/sci/ - Science & Math

For some reason a janny just decided to delete the actual previous thread alltogether, had like 200 replies

concerning

>>16362083
was it you? faggot

I woke up and there was no /sfg/
never do that to me again

>>16362086
Who do you think I am?

>>16362082
Good lol, dogshit general belongs on /n/

https://x.com/SpaceAbhi/status/1831464741207994717

SPEHS

>>16362082
now when I think about it I think it was actually past the bumplimit, might have been at 400-500 actually

>>16362107
https://www.oaoa.com/local-news/in-south-texas-spacex-faces-skepticism-over-environmental-damage/

>>16362105
yeah 576 posts lmao

https://archived.moe/sci/thread/16360701/

What's the latest Starship conspiracy theory?

>>16362107
>>16362109
Who cares what a bunch of no name losers think?

>>16362082
We need to dock their pay

https://x.com/SciGuySpace/status/1831687728997556512

reposting (though with another Berger comment)

>>16362115
It pisses me off that the only reason we have this problem is that congress mandated that orion can't launch on anything besides SLS. The solution to this problem is obvious, launch it on falcon heavy and test the new reentry profile. It's too late now but it's still a damning inditement of nasa that this obvious solution hasn't even been floated.

>>16362082
Good. It had too much offtopic shit.

>>16362121
not publicly floated, you would probably lose your job if you did that at NASA as people have for other reasons (like choosing Starship for HLS)

>>16362117

>>16362123
not really especially, nowhere near enough to warrant deletion
and even then its better to archive it
this smells like something personal or a derangement syndrome of some sort

>>16362125
Again, a damning inditement of nasas culture.

>>16362082
I think it was the titties

Doing

>>16362134
there were no titties >>16362111

>>16362078
Is Neutron going to be all archemedes or will it have rutherfords somewhere?

>>16362152
Why would it have rutherford? They're heavy as fuck.

>>16362082
It was the d*tch. I piss on their graves.

>>16362158
Falcon 1 and 9 both use merlins. NS and NG both use be3s. Rocketlab should have more pride in their engine designs than to move away from them like that.

>>16362138
In the OP gaia was. Thats the one thing janny ALWAYS deletes threads for even if its stupid like this

>>16362166
The problem with rutherfords is that they need batteries which are heavy as fuck and theres no room for improvement besides waiting on battery advancements. Turbo-pump engines are just better.

https://spacenews.com/spacex-satellites-with-tesat-terminals-achieve-first-laser-data-exchange-for-u-s-military/
>ARLINGTON, Va. — Two SpaceX-built satellites successfully exchanged data using optical communications terminals in a milestone for the U.S. Space Development Agency (SDA), the agency’s director Derek Tournear said Sept. 4.

Nobody has new ideas, we're still just making things people thought up 75 years ago. Is this where our resident billionaire got the idea? Make it but bigger for Mars?

Will there be a stream of saarliner undocking or will boeing be too ashamed to show it?

>>16362187
It's hard to come up with new stuff if you're stuck in LEO.

>>16362188
Not boeing’s call.

>>16362188
yes there will
stream starts before undocking, then there is a pause and it continues like 4h later before re-entry starts
time between undocking and re-entry is like 6h

>>16362181
Just in time for the Reagan biopic. Gobbless Ameriga!
>>16362188
I think NASA said they would. The cameras are on the ISS, not Shartliner, Boing doesn't have much input.

>>16362181
how much money does spacex make from starshield? i heard its only a 1.8b shared contract. seems very little money to sell your soul for and put starlink at risk

https://x.com/erdayastronaut/status/1831708888028127497
New Blorigin tour GET IN HERE

>>16362204
starlink at risk? There are more starlink sats than every nation on earth combined has ASAT

>>16362205
When was this taken?

>>16362207
chinas already working on new asat tech

>>16362205
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hu8SlfmpKM4
>First Ever Tour Of Blue Origin's Massive New Glenn Launch Pad w/ Jeff Bezos!

>>16362208
seems like it happened right after part 1, so May if I remember correctly

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallen_Angels_(Niven,_Pournelle,_and_Flynn_novel)
>the lunatic fringe of the environmental movement controls the US government. Abandoned by Earth, the space colonies replenish their air by scoop-ships diving into the atmosphere
Read this to stoke hate for Earthers

>>16362102
>$63 billion revenue in 2030
thats only half of comcast's current revenue. im surprised spacex makes so little money even though their growth forecast is insane.

>>16362218
Comcast has like 80 million residential customers plus all their business contracts plus iirc they own NBC.

>>16362187
Just like how the Greeks invented faggotry 2500 years ago but here you are

>>16362219
if comcast can own nbc then starlink can own X

>>16362218
this is a forecast from one analyst

earthchads, moon people are lunatics, but what will we call martians?

>>16362213
final assembly bay with flight article

>>16362228
booster strak with thermal fabric

>>16362213
>>16362228
So is new glenn going to have the strakes or not? That test article and estro’s graphic have them but I didn’t see them anywhere in the last tour or on another test article.

>>16362233
Nevermind there’s my answer I guess. >>16362231

>>16362102
>>16362218
It's still over double NASA's entire budget.

If Starlink does grow this much, and I don't see why it wouldn't, we'll live in a world where SpaceX can self-fund Moon and Mars base building. I'm not talking about a few scattered surface modules and a flagpole, they'll make McMurdo station look like a fucking joke.

>>16362231
nitrogen and hot gox, hot ox lines for autogenous pressurization

>>16362217
>scooping air from earth
That's too retarded for me to suspend my disbelief. Authors who try to write scifi while not knowing about ISRU are midwits (the worst kind of wits)

>>16362226
kaseijin

>>16362239
gox line is in the middle, O2 tank is at the bottom and LNG tank is at the top because lox is heavier

What is the worst planet in the universe and why is it Earth?

>common bulkhead
huh, I thought those were impossible, at least that is what CSS told me

https://x.com/SpaceX/status/1831715816422752429

>>16362248
Shut the fuck up nobody cares

>>16362250
Blorigin shill detected

>>16362248

https://x.com/NASANewHorizons/status/1831406084386353487
https://pluto.jhuapl.edu/News-Center/News-Article.php?page=20240904

>A new, peer-reviewed study authored by NASA’s New Horizons Kuiper Belt search team reports the detection of an unexpected population of very distant bodies in the Kuiper Belt, an outer region of our solar system populated by ancient remnants of planetary building blocks lying beyond the orbit of Neptune. The study used data collected with the 8.2-meter diameter Japanese Subaru Telescope in Hawaii. New Horizons is the NASA’s spacecraft sent to explore the Pluto system and the Kuiper Belt.

RIP Planet 9 hypothesis

>>16362250
gonna cry?

>>16362248
Wooo, more Muskrat pollution. After he blocks out the stars will he cover the sky with Putin propaganda? The government needs to arrest this con artist, he doesn't do anything except suck up money and destroy the environment.

>>16362256
Actually very cool, that means theres a while new group of objects to discover for astroonomers. Im gonna look at this study, figure out how far out they are.

It's nice to have a daytime landing for once

>>16362257
yeah

It's the barge of death stripped to bare steel.

>>16362078
My brain is having difficult comprehending the shape in that image.

>>16362260
It's funny how a 9th planet was one of the more boring potentials.

>>16362243
the forward section gets attached here, then the second stage to that

>they don't know i'm about to fry some beetles

>>16362268
10 miles to the pad

>>16362271
integration facility

>>16362240
I respect your autism but its a plot device to put spacers in peril from commie Earther shitheads

>>16362273

>>16362276

>>16362278
transporter-erector with a payload simulator and a mass simulator for the second stage and booster

>>16362267
Nah, a multiple Earth mass world plus potential moons is cooler than more Sednoid pygmies

>>16362267
Its actually not that. The group is around 70-90 AU out, which is near Sedna's PERIHELION not aphelion or inbetween. They say
> The new result has multiple implications. One is that the Kuiper Belt may extend farther than formerly believed, or that there is a second Kuiper Belt beyond the one observationally discovered in the 1990s. A second implication is that the New Horizons spacecraft, now about 60 times as far from the Sun as Earth, is not past the Kuiper Belt as earlier expected.
Honestly, now I'm just more confused. You would think that the planetary disc would leave a pretty smooth distribution all the way out to its edges, but if it turns out we actually have a second outer belt, then what cleared out most of the stuff in between? It cant be planet 9 because that was theorized to have a high inclination to match the theory. Also, how long until more of these new objects are actually found and identified if they exist, or how can they verify if NH is past the kuiper belt or not?

Tim: When was Blue Origin founded again?
Bezos: *long audible inhale*

>>16362279
Blue Origin is going to have to design a whole new stage 0 for second stage landings if they want to copy SpaceX at this point

>>16362279
How does it simulate mass?

>>16362284
Thats insane

>>16362286
I guess it has more stuff attached to it to simulate vibrations etc instead of just being "mass"

>>16362285
>Tim:That is...
*Bezos looks over*

>>16362291
pivot point of the erector

>>16362283
>You would think that the planetary disc would leave a pretty smooth distribution all the way out to its edges
Why would I think that?

>>16362292
large hydraulic actuators partly undegroudn

>>16362239
hot gox and lox? am I retarded

Eric Berger has had just about enough of SLS, thank you very much.

>>16362294
water cooled flame duct

>>16362297
based

>>16362256
>population of very distant bodies in the Kuiper Belt
the kuiper belt is full of bodies. what makes these ones any different?

>>16362298
175m tall lightning arrestor tower

>>16362293
I mean like smooth decrease in distribution when it was first formed no? Maybe im stupid here but mass density of the disk would smoothly decrease the further out you get if no other planetary bodies have been formed yet. This would extend to modern day Kuiper belt/scattered disk since no large planetary masses have been detected that wouldve cleared a significant path in its orbit no? If this secondary outer belt does exist what wouldve made that drop in mass density between them happen?

>>16362303

>>16362302
This is 70-90 AU out while the known kuiper belt is 30-50 AU. After that was assumed to be the scattered disk which was a far less dense area. My question is what cleared the area between 50-70 AU out if there truly is a new belt out there.

>>16362305
Why would it start smooth and then get roughened out by planets. Why wouldn’t it start irregularly dense?

>>16362208
>>16362213
yeah late May, Bezos just said it when talking about the good weather

>>16362310
Why would it do that you think? You can see in these images that they start out with a smooth distribution, and those extra belts/cleared bands are from planetary masses sucking in everything in their orbit. Its why planets have the requirement of clearing their orbit to be classified as such. These generally have a pretty smooth distribution though like I thought. I can look into it more I guess

>>16362306

>>16362082
Bet it was from those dutchboys sperging out

>>16362322

>>16362330

>>16362322
>Dude I almost had you

>>16362331

https://x.com/spacex/status/1831731327898669335
Payload deploy in 9 minutes, stop by bros.

>>16362334

>>16362336

>>16362339
historic blockhouse for observing launches with periscopes (cameras were shit and unreliable back then)

>>16362342


>>16362284
>Bezos: 2000

>>16362347
Apparently BO looked at 3-4 years at ways how to beat chemical rockets when the company was started before it came obvious only reusability mattered, chemical rockets are fine for earth launch.
Looked at different reusability architectures but decided on vertical landing
Pic related is their first prototype vehicle which was jet powered.

>>16362358
first vertical takeoff and landing propulsion module prototyep

>>16362359
PM2 prototype that lost its hydraulic system that didn't land
skipped PM3 and PM4 became New Shepard

>>16362362

>>16362364
>the real transition for Blue Origin only started two years ago from a R&D phase into a rate manufacturing phase
>our goal now is to become one of the most decisive companies and one of the best companies at rate manufacturing

It didnt let me copy the text so heres the abstract for that New Horizons paper.

>>16362367
>I remind people of this every chance I get: spaceflight is a solved problem
>It has been solved for 50 years
>What is unsolved is the cost, we need to do it 100x cheaper

Apparently Netflix is making a documentary about SpaceX/Starbase/Starship

https://x.com/INiallAnderson/status/1831497756214767725

>>16362371
>when two college kids in a dorm room can build the next big space company
>If they can, we did our jobs right
>the barrier of entry is too big
>the primary reason I left my CEO role at Amazon was to focus my time on Blue Origin
>I am still very involved with Amazon mostly on the AI side, but Blue is where I put most of my productive efforts
>I am working harder than I ever have

>>16362328
Jannies are B*lgian, confirmed.
>>16362368
Damn, there's still so much we don't know of our own solar system. Imagine if SpaceX were allowed to play with nuclear, they could be launching swarms of deep-space probes with Starship left and right in all directions to explore it all. That begs the question, is there even enough nuclear material ready to be used like this? Or would Musk have to found NuclearX?

>>16362371
>we need to do it 100x cheaper
New Glenn will NOT be the rocket to make that happen.

>>16362376
For me, it's "Mars: Inside SpaceX" from NatGeo. I loved that documentary, it really gives you goosebumps during some parts, felt like a movie. I wish they did a second part that is now focused on Starship.

>>16362226
>Earth
Earthers (derogatory)
>Moon
Wardens (keeping the earthers' heads down, thank you for your service)
>Asteroids
Hobos (travelling workers, respectable)
>Mars
People

>>16362297
Berger wants those SRBs gone just as much as >we do

>>16362240
They could have used the identical premise (Earth cuts off support for space) without also writing that the space people need to scoop Earth's air. The space people just need to be struggling.

>>16362379
>if SpaceX were allowed to play with nuclear, they could be launching swarms of deep-space probes with Starship left and right in all directions to explore it all.
SpaceX isn't in the probe business because it's neither profitable nor useful as a step towards colonizing Mars. Congress wouldn't pay for a hundred kuiper belt probes even with the launch costs reductions SpaceX could bring to the table. Congress would pay for one probe and they'd give the contract to JPL and you know exactly how that would turn out.

Elon getting into nuclear would be a great idea, but not because it'd be good for advancing spaceflight. If he started mass producing cheap thorium reactors he could do to the power utilities what he's done for electric cars are space launch services.

No one could look as good as you

Mercy

>>16362285
my thought exactly. I hope Bezos at least realizes this and has it on the table. It needs to have that barnyard engineering a la Super Heavy. Learn to make it cheap, and get the reuse to 50, 100, 250 flights, even more…
Right now GS1 is an artesian factory princess that can only be reused, at best, 25 times. That’s not good enough

>>16362244
All of the suffering in the entire universe's history has been localized to Earth

>>16362389
>Hobos (travelling workers, respectable)
An' don' you fuckin' ferget it, bub

>>16362297
EUS makes berger seethe—and rightly so

>>16362395
>Getting 69 on the cover of AvWeek
Nice

>>16362396
its basically a scaled up F9 but big enough that second stage reuse might be possible and make sense unlike with F9 second stage

>>16362391
The SRBs are actually the least bad part of SLS. They're only slow and expensive when you're comparing them to anything other than the rest of rocket that they're flying on. Next to the EUS debacle BOLE is a dream.

>>16362391

Without them, SLS can't even get off the pad. Suppose Congress could fund liquid strapons, but that's another 10 years and $10 billion.

>>16362404
You're in danger fag...

Because it's retard flu season and all retards are gonna die soon, to retard flu, you retard.

>>16362394
>SpaceX isn't in the probe business because it's neither profitable nor useful as a step towards colonizing Mars.
I'm aware, but with the price reductions that Starship will be able to offer I'm sure many institutions and some companies will start looking into it and we'll get something. Not saying it will happen overnight, but it's a good prospect compared to the alternative that oldspace offered us: maybe 1 or 2 more probes into the Kuiper Belt this century(!!) and.. that's it. Also, I can see them developing in the future something similar to RocketLab's Photon, basically a common bus for anyone to customize. The only roadblock here is the nuclear part and the DSN thing, but the latter would be more trivial to solve.

>>16362244
I don't know anon, life on TOI-1431b might suck if you're not a fan of hot weather, but that's just my opinion.

>>16362393
The "space people" are all in habitats in Earth orbit that were never intended for self sufficiency; there is no presence elsewhere.

https://www.reddit.com/r/SpaceXLounge/comments/1f9nk12/comment/llmtd7e/

>>16362407
>but that's another 10 years and $10 billion.
It's a great idea, then, as long as oldspace gets the contracts.

fags

>>16362391
Berger doesn't care about the SRB, they are actually on time and budget.

LRB would be better but at this point unless SpaceX or Blue were given the contract it would be another 5 years a billions of dollars.

>>16362394
Agreed on the nuclear reactor point except the specifics around the fuel choice really don't matter, what actually matters is having ~10 megawatt electric scale modular reactors with high core temperatures that can be deployed on the Moon and Mars.

A 10 MWe reactor needs roughly a 30 MWt radiator. For a radiator with 0.9 emissivity (equal to brick) that means a radiator 12,000 meters square, or 110x110 meters. Sounds like a lot, but it's something that could be delivered in a small number of Starship launches, and once we have one reactor running and supplying a constant 10 MWe day and night, fabricating more radiator panels for additional reactors becomes very doable. A radiator panel can be as simple as a printed aluminum plate with internal fluid channels and a top coat of lunar/mars dust sintered on to increase the emissivity. Hook them up to a thermal fluid distribution manifold and you're done.

Also high temperature reactors are beneficial for the Moon in particular because it means even in daylight the radiator can remain much hotter than the surrounding land yet still be cooler than the reactor core.

>>16362430
More author retardation. Thank you for warning me to stay away from that book.

>>16362431
I get that that’s the spacex dickriding subreddit but damn they’re bending over backward to claim NG will be worse than FH

>>16362443
that is something that might happen
lets say someone like bezos wins, he prefers to build O'neill rings and so on instead of going to Mars so there is no permanent (at least big enough to be anywhere near self-sufficient) colony on Mars and a bunch of space stations around earth
suddenly communists get in power and they want to kill all "rich people", this would include anybody that has gone to space, but they also kill the people responsible for launching rockets so they can't do anything with space stations (at least on the short term)
a martian base would die off, space stations with perhaps more consumables might survive a while longer
kind of contrived still though lol

https://x.com/AJ_FI/status/1831558113616408701
>ILRS: Senegal joins the China-led International Lunar Research Station. In addition, subnational entities from UAE, Switzerland, Serbia, Pakistan and South Africa have signed up.

>At the opening ceremony, Li Guoping, chief engineer of the China National Space Administration, signed the "Agreement on Cooperation on the International Lunar Research Station" with Maram Kaye, Director of the Senegalese Space Agency. The Deep Space Exploration Laboratory signed the “Deep Space Exploration Laboratory” with 10 international institutions such as the Belgrade Observatory in Serbia, the Swiss Spacetalk Company, the United Arab Emirates Orbital Space Company, the Panama Space Science Innovation Center, Banda Lampung University in Indonesia, the National University of Science and Technology of Pakistan, the "Belt and Road" Science and Technology Association, the South African Radio Observatory, the African Space Development Foundation, and the African Business Alliance.

>>16362460
I'm surprised there are still no countries apart of both.

>>16362469
Peru is kinda on both sides. They're an Artemis signatory, but they're also a part of the Asia-Pacific Space Cooperation Organization which is organized by China. The UAE and Switzerland are both in Artemis but now have companies headquartered in them in ILRS. I'm not sure what ties Rwanda, Angola, and Nigeria have with the African Business Alliance but they're all Belt and Road members.

The big ones to keep an eye on are Turkey and Indonesia. Both of them are geopolitically important countries that have expressed and pursued interests in space and they're both very good at playing the East-versus-West game.

https://x.com/Gwynne_Shotwell/status/1831754119461384435

>>16362499
based mommy shotwell

>>16362469
didnt UAE try but the US threatened them into abandoning the idea?

>>16362469
They are political signaling by non spaceflight countries of whose side said country is on.

>>16362513
That's pretty much where we're at. Turkey and Indonesia haven't declared for a side and probably won't baring some major development on Earth. Iran, the Stans, and North Korea haven't signed on with ILRS but that's just a formality, as is Taiwan's current non-signatory status. The remainder of the ESA only accounts for about 5% of the agency's budget and doesn't have a big industrial interest like Germany, France, and Italy, so it's safe to say that space just isn't a priority for them. None of the other countries on the map really matter.

https://x.com/sen/status/1831693269790503027
>We are now commissioning our 4K cameras on the International Space Station. This is a timelapse of one of the views we are seeing from our horizon camera...

Didn't someone just mention ISS camera quality in the last thread or two?

>>16362439

>the SRB are actually on time and budget!

> To replace the asbestos-based insulation used in the shuttle-era boosters, Northrop Grumman initially signed a $4.4 million contract modification in 2011. However, the final cost billed to NASA amounted to $253 million, including $28.5 million in award fees.

> NASA contracting officers opposed paying the award fee and rejected two requests from Northrop Grumman. However, agency officials circumvented standard procedures by convening an “independent assessment team” comprised of former NASA employees, who ultimately recommended paying the award fee. The inspector general’s report criticizes this move as a “significant and continuous disregard for Agency regulations and official processes”.

Have any suborbital launches been conducted from bodies other than earth?
There have of course been a number of rockets launched from the moon, but only orbital to my knowledge.

The Boing Starliner is planned to undock from ISS in approximately 27 hours.
What are your predictions for what happens?

>>16362296
gaseous oxygen and liquid oxygen

>>16362555
Bunch of failures that look bad but wouldn’t have actually killed the crew. More thrusters, maybe the parachutes or airbags in such a way that redundancy would have covered them.

>>16362548
That's not good or acceptable, but compared to the shitshow of ML-2/EUS or how the core stage crew at Michoud are too diverse to weld properly it's barely noticeable.

>>16362555
Burns up on reentry

>>16362548
>change requirements after the contract was signed
>it results in additional costs

One of the greatest advantages of fixed priced contracts is it forces NASA to stop fucking around and creating acope creep.

>>16362553
The moon has no atmosphere so every jump from there is technically a suborbital space launch

>>16362566

> Costs are 50x the original contracted estimate
> Why so mad?

>>16362562
SRBs are absolutely part of that shitshow
They had to completely rebuild ML1 after Artemis I because the acidic exhaust ruined the steel -- so they "borrowed" ML2 components to fix it, which pushed ML2 even further behind schedule

>>16362574
Note the anon avoids the cause of the cost increase.

>>16362581
>They had to completely rebuild ML1 after Artemis I

Where do you people come up with this stuff?

>>16362581
Plus (one of) the reason you even need these Mobile Launcher abominations is the weight of the solid boosters

>>16362529
>4K ISS video
but is it live streamed

>>16362587
https://oig.nasa.gov/wp-content/uploads/2024/05/ig-24-011.pdf

Read the section on ML-1 damage.

>>16362555
thrusters failed before or during deorbit burn leads to starlliner sitting in a degraded but stable orbit. bonus point if one of the thrusters failed catastrophically.
realistically >>16362560

>>16362608
>Read the section on ML-1 damage.

quote it saying

>They had to completely rebuild ML1 after Artemis I because the acidic exhaust ruined the steel

Post yfw when tomorrow it turns out shartliner would've killed them

>>16362619

>>16362619

>>16362308
Gaps in solar system belts are formed by planets. That's where Planet 9 is.

>>16362635
And fags are spawned by OPs

>>16362619
What would the consequences even be?

>>16362619

>>16362635
If a super Earth was only 50-70 AU it would have been spotted long ago.

https://x.com/AJ_FI/status/1831778804064211191
>Launch: A Long March 6 rocket lifted off from Taiyuan 1830 UTC today, carrying a new set of 10 satellites into orbit for automaker Geely's connectivity and navigation constellation.

>>16362586

The bid was for the cost of the ECO. How are you trying to justify the vendor missing their own number by 50 fold?

>>16362658

"Is that pounding noise from inside?"

"No! Ignore that! Detach. DETACH!"

>>16362668
what would happen to the ISS if this ripped the docking port out while it got away? Would the ISS have to be abandoned?

>>16362658
and not a peep from "astronomers" eh?

>>16362675
>ripped the docking port out
Anon.... there's nothing holding the ISS in place...

>>16362499
yay, more scammers connected to the internet

>>16362687
inertia nigga

>>16362187
>Nobody has new ideas, we're still just making things people thought up 75 years ago
This is true for almost all advancement in technology these days, not just spaceflight. Shit like machine learning and neural networks was all thought up in '80s, we just didn't have the processing power and cloud infrastructure to pull it off on a large scale until a few years ago. Our advancement as a species isn't held back by a lack of innovation but simply an inability to devote economic resources to advancing as a species.
Humanity peaked in 20th century and we're all just coasting off the achievements of our forefathers.

>>16362555
Thrusters fire but it fails to detach. ISS ripped in half.

>>16362642
Boeing executives will blame everybody except themselves, and Bill Nelson will hold a press conference saying he is 100% certain that astronauts will ride Shartliner next time.

>>16362693
having an idea is easy, execution is hard

>>16362683
The stock LM-6 has a SSO payload of just over a ton. Once you add in the dispenser and whatever adapters it was carrying there's not much room for payload when you're dividing it ten ways. These things are practically smallsats.

>>16362658
>automaker launching their own GPS clone
yeah sure.

>>16362555
>What are your predictions for what happens?
Despite several thrusters glitching out on it the Starliner makes its way safely back to Earth, finally coming to rest at White Sands, at which point it will explode.

I like New Glenn, I would like it a lot more if it was flying though.

>>16362690
>>16362695
They thrust like wimps when approaching/departing the ISS, it probably wouldn't rip a string

w e t

>>16362555
Progress-esque collision with the ISS

>>16362744
bonk

>>16362555
It lands on a Havasupai Indian's head marking it final failure.

>>16362744
This made me realize a previously unknown fear of being on a space station while a retard pilots spacecraft around it.
We can barely trust aircraft pilots, can we trust the space pilots of the future?

>>16362752
A space pilot likely won't want to fucking kill himself by accident. But I'll feed your little fear with something far, far worse: can you trust Rajeesh's autopilot docking code?

>>16362742
Ganymede is the best celestial body for terraforming, even better than Mars in my opinion. As that inforgraphic shows, already has a lot of water, just hidden under the surface, along with a magnetosphere and a very thin oxygen atmosphere. We would just have to electrolysize enough oxygen and transport enough nitrogen to get a breathable atmosphere, assuming there's none to be extracted from the moon itself. But I don't know if it has enough mass to hold onto an atmosphere thick enough for humans and it might get pretty cold when it's in Iupiter's shadow, even if the tidal forces from Iupiter can generate heat..

>>16362761
Sitting directly in Jupiters radiation belt is great. Everyone ignore Callisto exists so this anon can be right

What did he mean by this?
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1831780539998859682

>>16362765
>Sitting directly in Jupiters radiation belt is great.
Not great, not terrible.

>>16362766
That's insane!

>>16362766

>>16362775
It was wall.

Checking if I can see the right side of it.

>>16362449
>that is something that might happen
It really isn't. Industries for mining and fabricating in space are a prerequisite to any orbital habitats big enough to sustain life for more than a few months without in-depth support from Earth for pretty much every resource.

https://x.com/StarshipGazer/status/1831804496768593988
>Freshly painted launch mount legs is always a good sign.
>9/5/24

>>16362766
Wow [math]\unicode{x1F92F}[\math]

>>16362765
>Everyone ignore Callisto exists so this anon can be right
I actually wasn't aware Callisto had its own magnetic field until I looked it up because of your post, so I thought it wouldn't be as easy to terraform.
I stand corrected, Callisto is probably a better candidate than Ganymede because there's less radiation.

>>16362766
lmao estronaut's reply
https://x.com/erdayastronaut/status/1814601144062386479
>nooo you can only talk about space with me so I can get more Patreon gibs

>>16362635
Look at Saturn's rings. Not all gaps contain an object, some gaps come from gravitational perturbance from objects relatively very far away.

>>16362786
nice

>>16362690
Inertia doesn't matter when the thrusters can only produce a tiny force.

>>16362698
This. Ideas are a diamond dozen.

>>16362742
Outdated
>confirmed Mars has way more water than once thought, stored in a giant deep aquifer, much or most of it probably liquid
>discovered the Moon has way more potential water than thought, due to hydrogen from solar wind trapped inside dust that can be reacted with lunar oxygen to make H2O
>Speculation, but Mercury is probably just as loaded with hydrogen as the Moon, though it may have more of less depending on the affects of higher peak temperature and higher solar wind density
drink up

>>16362756
a retarded space pilot may not be aware the action he is about to take will kill him. That's what being retarded implies.

>>16362619
>>16362622

>>16362761
Ganymede is almost 50% water ice by mass dumbass, try to terraform that and you'll have yourself a nice multi-hundred-kilometer deep ocean world with no land and all of the previously accessible rocks and minerals sunk to the bottom.
Also, an atmosphere warm enough for a person to survive in would very rapidly escape due to the velocity of gas particles in the upper atmosphere being close to escape velocity.

>>16362784
Callisto doesn't have a magnetosphere.

>>16362784
Ganyemedes magnetic field doesnt do shit against radiation since its so weak and Callisto is outside of the radiation belt and doesnt have the issue which is precisely why its better. BTFO

>>16362806
>a nice multi-hundred-kilometer deep ocean world with no land
that sounds perfectly habitable, unless you're a landlubber

Incredibly Smug official CZ-6 drawing from Casc from a decade ago

https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s?__biz=MjM5Njc4ODY1MQ==&mid=214477558&idx=2&sn=281e2e8a3cbf5c9c9ec0df6921771eeb&scene=0&key=dffc561732c22651e05936d14412fe51cc98859442db0f145170a6499d1d3ac75fc5d3e0dc5b14cf559d45b81b61103b&ascene=1&uin=NzczODc4ODQw&devicetype=Windows-QQBrowser&version=61001201&pass_ticket=cTdQIafnE4PMuChNtw0UiHL%2BCK%2BN6nuBIpSYkewKLmHdkh41BQq9AYSfV20IKqf1

>"Hello everyone, I’m the Long March 6, the latest creation of China Aerospace Science and Technology Corporation, and the newest member of the Long March rocket family. My designers affectionately call me 'Liu Liu.'
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>>16362816
How would you get your food?

Upcoming predictions:
• Starliner deorbits and lands perfectly fine, and Boeing begins to snarkypost against NASA and say it was always safe
• FH-EuroClipper gets delayed right before launch, either because FH orders a hold on the countdown or because Europa Clipper has issues and they want to assess
• New Glenn goes PERFECTLY. GS1 lands fine, GS2 does what it needs to do. ESCAPADE then fails and it’s purely a Rocket Lab issue
• Too many Raptor failures during Starship flight 5, we don’t even get close to seeing a mechazilla catch—the flight itself will be worse than Flight 4

>>16362806
>>16362816
I'm up for it but only if we genetically engineer gigantic creatures to live in the depths.

>>16362786
That's insane.

>>16362817
Not clicking your CCP sanctioned virus link

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1822421779455090791

>>16362818
>he can't live off of hardtacks and grog

>>16362619

>>16362786
! Concerning

Why don't normalfags know that NASA astronauts routinely fly on Soyuz, and Russian cosmonauts fly on Dragon? I have repeatedly encountered normalfags speaking with an air of authority that Americans would never fly on Soyuz because American and Russian relations are so bad the Russians would kidnap the astronauts and send them to a gulag or something, evidently oblivious to the fact that such flights are and have been taking place and everybody behaves civilly.

>>16362819
Why do you use bullet points on 4chan?

Upcoming predictions:
>everything SpaceX is involved with succeeds and everything non SpaceX is mediocre at best

>>16362766
most people who get sexually assaulted by women dont think of it as something bad or dont report it

>>16362835
joke: I think that's enough don't you

>>16362833
Greentext has been getting less engagement recently, I’ve noticed. The average /sfg/ user is zoomerbrained and will not interact unless you provide a photo or a pleasing formatting in short-form.
Don’t hate me I’m just playing the game

>>16362835
that isn't sexual assault then you retard

>>16362845
>its not stealing if i dont get caught
how did you find yourself here, you're not smart enough for /sfg/

https://x.com/ajtourville/status/1831814351533305869

>>16362841
>muh engagement
Bitch hating people who are acting abnormal costs us nothing. Hate is always on tap for free

>>16362848
If I take something from you and you don't consider it to be stealing (lets say you know I will give it back later or you were willing to give it to me anyway), then is it stealing?
no

>>16362849

>>16362851
Hmm good point

>>16362818
floating cities

>>16362841
that's been true for at least a decade, anon

https://x.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1831806330899984415

Lol
>noise in shartline
>-15$/share

>>16362868
get ready for the -100% when it crashes the ISS with no survivors

>>16362619

>>16362819

I really wish Mercury had more going on from a visual/geological standpoint
>inb4 it has a lot of raw materials
I mean in terms of aesthetics; volcanism, interesting features, tectonic plates, a ring system, some sort of crater not seen anywhere else

>>16362881
Being so close to the sun is its one trick.

>>16362742
Ganymede number 1

>>16362881
Everything interesting has been stripped away when you're that close to the sun.

Remember for stuff to happen you need a disequilibrium of heat, heat in itself provides no useful work as long as everything is the same temperature, no matter how hot.

>>16362881
Mercury is unironically the most boring object in our solar system. It has nothing going for it outside of being close to the sun. We should just throw it into the sun so when ayys from other star systems visit us we can brag about how we have 0 boring rocks in our solar system.

>>16362881
>he doesn't know
Mercury has some WEIRD shit. You just don't know it because you aren't interested enough to research.
https://youtu.be/B588JHKSlEE?si=JpnmicXO2vvnXCUA

>>16362881
L planet, not a single person says it’s their favorite and if they do they are just lying to be contrarian

>>16362888
We should disassemble it to make a Dyson Swarm and use the power to build laser killsats to destroy any non American spacecraft leaving Earth orbit.

>>16362887
You are wrong about Mercury. Also, half of Mercury is extremely cold at any given time. It has the most extreme day-night cycle temperature variation of any planet.

>>16362888
>Mercury is unironically the most boring object in our solar system.
Wrong. You're simply ignorant.

>>16362896
list 5 interesting facts

>Earth is the densest planet in the solar system
Why is our planet so dense compared to other planets? Is Mother Earth really that stupid?

>>16362899
God gave us a gift of a planet, but many of us have abandoned him and turned into selfish EARTHERS

/sfg/ is the best thing on this awful website, I appreciate all of you

>>16362213
>>16362205
Is there any meaningful information besides the tour itself?

>>16362906
you already know the answer to that, anon. What is there to even show off? kek

>>16362832
Normalfags don't even know what a fucking Soyuz is and believe astronauts still use the Shuttle to fly into space lmao

>>16362908
shit, you're probably right

>added 11 fucking months on Bepi Colombo's travel time because of shitty thrusters
lmao

>be FAA
>grant Varda launch license knowing full well what their payload is
>refuse reentry license
Does some regulationfag get off to acting like the DMV of space or something? What was their problem??

>>16362912
>pic related is the closest it will ever get to Mercury
LMAO

>>16362912
why aren’t impact craters more hemispherical?
Why are they all flat

So both MMX and Tianwen 3 should bring back samples in summer 2031
Very cool

>>16362898
the day/year cycle is cool

>>16362908
I was at a star party twenty years ago and they had a telescope set up early for viewing the moon before dusk set in. One of the ladies who wandered though asked if we could see where the shuttles were landing up there.

>>16362912
>BepiComobo launched 6 years ago
wtf, felt like 2 years ago max

>>16362742
never realized how dry Earth was compared to the gas giant moons. For mining, which of these as the overall shallowest gravity well? (I know they are just moons, but you still have to escape Jupiter or Saturn.)

>>16362916
the energies of an impact cause the immediate surroundings to move like a liquid, so the crater gets filled in immediately, this is also why peaks form at the center of large craters.

>>16362927
callisto is the furthest and is the ideal candidate. All the moons except for io have large stores of ice, but calllisto is the only one far enough away to not give a lethal dose of radiation.

Europa would be lethal within a day, and ganymede within a few months.

The Jovian gravity well is much more severe than the ones surrounding the moons, so it will always be whatever body is furthest, if you're looking at it from the perspective of fuel.

>>16362695
>>16362733
They don't thrust at all. The ring has springs. They'll just wait for it to be a safe distance before firing anything

>>16362906
not really, though it confirms that bezos left Amazon to specifically focus on BO (not sure if this was the first time this has been talked about explicitly) and that they have supposedly shifted from R&D mode into production mode

>>16362733
learned from experience with the MIR collision

>>16362832
These are the same people who think that Richard Branson and Elon Musk's contributions and aspirations in spaceflight are even remotely comparable. Please understand that normies simply don't understand space or space exploration in any meaningful capacity.

>>16362555
cataclysmic failure
massive lawsuits
settle out of court and continue doing business

>After another Boeing letdown, NASA isn’t ready to buy more Starliner missions
If it's Boeing, I ain't going

https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/09/after-another-boeing-letdown-nasa-isnt-ready-to-buy-more-starliner-missions/

'member this deathtrap?

>>16362940
NOW KILL SLS
>>16362942
My beloved

Why aren't we launching warheads to mars? Isn't it better to do that then let all those wonderful missiles phase out due to age?

>>16362949
launch them how?

>>16362922
kek

>>16362949
Who are you trying to attack? There are no martians other than earth robots. It won’t fix the climate situation, not even nukes would.

>>16362949
Earthers not motivated enough to warm Mars. Martians will do that. Also nukes are pretty inefficient

>>16362950
If they can hit russia they can hit mars
>>16362952
Missiles were made to explode not rot!

>even Blue Origin is hardware-rich compared to Boeing’s Space Launch System
Grim

>>16362934
>confirms that bezos left Amazon to specifically focus on BO
Damn, okay. That's actually the most exciting thing I've ever heard about Blorigin. I think Beñoz is despicable as a person but I admire his accomplishments with Amazon.
If he's really going all-in on BO, I expect some pretty quick progress if there's any shred of college-age Jeff still alive in his heart. At one point he really did seem passionate about space—it's a shame he let the company fucking languish for two decades. I hope he starts aggressively cutting fat in the company and redirects the brain that built Amazon toward space technology. In a truly ideal scenario, he'd abandon rockets altogether and focus on orbital vehicles and colony hardware/logistics.

>>16362955
then send them to russia idgaf

>>16362952
>>16362955
>Attack? Martians? Climate situation?
>I just want to use nukes

>>16362959
If he was serious about space he would have stopped flying New Shepard as soon as he took his personal vanity flight

>>16362786

>>16362955
>If they can hit russia they can hit mars
nope

>>16362967
I know a launcher that can hit Russia and can hit Mars. It’s called Proton hahahahah

>>16362967
Explain. Intercontinental missiles travel further out in space than where the ISS is

>>16362969
google it idiot

>>16362942
Terrible crew launcher but not the worst start if you were trying to design an EELV launcher in the early 2000s and wanted to use as much existing hardware as you could.

>>16362972
Brother, it used a custom upper stage and required a J-2X

>>16362971
So you don't know. Owned. I'm based and have unique cool ideas

>>16362942
sticc >>> thicc

>>16362942

>>16362980
early rocket payload fairings were so schizo

>>16362972
>trying to design an EELV launcher in the early 2000s and wanted to use as much existing hardware as you could.

Anon, literally just do Atlas V Heavy.

If you want to get extra fancy do the 5.1m Atlas with 2xRD180 on each core that uses as much Delta IV tooling as possible, and then tricore that within as much of the infrastructure of DIVH

>>16362742
Hörbiger VINDICATED

>>16362942
If you think about it, one boomstick is better than two. By the time the vibrations are over, the concussions won't make you worry about the escape system effectiveness anymore.

>9/6 scrubbed
>9/7 scrubbed
9/8 is still "go" but they're coping as the weather is honestly even worse and will be scrubbed also. The models do not lie.

>>16362997
No offense but I don’t really care about Pluto and I’d rather have a Venus surface mission or an Enceladus or Europa submarine or something

>>16362975
Because the only upper stage engine America had at the time was the RL-10 and no one was going to suggest clustering 13 of them to match the J-2X's thrust goal. And "Custom upper stage" doesn't really mean anything. The engines are the hard part; the rest is just tanks and plumping. The J-2X would be a bitch to develop, but that's mostly because of Aerojet being Aerojet. Everything else is either simple to design or already mostly done.

The upper stage was a bit heavy as it was originally planned, but that's why its only a good start. If you make it half the original size and put a 5m Delta IV upper stage on top you'd have a launcher that could match the Ariane 5 ECA for GTO payload and double the Proton-M's GEO payload.

>>16362985
Yeah, but that'd use stinky engines from Russia, made by Russians. This rocket would be all American, with a solid fueled first stage made in Utah with the blessing of perfectly normal Mormon congressmen.

This just in, New Glenn is a spaceplane
>by the way a little more suddle and not as big an effect [the strake] helps us on ascent
>it gives us lift
>you fly at a slight angle and it's like an airplane wing, it gives you lift

>>16362994
Stanley Kubrick did amazing work.

>supposedly near Tycho crater
>Earth is near the horizon
BRAVO KUBRICK

>>16363002
F9 booster’s body generates lift on reentry, capsule blunt ends generates lift. What is a spaceplane, really?

>>16363005
Who cares this movie looks awesome. It’s like Blade Runner, it’s boring as all fuck but it’s full of eye candy

>>16363014
new glenn is actually the plane-est of spaceplanes. it uses it's wings to get up to space, not just come back.

Dragon should have a cool gat on board. What if they have to make an emergency landing in the wilderness? Or near niggers?

>>16363016
>Who cares
NORMALFAGS GET OUT REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>16362693
Neural networks as a theoretical idea date back even farther, to the 40s (Perceptron)

>>16363020
It lands in the water and niggers don't swim

Insane phenotype convergence

>>16362505
How come Elon hasn't impregnated her yet

>>16363002
>suddle
>suddle

>>16363035
Can't guarantee a splashdown in an emergency

>>16363020
I mean isn't it a bit too late for that

>>16362853
Look how verbose the Portuguese side is compared to the English side. Ineffective language

>>16362981
The only good idea in that entire program

>>16363058
There’s something so organic about CRT displays and analog controls

>>16362968
I'm sorry that can only hit Kazakhstan

https://x.com/iamgingertrash/status/1831746616610423015

>>16362969
Mars is a lot further away than the ISS lmao

>move venus to mars orbit
>combine them
>excess atmosphere ejected
>excess carbon sequestered
>magnetic field reactivated
>marnus
>1 earth mass
>1g
it's literally that easy

>>16362849
>>16362853
Literally a rounding error for SpaceX, to be fair. Brazil is basically an unflushed toilet and I don't think their government realizes how little they factor in the real-people scheme of things.

>>16363071
https://x.com/iamgingertrash/status/1830574602801602847

retarded, discarded

>>16362832
This is true, but it shouldn't be, we should not be sharing our life capacity nor our scientific data with foreign enemies.

HOLY SHIT
Look at that wobble!
https://x.com/INiallAnderson/status/1831854674934435888

>>16363076
ok let's do it

>>16363079
>enemies
Contrary to what /k/, /pol/, reddit and youtube may be telling you, America and Russia are not at war with each other.

>>16363080
>why does my 1000 foot tall tower wobble

>>16363080
when you start building big stuff, steel is basically noodles.

>>16363080
we're going to need a bigger tower

>>16363080
Is this in real time?

>>16363085
nta I find it weird they pulled out of gateway airlock. I think they were jaded that Artemis wasn’t a 50/50 program but come on… it’s not like they could have built their own lunar rocket and lunar lander. Still though, would have been fun to go back to the Moon with POCKOCMOC. Do they think they are going to get a bunch of free shit from China with ILRS? They’re in for a rude awakening when they get backstabbed after China just steals their ideas and dismisses them

>>16363092
In all honesty, once Starship is in serial production and regularly flying people around the solar system, I think Russia might just find an excuse to say that space sucks anyway and they never really wanted to go there and stop their manned space flight program. The alternatives to this are
>Develop their own Russian Starship clone
they can't do this, realistically or
>continue flying with legacy hardware
which invites a direct comparison between America's new hotness and their antiques.

So I think a sour-grapes bow out of space is their most likely response. "Space sucks, we didn't want to go there anyway."

>>16363087
>why does my 460ft tower wobble
ftfy

I'm in Las Cruces NM. should I go watch the fireball tomorrow?

>>16363080

>>16363096
looks like spacex did some absolutely retarded design work, yet again, wasting months of effort, and not even fucking counter balancing weights

>>16363096
needs mass damper

>>16363096
they just need to add another pair of arms on the other side to cancel out the wobble. elon get on this

>>16363093
They’ll have Orel but all it will do is visit their cuckstation

>>16363091
Absolutely not, it the sticks could whip closed that fast then there would be bigger structural issues to deal with.

>>16363085
>>16363092
I wish we were closer with them, it would be kino. It's not like they actually like China more than us anyway, the Chinese would eat them if they thought they could. Russian+American moonbase would be pure SOVL, we could squash the bugmen easy. Plus, I'm sure the Russians still have good scientists that could really do with some funding, we could revitalize the Russian soace industry.

>>16363096
>>16363098
Elon, give them a call
https://youtu.be/DMqpMXzcnZA

>>16363080
>Steel tower wobble
Retard low iq like this idiot ruined sfg

>>16363096
Alright /sfg/ explain why this is a problem in fifty words or less.

>>16363110
it would be a problem if it wasn’t wobbling

>>16363093
The Russian space program has existed in a perpetual stage of "it's so over" ever since the Wall came down. They'll manage to keep trundling on somehow, and there will still be R7s flying after the Falcon 9 has finally retired. Soyuz was good enough for Brezhnev, it's good enough for you.

>>16363110
moment of inertia is too large

>>16363096
LOOK AT THAT "SHAKE", NO GOOD. THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS WHEN "SPACE CADETS" TRY TO BUILD SOMETHING. IF IT WAS A REAL AMERICAN COMPANY LIKE BECHTEL THEY WOULDN'T HAVE THIS PROBLEM.
-RON
Sent from my Google Pixel 6 Pro

>Noooooo the tower can't be wiggly wobbly, it's far too wibbly woobly, it can't be flippity floppying!
>Why?
>IT JUST CAN'T
Hypothesis: nothing will be done about this and it will never be a problem.

>>16363096
Put guidewires on it like radio towers.

>>16363096
think about how much work and changes the OLM has had to go through. now think about how they haven't even started testing the tower in the same way

did someone say wobble
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0UYNoTPdNs

>>16363125
Indeed the advantage of steel is no fatigue limit

>>16363100
>they'll have Orel
lol, lmao

>>16363131
>a dozen guys and a rope
Space will never be this kino again will it

>>16363098
More buildings need big pendulums on display
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tkz6b7Q3dRk

>>16363126
guidewires are cope

>>16363138
Talk like a real person

>>16363140
Im assuming real people talk with a cock stuffed in their mouth like you have right now?

>>16363141
>that first stage reusability with parachutes

>>16363147
>always was

>>16363141
>parachute attached to the side
even my estes rockets did it better

>>16362555
checked

>>16362555
>burns up columbia style
>boeing pretends they were always against returning on starliner
>old space goes along with the gaslighting

>>16363096
Uh oh muskrats our response?

>>16363141
>space checker game
oh shit we forgot there's no gravity!