/sci/ - Science & Math

blushift had a good fire

please god I hope starliner makes an uncorrectible roll maneuver during reetnry

there it goes

>>16364614
OP some constructive criticism if I may:
Good edition
Bad pic
Bad staging on page 9

SAARLINER - edition

>>16364616
5 months ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Soyuz_missions

thruster webm

>>16364614

>>16364616
LAST WEEK

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZ0T-cZWh78

4h 20min until re-entry and landing stream start

>>16364614

>>16364638
No, they're still waiting to launch from Baikonur. The NASA stream was clear about that.

REJECT THREAD EARLY STAGE We stage at page 10 you fucking retarded newfag

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AG3eNnzhkpw

>>16364647
Is this the type of poster you normally get /sci/?

>>16364651
yes

>>16364651
/sfg/ is special. We're like 10% of the posts on the entire board, and singularly responsible for the image cap being bumped. New threads posted before the old one sinks to page 10 tend to get hot pocketed. Please use proper thread hygiene while you are here.

>>16364654
That sucks. I'm normally in /bant/smg/. Don't come to /sci/ often, but I saw it needed a new thread.

https://x.com/forstall_/status/1831895034012287241

>>16364658
we stage on page 10

>>16364658
What the fuck is wrong with you

>>16364658
>I'm normally in /bant/smg/
Go back.

>>16364660
>Gamergate is now a literal star war as Elon has to deal with these freaks to put us on Mars

>>16364634
kino

>>16364636
India is not a serious country

>>16364663
>>16364664
Do you want to talk about my stock market gains today? It was a good day. Regardless the other thread is almost dead anyway so be happy I baked. For free!

https://x.com/GoToImpulse/status/1832132311292199326

>>16364668
We don't keep money on the computers 'round here.

>>16364674
muzzle loading with a spacesuit must suck. how do you rip off the paper case with your teeth

>>16364674
I misread "claim jumpers" as "clam jumpers" and I imagined clam-based Mars landers with robot legs and rocket engines.

which station(s) is in the lead to replace ISS? the nasa-backed ones, not axiom/vast.

>>16364681
axiom

>>16364681
axiom isn't backed by nasa?

>>16364680
>clam-based Mars landers with robot legs and rocket engines.
Now you have to show us what you have in mind by building it in KSP and posting it here.

>>16364683
>>16364684
axiom is it's own thing

>>16364689
its backed by nasa too

>>16364689
what's your definition of nasa-backed then, if axiom doesn't count

>>16364660
this dude is falling apart, search on twitter rn lmao

what was this? something dangerous to ISS or completely harmless? micro meteoroid? missing wrench? a space moth!?!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_79y0yZs0dc&t=1284s

>>16364698
space rat

>>16364689
>>16364681
Axiom gets funding from NASA. It's the most realistic space station. Starlab also has a high chance and I think it also has NASA funding. Vast is good too but only because it's so simple and is fully funded by one Crypto guy.
After those three I guess you could include the Russian Orbital Station. I think it's at least get its two first modules up. Also I think I read Starlab still wants Russian cooperaiton so that might bump their odds a bit too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfEr5XCFNWM

kino kino kino

>>16364690
>>16364692
>>16364702
im talking about starlab/orbital reef/nanoracks/northrop stations

>>16364702
you have orbital reef too with BO and Sierra but if that ever happens, its going to be later than the others
gradatim ferociter (lol)

I work for boing and NASA is just trying to sabotage us, we have no issues

>>16364712
I expect Starliner to land without issue yeah, sucks for Butch and Sunni really i guess

>>16364714
And if it didn't and they were killed the ISS would be retiring early. Artemis delayed 5 to 10 more years. Plus Starship would have less money for development and slow that down. Basically the entire human spaceflight system would be paused.

>>16364706
Starlab/Nanoracks is the same thing and Northrop canceled their Oops! All Cygnus! station proposal so it's now just Starlab vs. Orbital Reefer.

>>16364706
Starlab = Nanoracks = NG
Last time I heard they say they are on track for 2028, so it seems it has a fighting chance to go up before ISS decommision.
Orbital reef will happen, if only because of BO, but god knows when.
Short term only Axiom and Vast are likely to send any hardware up. Axiom is quite far down the road. Vast's plan is simple but we don't know much about the company. My guess is Axiom will launch first but Haven-1 will be the first free floating commercial space station as Axiom's module will still be attached to ISS.

>>16364718
nah, it would all be blamed on boing

>>16364721
>>16364722
>cant even get a simple space station going
the industry outside of spacex is a joke

>>16364725
It gets worse because Russia can't operate the space station without US help, so they would also end their space program or very extended pause. Chinese would no longer have any competition slowing them down.

>>16364718
>the ISS would be retiring early
Why? NASA would just by six more Crew Dragon flights to round out the rest of the missions up to Expidition 85 or whatever.

>>16364728
i feel like at this point we need a country to build a space program that is easily accessible by the global community. for example china puts up a core station module and allows commercial and foreign organizations to attach modules to it. spaceflight is too expensive and closed off. an open source approach would help get things done.

>>16364728
Russia could probably operate the station in a limited mode without any help from NASA, since most of the stations' service functions are in the Russian segment. You might not have commutations through TDRS, but issues like that are more inconveniences than show stoppers. China is on a completely isolated track and isn't being effected by any of this.

>>16364741
>for example china
That's a really bad place to start an idea

>>16364706
>>16364711
Orbital Reef is getting cancelled. At best it might get a module up in 2030.

May Shartliner touch down hard on top of congress that mandated it.

STARLINER JUST HAD A MAJOR MALFUNCTION!

>>16364755
ITS OVER

>>16364634
space is so cool bros

>>16364755
I hate how this AI has no clue about specific spacecraft and launch vehicles, this is what I got when I asked it for an Apollo CM/capsule orbiting next to Salyut-3.

>>16364763
you want good results you gotta do it yourself or pay for it

>>16364763
At least it's vaguely Space. I don't think it understands what a capsule is.

>>16364773
>>16364765
I think this one was trained on a shitzillion movies and tv shows, I wonder if it'd give better results if you fed it all recorded footage of spaceflight next?

>>16364755
>fire really do fall up in space
amazin

>>16364763
the whole ai experience has taught us that being good at CAD requires way more talent than being good at painting landscapes

>>16364776
heat rises in a vacuum too

>>16364778
With art you can be low accuracy but high precision. A landscape is a landscape, and it doesn't need to be correct to be pretty. AI's ability in that area does not diminish the talent of an artist.

>>16364741
>i feel like at this point we need a country to build a space program that is easily accessible by the global community
This is literally the ISS. Every crew launch in history was from either KSC or Baikonur until China put a man up in 2005.

>>16364741
Is this trolling? Are you just uninformed? This approach led to nothing happening for 50 years. Now that the private sector is speeding things up you want to go back to that?

>>16364614
If this blows up on reentry, I would be so happy.

>>16364783
>rises
which way does it go?

>>16364792
the media will somehow blame it on "elon musk's spacex"

>>16364792
I want total parachute failure so that everybody gets a few minutes of elation after reentry but before it slams into the desert floor.

>>16364793
up

>>16364796
I'm pretty sure it'll be fine but this would be the funniest outcome

>>16364744
>Russia could probably operate the station in a limited mode without any help from NASA, since most of the stations' service functions are in the Russian segment.
I don't think Russia paid anything for the power upgrades NASA did. Roll out solar panels, lithium batteries. Russia already wanted to abandon the space station early. They couldn't afford to maintain it alone.

>>16364796
that would be the best result, yes

>>16364796
>Safe, simple, stupid, reliable parachutes, guys!

>>16364741
I propose we call it something to welcome global partners from all over the world, something like the International Space Station perhaps?

>>16364807
Nah, that's gay.

How about McSpaceport?

>>16364658
>>16364668
DONT MAKE A THREAD IF YOURE A NEWFAG, this is like the most obvious thing to any person that has used this website for more than 1 day. We have dedicated bakers that literally push threads out of the way to stage for us at page 10 and we dont need newfag early bakes man. This is not /smg/, culture across generals and especially boards is extremely different. You atleast made a good thread I can say that, and generally the /smg/gers I've interacted with are good people.
>>16364647
Not doing that, its an early stage but the OP is atleast good and generally correct. I wouldve done that if he fucked the Previous link like that other thread.

>>16364799
I'm not sure if those power upgrades would be necessary for maintaining the Russian part of the station, especially now with Nauka coming up with new solar panels and batteries. Definitely would be in some kind of power save mode though similar to how MIR operated for a while after the Spektr module (which contributed something like 50% of the power) got bonked by the Progress.

>>16364629
Pic doesnt really matter nearly as much, thats far more subjective than most of the other points. I still wouldnt split threads, I'll just push the other thread to 10 so we can stop bitching about this and get on with the thread.

Another NASA humiliation. China beats MSR.

Needs more Gateway.

Thks NASA

Escapade delayed until next year
Sorry JEFF
https://blogs.nasa.gov/escapade/2024/09/06/nasa-stands-down-from-october-launch-for-escapade-to-mars/

>>16364814
MSR is stupid. Instead of having a rover picks up the sample, we should send multiple small landers with the sole task of landing, drilling, collecting, then launching the samples to be picked up by an orbiter that will return to Earth.

>>16364826
wouldn't the transfer window be well closed by then? or is NG just so overpowered for escapade that they're gonna bruteforce some stupid trajectory?

>>16364814
China's Mars sample return is unga bunga simple and will literally just be a sample return from a random location in their landing ellipse (which will be huge, because the lander is planned for a no-orbit direct entry). If they succeed it will be because they didn't do anything more difficult than they've done already. It's designed to be first, and that's it.

>>16364829
Don't look now, but Artemis is going to do the exact same thing on the Moon that they're doing on Mars, except their sample return is going to be the Endurance rover linking up with Artemis III

>>16364826
Based (308933) 2006 SQ372 poster

>>16364838
Nobody else posted it

>>16364829
MRS is stupid because it should have been undertaken at any point before now. MSR was originally slated to be a part of one of the later Mars-Voyager missions in the mid 70s. We've been perpetually replanning this mission for the last half century. Just drop it and start making serious plans for a crewed mission.

>>16364834
https://x.com/DJSnM/status/1832163172687749344
Scott Manley says a Venus flyby is possible but will take two years.

>>16364834
>launch mass: 180kg
For a payload that small on a rocket roughly in-between a Falcon 9 and Heavy, I'm not even sure there's really such a thing as a "launch window"

>>16364837

> Y-you successfully returned the first samples from Mars the wrong way! Abloo bloo!

Guess what goes in the Book of Space Records? Especially since those multibillion MSR samples are never leaving Mars at all.

>>16364837
>China's Mars sample return is unga bunga simple and will literally just be a sample return from a random location in their landing ellipse (which will be huge, because the lander is planned for a no-orbit direct entry). If they succeed it will be because they didn't do anything more difficult than they've done already. It's designed to be first, and that's it.
Still better than the nothing that will come from NASA's autistic insistence on the plan involving separate catch rovers, retrieval rovers, Mars launch vehicles, and Earth return vehicles. Seriously they decided on that model in the 70s and have continuously killed any plan that deviates from it

>>16364849
Yeah, and it's a shame that that's all they're going for. The whole reason MSR even exists as a decadal survey priority is because NASA can't do an in situ analysis for life

when will starliner come down? how many bongs remain?

>>16364837
>China's Mars sample return is unga bunga simple and will literally just be a sample return from a random location in their landing ellipse (which will be huge, because the lander is planned for a no-orbit direct entry). If they succeed it will be because they didn't do anything more difficult than they've done already. It's designed to be first, and that's it.

A sample is a sample. If u get btfo by implessive chink engineering that's on u.

Drop Earth soil all over Mars before anyone can get a pristine sample.
>noooo the science!
Fuck you I'm gardening

>>16364861
least intelligent /sfg/ger

>>16364845
>C3=55km2/s2
Jesus. There's trajectories to Jupiter that come in at only half that energy

>>16364793

>>16364871
Why did anon delete this?

>>16364874

>>16364869
Bottomline: BO fucked up so hard they can't salvage it before the window closes up, and now the two satellites need to take a two year detour.
That should have been the headline.

>>16364850

You know what would be even better? If different countries made the different components. That way it's guaranteed to not work.

>>16364591
>Can Orion be used for just basic LEO stuff

LEO is too hot for its cooling system.

>>16364877
We might be a little more than an hour away from watching an unexpectedly uncrewed Starliner carve out a new crater at White Sands. Some rightwards schedule slippage barely qualifies as fucking up, especially when NASA deliberately placed a pocket change bet on an unfinished rocket. Remember, these little guys were supposed to launch with Psyche back in July 2022.

>>16364846
New Glenn's payload drops off hard the farther you go beyond LEO. Worse than Falcon 9 in fact, which is funny considering Blorg went with hydrogen for the upper stage. Bad mass ratio I guess.
It doesn't have much extra capability on a Mars injection, especially not an inefficient one

Sar-liner pulls up short due to engine malfunction. Becomes a fireball headed for Downtown Las Vegas. Vandenberg desperately launches ABMs to try and bring it down before it kills thousands.

Gonna be a fun night.

>>16364897
Wouldn't it be more likely to hit the pacific or beanerville considering the planned trajectory?

>>16364902
White Sands is pretty solidly inland, so I wouldn't expect a splashdown unless something fucks up really bad during deorbit burn. When does it burn anyway, or did it do it already and now its just falling towards PE?

>>16364905
I think about another hour.

Oh yeah I'm staying up past my bedtime to watch this one

>>16364897
where to watch starliner burning up kino?
any livestreams up?

>>16364905
Honestly hoping that it all goes well. I'm just south of white sands, so I'll get a prime view of the saarliner fireball as it comes in. I'll try to get some pics, but no promises because I broke my tripod the other day.

>>16364910
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZ0T-cZWh78

>>16364670
>composites
bad idea, that stuff is implosive

>>16364912
thank you for spoonfeed anon

>>16364914
yer whalecum

>>16364741
Congress has forbidden NASA to do anything with China.

>>16364911
Whatever happens I hope you get a good view of it anon, pics are cool too.

>>16364885
really the only important thing about escapade is demonstrating low-cost interplanetary spacecraft development, but massive schedule slippages like this are the best way to jack up the program cost

>>16364913
stockton rush was based and I yearn for the day someone applies his philosophy to spacecraft.

>>16364927
Yup he’s only an idiot in hindsight. Yes he should have heeded warnings and signs, but everyone clowns on him and I don’t think it’s fully warranted. You can’t make fun of the spirit of adventure. He’s based.
People like james cameron (known narcissistic asshole) come out swinging with stupid phrases like
>well, erm, everybody knew it was going to fail. I knew it was going to fail. I knew they were dead, actually!
Okay bozo at least he had faith of the heart. Maybe you should have warned him, Mr. Cameron, instead of acting smarter than everyone in the world

>>16364927
>At some point, safety is just waste
- Stockton Rush
His disregard for safety fell well beyond that point. I'm not saying NASA's strategy is right, but this guy had the same outlook as a gambling addict. Not connecting your controls to what you're controlling? No redundancy? We're talking about a solution that would've cost like $30 and saved 5 lives

when is shartliner going to explode or disintegrate?

>>16364934
two weeks

>>16364930
The controls had nothing to do with it. They fucking imploded.

>>16364936
nta but what I think he meant was that it COULD have been just another way it could have gone disastrously wrong. i.e. Titan had more than one critical design flaw aside from just the composite problem that ultimately killed everyone

>>16364811
You shouldn't have said anything. Now it just begs me to make a new thread again next time. Also your threads are pretty basic. You don't even have any links or anything to carry forward from thread to thread. So strange the reaction also. Like there is something mentally wrong with some of you. It certainly was not an early bake. Unless you only bake when it hits 1000 posts. But 980 seemed good enough to me.

>>16364938
They had some sort of way of dropping their ballast weights by shifting their weight around to rotate the submarine. Not ideal by any means (a fail-safe electromagnet is the correct way of doing it) but it's not accurate to say they were 100% reliant on the game controller.

so is anything going to use the 2024 mars transfer window?

>>16364941
IFT-7

>>16364938
it had a bunch of design flaws. that's the point. they got away with all but one of them. take those lessons, fix the handful of fatal things, keep the stuff that worked. bada bing bada boom

>>16364943
god, I wish, they could learn so much and gather lots of data by just sending one single exp*ndable starship not intended to survive reentry. planet contamination folks wouldn't be so happy, though.

>>16364944
I don't know if there's anyone else involved but here's some info. It's been going on for 15 years. I've become acceptant of it. I thought it was part of the problem. Seems like an emergency with all the pain I'm in and how I'm hunted by insects and other people. I got the leed done I think, because I know the tech that is common there like a compass/orb that tells you about people and how hell is made legal in a lower class, middle class, random event thing.

>>16364936
If someone said to me "hey bro want to ride in my private submarine" I would be keen. Then I would see the fucking walmart gamepad and immediately assume that other critical areas had been overlooked, cheaped out on or not assembled properly (spoiler alert: they had) and not go within a mile of the thing. The whole thing was Darwinism in action.

>>16364946
I succeeded yesterday/ day before, as well, but I guess it was blocked.

>>16364948
>anon gets invited onto a private submarine
>"whoa, it's actually like a legit submarine"
>gets murdered by a psychopathic necrophile
Say what you want about Stockton Rush, but it's not like he tried to rape anybody's corpse.

>>16364958
And to bring it full circle, wasn’t that psycho also a founder of copenhagen suborbital??

>>16364959
Yes, one of the two founders.

>>16364958
Yeah just avoid submarines I guess.

>>16364962
Can confirm, submariners are weird even in the navy.

>>16364958
he only murdered a woman
anon will never be a woman and is unlikely to be submarine rape murdered

>>16364962
what is a spacecraft if not a submarine in the sky?

>>16364965
a submarine has high pressure on the outside
a spacecraft has high pressure on the inside

>>16364958
>>16364962
In hindsight, the submarine being named Nautilus was a red flag. Also I think it's probably only a matter of time before this scenario plays out in space.

Minor damage reported at Wenchang space center because of the Yagi typhoon, some VAB doors being blown up.

>>16364964
he'll have to settle for being crushed to death in a composite pressure vessel implosion

>>16364971
That's crazy!

>>16364971
BO had it worse. Their VAB's entire door was blown off.

>>16364976
yeah

>>16364965
>>16364968
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4RLOo6bchU

>>16364965
One kills you instantly because of the tiniest containment flaw, the other one you have time to patch a leak and it's actually pretty easy, can fix that bitch with duct tape. Granted, there are still plenty of ways to eat it in space.

it's not that easy in submarinery

>>16364968
spacecraft only have mid pressure on the inside, just one atmosphere, possibly less,
but a submarine can have thousands of atmospheres on the outside, one flaw and you instantly become red mush

>>16364991
Germans figured it out 70 years ago pretty well.

>>16364889
There are no published Isp figures for the BE-3U. It's probably goat ass by hydrolox standards, barely 400s Isp, or else the stage just has way too low a mass ratio.

IFT 5 bros... Whats taking so long?...

>>16364968
As far as pressure goes, space is way easier than the ocean. That's what I always say to the inevitable dumbass comparison normalfags make when you talk about space colonization (I know it has happened to everyone here)

>>16365009
Not that easy in testification

>>16364698
Hopefully just another flying saucer, in the worst case it was a piece of the space station.

>>16364889
>>16364998
It's because the stage has a low TWR and the booster doesn't get it very close to orbit. Add more payload mass and the stage has to fight increased gravity losses.

>>16365009
The FAA are being faggots.

>>16365009
sabotage

>>16364994
germans figured everything out 70 years ago. see also: rockets

Wen boeing explosion, it's doing entry around now right

>>16365009
Eric Roesch (who's address I have found) got the media to cry about an environmental technicality which amounted to a $3500 fine but which compelled a completely unrelated federal agency to grind everything to a screeching halt

>>16365009
Lawfare by regime aligned groups. Be sure to vote appropriately if we're actually given the chance

If they recover the booster on flight five do you think they'll already reuse it for flight six?

>>16365009
There's someone you forgot to ask

>>16365026
no
no reason to, fly newer ones with upgrades

>with landing scheduled for 12:03 a.m. EDT (0403 UTC) on Saturday, Sept. 7

f that, not gonna see shit anyways

>>16365026
I doubt it. How long was it before they tried the first reused F9 booster?
Just be happy for the catch, if they do that.
Also fuck that EDS asshole stirring up federal agency fire ant nests.

>>16365026
I doubt it.
The data they can gain from tearing it apart and inspecting each piece is worth more than what they could save by reusing it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZ0T-cZWh78
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZ0T-cZWh78
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZ0T-cZWh78
come and watch starliner crash

>https://m.youtube.com/live/vZ0T-cZWh78
time to see the fate of shitliner

>>16365026
no

12.1 million watching the NASA live stream at the moment. How's that compare to NASCAR?

>>16365039
that's the subscriber count, Einstein

>>16365039
To be fair people tune into NASCAR to see crashes too

NASA needs to update their mission control decorations

>You guys are the all-star team, you got this.
Why is mission control even gay now

>1 of the 12 RCS thrusters already failed
Oh no no no

>>16365045
the thrusters aren't really needed now right
they've already done their job

sirs...

>>16365047
Those are needed for orientation control after the SM is detached.

>>16365047
Idk anon, they said it was 1 of the 12 on the crew module

William Shatner

>>16364948
>they didn't fully bolt on the submersible's cap because some of the bolt holes were hard to reach
that's what redundancy is for, so you can ignore it

>>16365054
this but unironically

>>16365053
Thank you, Bill.

>>16365053
I was thinking that too.

>>16365054
but they didn't have redundancy

1/12

>shartliner can't send any video feed except when connected to ISS
whew

We won't be able to see shit during the landing (assuming it survives reentry)

>>16364998
Bezos said 445s in the Estronaut interview. Which is in line with what the LE-5B gets as well, so no reason to think he was lying

> Eric Berger - This evening, during tests of the Starliner crew module's 12 RCS thrusters (these are different from the thrusters on the service module), one of them failed. A single failure does not pose a threat during reentry.

How about if another fails?

> No comment! Remove that man!

>12 starship launches per year
cryingbettlejack.png

>>16365067
Mass ratio and early staging then. Hydrologgs needs either 3STO or a giant sustainer core to work right.

>>16365065
Nevermind they have thermal cameras

>>16365070
sorry chud ESG hound said no to that

Can't believe they're still using the Launch America branding

> Boeing Space - The #Starliner deorbit poll is complete. The spacecraft is "go" for landing. The landing phase will take ~44 minutes from deorbit burn to landing.

"Landing". LOL! Sure thing.

>>16365050
If it doesn't orient right we'll get a funny lightshow

>>16365070
Can somebody please think of the piping plover??

>inb4 it lands without any issue
nothing ever happens

Ola! Heads up!

>>16365078
>boeing is so untrustworthy that NASA doesn't believe them when they even correctly say there is no issue

>"We'll start hearing those Mordors err motors"
NASA stream just leaked that the SpaceX lightning welder meme is cannon.

>>16365080
>shitliner lands on some beaner gang banger
wtf I love boing now

>>16365075

We throosting

>>16365081
kek

> Gene J. Mikulka - #NASA #Boeing #Starliner - Recovery teams have completed their safety briefing and are getting ready for thier duties, two minutes from the Deorbit Burn. OMAC 1500lb Thrusters due to fire at 11:17 PM

Ghost Riders in the sky.......

it's working fine.

>>16365080
NASA knows its going to explode on reentry, thats why they chose a path thats over empty open ocean where there will be no witnesses. They're going to drop a replacement shartliner out of a 747 off the coast of Mexico and claim that its the real one.

>no issues
wow what a nothingburger

There goes the service module

>>16365088

> Lennart Koopmann - Watching the NASA Starliner landing stream and I see Windows 8 (?), Edge, a JVM, a terminal and a dozen … Red Hat? [Laughing emoji]

If this piece of shit makes it back ok then it just proves space is easy

>turns out starliner was safe all along and sfg was wrong
boeingbros, we won

>>16365094
no issues yet

>>16365094

Two different sets of control thrusters on two independent section of Starliner have now failed in flight. Again.

Nothing burger.

the risk was deemed too high

Come on burn up already

>>16365102
didn't need 'em

>>16365102
did the capsule explode? no? oh, okay then.

>communications blackout
Starship does not have these problems

>>16365106
Acceptable attitude toward cargo, but not toward crew.

>>16365108
Boing should put a Kuiper terminal on starliner

>>16365106
Sir it hasn't even begun entry yet, cease the victory lap

>>16365108
Boing! didn't want to pay for Starlink.

>>16364641
Someone reply to this if it blows up. I need to sleep

Get immersed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U88DzZcsubs

>>16365111
We watched something reenter just a couple months ago, even if the plasma burns through it's fine

>>16365108
Is it just the sheer size of Starship that allowed for uplink through reentry, or would Starlink enable a capsule like Starliner to stream video continuously through reentry?

>>16365117
>something
does starliner have an ounce of steel in its aerostructure?

>>16365117
This.

A quick buff and some fresh tiles and she'll be right as rain.

>>16365117
>On Saturday, February 1, 2003, Space Shuttle Columbia disintegrated as it reentered the atmosphere over Texas and Louisiana, killing all seven astronauts on board.

>>16365096
>Windows 8 (?)
That is Windows 11.

>>16365109
it's almost the same thing, the point still stands

>>16365118
From what I understand it's the size of the thing that makes a hole in the Plasma wake for starlink to talk to, you could even kind of see it on stream. Tiny capsules don't do that so it wouldn't work.

>>16365099
We won't know if it was safe for a month until NASA publishes the inevitable post mortem of problems.

>>16365124
Based kerbal enthusiast

>>16364614
Why didn’t they bring the astronauts back

>>16365123
>That is Windows 11.
Oh god, oh god, we're all gonna die.

>>16365123
>>16365131
no its not

>>16365129
It didn't pass the human rated safety review because of the thrusters overheating due to teflon seals gong bad.

>>16365125
That's what I thought too, something like Starliner/Dragon/Soyuz gets fully enveloped by a plasma sheath, right? Starship plowed through and is too big to be fully enveloped, leaving a corridor behind it for a signal to get through.

>>16365124
Almost only counts either in horseshoes or with hand grenades.

>>16365113
FUCK THRUSTER JUST EXPLODED

cvte

>>16365123

A different nerd's take:

> Rafael Rivera - Double-high Windows 10 taskbar from NASA (Starliner re-entry/landing feed). X11 forwarded UI, File Explorer, "Duke" (Java) app, WSH-based app, Edge, Notepad++, cmd, ???, and more forwarded UI. But the "recycle bin in taskbar" hack using toolbars is the hero here

Don't think he's watching this with his girlfriend.

>black sands
oops

>>16365131
Calm down, Moss. All of the mission-critical software is running on GNU/Linux.

>>16365129
There were a bunch of helium leaks in the propulsion system and they weren't sure the capsule wouldn't do the Indian RCS Shimmy and and enter the atmosphere on the wrong trajectory, causing the astronauts to burn up, or just fail to reenter at all, stranding them to die in LEO unless SpaceX could hack up a Dragon to Starliner docking adapter and rush a NASA crew launch before they died. There were no guarantees this was going to work.

>>16365137
thank you sbarky, very cute

>>16365137
:(

>>16365142
helium leeks are a separate issue from the thrusters overheating

>>16365142
what are the estimate failure chances?
meme and non meme %

>>16365141
>All of the mission-critical software is running on GNU/Linux.

Did u miss the accidental photos of the saarliner control tablets running Windows after boing told them not to take photos of tablets? Kek

ain't nothin to me man

>>16365138
There is a popular explorer patcher that turns the windows 11 taskbar into one more like windows 10. That said it certainly is not windows 8.

>>16365096
>and a dozen … Red Hat?
That's either W10 with RHEL in WSL or it's some branded RDP/VNC/X11 connection.

>>16365147
>meme and non meme %
50/50
1/70

>>16365147
>meme and non meme %
99% and I dunno lol

>>16365153
>1/70
holy shit is this an official figure? thats a fucking embarrassment

Could we please stop panning the IR camera around to show everyone all the nothing that's happening.

>>16365141
I wonder if NASA has their own spin of a real time Linux.

>>16365156
Not sure there's an official figure since they couldn't get a good enough look inside while it was in space. That sort of analysis just isn't possible. The uncertainty is why there's no people on it. Could be 1/270, could be 1/10, they didn't and couldn't know.

A STARLINER JUST FLEW OVER MY HOUSE

>>16365163
mexican OUT

>>16365105

> While it has been moving away, the flight controllers here on the ground took the opportunity to perform a few tests of Starliner's thrusters. During the test of the Crew Module's twelve small reaction control system thrusters, one of the jets didn't fire when commanded. The reaction control system thrusters on the Crew Module are used to steer Starliner as it makes its way back down to Earth after the Service Module has been jettisoned. Because those twelve jets are divided into two redundant strings of six, Starliner only uses one string during normal operation, so although this means a slight loss of redundancy, it shouldn't keep Starliner from getting through reentry and landing as expected.

So, if a second thruster would have failed on the other string -- loss of vehicle.

>>16365161
Probably more than one. Wasn't ingenuity running on Linux?

>starliner has entered the atmosphere

>"We're not sure how, but the Starliner return somehow knocked the Earth out of its orbit and it's now spiraling rapidly into the Sun."

>>16365161
>>16365167
They have their own custom operating system.
https://github.com/nasa/fprime

is this the part where it turns into a stupid monster movie like Sunshine

>The Mexican Space Agency (AEM; Spanish: Agencia Espacial Mexicana) is the national space agency of Mexico
>The agency does not have infrastructure

if we're not in the blackout show us the telemetry boing!

WOW A PARKING LOT
THANKS, NASA

Space is so beautiful bros

>>16365175
Most inspiring modern NASA media

>>16365175
inb4 something catastrophically wrong and they're sandbagging with this

Can't have anything possibly go wrong for investors so they won't even show telemetry.

LIVE VIEW FROM ISS NO WAY

[scream]

WOOOOOW

>>16365141
That's on SpaceX.

>>16365148
uh oh

Imagine it asplodes on the live view

Kino

only 5 more starliner launches ever right. because atlas

ISS track on starliner

>>16365184
The ISS won't be around long enough for 5 and sharty will never be cheap enough for private flight ventures.

>>16365184
ISS won't last till then lol

>>16365161
>>16365148
Mars Observer failed due to an uncaught java exception

>>16365186
>>16365187
what are they going to do with the leftover atlases?

>>16365188
classic jeetscript L

imagine the Berger article he had pre-written for failure we'll never read.

>>16365180
>due to a clerical error, they put the two astronauts on board by accident

IT EXPLODED

KINO KINO KINO

Callsign: Vulture 1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZ0T-cZWh78

just heard the sonic boom in NM

>>16365189
Kuiper lol

Aww I wanted it to explode.

>>16365198
starliner literally just flew over your house?

IT'S OVER

(For NASA)

>>16365201
actually, yes

>>16365194
I wished

Heatshield away. I can see the airbags.

Okay this is kino, I will admit it

Boeing did it... they won...

>starliner lands
>butch and suni emerge
>claim to have no knowledge of there ever being a change of plan
>???
>then who is on the ISS?
>check ISS comms
>unintelligible screaming

>>16365209
the infrared view is prety neat I grant

>>16365210
It’s over… we lost

APOLOGIZE

APOLOGIZE TO BOEING RIGHT NOW.

the thing that sucks most about starliner is not that it sucks, it's that it doesn't suck enough. being bad enough they didn't bring crew back on it was funny, but then it made it with only non critical issues.
full functionality on time, or big explosions I say

I have to admit, these shots are really cool in IR

Very cool camerawork throughout

> VillageMusungu - Starliner going over the Village of Columbus NM. Even heard the delayed sonic boom.

Elon is live on X.

He's dissolving SpaceX....

don't open it

TOUCHDOWN

NO MORE TEST FLIGHTS NEEDED
next startliner flight is a crew mission

>>16365216
A lot better than they'd be in visible light this time of night that's for sure.

shitliner is back

Boing!
I kneel

>>16365214
No

the biggest losers in all of this are the two people bumped from the next Spacex crew launch

>>16365214
They're still going to have to completely redesign the thrusters on the service module

>>16365215
It will have a series of problems assessed in the after action report that add further delays, it will get to fly again with people but with Boing's speed they won't get many missions before ISS deorbit.

Somehow, Starliner returned.

>>16365214

Second independent set of thrusters on the Command Module failed immediately upon first use. Starliner will never fly again because Boeing won't pay to fix the problems.

APOLOGISE

We did it Broes
It's over for the MUSKRAT

>Didn't explode
>Didn't get stuck in a retrograde orbit
>Safely landed
>two astronauts are now LITERALLY stuck in space for nine months
Kneel, Muskrats. If Elon hadn't meddled in this process, Suni and Butch would be home right this minute.

>>16365237
they would be in new mexico. arguably worse than being stuck in space.

>Boeing won

>SpaceX dissolved

I am very happy right now

Tucson.

>>16365238
This, New Mexico is not fully terraformed.
NM residents, cope.

>>16365240
nice long orange streak

>>16365211
Ah that's just Ramirez.

>proven herself to be a safe ride home
shut the fuck up lmfao

>>16365239
The adults are now in charge we won't let a narcissistic egomaniac billionaire pollute our skys with his space junk and little escape plan to fly to mars after polluting the world with his o-zone destroying tin cans!

Mexico.

AHAHAHAHAHAHA
SUCK IT, MUSKRATS
BOEING FTW

>WE ARE INEVITABLE

Very unfortunate. A win for Boeing is a loss for mankind.

Tucson

yeah, this is now /sfg/- /starliner's fans general/

unmodellable throoster gremlins i kneel..

So it seems the grift will continue

>>16365257
They will surely have to redesign and test out a new thruster doghouse.

Did someone post the thread to /g/ again or is this one guy being funny

I wanted it to blow up for the keks :(

>Here's how Starliner can still explode

>>16365261
Arm a bomb onboard and then set it off. Why Boing would do this? Dont ask me

>>16365261
I am currently driving to white sands, pipe bomb in hand

>>16365259

/pol/ stopping by to troll. Their mission is to ruin every board just like they ruined their lives.

https://x.com/IsidroLeonM/status/1832266066770407904
>sorry for the horrible music, greetings from Guaymas Sonora Mexico

APOLLOGIZE

>>16365266
Good morning saar.

drogue chute deployment

>>16365266
no I don't think I will

>>16365258
Aren't they in a lawsuit with the company that made the original one? Or was that something before? At least the teflon issue is an easy fix

>you've now entered the boeing In outer fucking space timeline
Enjoy your trip

>>16365271
This was the part that actually had me the most worried. NASA and Boeing have had a lot of time to chew over the thruster problems and brainstorm solutions. If there was an issue with the chutes no one would know about it until you popped the cover to deploy them.

>>16365275
cringe political compass meme

I blew it, bros... how the fuck did I fuck up the focus...

average nsf viewer be like

>>16365281
Happens to the best too, Anon. Good try.

>>16365274
There was a lawsuit between Aerojet and the subsubcontractor they outsourced their valve work to, but I think that got settled a while back.

The capsule could've returned the astronauts but instead it's filled with garbage and dirty laundry.

>>16365188
Should've written it in Rust

>>16365281
And of course by the time I could fix it (about 3 seconds) the fireball was gone, leaving only the trail
Anyway it was cool seeing it (with my eyes) and hearing the sonic booms.

>>16365281
Just say you were going for a stylized, more abstract shot (it is really cool you saw it though, I'm jealous)

>>16365275
No way??? That has never happened before!!!

>>16365286
NASA only allows certain languages and Rust isn't one of them

>>16365290
space shuttle was just a large capsule attached to a giant cargo trunk

>>16365293
and wings, don't forget that it has wings

>>16365296
It didn't need them if not for DoD autism

>>16365293
That's not the worst analogy

>>16365297
it already flew like a brick. I struggle to imagine it landing in the timeline where it had the tiny as designed wings

>>16365298
>starliner
>orion
>ppts
>dreamchaser
>no buran

>>16365303
It never flew comrade. Let it go

>>16365303
Rightfully so. During its only flight it didn't even have life support systems installed.

>>16365253
gayest city in arizona

BOEING WON GET OVER IT FAGGOTS

>>16365305
as opposed to orel and dreamchaser which...

>>16365310
and orion...

>'cado lost all his weight
>Boeing managed to successfully land Starliner
It's a good day.

>>16365316
Good for him, but I don't think I'm going to be able to resist the urge to call him Diet Tate

>landed safely
nothing ever happens

>>16365253
Starliner is finished when the HOA Karens learn of this

>>16365316
go back to the sharty offtopic soijak faggot ur not welcome here.

>>16365266
I'm sorry you're gay.

>>16365321
meds now

spehs

Uh bros this is a SHITLOAD of ejected FOD. Like way too fucking much. One of the primary risks associated with parachute deployment systems is liberated ejecta smashing into the canopy (be it main or drogue) and tearing a hole clean through it. There is just no fucking way this much liberated material from the backshell, of any type or timeline, is intentional or controlled.

There's a non-insignificant chance that the huge amounts of yellowing we saw of Starliner's exterior was in fact UV degradation of the materials (especially of the adhesives typically used to retain backshell components) and could have weakened them due to the extended stay on ISS. Compare Dragon, which looks basically just as pearly white when it undocks after six months as it does when it arrives, and you can get a sense of just how much of a beating the materials took.

It suggests to me that Boeing never intended Starliner to stay in orbit as long as it did, and knew that their materials would essentially microcrack until they crumbled if they were up there for that long. Of course, this is not something that would have concerned NASA when they decided to keep the crew on orbit, since really the only failure mode associated with that risk would be shredded chutes and ISS would be completely fine. However, it may very well have played into their decision making to keep them in orbit, in addition to the thruster chicanery.

>t. materials guy who knows certain things

>>16365344
I did actually think the capsule was breaking up for a second. That was a huge plume.

post flight presser time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2INMWLsb19M

Berger question time!
>Boeing didn't show up for some reason
lol lmao
>it's been a decade since CCrew - has the experiment worked and what's the future of commercial space?

oh shit Dreamchaser is confirmed going to the ISS next year

>What surprised you positively about Starliner?
>UHHHHHH

.... but everything went great with the return and there were no problems.

Sure.

>>16365344
Cool cope, MuskRat.

Nobody cares anymore. Back to deadness and twomoreweeksposting

>>16365348
So their ideal solution to the thrusters is WONTFIX don't use them too much.

>>16365366
>drops mic
>ghosts NASA
>refuses to elaborate

>>16365265
It actually doesn't look that fast.

>>16364658
this is exactly why we should always automatically reject threads made before page 10

>>16364634
nice

>>16365380
It's literally not worth it for the remaining lifetime of the ISS.

chances of polaris dawn launching this week?

God, could you guys imagine the fucking catastrophe that would occur if something happened during Dragon 2's return trip with Suni and Butch?

>>16365374
There is objectively way more FOD this time on drogue deploy than on the footage from OFT-2. Regardless of what vehicle you're seeing, this kind of thing is immediately concerning to those of us in the know about what we're looking at. I'll bet the recovery system engineers are shitting their pants right about now. They definitely have some root cause work to go do.

>>16364614
i just woke up! i am so excited to watch the polaris dawn mission today!

>>16365399
Good thing it never will.

>>16365404
Hypothesis: cheap ass piece of shit coatings and such got blasted by radiation and turned into the space ship version of apple crumble

The identity of the other suspected alt, @ermnmusk, was confirmed by court exhibits seen by HuffPost, which first reported on the deposition.

That revelation was just one of many striking moments in a bizarre and heated two-hour questioning session, which often saw the opposing lawyers talking or shouting over each other.

The deposition comes as Mr Musk is being sued over a series of tweets from last June in which he boosted false claims that a 22-year-old Jewish man named Ben Brody had participated in a neo-Nazi rally as an undercover agent provocateur.

Mr Brody has sued the billionaire businessman seeking damages for the wave of harassment and threats that he suffered in the aftermath of Mr Musk's tweets. Mr Musk's lawyers meamwhile contend that his conduct did not constitute libel.

>>16365405
We have Polaris Dawn at home

>>16365404
You only saw that shit because it was in infrared. In normal visible light you wouldn't see anything out of the ordinary. Don't exaggerate.

>>16365408
spaceflight?