, the important thing is to do a subject that is heavy in math and modeling.

If you have the power to double major in physics and economics that would be great but it isn't necessary.

>>1679380

If you seriously want a finance job from a Physics PhD, I think you should study any field where numerical approached to solving PDE's play a big role. Fluid dynamics of any kind seems to be good.

Of course all the glamorous jobs these days seem to go to algorithmic and high frequency guys. Machine learning seems hot. I tend to think that stuff is a little bit bullshitty, but what do I know?

>>1679401
You're finishing your PhD in Physics in about a year?

How old are you, sir?

>>1679403

Actually economics will cut it if you do a program that is heavy in econometrics and get a phd in econometrics, which revolves around statistics, finance and making quant models.

The ideal route would be to do a degree in Comp Sci + Financial mathematics or Econometrics

Physics is great too, Emanuel derman was one of the original quants who was a physicist.

>>1679419

The degree is in mathematics, not physics. I'm in my mid thirties. I spent close to a decade in industry before returning for the PhD.

>>1679424
Yeah, but he sounded like he was just getting an MS in econ. That's not worth much.

>>1679424

Plus, with an Econ PhD you can retire at a business school after you've made your millions. Although few programs are really top notch quantitatively from what I've seen.

>>1679429
>PhD in Mathematics
>300K starting
>Any job I want

>>1679433

I know a few ppl who have an MS in econometrics and are working for big banks as analysts/researchers

they dont make crazy cash, i think just around 70-90k, but the work environment is chill from what I hear

but ya, MS in Econ wont cut it for a Quant

Business school? Man, I thought you guys wanted to be lab rats and professors, living spartan lives in the name of progress. Where's the old curiosity, the unquenchable thirst for knowledge?

You're making me sad, /sci/.

>>1679451


>implying you can't make a ton of money when you're young and then become a mad scientist when you're older

>>1679444
>but the work environment is chill from what I hear
With just an MS, it sounds like a lot of grunt work to me. Definitely not worth it, in my opinion, if you can go the distance and nail the PhD.

Then again, being a grad student isn't terribly fun. Some love it, but others just want to get in, get out, and get working. I've got nothing but respect for those who do the leg work at the banks.

>>1679429
Is the process of getting a PhD a toll on your free time?

How much time do you spend on it each day?

Would you say it's possible to earn a PhD alongside a full time job?

>>1679451
The overly competitive nature of science means it's actually quite inefficient. Researchers pursue studies that guarantee results so their funding continues, instead of taking risks. The reputations of those that take risks and lose suffer. It results in a kind of stagnation of knowledge, where an entrant into the industry is very unlikely to make any sort of difference.

>>1679465
You can't be young forever, and your mental blade will dull with time. You gain wisdom with age, but your ability to rapidly analyze and extrapolate is inversely related to age. Don't wait!

>>1679467
It's terrible spending 10+ years in academia... especially if your daddy doesn't have any money.

>>1679472
So? Get out there and take risks! Be the change you want to see instead of the insightful observer you are today.

Construction workers, especially those who manage to start their own business, are hard-working people who go through a lot of shit to earn their pay. Don't cast them aside as lowly.

I'm going into law guys. I like all of these math based subjects but I am no good at them, and law is easy rote memorization with a bit of application.
>JD from top canadian law school
>any job I want
>application denied unless it is in law

>>1679471

Being a PhD student is either crawling or sprinting. Sometimes I work a string of three hour days, other times I'm pulling 60+ hour weeks. I have a fairly developed personal life and have a lot of fun. I wouldn't do this if I couldn't have that. Even when the work load is high, it's generally things that I truly enjoy and so it seems more fun than it is. Living on a stipend can be frustrating, but I can afford enough luxuries. There is absolutely no way I could see doing it and working a full time job.

I like being a grad student, but I love what I study. I don't think there's any way to finish a program if you don't.

>>1679507


funny cuz i hear being a lawyer sucks

my friends have been doing law for 2 years they hate it

my law professor (philosophy of law) regularly tried to influence people not to go to law school and said his experience as a lawyer was quite dull and stressful

cenk yugur of the youngturks show on youtube (tyt) said he was a lawyer for 6months and hated it so he quit lol

i have never heard many good things about law school, if ur doing it just for money without a clear idea of what kinda law you are passionate about, its going to end badly i think

>>1679541


are u the math phd? or what?

>>1679541
Best of luck to you, and I thank you for forewarning me of my future path on the way to a PhD.

>>1679564

Yes, I am.

>>1678836
>implying physicis is not sex

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emanuel_Derman

>particle physics
>financial engineering
>400k starting
>WOW SCIENCE AND MONEY AND WOMEN AND MARTINIS

This guy is a fucking badass. Kids, if you love science and money, go into physics or math, trust me. Better than bio/chem. Take econ as a side course.

Construction worker makes more in the short term, but will hit a pay ceiling and the only way to advance past it is starting his own business. He's also destroying his back/joints and won't be able to keep up with full-time work forever.