/sci/ - Science & Math

>>16444916
Glass the Earth, demigod war eventually

>page 9

>>16444933
>251 images

>>16444933
>what is the image limit

>>16444933
Image limit retard

>csi has a cybertruck
hmm

OH NO NO NO

>>16444944
solar panels make it look like a factorio base

>>16444944
take up less space than car parks in 300 people american town

>>16444944
there's no way the government would allow colonists to get their hands on weapons grade uranium

>>16444944
we already talked about this last thread

>>16444944
>then that is what we will do

>>16444951
Excuse me for thinking about where the power for ISRU, the key component of serious Mars missions, is coming from

>>16444950
You don't need, or even want, HEU to run a nuclear reactor. Particularly when you're powering a city/colony with predictable power needs, rather than a warship.

>>16444950
The government literally can't do shit past LEO.

>>16444944
seems pretty trivial to me.

Please do not talk about space flight in this thread; we already talked about it in the last thread.

>>16444960
They can refuse to export it, unless threatened with credible threats of kinetic bombardment.

>>16444944
Oh no no no
Solar chads... our response?

>>16444944
Imagine being the guy who has to sweep the dust off of all those panels every day.
Would you go to Mars if that was going to be your job?

>>16444966
>Solar chads
no such thing

>>16444944
First hailstorm is gonna wreck that thing.

>>16444969
sure, why not? sounds like an easy job.

>>16444944
how many times do I have to post this
https://www.thespaceshow.com/show/11-feb-2020/broadcast-3459-dr.-robert-zubrin
>When Zubrin pointed out that it would require 6-10 football fields of solar panels to refuel a single Starship Elon said "Fine, that's what we will do".

>>16444970
Ok now ask the same question about Mars

>>16444973
Musk is forced to use an inferior option out of political necessity? Yes. Isn't it infuriating?

>>16444973
It'll be the plan until one day Elon suddenly announces that actually nuclear is great after all.
>we're going to land falcon 9 first stages with parachutes
>actually propulsive landing is great
>we're going to land dragon capsules with propulsive landing
>actually parachutes are great
>we're going to reuse falcon 9 second stages
>actually expendable is great
>starship is going to be carbon fiber
>actually steel is great
>starship is going to use a concrete pad
>actually water deluge is great
>we're going to use solar panels on mars
YOU ARE HERE
>actually nuclear power is great

>>16444942
>/sfg/ falls for electric universe Immanuel Velikovsky catastrophism slop
It's called the Dzhanibekov effect, and not only has /sfg/ fallen for it so has NASA and the USSR as it's been the subject of a large number of zero-G missions on mir and the iss.

>>16444984
he isn't anti nuclear.

>>16444987
The Earth going breakdancing because of it is a little bit fringe, surely?

>>16444944

>>16444944
Solar on Mars is purely a backup, it's too far from the Sun

>>16444989
He wasn't "anti-steel" when he thought carbon fiber was his best choice. The point is that he is readily willing to change his approaches and doesn't feel wed to his past decisions. As soon as nuclear becomes a politically/economically viable option for SpaceX it is likely he'll embrace it.

>>16444944
uhh, you do know that with bulk buying 575w panels at $100 each, you can get 6MW with 11,310 panels, which altogether is only $1,131,000 right?
At just below 28kg each panel, that's also just a total of 315 metric tons btw

>>16444992
fuck I need to get that expansion

>>16444991
Physics doesn't apply to planets I guess.

>>16444999
Nuclear chuds irrevocably destroyed LMAO

>>16444999
s-smart frogposter?!

>>16444999
>>16445003
If panels were the expensive part of solar systems, sure. But they're not.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=algGfNd_4U8
Starlink might be launching. The T-0 has been pushed back twice so far so the weather might be an issue tonight
(current) T-49:00

>>16445005
Tesla already make industrial scale inverters, send a few powerpacks and it'll be fine man

>>16445005
If only they could leverage business ties with a large solar company or some sort of electrical manufacturer for the other expensive parts of a solar system, like batteries and inverters and shit.

>>16444999
That's ridiculous kek

>>16445009
yeah, too bad we can't all get what we want :(

>>16445009
>Support frames
>Power conditioning equipment
>Battery systems
>Temperature regulators
>Maintenance tasks
>Labor

>>16445015
Optimus jannies
>Elon, what is my purpose
>you sweep solar panels on Mars

>>16445015
>temperature regulators
Boring company
>battery systems
Tesla
>support frames
SpaceX
>Solar panels
Solarcity/Tesla

They're already set, this isn't NASA opening billion dollar contracts for their second cousins to sit on their hands, the answer is that they're just gonna make it all themselves for manufacturing cost + labor and shoot it into space.

>>16445022
does solarcity actually do anything

>>16444996
>>16444944
Solar is the delightfully counterintuitive option, which is why it will happen

>>16444944
Which is cheaper?

scrub

>>16445024
the nice thing about rockets is they are awesome. they're big, they're loud, they're super powerful, they go places fast.
the awful thing about solar is it's boring as fuck. it just sits there. it generates meh power. it doesn't make any noise. the panels are small there are just a lot of them.

>>16445024
There's counterintuitive and there's counterphysical. Martian solar to do the needful is the latter.

Has there been any research into making solar panel with Mars soil?

>>16445023
They did bring some pretty cool products to market but Elon's cousins did a fraud and he bailed it out.
Since he bought it they mostly do powerwall and big battery installs for government, imo they're waiting for solar panel tech to mature while focussing on vertically integrated tech from Tesla (batteries).

>>16445022
The Boring Company doesn't build temperature managing equipment, but a sealed room does insulate against swings in temperature.

Solar City doesn't actually make panels, which is the biggest problem here.

Booster 13 is being lifted onto the launch mount. It's only been nine days since Flight 5

>>16445027
It's what will happen, not what I want to happen

>>16445036
SLSsisters...

The dust on Mars is statically charged, right? Is it possible to harness that for power?

>>16445042
Some of it, sometimes. No.

>>16445036
no brakes on the musk maglev

>>16445036
he can't keep getting away with it!!! think of the piping plovers!!

>>16445033
The boring company makes holes in the ground.
Holes in the ground do temperature regulation passively. The only reason homes aren't passively temperature regulated is because of enormous red tape bullshit increasing the cost 100x. Used to do core samples for the local coal mine, it was 1 million bucks per hole (2001 bucks). 900k of that was red tape cost, out of the remaining 100k half of it went to making the bank happy and 50k was left for the company.

In reality new estates should be established with a common temperature sink bore installed. If you could eliminate the red tape cost you could have a thermal plant for ~50k installed and just pipe the ~15 degree C heat around to share between 150 houses.

No such issues on mars. Shitty geothermal gradient but they can use that big ol' heatsink of rock to regulate whatever temperatures they want.

Reminder.

https://x.com/i/broadcasts/1mnxeAVEaPqxX

Lifted

>>16445033
Oh forgot Solar City shit.
Yeah Tesla softly got out of the solar panel game. Issues with suppliers. They sacked everyone on solar at Buffalo, but since then they've refit the factory and re-hired manufacturing engineers.
They've been doing something there. Musk never wanted to give up on solar and he's spoken coyly about manufacturing panels again more recently. They have the capability.

>>16445053
Complaining about dept of labor OSHA violations is crazy

>>16445058
Worship of regulation lawfare is so cult like

its been forever since elon was like "fuck it were hotstaging". Where is the integrated hotstaging ring? You'd think a prototype for it would be hanging around.

>>16445031
kek

>>16445060
Block 2, secret squirrel stuff, 2025.

>>16445053
What the fuck does the department of transportation have to do with Neuralink?

>>16444996
Guarantee it's already happening or at least in the early stages.
So quickly anons forget about him getting invited to tour Los Alamos.

>>16445058
Is spacex actually a dangerous place to work compared to typical construction or did I read a hit piece? Seems like you couldn't horseshit real injuries and the worker's story.

>>16445065
Monkeys weren't transported in monkey specific truck with monkey specific seat belts in monkey specific cage.

>>16445063
This has the same gorgeous 90s boomer energy as airship to orbit

>>16445006
https://x.com/SpaceflightNow/status/1848884965724807285
>SpaceX scrubbed the launch of the Starlink 6-61 mission "due to unfavorable recovery weather conditions." Liftoff is now targeting 5:47 pm ET (2147 UTC) on Wednesday, October. 23.

>>16445067
SpaceX has 10X more construction work taking place than "industry avg" in space industry. And they said SpaceX is bad because its 2X worse than "industry avg". Same thing was said of Tesla when they were building a new factory in a year vs 5+ years of other factories and claimed it was worse.

The moral dilemma is this. A doctor kills 10 patient working on 100 patient in 1 year vs a doctor kill 1 patient working on 10 patient per year for 10 years.

>>16445068
I can't tell if you made that post in jest or not but after looking it up that may as well be the case.
Neuralink has actual medical doctors working with them, right? I doubt they would neglect sanitization procedures.

>>16445068
Speaking of monkeys, still can't believe that the general public was was actually outraged at Neuralink for experimenting with them, while they are fine with the other 999999 companies doing the same out there lmao.

>>16445067
I think you can search OSHA investigations by company on their public database, and then it's trivial to compare the per-capita rate to the rest of the job market.
I am too lazy to do so, but my gut instinct is that their injury and incident rate is not high enough to justify whatever scrutiny the Department of Labor is putting them under.

>>16445061
>kicks employee in the water logged flame trench
>you can't scare me elon, NSF interviewed the FAA and without a storm water permit you can't even static fire here
>that gives us plenty of time to get the sharks out
>wha-

>>16445074
They don't care. They just got told about it in a tone that makes it sound bad, and they don't want to miss the apparent direction of the wind on a subject they know and care nothing about.

>>16444946
conveyor belts would prolly work on mars

>>16445074
>general public
They dont care. They are just fed whatever propaganda slop that comes to their eyes from the standard propaganda outlets like Reuters/APNews/etc. I view these agencies as going to McDonalds for information about the state of the world. "Wow the world only eats burgers and fries?" "Wow Musk bad!! Wow"

>>16445074
>still can't believe that the general public was was actually outraged at Neuralink for experimenting with them, while they are fine with the other 999999 companies doing the same out there lmao.

People have no idea what goes on in the world until the internet tells them to be mad at elon for doing it

>>16445053
Maybe stop being a chud on Twitter (not calling it X). Donate to democrats, and lick Kamala's coochie

>>16445074
They're not told to care about it so it doesn't exist. The only things that exist are the things that they're directly told exist. They don't have the capability to imagine any part of the universe beyond the latest set of headlines.

>>16445081
New whistleblower news dropped. Kamala working with British labor/communist party to kill X.

>>16445084
The British, such a formidable foe. I'm sure Musk is trembling

>>16445073
Spotlight being shined on Musk's company is just political in nature. There are no such thing as a perfect person in this world, nor a perfect company nor a perfect anything. Given a million different pages of regulator, everyone is a criminal if the spotlight is shined on them. Thats why these things are absolutely irrelevant. You can find anything wrong with any company in the US. The same arg could be applied to any hospitals where someone threw the gloves in the wrong garbage bin and claim its "bio hazardous" and other big words to claim its an unsafe hospital.

>>16445085
hey, mimas is not to scale there

>>16445089
Own that fraud

>>16445089
>mimas
Even Dysnomia is bigger than that moonlet.

>>16445095
Wtf it actually is. How small is Mimas??

>>16445091
the most interesting aspect of this

>>16445102
Actually jk, comets being larger than phobos is pretty insane. I didn’t realize hale bopp was that threatening

>>16445067
If you're reading about SpaceX in the media, it's a hit piece.

Reuters ran a piece that compares *serious injury claims* across the aerospace injury with "Injuries, illnesses *and* serious injury claims" from SpaceX.

Still came out not looking that bad honestly.

>>16445101
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Solar_System_objects_by_size
Seems to be the smallest of all the well-known, round moons. One could argue that satellites like Puck are smaller, but those are more spherical-ish, so depends on who you ask.

>>16445107
>If you're reading about SpaceX in the media, it's a hit piece.
If SpaceX does something "bad" then it's "Elon Musk's SpaceX". If it does something "good" then it's just "SpaceX". No kidding, you can easily fact-check this.

So just checking wikipedia, super heavy is 275 tons, starship is 100 tons, together 385 tons.

I think I heard starship is speculated to be capable of 20 tons to LEO right now. Where can they get 80 tons off the dry mass? Are mass savings on the second stage a bigger deal because mass on the second stage remains for the whole flight?

>>16445112
They aren't even using Raptor 3 yet sweaty

>>16445109
So this random piece of shit moon with absolutely ZERO reasons to colonize is more famous than important colonizations points for the outer system like Enceladus and Titan because its vaguely shaped like that one thing from the popular reddit franchise.

>>16445115
Does more thrust without changing anything else about the rocket mean more payload because less gravity loss? I assume raptor 3 is lighter too, and I know about the shielding situation. Just wanted to know how thrust works. I think that also means you can carry more fuel and still lift off the ground in time not to destroy your launch pad, which is why they are extending starship.

>>16445120
gravity losses are a constant

>>16445112
As in, to hit 100 tonnes to LEO?
~5-10 tonnes from hot stage ring integration and shavings.
Raptor 3 engine weight alone reduces 38 tonnes. Then there's reduction in heat shielding minimization in engine bay, piping optimization.
~10 tonnes from skin thickness reduction.
Still considerable weight to lose from internals, they haven't started optimizing their frozen methane filter system yet.

Block 2 starship has 25% more fuel, both stages have ~25% more thrust. Starship could meet 100 tonnes by next year.

>>16445121
what about the never stop throoooosting meme when they announced hot staging. I thought the faster you got the orbit the better and if you dropped thrust for a moment you gimp yourself

>>16445123
>just 2 more years and then we will have a payload lol !

please /sfg/ wish homer a quick recovery

>>16445123
R2 3590 pounds x (33 + 6) / 2000 = 70 tons

R3 3362 pounds x (33 + 6) / 2000 = 65.5 tons

Do you know something I don't?

>>16445132
No, I fucked up. Pulled that figure off a post without thinking about it.

>>16445063
reminds me of the iceberg aircraft carrier concept

>>16445112
didn't musk say that the flight 3 starship(aka block I) could do 50~ tons?

>>16445129
Based boomer. Checked his tl the other day and he was reposting Musk's election-posting. I hope he lives to see a thriving lunar base.
Also, he posted this, picrel: https://x.com/realhomerhickam/status/1846963630845431817

>>16445139
Yeah I can't remember where I heard 20 tons, but I remember the accusation that elon's figures on the presentation were suspect

>>16445123
such a deluded shill lol

>>16445132
Here ya go.

>>16445142
>elon's figures on the presentation were suspect
nta but when Elon said 45ish tonnes I knew it was much lower. he always highballs the numbers. 20T makes sense. Starship has to carry a bigger heatshield than shuttle without the isp of hydromeme. People make fun of hydrogen, but the shuttle designer's weren't retarded, it simply wouldn't work with something as low isp as methane

>>16445144
R2 2875kg x (33 + 6) = 112125
R3 1720kg x (33 + 6) = 67080

112 - 67 = 45 tonnes.

>>16445127
>>16445132
>>16445143
>samefagging this hard
EDS sufferers are getting extremely desperate ever since the booster catch.

>>16445015
>Support frames
They're landing 200 tons of steel with every cargo flight
>Temperature regulators
Dumbass Mars is COLD. Solar+electronics will work great

>>16445147
Wait lol I'm retarded, I'm gonna go touch grass.

>>16445015
>Support frames
Just lay the panels on the ground. It's free real estate up there. Every kilogram of frame is a kilogram of panel you're missing out on.

>>16445149
>Dumbass Mars is COLD. Solar+electronics will work great
Batteries don't like cold.
>>16445153
You need to smooth it out with a bulldozer or else you'll tear up your panels.

>>16445144
>>16445147
Oh, what are vehicle side commodities and hardware mass? Thats where the big savings are

>>16445112
starshipsisters... Will starship be economically competitive at 20T to LEO?

>>16445155
bulldozer in mars isn't a problem, you're going to need earth moving equipment up there anyway. Also it can be a small, electric, autonomous bulldozer, moving small amounts of soil at a time but working around the clock until the job is done. rocks too large to be pushed can be drilled into and cracked apart using hydraulic rock splitters.

>>16445156
engine shielding, Mexicans to do the thrust vectoring etc.

>>16445148
He told me they were going to shed just over half the weight of the raptors, wikipedia said R3 was a 100kg reduction from R2 because its missing information, it's not EDS to ask what's going on. I'm sure I've done more elon shilling on /g/ than you today.

>>16445158
a fully reusable falcon 9 is still years ahead of everyone else

>>16445158
it says the social cost of methane is 1,500 per ton
starship uses 10,000 tons of it
that puts a minimum price at 15 million per launch
for 20 tons
its still competitive

>>16445165
SSTO

>>16445063
They built spaceships out of ice in Legends of the Galactic Heroes. Obviously the show isn't super-realistic in the realm of sci-fi (and the ice ships were used temporarily) but that was something that broke my suspension of disbelief since I figured the ships would either start to sublimate from heat after equipment and humans were moved in, or would stay too cold to be habitable.

If heat isn't an issue like I thought it was then I could see ice being a good space building material: very common, good radiation shielding, and can be recycled into energy or propulsion if needed.

hilarious how after the abject failure of a vehicle design spacexissies just cope and cope. First it was muh rapid iteration! then when musk drops the truth bomb about how bad things really are its 'starship version 100 will save us, raptor 69 will save us!!!1!'.

Pray tell: why would they build version 1 at all if they knew it wouldn't work?
Truth is they're fucked.
Nobody wants to tell Musk that he bet the company on a failed design.

>>16445169
Pykrete

>>16445166
You still have the rocket divided by how many times you can reuse it. At what price point does it lose competitiveness?

>>16445166
MINIMUM FUEL PRICE OF 15 MIL!!???
this is the biggest blackpill of all. It's over. So much for 10 mil per launch lmao.

can someone give me a non meme answer as to why I shouldn't be a starship mass to orbit doomer

>>16445166
>>16445172
and stage zero operation costs

>>16445164
it's not a fully reusable falcon 9..
it's a superheavy lift launch vehicle with all the costs associated.
starbase costs 4 million per day to run.

>>16445166
>social cost
wtf is this?

>>16445163
>/g/
oh no no no no

>>16445176
doomer is the right attitude. if they don't somehow triple the mass to orbit and actually made it operationally reusable then its actually over for real. People were sold on the shuttle fantasy too and gradually realised it didn't work so well over it's 30 year service life.
We could well repeat that.
Starship may give us a starker reality check by being physically unable to do HLS.
Or it could struggle through, but never become reusable in an economically workable way. Especially with such anaemic payload for its massive size

it's over

Cull the retards who say Starship uses 10000 tons methane.

the samefag is strong in this thread

>>16445192
sfg is three people

>>16445176

>>16445189
Are spacesuits electrically conductive?

>>16445192
sfg is like 3 people

>>16445198
RAPTOR 2 WILL SAVE US
>doesn't save us
...
...
RAPTOR 3 WILL SAVE US
>?

I'm glad that both other posters are here with me tonight

>>16445203
fuck you for posting this gay Chinese lunar lander or something.

>>16445201
>raptor 3 is bad because... it just is okay???
return to reddit, EDS retard.

you do all remember F9 then F9 with non grid engine layout then F9 FT then F9 FT 1.2 then block 4 then block 5 then block 5 FT or whateverthefuck

>>16445193
>>16445200
but one single hivemind

>>16445201
Raptor 2 kind of felt like a non-event. It even feels weird using the numbers. Raptor "3" just feels like what Raptor was supposed to be the whole time.

>>16445209
Well that's true. raptor 2 is basically raptor 1, because raptor 1 straight up didn't work. All R1s recovered from the high altitude program had eaten their insides to some extent. Starhoppers engine even failed a few inches before touchdown

>>16445203
Are those just dust clouds, or something cooler?

Another Chinese launch, this time a LM-2C launching yet another batch of Yaogan somethings

>>16445166
LNG is like $300 per ton. I don’t know what social cost is. Sounds like communist gobbledegook.

>>16445219
https://x.com/Cosmic_Penguin/status/1848907402290335872
>The 4+m "hammerhead" fairing gives the Long March 2C quite a bit of rejuvenated use after this extremely-long-serving launch vehicle variant crossed 42 years of continuous service under the same name:

I'm pretty sure that 42 years of service makes this the oldest operational launch vehicle, since the current Soyuz variant only came online in 2004

>>16445129
Praying but this guy had fingers up his ass if they found colon cancer

Everyone go report this thread >>16445046 so janny sees it faster. Better to activate FTS as soon as possible.

>>16445214
Apparently nothing special
>This GIF shows clouds drifting over Mount Sharp on Mars, as viewed by NASA's Curiosity rover on March 19, 2021, the 3,063rd Martian day, or sol, of the mission.

>>16445065
What does agriculture have to do with brain chips??

>>16445243
Animal tests?

>>16445243
Neuralink was testing on pigs so I could see why the Department of Agriculture would come into play there.

>>16445251
damn the congress people always getting the latest in medicine

>>16445251
Seems like some insane over reach for department of agriculture to be investigating just because a farm animal is used, but absolutely no farming is involved

just voted for humans to mars

>>16445086
if the "Kamala administration" is working against him that means the international zog entity is and that's nothing to laugh at

>>16445171
That's just ice filled with straw and it doesn't work either.

>>16445214
Water ice clouds. Same as we get around here.

>>16445169
It's fine desu. Cover the outside in dirt or foil and it won't sublimate.

>>16445318
huh, I didn't know Mars had water clouds. Is there anything resembling a water cycle or does it just sit in the sky?

>>16445322
I think it falls as snow but sublimates before it reaches the ground. Though sometimes frost is seen on the ground. Viking saw this.

why don't we just bring oil to mars on starships and burn it for power?

>>16445314
the jews love trump. watch elons first pennsylvania town hall if you want to see where he stands on israel. he is suckin jew sack and strokin the shaft.

>>16445328
Because thats inefficient.

>>16445328
There is oil on mars

>>16445322
Mars's water cycle is that it's been in an ice-age for several billion years and it's enormous ocean is now trapped beneath several kilometres of debris.

>>16445338
“Ocean” but its just ice

>>16445340
Still an ocean.

>>16445342
Antarctica is not an ocean, doofus.

>>16445338
>it's

>>16445349
hmm, must be a new invasive species from Europa

Angry has gone full tranny. This comes after his switch to UFOs from rocket news.

https://x.com/dominickmatthew/status/1848918230439522387
This is disgusting

>>16445360
the way the ketchup piles up makes sense, but still disgusts me

>>16445361
Did you see the video? The way he inhales it makes me gag

perhaps the most 2004 thing ever

>nobody cares about angry anymore
grim

>>16445338
Sometimes I get mad thinking of how badly we were robbed. Imagine Venus and Mars both being habitable right when we started launching rockets.

>>16445370
but that means there's the possibility that we would have to fight alien life for our right to inhabit those worlds

>>16445371
If we are launching rockets to other planets and they arent, its not going to be much of a fight.

>>16445369
his EDS and virgin galactiphilia was becoming unbearable

>>16445223
Under the same name yeah, but CZ-2C has had some modifications.
>Second stage stretch in the mid 90s
>Addition of fins in the mid 2000s
>Various modifications to carry various third stage

>>16445348
Boomeritis has robbed me of my linguabatics.
>>16445343
Comets are oceans.

>>16445388
I wish I could give you the fastest, hardest bitch slap with the meatiest hand possible across this screen.

>>16445392
If I cover the indian ocean with dirt does it turn into a continent?

>>16445393
If all of that dirt piles high enough to be above water and solid then yes. But that would involve removing another whole continent and putting it where the indian ocean is, further proving me right. Continents arent separated by tectonic playes either because then you have to explain why India isnt its own continent, of why NZ isnt, etc.

>>16445008
Might as well take the opportunity to change the electrical delivery standard while he's at it since they're starting with a clean slate. Return to DC power delivery.

>>16445132
Yes, you didn't take the mass removed ships ideas which was massive

Starship more like Slaveship. All it will do is transport the people Musk takes advantage of to a place where no regulations can stop him from enslaving them.

>>16445399
So the definition of an ocean is "A large body of liquid which is not covered by a solid"? Are boats islands?

>>16445399
India is called a subcontinent for a reason.

>>16445408
There is no set definition like there is of planets. Google says a large continuous mass of land conventionally regarded as a collective region, which the key words are conventionally regarded as collective region. The only thing that defiend what a continent is, is the common knowledge of what humans consider a region to be. If the entire indian ocean is made of solid land because you put a continents worth of dirt there, the entire region is about the same (land made of dirt with nothing else) and is the size of the massive indian ocean. Conventional wisdom would indicate that a region that is very similar across a large area would be considered the same region, and thus a continent. Retard.
>>16445409
Nigger

>>16445310
Based

>>16445413
Cringe vooter

>>16445369
Always seemed like a faggot to me desu

>>16445412
yes they're subhumans

/sfg/ - Sod Fiction General

>>16445414
You are homosexual

>>16445419
Sounds like something a cocksucker would say

i come back to sfg after the catch and faggots here are still dooming about mass and saying starship can't do ~50 tonnes to leo right now because... it just can't ok? thunderf00t is right on this despite being wrong about everything else or something. Ok?

>>16445343
there is an oceans >worth of< water trapped under the surface on Mars in the form of ice

https://x.com/peterrhague/status/1848973067680137672
>So far the only acknowledgement of the booster catch even happening by the Harris team is to mock Trump for being excited about it. That doesn’t bode well for space if she wins.

>>16445423
Will never melt into an ocean. Fake and gay.
>inb4 terraformeme
Kek.

>>16445421
White (homo)dudes for Harris right?

>>16444916
Can I ask about space and our neighborhood in general in here or is it just rockets? I´ve been trying to find a flat map of the stars and planets around us in a 50 light year radius

>>16445430
Anything space. We discuss probery and planetary science missions allot, though allot of roggetry. Heres 15 LY, not sure about 50 tho, looking now.

>>16445434
>>16445430
Also how did you find us.

>>16445434
>>16445435
Thanks for the help. Well, I occasionally come here for math problems, so I thought, why not for space? That´s pretty much it. Though I´ll be hanging around for a bit.

>>16445434
C is too damn low.

>>16445437
If exceeding C is at all possible, multiples of C are probably attainable.

Exceeding speed of light is not possible. Its a law of nature for a reason. You do not break those, and you will go 0.99999C and be happy.

Sirius is a big boy

>>16445442
If I funelled enough braps into it, would it become a black hole?

>>16445437
Not born in time to explore other solar systems.
Born in time to copy our consciousness and have a robot clone go live forever while our bodies fail us, though.
Man I wish I was the robo-clone.

>>16445444
Anything would become a black hole given enough braps.

>>16445434
We're very lucky the nearest star system to us is a triple star system with a yellow and orange dwarf and not just a red dwarf

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05rTE3UtGMU

>>16445442
I get unreasonably uneasy and unnerved that there are celestial objects out there RIGHT NOW that are unfathomably big.

>>16445441
It's just not fair though. I don't care if this makes me sound like a petulant child. It's infuriating that there are millions of stars in the galaxy but the nearest ones still take almost an entire human lifespan to reach with currently plausible technology. Even my great-grandkids probably won't have the experience of metaphorically stepping foot in more than two star systems. How can there be so much to explore but no method of exploring it in a reasonable timeframe? It's supposed to be our destiny as humans to colonize the entire galaxy but it will take use centuries to colonize the nearest star systems, it's like the universe is spitting in the face of life itself, reminding us that we're nothing more than a chemical anomaly on an ordinary star in the fringes of the galaxy, reminding us that we're not destined to be masters of the universe.

>>16445460
It isnt the limit of the speed of light. Its the limit of aging. You direct your whining at the wrong thing, one is much more feasible to overcome than the other.

>>16445460
It's a filter for species that haven't yet mastered their biology, yeah.

>>16445460
We will spread through the galaxy using the stars as stepping stones. You're thinking of it all wrong. You, as an individual, are a small part of one large machine; humanity. Whether you're one of numerous engineers working on rocket designs, an astronaut who will die of old age on a generation ship to Alpha Centauri, or simply a spectator, we all play our part in advancing the human race. Individualism has destroyed the west.

>>16445430
That's actually a harder question than you might think because we keep finding new brown dwarfs. If you mean real luminous stars and don't care about up to the minute exoplanet data then here.

https://projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/spacemaps.php

>>16445456
At first glance I thought this was some weird anarchist flag.

>>16445460
just solve biological immortality or mind uploading first

>>16445475
Its been solved. Look at jellyfish.

>>16445478
for humans, the examples in other species shows it should be possible in principle in humans as well

>>16445460
This bitch universe is not going to tell us what to do, have faith in what our descendants will be capable of. Who knows if one day they will find a way to become omnipotent, and manipulate existence itself at their will. Indomitable human spirit >>> cruel indifference of the universe. Otherwise, why even bother.

>>16445480
Dunno, maybe dont and stay here on Urf

>>16445053
Reminds me of Hideo Kojima saying something along "If everyone likes my new game that means that I haven't invented anything new"

>>16445053
i remember looking at neuralink jobs and you had to know a bunch of regulatory shit to get hired there

I wonder if United Rentals will expand their business to Mars too

>>16445328
>why don't we just bring oil to mars on starships and burn it for power?
we'll ship stuff like oil and coal to mars eventually

>>16445456
The weirdest part to me about such big objects is the implied light lag. 1 AU =~ 8 light minutes so that star is multiple light hours across.

>>16445065
>>16445073
Neuralink was found to be transporting no infectious substances in the end but they were transporting some hazardous chemicals improperly and had to pay a pretty nominal fine of $2.5k.

>>16445439
You'd need to exceed c by thousands of times interstellar travel anything close to fast. But the idea of interstellar trucking also sounds quite "kino". Pic related.

>>16444935
>>16444936
>>16444938
faggot newfags lol

>>16444950
Any nuclear facilities will be operated by NASA

>>16445501
sauce?

>>16445505
Don't know about the art, but the character is from Mouthwashing. It's a short psychological horror game set on an interplanetary cargo vessel.

>>16445506
does it have rape scenes?

>>16445510
No, but that's all I'll say to avoid spoilers.

>>16445512
aww what a shame, no sexo downer rape

>>16445224
Such is life when you hit a certain age.
Now bend over and cough.

Nuclear is a silver bullet for climate change

>>16445520
If anthropogenic climate change is real, we don't know what the cause is yet.

>>16445441
The speed of light has only gotten weaker over time. It's inevitable that at some point we'll figure out how to break it for our own purposes.

>>16445520
Gets the job done and costs more than regular bullets? Sounds about right.

>>16445487
In an ideal world, you wouldn't have to deal with regulatory bullshit and instead focus on engineering but they have to focus on spending money on regulatory lawyers because of politicized attacks against the company

Pics related. Tesla's new 11 Megawatt solar panel on a 30 acre mega-super charging station that houses 168 supercharging stations which will come online in mid 2025.

Instead of Superchargers, think Mars colony habitats that can house couple hundred people there.

Turds

>>16445360
Why, Mr. Dominick, why. That was far too much ketchup—you can’t do that!

>>16445501
You don't need to exceed c at all for interstellar travel to be fast from your perspective

>>16445545
A remark as obvious as it is useless.

>>16445538
Neat

>>16445557
As it invalidates the point of the post it was referring to, no

>>16445501
>>16445506
well, that was one ride of a game, thanks anon, i guess

>>16445358
>rich person buys news to push influence but I'm not constantly reminded of it
(:
>rich person buys news to push influence but I am constantly reminded of it
):<

It's true, normalfags are this retarded!!

>>16445456

>>16445358
>tranny
That's a kike.

>>16445580
Because a the center of a star is a square, if you ever try to imagine a star with it's size, you'll always drop off the corner and it fits. You can imagine stars and measure them without pain.

>>16445439
>If exceeding C is at all possible
(It isn't)

>>16445580
believe in the elon who believes in you, anon

>>16445376
wokespergs would say thys we aren't allowed to. Sometimes I wonder how great things could have been if interplanetary rocketry was invented 400 years ago. Imagine.
There would be Heroic tales of British imperialists arriving with a gatling gun and slaying 1000 Martians to establish a town in one of their holy sites

>>16445371
>>16445376
>interplanetary colonization in the age of terrestrial decolonization
We'd have ended up with Martian and Venusian ghettos on Earth and very few humans on those planets

>>16445557
Play a space violin for your dead girlfriend on arrival, then get to making a new one.

fixed the graph

>>16445602
Thanks. The second bar graph made it too complicated for normalfags

Fermi paradox solution: Aliens have really good telescopes and just send a relativistic kill vehicle to solar systems synchronized with the species first forays into interstellar travel, chasing them from star to star while watching in high definition for lolz.

>>16445605
I think it'd have more impact for redditors if you just substituted "Russia" and "China" though.

>>16445602
Is this for 2024?
I thought roscosmos way fell off this year thanks to the war?

How much money will Starlink be getting from airlines a few years from now?

>>16445609
It's for Q1 2024
>>16445610
25k planes times ~20k per month is about 6 billion annually.

>>16445610
> The total worldwide fleet size currently counts 28,674 aircraft, with 23,513 active and 5,161 grounded, and we can see a favourable trend over the last three months. In comparison to the previous month, there is a 3% increase in active aircraft and an 11% decrease in grounded aircraft.
>30 Jun 2022

lets say there are 20k aircraft
OpenAI said airliners pay 1k-5k per month per airplane (which sounds kind of low to me but fine)
that would give you revenues ranging from 240mil to 1200mil per year

looking at the market size, google gives
>The global in-flight entertainment and connectivity market size was valued at USD 6.37 billion in 2022 and is projected to grow from USD 7.48 billion in 2023 to USD 21.03 billion by 2030, exhibiting a CAGR of 15.9%.

>>16445617
100k commercial shipping boats out there as well. Probably lower demand plans for those, but still ~8k per month probably spread out between big bois and smaller ones.

>>16445602
This graph doesn't really do anything. Either people say it was made by a shill, or then like "well they're just sending their own satellites, it doesn't really count"

>>16445622
One can only cope so far though. "Oh they only own all global telecommunications big whoop" doesn't really ring right.

>>16445622
>Either people say it was made by a shill, or then like "well they're just sending their own satellites, it doesn't really count"
Why are you hung up on this?

>>16445625
I guess some people still think you can wake up normoids.

>>16445610
Tree fiddy

>>16445625
I'm just saying, I've seen people here talk about it like just post that graph, but if someone insists on being anti-SpaceX then they'll still find a way. Another fun thing I see is when someone just says "stop sucking Musk's dick" or something, when they're the first person who's even mentioned Musk lol

>>16445622
>"well they're just sending their own satellites, it doesn't really count"

This is my favorite one because not only are they launching the mega constellation, they own it. So after that they have to switch to spacex has gone into debt to do this, even though industry analysts say they are profitable. Even if spacex was in debt, it would be way less debt that a competitor attempting it with disposable rockets.

>>16445630
The final argument is "Starlink is shit anyway, it has too high ping for online games"

>>16445633
works fine
had it since beta and few issues
I'm not a sweaty FPS guy but it was fine for WoW and diablo 4.

>>16445625
NTA but there is no bigger blow out than that graph, its easy entertainment. Normie's worldview is completely divorced from reality just from their news sources lying by omission. There are plenty of people that don't even know about falcon 9, dragon, or that spacex is the only provider that takes astronauts to the ISS and back. It's also an odd exception, usually normies know who the leaders are in any given industry, past or present. But spacex has been crushing it for a decade. And it's really going to take the moon landing and "what the god fuck is that, how is that so big, fuck me" to wake people up.

>>16445602
It would be huge if someone could figure out how much of that mass is starlink, because I wonder if they would still launch more mass if you left out starlink

Also this is total spacecraft upmass, I wonder what the graph looks like if it's just payload

>>16445635
>WoW and diablo 4.
grim

>>16445630
there's a starlink thread on /g/ right now where one dude thinks that spacex (elon) are losing $100m per launch on F9 by selling them so cheap but because that's only 10-15b a year he can afford to take the hit for good PR

>>16445650
Even with elons wealth, how long could he lose that much money before going bankrupt?

what was going through his mind at this moment?

>>16445646
Elon plays Diablo 4 on Starlink so the peering is stupid good.

>>16445657
>>16445652
>>16445654
Who cares?

>>16445635
Yeah sn't it under 100ms? I'm pretty sure my ping is like 70ms usually, with my rickety wifi setup

>>16445657
Hes downing a brewski, clearly nothing good.

>>16445654
"What can I say to pass this off as being unimpressive?"
He's a typical NPD with fixation issues, everything he does is rehearsed internally by thinking about how others will perceive him vs "the bad guys".

>>16445654
>>16445657
>>16445660

dragon 3.0 just dropped

>>16445654
I think this screencap is a bit misleading, since he was more just nodding like "not bad" and it's not so much a frown as that "not bad" face. Still, it was funny how much he underplayed that whole thing

>>16445666
Where's this from? Interesting choice slapping the Blorgin color scheme on their not-Dragon with a not-X logo though

>>16445666
jesus they really have no fucking shame, they're so good at copying homework.
however they are cursed to never surpass anyone whom they're good at copying shit from, they can steal shit down to every last detail but chinks struggle with the creativity part so actually lapping their rivals in technology by doing the hard work themselves is forever behind a locked door they can't open.

>>16445669
it's pretty obvious at this point that while he's clearly got EDS, and he probably wants spacex to fail, subconsciously he understands how fucking retarded all his talking points are.
but that's not the point, he is literally financially incentivised to never check himself on his own bullshit, because there is an army of crab bucket EDS havers that will pay top dollar for former basedence man to affirm their hatred with facts and logic.

>>16445672
so one is the company's name? rocketaholic or deep blue aerospace?

>>16445666
This thing.
This thing is gonna kill some people proper.

>>16445666
so which one is the company's name? rocketaholic or deep blue aerospace?

>>16445672
>rocketaholic
nah it would be rocketholic
for some reason chinks and japs love using holic in their names like that.

>>16445682
Deep blue
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_Blue_Aerospace

>>16445682
It's deep blue aerospace.

>>16445686
wait this is a suborbital? disappointing.

>>16445686
They're putting it directly on a booster?
Is this just chinese new shepard?

>>16445686
that's where the passengers are going when this thing lands and then instantly starts sinking.

Advertising joyrides on this thing by posting a video of the booster exploding is hilarious to me.

>>16445690
I appreciate them being upfront with their failures rather than hiding as the chinese normally do.

>>16445693
You misunderstand, gwailou. They did hide their failures.

>>16445690
>looks like dragon
>copies blue origin while having blue in the name
Peter Thiel was right about these guys

>>16445695
They just posted a ad of their rocket exploding.

>>16445698
Yes, that was their success.

>>16445699
It really wasn't

We very trust space company! You want space?

based on my very intelligent modelling of propellant deliveries between flights 3 and 4, and 4 and 5, I predict flight 6 taking place in the last week of november
>roughly 160-180 CH4 and 550-600 LOX tanker deliveries between each flight including prop used for static fire campaigns
>CH4 tankers at most 5-6 per day, LOX 30 ish
>already had 29 CH4 and 114 LOX tankers since flight 5
add in some buffer time as you don't want dozens of tankers showing up the day before launch, and you get late november. Maybe early december at the latest

>>16445711
Fake and gay, it will happen on the anniversary of IFT-2 which is Nov 18

>>16445712
november 18 is technically possible based on those figures but they'd need to be shipping in new daily records to meet it with some time to spare

So why do extremist MAGAs think they will actually go to the moon with FakeX’s Scamship? Is it because they always fall for lies and frauds?

>>16445711
It takes about 350 truckloads for a full launch's LOX and CH4.

>>16445711
They really should build a pipeline.

Astra bailout

>>16445358
https://x.com/Astro_Angry/status/1848906674611900641

I thought he had bit of critical thinking, but obviously he is unable to come up with a scenario in mind where such a thing is possible

>>16445728
Ran and funded by MAGAts

>>16445731
His argument is retarded. No need to make immigrants vote dem when they do it for free.
I am reminded of the stat that turks living in germany vote for the communists while the same turks voting in turkish elections vote for erdogan.

>>16445733
They literally wrote Black Lives Matter on flight hardware you dumb newfag.

>>16445744
source? thats right you have none

>>16445728
What the fuck, why is the DoD creaming their pants at rocket availability at Kodiak to the point where they’re willing to bail out a shitty company???
Just give Rocket Lab or Firefly a free Kodiak site or something.
Does Chris Kemp have insanely good insider connections and networking? Is he Chosen or something, oi vey. The fact Astra is still alive despite being the most incompetent company ever is insane

Uncrewed New Shepard verification flight in 20 mins - 15:00UTC
>https://www.blueorigin.com/live

>>16445746
https://x.com/Astra/status/1304207523705049088
dipshit

>>16445728
it’d be kinda funny if astra got a redemption arc
>>16445747
44 million dollars is nothing. If they can get another launch provider for it they win and if they can’t it’s not a huge loss.

>>16445753
>it’d be kinda funny if astra got a redemption arc
I’m tired of this word getting thrown around. Redemption arc this, redemption arc that—how about shitty companies like Blue Origin and Astra get what they fucking deserve for once and face the consequences of their (in)action and allegiance to mediocrity

>>16445746
Why are you so stupid? Anon just proved you wrong with a single image, and it's one everyone on /sfg/ saw years ago already. Why were you so sure that he was wrong? Why were you so confident without even bothering to check first for yourself? Now you look retarded.

>>16445749
Verifying what?

>>16445755
>>16445750
hey retards, i was fucking with you if calling you MAGAs wasnt obvio enough.

>>16445754
But that wouldn’t be funny.
astra goes under? no big surprise there.
rocket 4 launches once a month? Post the sideways liftoff gif to mock them for their past failings.

> Starship is a SHLV
> but it can only lift 20 tons to LEO
Muskrats, explain

>>16445766
FH is a SHLV
but it can’t lift any more than F9
musk’s lies go back a long way.

>>16445766
The explanation is Fraudlon Bust lied to me and I need my diaper changed

>>16445747
It's because Astra's rockets cost practically nothing. $4 million or whatever to throw up a cube sat is half the price of an Electron, and Astra's vehicles are readily transported by plane to places like Australia. $44 million is jump change to the DoD, and it's a potentially high reward capability.

>>16445747
Kemp definitely has a charisma that beck lacks. Just look at the astra vs rocket lab documentary to see the difference between them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Gmm_VxxMsA
Who's exited? I'm excited!

>>16445775
Beck forgot about mewing

>>16445779
>exited

>>16445775
Kemp shares lead paint wherever he goes and that's how he secures the contract.

>>16445779
suborbital, boring

>>16445785
but have you seen the cool party trick the rocket does where it lands itself?

>>16445757
>an uncrewed verification flight debuting our second human-rated vehicle
Wut. New booster design or new capsule?
Why the fuck are they even still doing dev on this sub- you know what, never mind. Have at it Bezos.

>>16445784
I still can't believe that actually worked.

>>16445785
>>16445788
>>16445790
Its only the very best operational human-rated rocket from America's (currently) second place rocket company has to offer... nothing to see here!
BTW, New Glenn will be operational before Starship, easily beating Falcon 9 & even heavy. Making Blue Origin #1 in the world. THIS YEAR.

>>16445793

>>16445790
They just fly the new rocket once with nobody on it to make sure it works. Can you imagine riding on a rocket that isn’t flight proven? What an insanely risky idea.

>>16445779
Stream is LIVE!

>>16445657
>"That doesn't look right"
>It's just the rocket tilting a degree off the pad as rockets are supposed to do
Phil the Whine Aunt isn't good at this.

>>16445650
/g/ is worse than thundercuck when it comes to anything Musk. Probably cause it's full of pedos and trannies

>>16445793
and the kicker with new Glenn is that they will offer launches for ~35 mil. HALF what falcon 9 costs lmao.

>>16445666
>cursed Satan dragon

>>16445779
https://x.com/i/broadcasts/1eaJbaPVDmeGX

>>16445808
Thats half falcon 9's price, not half the cost.
Still, at least we'll finally start to see the results of reducing launch costs now that theres some competition.

WHY ARE THESE COCKSUCKERS HOLDING I HATE YOU JEEEEEEEEEEEEEFFFFFFFFFFFF!

>>16445779
>>16445811
Sir, this remains a SPACE FLIGHT thread.

whats the point of making multiple of these?
this can't be profitable for them

>this is the best competitor to Falcon 9, Falcon Heavy, and Starship

>>16445796
Not a dick, faggot.

>>16445815
FYI all starship launches to date have been suborbital
this is basically the same thing (t. thunderfoot)

>>16445817
It’s not, it’s a money sink lmfao. It’s been confirmed to not turn a profit I have NO CLUE why it hasn’t been cancelled with full resources diverted to New Glenn

>>16445819
Wrong, that is clearly a phallacy

>>16445779
>altitude in feet
>speed in mph
>all those technical issues in the stream
SpaceX really does spoil us

>>16445808
The in-house cost for a Falcon launch is around $15M

>>16445817
They were only gonna have one but then it exploded, so they had to (?) make another one.

>>16445826
competition will force them to start selling nearer to cost.

>>16445808
That's an introductory price so Bezos can "earn money while testing", something he was quite furious he was not allow to like he claimed SpaceX did with their landing tests.

>>16445833
lol

>>16445834
$35m for a New Glenn is a massive loss.

>>16445836
explain how it's a massive loss if they recover the booster?

>>16445838
They ain't recovering shit on the first launch. They're not even going to make orbit.
They have NEVER launched anything but a glorified sounding rocket.

>>16445766
Boy, do I have the perfect Eager Space video for this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNFdR-UpZS8

tl;dw they're so focused on making the Raptor simpler and more powerful to reduce weight and gain thrust, and they want a bigger rocket to carry more propellant, also more thrust lets them get into orbit more quickly. There's a fancy graph showing how much delta v changes affect the Starship payload compared to Falcon 9

SpaceX supporters in this thread are utter clowns.

>>16445843
>SpaceX supporters
If you like space you support SpaceX, it's that simple

>>16445846
>Support Elmo the clown just because of a hobby you have
No.

>>16445843
>SpaceX supporters
Is there some other kind, you wretched women?

I am a little worried about a Blue Origin that can get to orbit. SpaceX needed and needs to be profitable, Blue Origin doesn't and won't. They have infinite money. Elon is rich from a rocket company, Bezos is rich already and can dump it into a rocket company forever. They could sell launches for $59.99 if they really wanted. A shit rocket company completely destroying a good rocket company would not be good.

>>16445847
>infantile name calling
This is perfect trolling, that's exactly what they sound like

>>16445850
What's the point of running a non-profitable company if there's no strategy to eventually become profitable though? Seems like a pointless flex to launch stuff at a loss indefinitely, even if you're a gigabillionaire and don't gain any joy from anything else anymore

>>16445850
Thunderf00t is right that SpaceX price gouge massively and haven't passed the price benefits of reusability on to the consumer. They lowered prices a lot when F9 first started flying recovered boosters, but then prices went back up to cream off as much money as possible.
If Space launch becomes a barely profitable venture for SpaceX then they won't be able to afford to develop superheavy lift launch vehicles.