/sci/ - Science & Math

>>16526620

retarded OP

12 hour thread? What happened?

>>16527457
Jannies deemed it unsalvageable and nuked it.

>>16527457
Earthers lashing out

Good morning /sfg/

>>16527454
Glass the Earth, demigod war eventually

>>16527454
When New glenn goes orbital, bezos will post "welcome to the club" after starship orbital since ng Will be first

>>16527457
damage control

>>16527454
thank you for making a good edition
>>16527457
>>16527458
jannies were right.


Did you remember to thank Jupiter today? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zu41rrc_Ng
(this channel's videos have great presentation, amazing visualizations and is very information dense)

>>16527457
coup

hey did you hear what trump and musk said about jeets amirite?

>>16527474
>trump and musk
Who?

Zubrin is QI posting. Spitter is healing.

https://x.com/robert_zubrin/status/1871182585164136797

No more immigration talk.
Let's talk superalloys, oxidizer fuel mix and autogenous pressurization.

>>16527457
Do you feel in charge?

>>16527510
My favourite oxidiser is oxygen

SpaceX ought to become publicly traded just in time for Elon to overturn ITAR so he can fire all the white engineers and replace them with Indians borrowed straight from Boeing's 737-MAX aircraft control laws team. I'll be shorting that shit straight to zero. Elon destroying his own company to prove some kind of point about immigration is going to make me absurdly rich.

I was looking forward to 2025. I thought it was gonna be a good year for space with Elon gaining power and scaring the FAA. The he had to choose to be a anti-white retard faggot. I am no longer feeling as hopeful about the near future of space, but these past two months honestly felt great. I had heard and understood the concerns about Elon, but I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt until now. He is now doubt an evil man who cares not for his vision, but instead for his own personal gain.

>>16527516
It's cheating to use oxygen as an oxidizer.

>>16527517
>>16527520
Musk will continue to gain power
2025 will be great for space, spacex and other companies and great for other elon companies (particularly Tesla)

>>16527526
Good morning, 5 rupees have been deposited into your account, saar.

So funny how a couple of days ago Musk was the king of the chuds and now hes getting so much hate from them

Even sfg chuds seem to like bezos and blue origin more now

>>16527545
no, its the same EDS retards (including you) whining like they always do

>>16527545
Nobody gives a shit about Bezos, my reddit spacing friend. The best possible outcome would be for Musk to backtrack on his antiwhite spergout and continue conquering the solar system.

>>16527545
Yeah, former musk voter here, not gonna lie, I am now a blue origin cruise missile
The 6th of January can't come soon enough

>americunts whining about this or that
eurochads keep winning. We've already developed an immunity to bullshit and are used to endless hordes of immigrants. You VILL have a jeet doing the countdown for flight 9 und you VILL be happy

>>16527464
That would be a silly thing to post since New Glenn won't make that achievement until long after Starship has reached Mars and Bezos has been dead for a long time. Maybe his AI double in AWS will be able to make a statement on how doing everything old space was the right way to do things as they were able to not blow up craft like Starship's process required and only were a couple of decades late to the party.

>>16527517
Dude is autistic. Give him a break. He just needs a tard wrangler to keep him in check so he doesn't have another meltdown.
>>16527524
It's not cheating and I'll sell you as much of it as you want in gas form. I'll even throw in a bunch of nitrogen and trace gases to keep it inert until you're ready to make use of it.
>>16527545
Part of life (and real science) is reevaluating evidence as more of it becomes available. Only a small minded person sticks to a position forever regardless of what new information is learned about it.

>>16527554
SpaceX burns engineers like kerosene, which is why Elon is so desperate to secure a supply of jeet replacements. BO is slower but has better long term prospects because there will still be people alive left to work for them.

>>16527545
because /pol/ doesn't care about spaceflight

>>16527558
spacex can't hire indians retard

maybe old news but nato is working on a project to redirect undersea cable communications via satellites whenever there is a disruption, like the current ones we've seen in the baltic sea
https://spectrum.ieee.org/undersea-internet-cables-nato
https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/news_228257.htm

>>16527569
they can't yet
just watch musk try and get rid of itar so he can hire as many jeets as possible

>>16527557
>He just needs a tard wrangler
That's called a wife

>>16527458
I'm still amazed that the flaps don't look dumb in this position

got to be honest with you bros, at this point I don't even know if Brilliant Pebbles is worth it.

>>16527597
Grimes is starting her catholic arc, she’s going to fix him hahah

>>16527599
Is this bait? Because v2 looks dummy tarded

>>16527603
I assure you that it could look a lot worse, now it even looks a little agressive

>>16527599
I'm excited to see it fly. I just wish the thing had a bigger payload bay; it's hard to imagine how Starship will replace Falcon if Starship doesn't support longer payloads, which Falcon 9's regular fairing is already too short for.

>what? what happend to the last Thr-
>oh

>>16527606
this will probaly be solved by V3, what I REALLY wanna see is the 12m version

Why are rockets so small? Why can't you just launch a 100m cubed cube with a shit ton of propellant and engines attached to it?

>>16527603
Dihedral always looks good you tasteless pleb.

>>16527545
Musk is the main fund raiser for SpaceX and its public face. He has a shallow understanding of what the company does and how it does it. To the average layman, that understanding looks deep because it's a meter deep compared to the layman's mm deep understanding. But when it comes down to it, Shotwell is who is running the company. Musk no longer is a asset as the public face of SpaceX but he still has a very large ownership share so he's not going away. The other investors are going to pressure him to either get his autism under control or stop being seen at SpaceX. Since he stretched himself thin buying twitter (cash not illiquid assets), he can't really serve as SpaceX's funder, he has to be fund raiser, which is difficult when you're a liability to the company's image.
The real interesting thing will be tomorrow morning when the market opens. Watch Tesla's shareprice to see what the market thinks of Musk's future as a public figure. If it crashes (kek), not only is a large chunk of his wealth vaporized, it will be a sign to investors in all of his companies that he is now a liability. That will make new investment money difficult to find and the existing investment money hard to keep from flowing out.
The thing to remember about Twitter is that he brought on a bunch of investors because he didn't have the liquid assets to buy it himself. Those investors aren't going to be happy that he's saying the quiet part out loud. All across his empire, it's full of third party investors who expected him to be seen as a solid and competent figure, not an autistic spurg who can't control his outburst that risks the viability of his companies.

>>16527545
I only care about Starship and New Glenn

>>16527597
He's been divorced three time, twice from the same woman. He doesn't do marriage anymore and his relationships die after a short period. Grimes is not his wife, they were never married and now they're involved in a series of custody disputes because Elon thinks court orders are optional for him.

>>16527614
>He has a shallow understanding of what the company does and how it does it.
What's that I hear? A call, like the howling wind of the void. The call of reddit. It wants you. It wants you back.

>>16527600
Brilliant Pebbles, like most of SDI, was designed to scare the shit out of the Soviets and goad them into reckless spending to keep up with an imaginary program. It served its purpose of helping to implode the Soviet economy but that actual concept is flawed in many ways. Still, it's fun to think about.

>>16527545
Go away, please.

>>16527605
They need to add a P51 design to it.

>>16527620
Call it whatever you want, it's simple reality. His understanding is 1000x that of the general public (thus meter vs millimeter) but he's not a rocket engineer. SpaceX doesn't need his expertise in rocketry to survive. But nice of you to demonstrate you have problems with reading comprehension and missed the point of the post entirely so you could jerk off to your reddit vs 4chan obsession.

>>16527625
Hmm maybe just maybe they should figure out how to get it to orbit, how to fit a door for payload deployment beyond one cubic banana, and a working thermal protection system first

>>16527621
The actual concept would absolutely work to prevent any counter-force first strike against America from succeeding, while simultaneously not preventing a counter-value retaliatory strike (because cruise missiles exist, and because cruise missiles cannot reach the center of the American continent.) Such a system would ensure that nobody starts shit against America while simultaneously not putting America in a position where it can do something retarded like starting a land war in Asia by invading China (because the threat of counter-value strikes against coastal American cities using SLCMs still exists.)

It's an insurance policy against Xi or Putin thinking they can catch America off guard and flip the balance of global power to themselves in a single sudden act of Kantai Kessen.

>>16527627
>SpaceX doesn't need his expertise in rocketry to survive.
The relative trajectories of SpaceX and Blue Origin prove you wrong, and any /sfg/ native would know this. Since you aren't from here, I'll be so kind as to spell it out for you.
Blue Origin was founded BEFORE SpaceX.
Jeff Bezos was RICHER than Elon Musk
Blue Origin has been operating under the SAME regulatory conditions as SpaceX, with the SAME opportunities to win government and commercial contracts if only they could produce a rocket capable of putting things into orbit.
Blue Origin has launched ZERO satellites into orbit.
Blue Origin has launched ZERO people into orbit.
SpaceX has beaten Blue Origin so thoroughly that they are now launching more than EVERY OTHER LAUNCH ORGANIZATION IN THE WORLD COMBINED.

The difference is SpaceX is lead by Elon Musk, who has vision for SpaceX and takes risks. He does this like no other leader of any launch provider in the world can compare to.

>>16527625
Inshallah Starship will bring back pin-up girl decals

Satan's chosen jimension

>>16527627
>source: thunderf00t

Why shouldn't all of the whites at spacex be replaced by lower paid indians? It's simply the right financial decision. Anyone against this is a racist

>>16527645
it’s going to eventually be a skeleton crew of humans with an armada of tesla bots anyways. I give it less than 15 years before SX is just a robot slave work force.

>>16527647
Decades of development and yet not a single commercially viable use for humanoid robots has been found.

What is Phillip Sloss going to do if SLS is cancelled?
Isn't SLS his whole life?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-tNpHqp-CY

I look forward to laughing at him, but I don't actively wish for him to commit suicide.

>>16527458
Good

>>16527517
is this gonna be your melty pt2?

>>16527545
he really isn't, it's just a couple retards having a melty.

>>16527614
>retard suddenly believes all of the EDS conspiracy theories and makes basically a reddit post because he finally has something to disagree with musk on
lel

you see, this is how easily EDS can manifest itself.

>>16527651
Years ago when visiting Kennedy Space Center as a tourist, I made a tour guide cry because she overheard me tell my brother that SLS didn't matter because it would be cancelled. We were on a tour bus and they were playing propaganda movies about SLS on the screens in the bus while we drove past all the cool shit like the crawler. She heard what I said and started to cry and argue with me at the same time, assuring me that SLS would succeed and it was terribly important to the future of NASA and would be great for America and all that. I think she was crying because part of her knew I was right.

Sometimes I still feel bad about it, I didn't mean for her to overhear me and I didn't want to make her cry. But I was right and maybe she shouldn't have been such a simp for bureaucratic wastelords.

Used Starlink for the first time: I stayed at this mountain resort in Tuscany Italy and holy fuck the signal was awful. it was like dialup.

>>16527645
you can stop strawmanning now

when will you guys stop responding to bait? I always thought it was an age problem on /vt/ but I guess we're all just birds of the same feather

>>16527611
volume scaling faster than surface area works in favor of larger sizes, but only if you don't need to scale the thickness of your tank walls and other structural components to compensate

besides that, you'd need fill the entire (100 m)^2 ass of your rocket with engines which is insane even if you can recover the whole thing and no one has accomplished full reusability even on a small scale

further, trying to engineer something that is radically different from everything that went before it is a recipe for catastrophic failure. even if there were some rationale for doing it and funding available, you'd still want to work your way up to that size by building progressively larger vehicles

>>16527662
Is there anything stopping some asshole from posting a gay, inflammatory shitpost and then responding angrily to himself in order to present the appearance of many (you)s?
Besides shame, obviously.

>>16527659
Did you measure the speed?

>>16527668
at least on /vt/, this gets your post deleted by the jannies

>>16527659
How many other people were using it?
Also, you're probably too young to remember how slow dialup actually was. Single images loading from the top to the bottom so slow you had time to go get a snack. These days if a latency spike slows down a page load for a second or two you have people who weren't alive in the 20th century claiming it's like dialup.

>>16527678
that's a muffin

>>16527679
based knower

>>16527516
gay. use ozone and get 50% more oxygen per oxygen

>I listen to soo many space podcasts/youtubers while designing hardware for the new pads. It always gasses me up to hear public opinion of our progress. Especially if they have something positive to say, it gives me so much energy to keep chugging away.
>Currently catching up on @Erdayastronaut‘s spacewalk series while designing new HP gas panels.
>Also frequently listen to @esherifftv002 for recent news and @CSI_Starbase for his take on our new GSE hardware.
PJ Michael, Fluid System Designer at SpaceX

https://x.com/PjMichael8/status/1873224296728019262

>>16527698
>Fluid System Designer
aka plumber

>>16527700
Plumbing is good honest work.

HLS airlock spotted in Starfactory

https://x.com/StarshipGazer/status/1873397449345368272

Chinese scientists have devised a method to destroy "Proliferated low earth orbit satellites" by manipulating the shape and yield of nuclear radiological clouds.

>>16527711
Doesn't work if their missiles are intercepted during boost.

>>16527711
You can post the pdf here

>>16527658
>he made a cute girl rocket fan cry
dumbass

>>16527719
unforgivable

wassup bros

>>16527614
chatgpt hands wrote this

>>16527710
how do you know that's the hls airlock?

>>16527751
A little bird told me.

>>16527756
Plovers confirmed breaking ITAR rules

Tritonchads, wya?

>>16527760
triton

>>16527698
why is he not verified as a member of spah chex?

>>16527761
What's it like?

>>16527545
Well, that's how Americans tend to react when you essentially declare that the purpose of government policy should be to maximize shareholder value, and that Americans are just a production input - one that low value for money and needs to be replaced by foreigners willing to work long hours for pennies

lul

>>16527767
chilly

>>16527769
Musk just said the quiet part out loud, I dunno why people are shocked.

>>16527738
the finding that dissimilar organs such as the eyes of insects, vertebrates and cephalopod molluscs, long thought to have evolved separately, are controlled by similar genes such as pax-6, from the evo-devo gene toolkit.

>>16527638
>Blue Origin was founded BEFORE SpaceX.
SX got the COTS/CRS contract, which paid for F9 development. BO did not. Bezos didn't start shelling out the big bux until around 10 years ago. What matters are engineering hours, not calendar hours. No bux = no engineering hours

>SAME opportunities to win government and commercial contracts
Market conditions were not the same. SX then had first mover advantage: since it could offer F9 cheaper than competitors (China was banned by ITAR) SX could fund R&D with operating margins. Any rocket was good enough to do this as long as it wasn't ULA tier expensive. For BO however, that was not good enough since they were not first mover. So BO wanted their first orbital rocket that would be significantly *better* than F9. Unfortunately for BO, they got leapfrogged again by SS/SH.

>>16527549
>his antiwhite spergout
QRD?

>>16527777
>>SX got the COTS/CRS contract, which paid for F9 development.
SpaceX had Falcon 1. Blue Origin had nothing, despite Jeff Bezos having more than ample resources to be years ahead of SpaceX.

>>16527773
Politicians usually pretend that they aren't bought and paid for by the magnates, and the magnates usually pretend that they don't consider workers to be just like any inanimate production input like aluminum or electricity. And of course a lot of people think it's true. If political theatrics didn't work on a lot of people, politicians wouldn't bother with them.

>>16527785
Mods do your job or I'm vtuberposting again

>>16527782
Falcon 1 was just a demonstrator to win the NASA contract. It was retired immediately after.

I'm not saying that SX didn't present a better case to NASA for why they should be awarded the COTS contract than BO did.

>despite Jeff Bezos having more than ample resources to be years ahead of SpaceX.
Bezos might've had a higher net worth at the time, however I think it was locked into Amazon stock and he could not easily cash out. Musk cashed out and re-invested much of his PayPal fortune into SpaceX. How much did Bezos invest? As far as I know, he was mostly focused on growing Amazon at the time.

Another boon for SX might've been that Musk managed to hire the TR-107 people, which gave them a head start on engine development experience, requiring less in-house R&D time and expenses.

>>16527549
For backtracking top work, it requires some kind of plausible excuse. Hard to find an excuse for what he's been writing for the last few days

>>16527549
For backtracking to work, it requires some kind of plausible excuse. Hard to find an excuse for what he's been writing for the last few days

>>16527791
Bezos had all the opportunity, money and first mover advantage but squandered all of it because he lacked the vision and risk taking that Elon Musk has. SpaceX continues to excel because it's lead by a man with these traits, while Blue Origin, still flush with cash, continues to accomplish fuck-all. The suggestion that SpaceX would be better off without Elon Musk is shear idiocy which reveals a severe lack of understanding for the trajectory and development of the entire space industry. It's pure reddit EDS.

>>16527797
He could wear this shirt for a while to excuse his behavior.
>>16527791
Bezos simply waited too long to focus on BO. He wanted to be a hands off CEO that would drop in from time to time and see all the wonderful progress his old space inspired company would produce. Then SpaceX easily outpaced them and he's been playing catch up ever since. I wonder if Jeff even likes running BO or if it's a necessary chore to get where he wants.

>>16527457
Someone mentioned ISRO launches satellites cheaper than space X so there's no point in importing Indians when they do a better job in their home country.
>>16527461
Never in my life have I ever had that image in my head nor even contemplated the possibilities. Truly degenerate.

>>16527800
>Hard to find an excuse for what he's been writing for the last few days
Can you please give me a QRD I don't want to go to X

>>16527478
Some degenerate homos on Twitter obsessed with, you know, the big gay.

>>16527807
>I wonder if Jeff even likes running BO or if it's a necessary chore to get where he wants.
At this point I think he's motivated by shear spite. We know he's spiteful because he's still manipulating Amazon to not launch Kuiper on SpaceX even though it's the most rational launch provider for Amazon. And I think there's ample reason to believe he doesn't have a genuine interest in much besides simping for his latina goblin gf on his yachts. Blue Origin is just an old project that he clings to because he can't admit that he failed and was beaten by Elon Musk. It's a drag on his life which he can't let go of.

>>16527517
Sir this is a Wendy's

>>16527804
The meteoric rise of Amazon's stock price shows that cashing out of Amazon back then to re-invest the money into Blue Origin would most likely not have been a good idea. Bezos seems to be first and foremost a software guy so it's not surprising that this is where his priorities were.

>Blue Origin, still flush with cash, continues to accomplish fuck-all
Ah yes, they've only developed several rocket engines and are on the cusp of an orbital launcher that would've been the most advanced in the world if not for SS/SH

>The suggestion that SpaceX would be better off without Elon Musk
That wasn't what I was suggesting. You're thinking of a previous poster. I was only commenting on the BO part in your post.

>>16527811
Jeff patiently waited for Elon to make a mistake.

>>16527813
Elon Musk made a very risky bet on SpaceX. Jeff Bezos wasn't willing to take risks and Blue Origin's lack of progress shows this.

>>16527545
>King of chuds
>Every rich liberal I know drives a Tesla and most California Commies have solar from Solar City

>>16527804
Running a start up often requires a different set of skills than running a mature company. Also Elon wasn't openly attacking hundreds of millions of people's livelihoods when SpaceX was starting up. Now for some reason he's decided it's smart to alienate the voters that politicians need to keep their jobs that run the government that gives contracts to his company. This isn't just about Musk and Trump. Congress is going to be a far bigger problem for him now that he's given their voters reason to hate him. Doubt many of them liked him anointing himself the head of the party when he demanded anyone who disagrees with him be excommunicated. Trump didn't understand Washington and got rolled constantly during his first term. Musk is an autistic spurg. The political machine will eat him if he keep acting like he's in charge.

>>16527569
H1B2
You're high if you don't think DARPA won't poach or abuse scientists regardless of country of origin.
Did you idiots forget all about WW2?

>>16527799

>>16527811
>SpaceX even though it's the most rational launch provider for Amazon.
SpaceX is a direct competitor to Kuiper. There is good reason to not give additional revenue to your competitor, to let them get a close look at your satellites, or to let them get detailed knowledge of your launch plans deep into the future

>>16527818
Running SpaceX as a "mature company" would mean absolute stagnation, the cancellation of Starship development so they can make reliable low-risk money with routine F9 launches for 30 years until before they know it they've become the Old Space. Your suggestion exemplifies the Old Space mentality. It is slow death. SpaceX needed and continues to need ambitious risk taking. You retard faggot.

>>16527819
My beloved

>>16527816
He took a risk. His bet was to focus on Amazon, and it probably paid off better than investing more in BO would have. In a hypothetical timeline where BO and SX were in neck-and-neck competition, margins would've been poor for both and it's likely that neither would've made much money.

>>16527816
Rockets are a dead end. Anyone not bucking the system, telling the haters to fuckoff and researching gravimetrics is a waste of time and effort. Humans aret doing shit without a unified theory of physics and the Cult of Einstein needs to be pogromed.

sfg hasn't been fun the last 3 days

>>16527811
Even Kuiper seems like a "well, I can do that too" cope. I'm sure it will have some benefit to Amazon but it's not really a natural fit for the company. If Jeff wasn't still a huge influence over Amazon, doubt they'd keep pursuing Kuiper.
But who knows, maybe some of it will work out for him. When Trump had 'The Apprentice', Mark Cuban tried to make his own version of the show that was a complete disaster and very embarrassing. But he turned around and did a guest spot on 'Shark Tank', which turned into a reasonably successful permanent role for him. Can Bezos find his own 'Shark Tank'?

>>16527828
I think /g/ might be a better fit for you.

>>16527813
>cusp
Lots of people have dreams that are forever on the cusp of being realized.

>>16527820
The government will just hand out citizenship to whoever it wants to work for it but that's quite different than non-government entities running immigration policy for their financial benefit.

>>16527829
Amazon is first and foremost a data center company. Low latency telecommunications infrastructure is absolutely a natural fit for their them. There is a credible value proposition in serving customers who want an option that doesn't involve giving money and traffic data to Elon Musk and which Elon Musk can't rug-pull.

>>16527822
>SpaceX is a direct competitor to Kuiper
Kuiper isn't a competitor to SpaceX if Amazon can't get a meaningful number of satellites launched in the first place. Refusing to launch with SpaceX is putting the cart before the horse. Amazon was rightly sued by their shareholders for this BTW, in response to which Amazon purchased a token number of launches from SpaceX.

Kuiper is planned to have more than three thousand satellites. They presently have a grand total of TWO (2) satellites.
Starlink presently has more than 7 THOUSAND satellites. To call Kuiper a Starlink competitor is an absolute joke. If they started launching now they'd be years behind, but instead they're obstinately refusing to launch on SpaceX rockets, choosing instead to wait on troubled rocket programs (Vulcan, Ariane 6, New Glenn) that will put them EVEN MORE years behind before they can even start in earnest.

Kuiper is DOA and Amazon will be facing even more shareholder lawsuits for this disaster of a program.

>>16527827
/x/tards like you are a cancer on /pol/ and you're even worse here.

>>16527824
>You retard faggot.
Why undermine your argument with this garbage? You also didn't address his main point that Musk is turning the country against himself. You may very well be correct that a "mature" SpaceX wouldn't have what it takes to develop Starship but none of that matters if its leader is destroying the company's ability to operate in the political environment they need on its side.

>>16527836
I dont think there have been rumblings of a star shield equivalent of Kuiper either.

>>16527826
>paid off better
In wealth? Sure. In space oriented results? Not even close. Since this is /sfg/ not /biz/, only space results matter.

>>16527836
>Kuiper isn't a competitor to SpaceX if Amazon can't get a meaningful number of satellites launched in the first place.
They can, especially when NG is operational, which is probably soon. As you said yourself, they only plan 3,000 satellites. This is perfectly viable with non-SX launchers.

>They can't match Starlink's satellite count
Kuiper's business plan is not, as far as I understand, to be "equal to Starlink." Kuiper's business plan is to be "the alternative to Starlink." People might have used China's Thousand Sails for this, however they will likely be banned in North America for some national security reason.

>>16527829
>Can Bezos find his own 'Shark Tank'?
Blue Origin COULD pivot to building space habitats, exploration probes, satellites, etc. In the same way they they COULD have become a major launch provider 15 years ago. They have the resources to succeed in just about any space endeavor they choose, but have a track record of squandering all opportunity because they are poorly lead.

So while Blue Origin COULD become the premiere space station and moon base manufacturer and operator, they won't.

>>16527840
Yes. I'm just trying to provide an explanation for why BO went the way it went and why merely comparing calendar hours passed since founding is a stupid type of analysis.

>>16527777
>actually SpaceX was founded before Blew Origin
for a take this dumb and gay I award you honorary european status

Adrian Dittmann is an AI

launch services won't matter anyways. everyone will launch on starship.

>>16527846
>actually SpaceX was founded before Blew Origin
When I said SX had "first mover advantage", I meant in the sense that they were the first to have a viable product on market (which was mainly thanks to the COTS contract for F9 development). Founding date does by itself nothing for first mover advantage.

>>16527842
New Glenn flying once might happen within a year. New Glenn flying often enough to launch three thousand satellites is several years away in the best case. If you factor in Blue Origin's knack for not getting shit done, the full Kuiper constellation launched on New Glenn is probably 10 years away at least.

>>16527838
/pol/ and reddit being mad at Elon Musk for simultaneously being a Nazi and not being a Nazi is not an existential threat to SpaceX's ability to operate. The Biden/Harris administration tried to be, but SpaceX deftly navigated that situation under the direction of Elon Musk. There is no other person in the entire industry more qualified to lead SpaceX than Elon Musk.

>Shotwell
If it were all left to her, SpaceX would be printing tons of money launching with F9 and occasionally F9 Heavy and the Starship project never would have started in the first place.

>>16527809
Essentially this
>>16527769
Also a lot of insults, lack of tact, abusing ownership of the platform against his critics, and generally a lot of very immature behavior

>>16527845
>Yes. I'm just trying to provide an explanation for why BO went the way it went
It all stems from poor decision making and priority setting from the top. The difference between Blue Origin and SpaceX is entirely due to the mentalities of their respective leadership.

>>16527850
SpaceX got a viable product first, despite being founded second, because they were highly driven and willing to take risks that Blue Origin never would.

>>16527852
>the full Kuiper constellation launched on New Glenn is going to take a lot of time
Probably. It explains why they bought a lot of launches on other rockets. They need to go faster to meet regulatory deadlines.

>>16527860
>they bought a lot of launches on other rockets.
They bought a bunch of launches on rockets which are still years away from routine flight, with already-obsolete architectures that should have been cancelled five years ago. It's a joke. The fact that you are humoring the joke is itself a joke.

any good animations showing the new glenn landing? I'm curious if we know how fast it will come in, what it will look like compared to f9

>>16527858
It's mainly because they got the COTS contract, which in turn was mainly because Musk was willing to cash out and fund the development of a demonstrator. Idk why you're so insistent on saying that one has more drive or risk appetite than the other. Both Musk and Bezos took business risks and in hindsight it seems that they both made what for them personally was the better choice. I don't think anyone can accuse Bezos of lacking "drive" at the time, considering what he then went on to do with Amazon.

>>16527854
thanks for the qrd

>>16527864
>it's because SpaceX moved faster because Musk was willing to take risks
Yeah, that's what I said.

>>16527819
we were ROBBED

>>16527862
>which are still years away from routine flight
Ariane 6 hopes to launch 6 times next year, as I understand it. Probably won't happen, but we'll see.

>already-obsolete architectures
From Amazon's perspective, it doesn't matter that Ariane 6 and Vulcan are obsolete, because they're just an interim solution.

>that should have been cancelled five years ago
Ariane 6 was designed on the premise of 13 launches per year. It's a design that makes perfect sense from that perspective. It would not have made sense to design a Falcon 9 style reusable rocket and throw the Ariane 5 industrial base into total disarray just to launch 13 times per year.

The 13 launches per year premise, in turn, makes sense because Europe lacks an industrial policy on space that would provide Airbus and Safran with the confidence that there will be a market for more than 13 launches per year during Ariane 6's amortization period.

>>16527873
It's a cute idea, but you have to realize how exceptionally gay it is to expend very expensive nukes for propulsion when there are alternatives. It's the ultimate in old space.

Only interstellar Orion makes sense and only then because we haven't built anything better yet. By the time humanity is ready for interstellar travel we'll probably be able to build non-explosive fusion drives.

>>16527875
>Ariane 6 hopes to launch 6 times next year, as I understand it
>aspires to 13 a year
Three thousand satellites here we come!!!
>>already-obsolete architectures
>From Amazon's perspective, it doesn't matter that Ariane 6 and Vulcan are obsolete
It does, because if those launch platforms aren't economically viable they won't launch often enough to launch Kuiper. Ariane 6 at least won't be cancelled outright, or at least Ariane Next will eventually exist to replace it, but the long term of Vulcan and ULA is seriously in doubt. They probably won't exist for long enough to make a dent on Kuiper.

That leaves New Glenn, the one of the three which hasn't even flown once yet, from the organization that has the least experience with putting anything into orbit (no experience at all.) And yet somehow that's their most promising bet. Kuiper won't get their constellation launched for 10 years at least.

>b-but SpaceX is their competitor, they don't want to pay their competition
How much money would they be handing SpaceX, their NOMINAL competitor, to launch Kuiper?
How much money are they instead going to be handing SpaceX, but not getting Kuiper active for years, letting SpaceX print money with a Starlink monopoly?

There is no business sense in refusing to use SpaceX to get a minimally viable Kuiper constellation launched. It's a decision motivated by pure spite.

>>16527885
Ariane 6 and Vulcan will be around for years, so BO has time to get their ducks in a row and make New Glenn ready to bear the whole burden of maintaining and/or expanding Kuiper.

>better to give SpaceX money or let Starlink maintain a monopoly
It's entirely possible that they might have miscalculated, but I can understand why Amazon back then would have thought that not giving SX money, not letting SX see their satellites, and not letting SX see a detailed long term launch schedules would be the more attractive option, especially given that back when the decision was taken people where more optimistic on A6/Vulcan/NG timelines

>>16527889
Vulcan will only be around for years if ULA is, and with only Vulcan and Delta to win contracts with, only the US government stupid enough to offer them contracts, and SpaceX continuing to poach those government contracts from them, ULA's future is in serious trouble.

>>16527858
You're high
They won the endless gibs contract and blue origin didn't.
Musk figured out a way to drive a wedge between DoD and Rocketdyne. Don't pretend NASA does anything without DoD's stamp of approval.
>>16527864
He didn't do anything with amazon, his blood thirsty underlings did that while he went to parties and played the politics game.

>>16527866
I almost guarantee you have no idea who rocketdyne is.

>>16527883
Ah yes, 500 or so nukes (that can be mass produced with current tech btw) to launch 3 MILLION kg to Mars, very gay and bad yes, so we need to go with the fusion 20 years in the future because that's what is straight and based.
>there are alternatives
Please enlighten me on what propulsion method we developed/studied in the last 60 years that's possible with CURRENT tech and can move 3000 TONS to Mars

>>16527892
Define gibs
Rewards for services tendered aren't gibs.

>>16527837
>Einstein is my god
>Antigravity is impossible
>FTL is impossible
This is your scripture.
You have Dunning Kruger and are the reason we can't have nice things.

>>16527892
>They won the endless gibs contract and blue origin didn't.
SpaceX won contracts because they took risks and developed their capabilities FAR faster than Blue Origin. SpaceX behaved this way because they were lead by Elon Musk.

>>16527894
I can almost guarantee you that you are trying to establish some sort of credibility, after getting broadly BTFO throughout the rest of the thread, by vaguely referencing old space companies without having any substantive point to make.

>>16527897
Go be schizophrenic on /pol/.

>>16527891
Tory Bruno said Vulcan has a 70 mission backlog. As long as they still have NSSL and/or Kuiper contracts to launch, there is no reason for ULA to fold.

ULA has NSSL contracts locked in at least until 2026. The USG will cetainly keep giving new NSSL contracts to ULA until there is another American launch provider who can credibly take ULA's place, such as, BO. The USG doesn't want to be dependent on a single launch provider, although it is of course theoretically possible after the results of the 2024 election that Musk might pull the necessary strings and pay the necessary bribes to try to make it happen anyway.

>>16527832
DARPA and ARPA-E are almost entirely run by contractors you mouth breathing retard. They get what they want when they wanted and in the amounts they want it whenever they want it.

IBM owns unified physics.

>>16527901
ULA is already losing contracts off their books to SpaceX. That Vulcan backlog isn't set in stone, they won't actually get to do many if not most of them.

>>16527896
I can't tell if you're lying or just have no idea how a government contract works. live
>>16527898
>Everyone I'm arguing with is the same person
I have no idea what the fuck you're talking about.

The only thing that outshines your obsession with sucking Musk's cock is your total ignorance on how government contracts work at all.

>>16527904
That's because Vulcan can't launch, not because the USG is unwilling to pay for Vulcan launches

>>16527900
>Schizo
ah, you're Jewish now all the pilpul and complete lack of coherent argument comes from. Your entire argument is repetition of lies while making on substantiated statements.

The irony is not only have you not refuted anything I've said: you can't.

>>16527907
Vulcan will continue to not be able to launch frequently enough to satisfy their single customer, and they will continue to lose contracts to SpaceX. Each time this happens is another nail in ULA's coffin.

>>16527910
It's only a "nail in their coffin" if they perform so few launches that they fail to sustain the necessary cash flow to keep the lights on and run out of money

>>16527909
This general is for spaceflight, both real and technologically plausible. It isn't for magical UFO "gravimetrics" retard nonsense. Go be a /pol/ schizo someplace else.

>>16527910
They lost because SpaceX got the government contract and Blue Origin didn't. That's how funding works you mouth breathing moron.

SpaceX still can't beat IRSO launch costs, SpaceX just has bigger payload capacity and DoD wants a dedicated vendor in the US because that makes grifting easier.

if you dont think Vulcan will keep its 70 gov launches planned you're an idiot

>>16527914
>FTL isn't possible
>Anti Gravity isn't possible
>Einstein is god
Yes, you've already chanted your religious mantra, Moshi.

>>16527913
You know ULA is for sale and nobody is particularly keen on buying them, right? Their most valuable assets are their property and infrastructure, not their order book.

>>16527915
SpaceX got the contracts and Blue Origin didn't because SpaceX had a proven track record of rapid technological development while Blue Origin was fiddling around accomplishing fuck-all. The fact that you are subscribing to the
>the government gifted success to SpaceX and Elon had nothing to do with it
narrative is truly telling

>>16527918
Yes, everyone knows that ULA doesn't have a long term future, and everyone knows that Boeing and LockMart are greedy fucks who want to be paid top dollar for junk. That's not relevant; the relevant timespan we're talking about is only the next few years.

>>16527917
>incoherent /pol/tard noises

>>16527920
ULA is for sale now. The relevant timescale is however long it would plausibly take ULA, Ariane and Blue Origin to launch three thousand Kuiper satellites, and that is longer than Vulcan's certain future.

>>16527921
I love that you're so mad that I outed you for being a religious cultist and knowing nothing about science.

Stay mad moshi.

FTL IS possible (you'll deny this because it goes against your religion)
Anti Gravity IS possible (you'll deny this because it goes against your religion)
Einstein was a hack (this makes you maddest of al).

>>16527919
>Proven track record
Meaningless hand waving you can't and wont substantiate
>Blue origin was fiddling around
More meaningless hand waving devoid of substance

Yes, your obvious narrative is very telling.

You don't know shit about government contracts and saying nothing of substance.

Are you the same Jew lying about gravity research? Would make sense you're incapable of spewing anything but pilpul.

>>16527923
Just because ULA gets sold doesn't mean they immediately cease operations and get dismantled.

A major reason why ULA is for sale right now is probably because Boeing wants to sell off non-core assets to raise cash. Boeing is potentially facing a major cash crunch and recently decided to both borrow more money and also issue new shares.

>The relevant timescale is however long it would plausibly take ULA, Ariane and Blue Origin to launch three thousand Kuiper satellites,
The relevant timescale is now long it takes until NG attains a high cadence

>>16527924
>I know all of this is true because I read lots of posts about Nazi UFOs from Antarctica on /pol/

>>16527916
Only about 21 of those are government launches. 38 of the 70 are launching Kupier, 7 are launching Dream Chaser, which leaves ~4 that were penciled in for unspecified payloads from customers like Intelsat and SES.

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>>16527662
>>16527711
>uhh we just use nukes
not gonna happen.

>>16527931
I thought there were 70 for NSSFetc specifically?

>>16527927
>>Proven track record
>Meaningless hand waving you can't and wont substantiate
Launching shit into space.
>>Blue origin was fiddling around
>More meaningless hand waving devoid of substance
Launching nothing into space.

Gee, I wonder why one of them got a contract to... hold on let me check my notes.... launch shit into space.

>>16527923
Considering the only companies willing to pay for ULA (Blue and Serria Nevada) have backed off who is even left? Northrup, RTX, and L3Harris?

>>16527933
we're talking about spaceflight now not h1bs though...?

>>16527929
And just like that you go full Cult of Einstein.
You jews are all the same.

I win: you lose.

Say the line Moshi: antigravity is impossible (according to my religion).

>>16527937
(You)
I doubt Beoing will want Lockheed to get full control.

>>16527937
The government organizing some sort of shady merger with Blue Origin is probably the most likely outcome. After all, such government intervention is how ULA came to exist in the first place, and of all the candidates Blue Origin makes the most sense on account of being the supplier for Vulcan's main engines.

>>16527936
LOL
>gets accused of vapid assertions
>Makes more vapid assertions

Cool story moshi.

>>16527933
oh I see, my brain filtered out the schizo posts in the midst lol

>>16527769
obsessive retard uses AIslop
not surprising

So what happened in the last thread to get it nuked?

>>16527941
Boeing wants out of space development entirely, they'd be happy to drop SLS too.

>>16527944
>>16527933
>Jew gets mad for spewing jewary and pilpul
>Cries about it
Every time.

yo look at this

>>16527946
/pol/tards shitted it up because they're mad at Elon Musk for not being the nazi they thought he was.

>>16527948
I actually am jewish, I haven't replied to any of your posts until now, been happily observing from a distance. happy hanukah mate, take some MIT OCW general/special relativity 101 please

>>16527947
Boeing is going to get absorbed into Lockheed Martin in our lifetime.

>>16527906
>>16527927
>you just don't know how government contracts work
Explain it then
When was SpaceX given a dime for something they clearly haven't provided or demonstrated as part of any NASA contract?

>>16527952
Parts of them. I doubt their main airliner business will, Lockheed deliberately got out of that business a long time ago and have not made any moves to get back into it.

>>16527935
There were only supposed to be 30-34 payloads in total for the Phase 2 award, and Vulcan got 60%. Tory saying he has 70 launches on the books is him scraping together everything he has from all of ULA customers. Vulcan has a share of of the Phase 3 award, but there haven't been any size or percentage details disclosed for that, and even if there had been the 70 launch figure predates it.

>>16527951
>Einstein Cultist spews Cult of Einstein
I consult grad students working for DARPA. It takes me longer to get them to unlearn what they think they know than to explain how things actually work.

The irony is palpable.

>>16527953
>Contracts are awarded for merit
>>16527954
Chengdu will probably take the airliner business--they're already building many of the parts already.

>>16527953
because they were better than Kistler or t/Space or SpaceHab lel

>>16527955
What it basically boils down to is nobody is looking at ULA's order book, Vulcan's economic capabilities, and deciding "I could make my money back if I bought ULA." It's a dead company walking.

>>16527950
Oh wow who would’ve thought the environmentalist who just recently went to the right wasnt a confederate or a nahtzee. Some of you are total idiots

>>16527956
relativity is proven beyond a doubt, JILA's clocks have measured differences in dilation at a mm scale https://doi.org/10.1038/s41586-021-04349-7

go back to /x/ please

>>16527957
The US government would never allow the sale of Boeing's airliner business to a foreign company. If Boeing's collapse cannot be somehow avoided, they'd sooner be bought by the government than allow the Chinese to buy it. Boeing's airline side of the business isn't just a commercial enterprise (which alone would have strategic implications anyway), it also is deeply intertwined with the American military.

>>16527956
how do things actually work then? is there actually luminiferous aether?
right now you just seem like a schizo. denying relativity is as retarded as being a flerf. or do you have a different explanation of the moon precession, because de Sitter kinda got it right 110 years ago

>>16527963
>Relativity is proven beyond a doubt
Which one? General or special?
Also they use Lorentz's formula (the guy who actually invented spatial dilation) to calculate clocks in satellite timing.

Show me the unified physics you use to show scalar gravity that connects special and general relativity: I'll wait.

>>16527959
Pretty much. 70 is an impressive number until you realize that 95% of it is coming from just three customers. USGov will shed payloads to SpaceX if Vulcan continues to be delayed or under-perform, Kupier only lasts if the shareholder lawsuit breaks in ULA's favor, and Dream Chaser's launches can all go up in smoke if the orbiter doesn't actually work right.

Even if relativity is wrong, all that means is we fall back on classical Newtonian mechanics. Relativity being wrong doesn't grant us antigravity magic.

>>16527966
>You seem like a schizo
You lack the intellectual capacity to even think it can work.

You're spewing religion not science and are mad at me for calling you on it.

>>16527965
Why not? It had no issue exporting the microprocessor industry or the auto industry.

>>16527969
go to bed Weinstein

>>16527973
Microprocessors are made in Taiwan, aka the China which is closely aligned with America, not communist China. Chinese autos are banned in America, the Asian cars which America imports are made in Japan and Korea, which again, are both closely aligned with America.

Boeing doesn't go to the communist Chinese. You are being retarded.

>>16527906
if the govt buys a pen, the govt is not giving that pen company a subsidy, it's giving it a contract to make pens for them that they will buy.

>>16527979
Amazing that you need to explain this. Lefties have no idea how the basic exchange of money for goods and services works.

>>16527927
>/pol/schizo whining that people won't give his retarded schizodrives the light of day is also the retard imagining that spacex got gibs.
lol

>>16527979
It is if they buy the pen for $1000.

>>16527975
>Cult of Einstein big mad
>>16527979
>>16527981
>I don't know how government contracts work so I'll make a grossly simplified and completely false analogy
A) I never said subsidy that was you so you're already either lying about what I said or misrepresenting it (or just retarded)
B) A purchase is not the same as a long term contract
C) You're doubling down on lying if you're going to pretend government contracts are awarded on merit

Keep going Moshi, watching you spin lies amuses me.

>>16527971
newtonian mechanics are simply wrong, though. Like as wrong as geocentrism. flat-out wrong. It's just what we tell kids so they can do phys 1 problems. It's an approximation of what happens when you look at mechanics without considering stress/energy tensor. Oh wow, things simplify if you say c is infinity.... wowwww....

The evidence for relativity is so overwhelming that some schizos refuse to be in the 'in-group' because their brain issues then take hold

>>16527978
he's a schizo of course he's retarded

>>16527985
>Loses argument
>Gets called out for lying and making unsubstantiated claims
>Cries about it
Many such cases.

can we kick out the /pol/ schizo please.
There is no benefit to sfg for a "jew physics are wrong!" racist idiot replying to everything here

spess flight

>>16527978
he's not being retarded, he is a retard, a very neurotic one at that.

>>16527971
>Any science I don't understand must be magic
Dunning Kruger: you got it bad
>>16527988
>Einstein cultist keeps chanting their religion
It's amusing how much you claim to believe in science while being completely oblivious to your religious zealotry in denying everything about the history of science.

Your scripture of relativity (non unified physics) is over 100 years old and you get so irrationally mad at anyone who questions it--while pretending to not be a religious zealot

Fucking hilarious.

>Rockets are a dead end. Anyone not bucking the system, telling the haters to fuckoff and researching gravimetrics is a waste of time and effort. Humans aret doing shit without a unified theory of physics and the Cult of Einstein needs to be pogromed.

>>16527965
Several aviation message boards think Boeing is going to be broken up with the aircraft division being bought up by the newly formed GE Aerospace. The biggest problem I see with that is GE Aerospace makes engines for many aircraft manufacturers. If they start building planes themselves, would they be seen by their customers as competitors? But the people on the forums have been involved in the industry far longer and much deeper than I have so maybe they're right.
Which brings up the question of what would happen to Boeing's space division? And what about its partial ownership of ULA?

>>16527987
>/pol/schizo is also incapable of understanding basic economics
who would have thought that?

>>16527987
You still haven't explained it lol

Tell us, what convinced NASA to give ANYTHING to SpaceX? It apparently isn't merit which leaves us with in this weird position of SpaceX (who was a literal who limped a single rocket to orbit) but given contracts over established contractors with a hell of a lot more pull with NASA and Congress.

>>16527990
>contrarianbrained newfag creates argument in his head that nobody actually bothered to engage with
>hands himself a medal for winning argument that never happened while people laugh at him
why do they do this?

>>16527998
well sonny, you see the concepts of basic economics are also JEWISH and therefore invalid because I'm a dumb pol racist. Simple facts

https://youtu.be/YBocHXK098c
Bezos>Elon
This is the new consensus

so was this gravimeme creature ITT the reason for most of the sperging out yesterday or was that someone else?

>>16527891
Beñoz will buy ULA if it goes out of business

>>16527993
>Can't win an argument on facts
Cries about it
>>16527978
>China imports bad
>Making all the parts in china and assembling them in the USA good
>I'll pretend ARM doesn't exsist
>x86 REEE
lol

>>16528004
I put my vote on /g/ spillover. and there is a contingent on /g/ that really doesn't like Indians.

>>16527998
>Jew spews more jewish pilpul
shocker
>>16528000
They won't. They're still frothing at the mouth mad because I correctly identified them as an ati science religious zealot.

>>16528000
It'd be funny if it turned out to be something as small as an administrator at NASA being treated poorly by a old space rep so he meddled with the selection criteria until SpaceX was the "winner".

>>16527569
Elon said he wants to remove ITAR so that he can replace all of SpaceX with foreign workers.

>hmmm I dunno guys, we've experimentally shown relativity is correct over and over and over and over again over the past 120 years
>"NOOO you're anti-science!!! the fact that there is a (jewish) consensus regarding relativity means its WRONG!!! FTL is possible if we POGROM THE JEWS!!!

it's tiring

you faggots are going to get the thread deleted again talk about spaceflight

>>16528000
Contracts aren't awarded for merit: I don't see why this is difficult for you but it clearly is.
>>16528002
>Government contracts have anything to do with economics
more jewish pilpul--it's all so tiresome

>>16527895
I concede that an imaginary rocket is perfect for imaginary payloads. It's useless for any near term payloads.

It's like you didn't notice that starship exists and will be much less expensive.

Even in imagination land what do you gain by putting all your payload together?

>>16528017
not my fault we have a modern day Tooker in our midst

>>16527956
>I consult grad students working for DARPA. It takes me longer to get them to unlearn what they think they know than to explain how things actually work.
Ah, so you're one of those crackpots who spams PhD students which your schitzo ideas. Lol. This is not the flex you think it is. The fact you immediately leap to "religion" and "cults", rather than saying something meaningful about your ideas, tells me all I need to know. People who are actually interested in physics don't communicate this way.

>>16527996
>GE Aerospace makes engines for many aircraft manufacturers. If they start building planes themselves, would they be seen by their customers as competitors?
It doesn't really seem that different from the situation Blue Origin is in building engines for ULA. The world will find a way to keep turning

I'm not sure if the space division would survive a breakup like that intact. I could see it getting divided up itself between various interested parties, if only so they could get paid for fulfilling Boeing's last round of obligations.

>>16528017
>you faggots
it's one schizo having a melty

>>16528014
>Cult of Einstein triples down on pushing their religious narrative
Hilarious

Einstein was a hack and your anti science cult-chant is hilarious.

I'm still waiting for that unified theory of yours, moshi.

>>16528022
it's just racism. He can't admit that jews aren't da devil, so he correlates anything Jewish to lies. Thus the porgrom-this and pilpul-that. it's just /pol/. Report and ignore

>>16528022
You are so big mad about me insulting Einstein and standard model its hilarious how far you'll go to pretend it isn't 100 years old garbage.

You're in a Cult.

>>16528027
>It's raycist to point out that Einstein stole his ideas from others
LOL, he didn't even write E=MC^2

You jews love to lie and push science cultism it's unreal how far you'll go to do it.

>>16528019
Then why was SpaceX awarded anything if not on merit?

>>16528026
notice how you haven't made any actual arguments or pointed to any non-loopy studies that prove your point.
it's because you don't have any, you're doing a bunch of frantic angry fingerpointing into thin air as a substitute for actually building up your argument, mr. schizo

>>16528009
It stopped being about Indians when Musk and Ramaswamy started attacking Americans in their posts.
>>16528017
As long as Elon Musk is the head of SpaceX and SpaceX is pretty much the definition of spaceflight, he will continue to be a topic of discussion, just as he has been for the past several hundred /sfg/ threads before the current controversy. You're just trying to cope with him having done something epically stupid that has the potential to harm SpaceX and by extension, progress in spaceflight. He chose to do that, no one here made him act autistic. Pretending that it didn't happen and that there won't be repercussions won't make those repercussions any less real. His autism might end up setting spaceflight back years.

Welp, another Space Flight General turned into a /pol/ thread about jews and jeets.

Time for more vtubers! Did you know Ironmouse has a daughter?

>>16528019
haha yeah but ohoho yeah they actually are, sorry buddy.

>>16528021
>>16528025
>>16528017
Big mad jews can't counter any arguments and cry about it.

Cult of Einstein at it's finest.

>>16528024
Hope they have a public fire sale auction. I can't afford to buy a Starliner capsule but such auctions usually have inexpensive lots that contain interesting company junk.

>>16528020
>non answer
lol
>what do you gain by putting all your payload together?
LMAO

>>16528042
>i-i'm gonna reply to everyone at the same time, take that jews!
it's really fun to poke jumpy guys like this, you never know what comes out of it's mouth next.

BAU BUA BAU
>BAU
BAU BAU BAU BAU BAU
BAU BAU
BAU
>BAU BAU

>>16527996
Banks forced Airbus and Boeing to allow more than one engine option so GE isn't in a rush to fuck with that.

>>16528037
How old is her daughter?

>>16528035
>No you
point 1: Government contracts aren't awarded for merit
Point 2: the Cult of Einstein doesn't have a unified theory but will attack anyone for claiming Anti-Gravity is possible
>Point three: You haven't substantiated any of your points and still haven't but you're attacking me for pointing out the flaws in your argument.
>>16528040
>Government contracts are awarded for merit
LOL
Next you'll be telling me congress doesn't do insider trading.

>>16528047
based vtuber poster.

This is why I love this general. You get Redditors and /pol/ coming together to uhh... discuss things.

>>16528003
>physicist
>can't do basic math

PIIIIII PI PI PI PI PI PI PI PI PI PI PI PI

>>16528051
Maybe 10+/teens, she talked and tweeted about her before vshojo

>>16528046
>nooo I'm not in a Cult
LOL
Ironically I know exactly what will come out of your mouth next. I'm still waiting for that unified theory, Moshi.

Why does the Martian landscape seem so comfy?

>>16528049
beat me to it, seconding this
(i'm jewish btw, the schizo is talking to a bunch of goyim but he doesn't know that)

>>16528009
You just also go to /g/. Everyone hates Indians.

>>16528051
meant for
>>16528049
/sfg/ Big Lateeno Teetoolees general

>>16528050
>AAAA NOOOO BUT YOU DON'T KNOW EVERYTHING IN THE UNIVERSE AND HAVE AN ANSWER TO EVERYTHING
>therefore my schizotheory that explains far less than yours is true
kek, literal flattard logic.

>>16528054
what did sabine do now? i didnt watch the video despite posting it

cool space photo, not connected to anything in this thread I swear:^)

>Most galaxies have a single nucleus -- does this galaxy have four? The strange answer leads astronomers to conclude that the nucleus of the surrounding galaxy is not even visible in this image. The central cloverleaf is rather light emitted from a background quasar. The gravitational field of the visible foreground galaxy breaks light from this distant quasar into four distinct images. The quasar must be properly aligned behind the center of a massive galaxy for a mirage like this to be evident. The general effect is known as gravitational lensing, and this specific case is known as the Einstein Cross. Stranger still, the images of the Einstein Cross vary in relative brightness, enhanced occasionally by the additional gravitational microlensing effect of specific stars in the foreground galaxy.

>>16528058
yay another sfg jew

>>16528053
Einstein Cultists don't discuss: they push their religion.
Rockets are antiquated garbage and Elon is a Grifter leaching taxpayers using government contractors and god knows how much congress has made on insider trading.

>>16528024
That's the thing, Beoings Artimus contracts are fixed price right? So there may not even be a chance to make money on the last contracts.

>>16528047
cute dogs. do you think they like spaceflight?

/sfg/ Pink Cat Good!

>>16528057
Looks quite

>It is difficult to hide a galaxy behind a cluster of galaxies. The closer cluster's gravity will act like a huge lens, pulling images of the distant galaxy around the sides and greatly distorting them. This is just the case observed in the featured image recently re-processed image from the Hubble Space Telescope. The cluster GAL-CLUS-022058c is composed of many galaxies and is lensing the image of a yellow-red background galaxy into arcs seen around the image center. Dubbed a molten Einstein ring for its unusual shape, four images of the same background galaxy have been identified. Typically, a foreground galaxy cluster can only create such smooth arcs if most of its mass is smoothly distributed -- and therefore not concentrated in the cluster galaxies visible. Analyzing the positions of these gravitational arcs gives astronomers a method to estimate the dark matter distribution in galaxy clusters, as well as infer when the stars in these early galaxies began to form.

>>16528063
actually i'm not jewish, i just claim to be jewish sometimes or make remarks a jew would make because it puts nu/pol/ creatures on edge and makes them even more paranoid, they ruined what used to be one of my favourite boards.

>>16528066
>Rockets are antiquated garbage
What do you propose instead?

>>16528062
Just read the title. Bezos' plan is basically science fiction. Say what you will about Mars colonization, it's just industrialization plus one more machine for air. Putting all mining and manufacturing in LEO is fantasy. The numbers don't work. None of it works.

>Can one galaxy hide behind another? Not in the case of SDP.81. Here the foreground galaxy, shown in blue in an image taken by the Hubble Space Telescope, acts like a huge gravitational lens, pulling light from a background galaxy, shown in red in an image taken in radio waves by the Atacama Large Millimeter Array (ALMA), around it, keeping it visible. The alignment is so precise that the distant galaxy is distorted into part of a ring around the foreground galaxy, a formation known as an Einstein ring. Detailed analysis of the gravitational lens distortions indicate that a small dark satellite galaxy participates in the deflections, bolstering indication that many satellite galaxies are quite dim and dominated by dark matter. That small galaxy is depicted by a small white dot on the left. Although spanning only a few arcseconds, the featured Einstein ring is really tens of thousands of light years across.

at least post the space/ astronaut themed vtubers

>>16528069
i dont like this vtuber, the way she fervently denies her past is lame.

>>16528057
no niggers or jews

>>16528070
quite what?

Threadly reminder to Einstein Shills:
Lorentz, not Einstein came up with Frame Transitions
Poincare, not Einstein, came up with C as a universal constant
Hasenohry, not Einstein, published E=3/8MC^2 not Einstein
Bohm, not Einstein, came up with what is now called entanglement.

FTL transfer of information has been experimentally proven and the foundation of "Standard Model Physics" was published in 1905.

>>16528073
just like his whining about physics, he doesn't have any proposal of his own, he knows any retarded schizostudy he posts here will be laughed out of the room so instead he desperately tries to keep shifting attention to the theory that has infact recieved scrutiny and is capable of doing so without instantly falling apart.
such is the life of the /pol/schizo, he really does need to take his lithium.

>>16528077
Agree, but now we got Shondo, who is all the old Nyanners and more.

>>16528084
Shondo is cute, but she scares me sometimes

>>16528073
Not them but the goal should be asteroid mining and outer space manufacturing. Silicon tech is at it's thermal limit for junction size and gravity fucks up growing crystals. There is no reason to not be using cross bridged (doped) graphene for computing beyond that it's hard to manufacture in a gravity well.

>>16528044
But you haven't answered the question either. What do you need to carry to Mars that Starship can't carry? The only way to justify an extremely expensive rocket is with an extremely important payload. So where's your payload?

I conceded that you could use it for extremely large payloads. So what are they?

>>16528083
He's right.
Standard model physics is a dead end.

>>16528073
mass drivers. unfortunately they aren't viable on earth but they will be a mainstay of lunar and martian launch

how do these people end up here? just runoff from /sci/ or is someone actively linking /sfg/ again?

>>16528093
its /pol/.

GOD BLESS THE MODS

finally, arigatou, mod-san

>>16528074
Since the resources are not easily accessible? Makes me wonder what is the most realistic path to the Bezos future, even if it took centuries

upcoming launches

>Mods delete all the posts criticizing Einstein
The absolute state of 4chan

now back to the topic at hand, if how likely do you think it is that new glenn will succesfull land it's 1st stage on it's 1st flight?
what percentage?
i give it a 40% chance, even though they've never gone orbital, they do have quite a bit of experience with retropropulsion, even if it's nowhere near this scale.

my hunch is that if the 1st stage fails, it will do so due to re-entry heating, which is something they haven't built any expertise on.

>>16528079
quiet

>>16528083
He was talking about the lack of unified physics, why is that wrong?

>>16528103
100%.
>Why?
Because it will. It either does, or it doesn't. And it will.

>>16528094
Its always /pol/. Always. The scourge of the site

>>16528101
you never actually provided any criticisms mr. schizo, you just had a little tantrum and didn't actually make any points or arguments.

>>16528103
>Back to the topic at hand
Elon musk using government contracts to grift taxpayers?

>>16528103
I think it'll go fine. However if it DOESN'T go fine, I expect the next 3 to also not go fine

>>16528101
If Einstein is wrong being a retarded schizo and off topic posting is not the right way to prove it. Presumably the easiest way to convince the world would be to publish one's results, and not shitpost on /sfg/.

One wonders why such a rare genius would spend so much effort trying to convince people whose opinions don't matter and who clearly are not open to his ideas.

>>16528111
>>16528101
looks like he didn't actually get banned, what a shame, really would've been nice to talk about rockets again.

>>16528113
because other forums require accounts that get banned hehehe

any rumblings about a NG rideshare program like what SpaceX has? I dont think Ive seen any news about it

>>16528110
>Everyone who disagrees with me is the same person
Get help
The post that pointed out Einstein got credit for the work of Lorentz, Poincare, Hasenohrl and Bohm and that Relativity is 100 years old was 100% fact.
It's almost like the mod is in this thread and went scorched earth for shitting on Einstein and relativity

>>16528115
>>16528119
so you're aware that nobody likes you and you're actually hurting your cause by coming off as an autistic socially unaware sperg and not talking about fucking rockets in the spaceflight general, right? you retarded faggot.

>>16528088
out of the top of my head, not even gonna mention the interstellar capabilities
>large scale space station modules
>heavy industrial machinery (100s to 1000s of tons)
>bring BACK things from inner and outer solar system
>heavy duty vehicles
>entire colonies devided by modules in one go
>asteroid mining operations (those fuckers are heavy)
>planetary defence/attack (God willing this will never be needed)
>Giga-watt space based solar power stations
>low travel time to planets in case of emergency (within reason)
basically
>be the back bone of the entirety of inner and outer space infrastructure
I'm not saying we ONLY need the Orion, but that's like saying the train made no difference in westward expansion. With economy of scales it could even be cheaper than starship, using less nukes with more payload to further distances, also, Starship is limited by the availability of methane, with orion there's nothing within the solar system that's too far to pack fuel to in one go
and again, all this is possible with CURRENT tech

>>16528114
I have no idea what you're on about
Are you a mod or something l?

>>16528123
if i was i'd go scorched earth on niggers like you

Janitor earned his wage today

>>16528125
double the wage even

>>16528120
>I speak for other people
>Everyone who I don't like is the same person
What case?
Is there something wrong with advocating a unified theory to replace the antiquated garbage of standard model?

>>16528086
That means its working!

>>16528125
>>16528127
>Deleting ideas I don't agree with is victory
Everything wrong with Nu4chan

>>16528121
>Starship is limited by the availability of methane
Methane is just a fancy name for natural gas
We have plenty of it.
Starship is more limited with liquid oxygen supply.

make a thread

>>16528132
plenty of oxygen in the oceans. we could get alantropa going https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantropa

>>16528128
>uuuuh why are you speaking for other people in /sfg/ SpaceFlight General by saying that schizo's aren't welcome and people just want to talk about rocketry and actual spaceflight instead.
lol
>is there something wrong with advocat-
you're not advocating though, you're having a fit because your specific gravimeme ideas get rejected for being retarded.
everyone wants a unified theory, you're not putting up a strong argument by whining that people don't accept your theory that explains less than the current model.

>>16528132
>limited by LOX supply
It's pulled out of thin air using COTS equipment, the market will meet the demand.

>>16528103
based on absolutely nothing I say 80% chance of nominal ascent and given nominal ascent 25% chance of sticking the landing

>>16528133
A thread about WATAMELON

>>16528113
>Talk about a unified theory and gravimetric research in a thread about space launch platforms is le bad
You're a flat earther my dude.

>>16528139
webb comparisons are neat

>>16528144
Even if you got a unified theory, there's no reason to believe that would somehow suddenly give you antigravity magic. And if relativity is simply wrong and we therefore ignore it, what are we left with? Antigravity? No. Newtonian mechanics.

Rockets are real. Antigravity is science fiction nonsense. It has no place in this thread.

>>16528137
>You're advocating
I don't know at all what you're accusing me of. Dude posted about Einstein being a hack and standard model being shit and mods nuked him.

It's almost like you are saying standard model isn't a dead end but anti gravity is impossible so we shouldn't talk about it while pretending that's how science works.

>>16528136
Air seperation is the current solution.
It also gives nitrogen which is necessary for the current infrastructure.

>>16528138
It's not built yet which is the point. No one can pretend that building the largest air speration plant in the world isn't a pretty massive undetaking on itself. Even if just standard equipment, the production lines probably don't even exist for the scale necessary that SpaceX would require.

>>16528119
Tbh, the question of whether Einstein's work was stolen from others or not seems kinda extraneous to the prospect of antigravity science being suppressed and also spaceflight which is the nominal topic of this general.

>>16528149
>No one can pretend that building the largest air speration plant in the world isn't a pretty massive undetaking on itself.
Just build a few more normal sized LOX plants, it's not some sort of great obstacle to the Starship program. Once the demand is clearly there, the market will build up the supply.

>>16528152
the problem is the demand will be entirely starship. Which makes me think spacex will buy some company and do it in-house. Unless they can convince a major mfg to buy into a multi year deal to build up the capability

Wow thats a lotta deleted posts.

I love the N1!

>>16528147
>Anti gravity is magic
>Antigravity is science fiction
Do you even listen to yourself? This doesn't sound like science at all. Gravity is a fundamental force are you saying it's an immutable fact? I remember when Parker predicted the solar winds and people like you called him a nutter.

If your point is we don't have it yet, that's fine just say that but you seem to think it's impossible so not only ignore it but mick anyone who tries and your justification is a 100 year old theory...

>>16528153
They'll probably build their own LOX plants if for no other reason than because the tanker truck traffic will become a problem if the LOX isn't being taken care of very nearby. But I don't expect SpaceX to start developing their own process for it, they'll just buy it from one of the companies that already does this sort of thing.

>>16528150
>Relatively has nothing to do with space flight
Whew lad.
Right now ftl communication is exactly what we need for space projects.

>>16528160
>
ok, so go get busy and report back if there is a paper published, or real hardware. otherwise go away

>>16528160
Wanting FTL communication doesn't mean you get it. Whining about Einstein being a jew won't get you antigravity. Complaining that the people telling you to fuck off aren't being scientific isn't going to make your schizo babble any more convincing.

Go away.

antigravity is lame anways, call me when we have antistrong or antiweak interactions lol

>>16528162
Why are you misrepresenting my argument? Why are you so hostile to being disagrees with and dishonest about it.

Ftl communication is predicated on entanglement and that is already being heavily researched.

It isn't "wanted" it is necessary

>>16528160
That aspect of relatively doesn't reall seem to, yeah.

>>16528161
>What is the Rubidium time standard and Lorentz constant
Ok, now what

>In physics, the no-communication theorem (also referred to as the no-signaling principle) is a no-go theorem in quantum information theory. It asserts that during the measurement of an entangled quantum state, it is impossible for one observer to transmit information to another observer, regardless of their spatial separation. This conclusion preserves the principle of causality in quantum mechanics and ensures that information transfer does not violate special relativity by exceeding the speed of light.

"muh entanglement" is also schizobabble for FTL. idiots dont realize that if you 'agree' what the measurement will be beforehand of an entangled pair thing of course you can transmit FTL, jeez

>>16528166
take your lithium

>>16528143

any dates on the next starship launch?

>>16528155
BUmper-WAC lover here

>>16528169
it has been canceled because FTL travel is right around the corner, we just have to holocaust the entirety of the physics community and put schizos in charge

>>16528164
Quantum entanglement doesn't allow you to transmit information faster than light. You should know that already, but you've been consuming too much popsci slop.

>>16528169
1/10/25

>>16528173
this is sfg please use ISO format
2025-01-10

>>16528167
>SPDC is fake because my 100 year old non unified theory says so.
>Gets mad at anyone who questions standard model
Whew lad.

>>16528160
4ASS already designed a quantum based ansible.

>>16528173
October? I can't wait that long.

>>16528172
There is more than one type of entanglement.
I love that you're unironically Shilling a non unified physics from 1900 as if it's gospel.

>>16528099
There basically isn't one. It's science fiction.

>>16528144
Shut up, retard. You know nothing and your time cubing is off topic here. You are an actual retard.

Go back to /x/

>>16528173
October? Elon needs to pick his pace up.

>>16528166
>Ok, now what
Now stop posting

>>16527640

>>16528180
>Talking about gravity research is off topic in a thread about space flight
Ehhhhh
>Talking about communication timing for satellites is irrelevant to space flight
Why are you like this

>>16528132
The aspirational starship cadence would triple the methane consumption of the entire united states. I don't think you understand how big starship it. When it launches, the energy consumption of all humanity goes up 1.2%

>>16527640
I don't want to see grimes on the side of Starship.

>>16528175
QKD systems ≠ FTL. Holy shit you actually are a retard. You've probably been fucking around with photon pairs and other garbage for so long it's mushed your brain.

>>16528183
No one's making you respond. I'm just saying ftl communication is necessary for space operations and you're losing your mind about it.

We need ftl for space, why is saying that bad? It's being heavily researched.

>>16527638
Everything you listed is management and investment, not rocket science.

>>16528099
NASA can't even figure out how to TIG weld in space (granted, this is probably just a problem of them not trying hard enough), so the premise of a full industrial stack in zero gravity is just fantasy, it would take AGES to develop and you would need to move herculean amounts of mass into orbit merely to bootstrap it.

You could say "we'll do the industry in spinning O'Neill cylinders" but how do you build those without already having the requisite industry in space in the first place?

Building shit on planet surfaces and then launching it and assembling it in space is the most plausible way forward, but to do that with something huge enough to house major industrial processes is unrealistic anytime this century.

None of the people who support H1B stuff are in danger of losing their jobs
We should bring in h1b politicians

>>16528189
There is more than one type of entanglement. Why are you so hostile?

so, what I gather is this schizo is some overconfident optics engineer at DARPA, possibly also like Symmetricom, working on DARPA's Quantum Network, and he's also schizo, so he sees God in the hardware or something else pathetic

>>16528192
Turns out you need management (Elon Musk) that is willing to take risks and drive development forward at a rapid pace if you want to get shit done and subsequently win government contracts that require shit to get done.

>>16527659
Starlink is an alternate to DSL. It only makes sense in areas with that or lower service. Any cable system connection will easily blow it out of the water. In your case you might also have been sharing the link with everyone else at the resort, which would cause congestion if there were more than a couple of you using it at the same time.

>>16528191
Everyone hates you because you're a schizoposting retard. Anything FTL belongs on /x/ along with your opinions about it. It’s not open to discussion.

>>16527640
A man can dream

>>16528202
*it's open to discussion IF he posts actual evidence it's real. Or like some wild new discovery published in Nature that is particularly relevant. Other than that yes, not open to discussion.

>>16527611
Regardless of the reason, here's that Sea Dragon clip for all the enjoy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6YJ5oIcT4g

>>16528202
>Everything ftl belongs on /x/
>We will forever gatekeep using Standard Model even though it's 100 years old and non unified
So, the goal of this thread is to circle jerk rockets? Otherwise this thread belongs on /biz/ because it's about government contracts not science

>>16528197
More like he's a schizo from /pol/ who came here because he's got a fresh case of EDS and now he's mad that we don't think nazi UFO technology is being suppressed by jewish physicists.

>>16528198
Still not rocket science no matter how much you wish your mba made you into a tech asset.

>>16528208
>So, the goal of this thread is to circle jerk rockets?
Wow this took you a while to figure out

>>16528209
as a jew, I do apologize that we're supposing nazi ufo tech. I'll bring it up at our next jew physics board meeting.

>>16528208
please make a new sfg on /biz/, it will be a nice compliment to the other one on /n/.

>>16528208
>So, the goal of this thread is to circle jerk rockets?
Yes, now fuck off.

>>16528205
No amount of evidence will ever be enough to convince people like you
>>16528209
>I'm just here to shill for Elon Musk
/Pol/ loves Elon though

>>16528208
>So, the goal of this thread is to circle jerk rockets?
I don't think it's possible for you to make it any more painfully obvious that you aren't from here and don't belong here.

>>16528208
>So, the goal of this thread is to circle jerk rockets?
no shit

>>16528218
>has no evidence
>decides that evidence is worthless anyway