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https://x.com/cmdr_hadfield/status/1830380090569494973
Ayys are trying to enter Saarliner as context for OP.

>>16356401
Right of way gained via page 10 stage, that thread early staged and had no previous backlink nice try retard

need space or aerospace engineering book/audiobook recommendations

https://x.com/nasaoig/status/1829235892793344085
Also for those who havent seen it, Dragonfly may finally be RIGHTFULLY CANCELED soon or atleast shifted like MSR was. OIG is going after every shit project under the NASA umbrella finally.

>>16356404
Would textbooks suffice? Thats the only thing I can offer kek.

The Changs will be testing a new brick made from lunar soil simulant that is apparantly stronger than concrete on the Tiangong. My question is with lower gravity and much smaller housing why would we need stronger bricks? Wouldnt most shelters be made of metal or be in a crater that shields from any meteorites in the extremely small chance that some fall anywhere even close to the base?

>>16356410
whats the point of testing it at the space station?

>>16356414
Thats another thing. Seems like an all around retarded endeavor with no real point. If its meant for lunar environments, youre not going to be able to do any important tests since its presumed to be made on site in lunar gravity, not 0G.

Bepi Colombo making its 4th flyby this week. Ill be honest I completely forgot this thing existed. What data is it supposed to gather again?

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1830437761381200191
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1830439408689942948

>>16356419
this is your spacecraft on mass autism

>>16356421
Why is Boeing so easy to dunk on?

>>16356421
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1830389525656580512

musk seems to want to bring attention to this lol

https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/09/starliners-speaker-began-emitting-strange-sonar-noises-on-saturday/

>>16356395
link to audio in the previous thread
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https://files.catbox.moe/ww7rmv.mp3

https://x.com/astra/status/1829524053893521437
Astroons and that faggot Kemp are somehow STILL alive.

>>16356424
>Astronauts notice such oddities in space from time to time. For example, during China's first human spaceflight int 2003, astronaut Yang Liwei said he heard what sounded like an iron bucket being knocked by a wooden hammer while in orbit. Later, scientists realized the noise was due to small deformations in the spacecraft due to a difference in pressure between its inner and outer walls.

>>16356426
Kek just remembered this too

>>16356426
lmao
even if they succeed, smallsat launchers are DOA
are they hoping to get funding after a successful launch or something? they would be so fucking far behind, there are like 5 other companies further along in the US and probably a couple in Europe

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1830388762079101011

>>16356429
My theory is that Kemp failed to exit scam so hes trying to keep Astra afloat so the feds dont go after him instead of making the objectively correct move of closing up shop and calling it a day. Especially now that theyre private.

>>16356430
Pretty sure if you measure by the mb/gb it's already doing well over 90%

>>16356402
>Saarliner
do not reorbit the google play capsule
open bob and doug saar

What the fuck is inside Starliner? Just heard the audio. What are they hiding?

>>16356436
Utilization rate for Starlink must be in the single digits compared to MEO and GTO satellites.

>>16356436
Utilization rate for Starlink must be in the single digits compared to MEO and GEO satellites.

>>16356456
Do you really want to know?

I created the Starliner to reach the ISS, but she's gone much, much farther than that. She tore a hole in our funding, a gateway to another economic future. A future of pure COST+. Pure... evil. When she crossed over, she was just a ship. But when she came back... she was full of PORK! Look at her, Anon. Isn't she beautiful?

>>16356464
Sure, but does that matter when you have a bajillion satellites and people are streaming HD video through them?

>get into some online discussion about SpaceX
>a couple people start calling it a sham, leeching off taxpayer money etc., the usual
>calling people Musk dickriders if they talk about SpaceX in a positive manner
>nobody has even mentioned Musk's name besides those people themselves
It's an interesting phenomenon, people will really hate a rocket company just because it has a name attached to it that they don't like, living rent free in their head. Although at the same time according to the same people, Musk has had nothing to do with the entire history of the company besides funding it with his billions. Although at the same time SpaceX is actually just a scam leeching off taxpayer money. And of course Musk is also only a billionaire because his dad personally whipped African slave children in his mine, which earned them at least a gorillion dollars

>>16356456
The fact that nobody knows for sure it can only mean one thing: they are fucked.

>>16356456
Live footage of the Starliner exterior, turns out Boeing wasn't at fault after all.

>>16356475
It is an interesting phenomenon, those people are usually low-information so they are incredibly easy to debate with, so I try to push them and figure out what makes them tick and why they think that way. All of their thoughts flow from an assumption made in their head (Elon Musk bad), why they make that assumption is harder to tell but once done then their thoughts seem to organise around typical left-sided brain hemisphere lateralization. Everything is sequential, e.g., "Rocket blew up? This is because Elon Musk is involved", "Rocket was successful? This is because Elon Musk didn't work on it". There isn't any context or holistic understanding, it's always the bespoke Anti-Musk position which changes moment to moment. They don't actually care much about rocketry I think. Also it's funny when they complain about something like refuelling with Starship and then you ask them what they think about Blue Origin, which requires more refuelling sequences than Starship, their entire brain just shuts down. I blame social media for destroying common sense

>>16356475
You are talking to bots, just so you know

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They are functioning bots in a manner of speaking as they have will of their own nor a thought of their own. Its just mindless propaganda headlines floating in the brain without depth and if they do have some depth its incomplete

>>16356466
kek

>>16356410
Brick or proonted masonry is a lot easier to work with than metal forging for ISRU. China is doubly bound by this as they have no access to either Starship or flying fission reactors for compact mobile surface power.

>>16356495
I find it interesting to wonder why they attach themselves to these positions, it's like the abstract concept of "Elon Musk bad" becomes a law of nature in their head. It's also dangerous because everyone else sees those people as mindlessly whining without ever substantiating their belief, so if Elon Musk ever does actually do something 'bad' he can more easily get away with it as their whining will just fall on deaf ears, they cried wolf too many times

>>16356501
It invariably comes down to either them losing money because of Elon's companies or Elon transgressing some taboo of theirs with his personal opinions while being rich and happy.

>>16356501
Its called propaganda. Years of media campaign from the elites that disagree with common people having freedom. There isn't just one propaganda a week. Its multiple anti-Musk propaganda per day from every vendor for years.

If you expose a person to these sorts of propaganda daily, the weak and feeble minded become accustomed to these "facts" due to sheer abundance of propaganda.

>>16356507
Oh yeah I never thought about the people who may have lost money. Good point. Taboo transgression I think is the most common influence for these people
>>16356510
You are definitely right about the media campaign >>16356495 the photo here is in the same ballpark which I agree with. People more likely to conform will be the ones affected by the media campaign, and that media campaign itself is fuelled by the similar conformist concern regarding taboo transgressions. There's an efficient feedback loop to it. It has never worked on me so I do think that specific personalities are required to get this effect

I've been influenced by propaganda at times in my life and there is always a temptation in conformity, but ultimately I am able to actually research into things and introspect on mistakes in my thinking and such. Basically, I'm able to change my mind on stupid assumptions I used to have. These people seem fundamentally unable to do this. I strongly believe that it has something to do with brain structure and brain hemisphere lateralization, after reading into that recently I see a pretty big similarity with the left-hemispheres tendency to base entire logical arguments on nonsensical bullshit assumptions, and of the seemingly unmovable unsubstantiated anti-Musk shit you see online, also in person in my case as sadly, a few of my old friends have turned in those people. I can fully dismantle their point in a cordial way and they even agree that they were wrong, but they next time we speak they just revert back to step 1 as if the conversation never even happened

Reminder there's not enough of resources on Earth to set up even the most simple mining operation on another astral body. We can't lift shit in the atmosphere or deploy it elsewhere or run the operation or transfer and utilize tons of resources (and we don't need tons, we need a gazillion tons). Belief in space age is highly unscientific, an average accountant can tell you that.

this ties in to spaceflight as a concept especially human spaceflight which is completely nonsensical in the age of the drone
pure hubris, no wonder the main pusher is a social media magnate

>page 1 shenanigans
>>16356537
Thanks for the baseless supposition you fucking faggot, this thread full of hobbyist experts will surely appreciate it

Chinese are testing moon soil bricks

https://youtu.be/MD3XHM3u9zI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQ3H6we7cJY

unrelated to the video, but polaris dawn will perform the spacewalk at 700km which is very near the peak of orbital debris, something like 5-10x more than at ISS altitudes

>>16356466
starliner is on track to be the next V'ger

https://x.com/esherifftv/status/1830372935779156252

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>>16356560
Northrop grumman is a meme ugh
>yeah let’s just keep making longer and longer and longer cygnus that’s a good trick!

>>16356560
Where's Vast?

>>16356561
More… MORE

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>>16356558
she's reading too much into a colloquialism

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnIll6igTF0
>Final Preparations Underway For The First Catch Of Superheavy! - SpaceX Weekly #130

>>16356568
MEKAJIRA

>>16356562
They can't bid until they have a launch vehicle. Those stations all use Falcon or New Glenn. Vast is waiting on cargo Starship.

>>16356571
Have they changed their plan? I recall their first station will launch next year on F9.

GS2 rollout soon. According to Berger, the upper stage is doing a hot fire test within the week.
https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/09/blue-origin-to-roll-out-new-glenn-second-stage-enter-final-phase-of-launch-prep/

>>16356560
nanoracks and northrop's stations look like deep space spacecraft

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>>16356576
slowly and ferociously

>>16356581
Yeah I hope it implodes upon movement or explodes during the hot test kek

>>16356584
you should be hoping for more viable heavy launch vehicles so the argument for continuing the pork projects is weaker. Imagine if you could spend billions on overpriced lunar surface base modules instead of SLS

>>16356576
gradatim gradociter

>>16356562
Vast is not part of Commercial LEO Destinations (CLD). Take what I say here with a grain of salt, this is just based on some quick googling, but basically different groups of companies were given different contracts at different times, companies dropped out and joined other contracts or were swapped out.

At first axiom wanted to add a module to the ISS and got some kind of contract for it in 2020, which will later become free flying after ISS is deorbited. The first module is supposed to be added in 2026
https://www.nasa.gov/news-release/nasa-selects-first-commercial-destination-module-for-international-space-station/

In 2021 December, three teams got a CLD contract for free flying commercial stations
>Starlab with Nanoracks (a subsidiary/part of Voyager Space which has acquired a bunch of small space companies) and Lockheed Martin
>Orbital Reef with Blue Origin/Sierra Space/Boeing/Redwire and Northrop Grumman that got the contracts in December 2021
>unnamed station with Northrop Grumman and Dynetics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commercial_LEO_Destinations_program

In 2023 Lockheed Martin was replaced from Starlab with a design change and was replaced with Airbus
https://www.reuters.com/technology/space/voyager-space-airbus-deepen-tie-up-new-space-station-2023-08-02/
>But following a decision to switch to a metallic structure, Lockheed's role has effectively been superseded by Airbus, which built the Columbus module for the ISS.
>The original blueprint for Starlab included an inflatable habitat designed by Lockheed Martin (LMT.N), opens new tab.

At this point you basically have the 4 station plans still, with some partners switching

>open starliner hatch
>see this
wat do?

>>16356402
>starliner spilling fluorescent green diarrhea into the cosmos
disgusting

>>16356594
designated shitting skies
fly boeing saar

>>16356562
Much like Polaris, it's a billionaire doing his own thing. He's speed running towards a spin station and doesn't seem to care about much else. I'm most optimistic about Vast out of all of them

>>16356588
Yeah no, fuck that—BO is part of the problem too. New Glenn isn’t going to save the industry; it can barely save Blue. In fact the only thing that has saved them so far is stretching the national team supply chain thin across 48 states to entice congress to demand a second Artemis lander.

>>16356423
...because they did a very bad job?

>>16356591
Northrop Grumman dropped out in October 2023 and joined Starlab
https://spacenews.com/northrop-grumman-to-join-voyager-space-commercial-space-station-project/
>October 4, 2023
>LOS ANGELES — Northrop Grumman will drop plans to develop its own commercial space station and instead assist a competing effort led by Voyager Space, the companies announced Oct. 4.

https://starlab-space.com/
https://voyagerspace.com/company/

There has also been some questions about Orbital Reef continuing, still a bit unclear if it will or not as both Blue Origin (New Glenn) and Sierra Space (Dream Chaser) have projects they need to focus on

forgot source of pic on last comment
https://www.nasa.gov/humans-in-space/commercial-space/low-earth-orbit-economy/commercial-destinations-in-low-earth-orbit/

Vast and Gravitics have some kind of agreements with NASA though, but not sure what kind of funding if any they are getting, Starlab and Orbital Reef have CLD contracts for something like 150m each

https://www.vastspace.com/updates/vast-is-collaborating-with-nasa
>Long Beach, Calif. (June 15, 2023) – Vast, a pioneer in space habitation technologies, today was awarded a Space Act Agreement (SAA) by NASA under the second Collaborations for Commercial Space Capabilities (CCSC-2) initiative.
>Under this agreement, Vast will collaborate with NASA on technologies and operations required for its microgravity and artificial gravity stations.

https://www.gravitics.com/news/nasa-saa-verification
>June 18, 2024
>NASA and Gravitics Sign Space Act Agreement with Focus on Verification and Validation for Large Spacecraft

and then you have collaborations between companies, Axiom apparently gave Gravitics a 125mil contract as well recently

https://www.gravitics.com/news/axi4css
>Gravitics, Inc. announced today that it has been awarded a $125-million contract by Axiom Space to provide a pressurized spacecraft that will support Axiom Station operations

>>16356426
Astra is proof that nigger lives don't matter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atuFSv2bLa8

>>16356432
Dropping two NASA satellites in the drink was definitely not part of the plan. I still remember the look of terror on his face when he saw the velocity numbers start ticking down and sprinted off to see WTF was happening to LV0010.

>>16356592
The Skylab uniforms look comfy :3

>>16356545
um...

>>16356619
>ywn be a woman with moon rock in your tits
why live?

>>16356619
They display tea in stuff like this too, I have no idea why.

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>>16356628
Come on chang you sussy baka

>>16356414
a controlled environment to see how corn husks perform as a filler material

>>16356628
why would you design a vessel that you can't set down while you fill it?

So what will the perfect space bullet be?

>>16356619
They need heat and moisture and astronauts are the easiest place to get it in situ

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>>16356466
nice. dam, that movie creeped me out back then

>>16356640
Well you'd want the lowest mass possible and you don't have the constraints of air, plus distances mean most of your bullets would take too long to reach the target and likely miss. The best bullet is no bullet at all.

It depends, it would be cylindrical and with much simpler geometry because the only things you care about are the mass and the behavior on impact. If you're shooting armor, it would probably still be pointy at the front, but there's no reason to design in a boat-tail or something.

>>16356640
7.62 NATO RAAAAHHHHHH I WANT CHINK BLOOD

>>16356640
brilliant pebbles

>>16356600
its about time that was tried. Von Braun would have had this back in the 70s if they hadn't cut all the money.

The camera on Pioneer 11 was laughably shitty.
Pretty huge leaps were made by the time NASA constructed and flung the Voyager probes out into deep space

>>16356644
Sure but till space cooling for massive lasers works in space I think bullets will be the future (and missiles)
>>16356645
Think they'll still use primers or will space guns be railguns only?

>>16356576
tick tock nigga

>>16356656
the cooling and power generation problems associated with railguns will only be worse in space
we'll see them widely used on earth first

beamed energy and good old kinetic / HE projectiles will be used in the meantime

>>16356619
Propellant is stored in the balls, moon dust in the buttplugs.

Have they exorcised starliner yet?

>>16356656
Chemical propulsion if you don't absolutely have to seems really fucking stupid. Primers and powder aren't heavy, but mass is mass and they're filthy and get dust and shit everywhere. I feel like you would always build a railgun if you could.
>>16356661
This is true though, chemical wins in terms of rate of fire.

>>16356644
Radiators aren't the problem. Power delivery and pointing/dV budget are. Ideally you'd want a fusion reactor and propellantless thrusters... including for mitigating recoil because at weapons grade power scales, lasers produce measurable thrust: 1N/300MW

>>16356663
There's no magic-user on board apart from Suni, so not yet

https://x.com/NASASpaceflight/status/1830612677023895713

>>16356678
>no technical
But spiritual....

not even the instruments of the capsule want to be there

>>16356466
>cost+
what types of cost+? can someone give me some examples that received what contracts?

heres what ai gave me:
>Orion, $4.6 billion, Lockheed Martin, CPIF
>Starliner, $4.2 billion, Boeing, fixed
>SLS Boosters, $3.19 billion, Northrop Grumman, CPIF
>CRS-2, $3 billion, SpaceX, fixed
>CRS-2, $2.9 billion, Northrop Grumman, fixed
>Artemis HLS, $2.89 billion, SpaceX, fixed
>Crew Dragon, $2.6 billion, SpaceX, fixed
>CRS-2, $2.5 billion, Sierra Nevada , fixed
>GOES, $1.2 billion, Lockheed Martin, CPFF

its insane that cost+ contracts exist. they remove accountability and incentivize waste

>>16356689
Yeah but how else are the bureaucracies going to continue churning?

Slaughter all bureaucrats.

>>16356689
holy shit i just asked ai for a list of pre 2010 contracts and every single one of them is cost+. without spacex intervention to normalize fixed price, every contract to this day would be cost+. how the fuck is governance so fucking incompetent? this is why democracy is shit. zero accountability

>>16356689
I think at one point all the NASA contracts were cost plus. Here's how they justify it:
>A Cost Plus Award Fee contract is the best procurement vehicle for the high-tech, one-of-a-kind, development projects that constitute most of NASA'S projects. The use of this type of contract requires more government and contractor effort than any other forms of contracts. An award fee contract is described as an arrangement whereby the government periodically awards a fee consistent with the cost, schedule and technical performance that is achieved by a contractor during a preset period with preset award fee pools. It's the only contracting method where both the government and contractor goals are closely linked. It also has a built-in mechanism to conveniently alter and emphasize program events in order to current external and internal situations. The award fee process also demands good communication between government and contractor participants.
https://ntrs.nasa.gov/citations/19950014328

However, even Ballast Bill was forced to concede that it's a shitty way of doing business:
https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/05/nasa-chief-says-cost-plus-contracts-are-a-plague-on-the-space-agency/

>>16356695
>how the fuck is governance so fucking incompetent?
"Not MY problem", the philosophy.

>>16356696
Well it was justified back in the 60s when literally none of the tech existed outside of what V2 could do, and pretty quickly the USA government needed contractors to get ICBMs working, needed to get man into orbit, and needed to land man on the mother fucking Moon with a giant meme rocket all within the span of like 8 years.
So Cost Plus made sense. Building the Saturn V from scratch basically required a blank check, but these companies were motivated to get it done before the Russians.
Why cost plus exists now, for shit like Space Launch System and Orion is a fucking crime. These aren't new technologies. These contracts are fucking pork gibs. Orion has existed for 20 years and has not brough a single person into space, and for that alone Trump should jail every executive who is even remotely connected to a management job by association. If aliens made first contact they would see we are a space-fairing civilization by technicality but we'd have to explain how we are tethered to LEO and not making it back to the Moon, or making it to Mars, because of political appointments and jobs and contracts. How pathetic.

>>16356692
pork is inevitable
the 20th century unspoken goal of NASA funding was the development of defense technology, and to keep the military industrial complex in full employment. The 21st century goals should shift to the support of Space Force technology, and seeding American industry wherever possible to enable that. Depots, on orbit welding, manufacturing and assembly, secret directed energy weapon tests in space. Whatever it takes

>>16356666
who got it

>>16356689
Mobile Launcher 2, being built by Bechtel, was originally supposed to be $383 million and delivered last year.

It is currently projected to cost 2.7 Billion and not be delivered until 2029.

Here's the OIG report: https://oig.nasa.gov/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/ig-24-016.pdf
ML-2 is six feet taller than ML-1, which makes it just about 1/7th the height of the Burj Khalifa. How it manages to be twice as expensive as the world's tallest skyscraper is a cost+ mystery not even the OIG gremlins can answer.

>2024 democrat platform https://democrats.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/FINAL-MASTER-PLATFORM.pdf
>a single generic line about spaceflight: "Under [her] leadership, we’ll continue supporting NASA and America’s presence on the International Space Station, and working to send Americans back to the moon and to Mars"
yeah its obvious that they'll either keep things going or actively work against the industry, and given that elon keeps getting attacked, im willing to bet that it's the latter

>>16356574
Yeah you're right, I thought they were meant to be launching a test satellite or something before the station but I've not heard anything about it for awhile

>>16356708
A statement that reads "we don't care about space or whatever, but if we say this maybe you won't notice"
Disgusting. You do not hate politicians enough yet.

>>16356699
The only reason congress was willing to sign that blank check for Apollo was because it spread an appropriate amount of pork around. That's why the Saturn V was a rocket launched from Florida, that was constructed in Alabama, using engines designed and built in California, with everything being run from a mission control center in Texas. The Shuttle suffered from the same problems, and SLS was designed explicitly as a means of continuing to spend an STS sized budget on the same set of contractors. That's why the LRB proposal for SLS was never going to go anywhere. It'd get in the way of Thiokol/Northrop's "rightful share."

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>>16356668
>namefagging
oh shit, nigga, what is you doing

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>>16356562
tl:dr Vast is not CLD, NG station doesn't exist anymore, BO stations future is uncertain

>>16356729
how can orbital reef be uncertain? I see sierra blow up a new module every few weeks

>>16356716
It's also why they're pissing blood and shitting diamonds about newspace moving to (economic) vertical integration. It means they get basically no opportunity to spread pork.

>>16356734
Didn't the companies fall out with each other.

>>16356744
they still act like they're working together on both of their websites. maybe I missed something?

>>16356663
they will send mob but he's still at school for the moment.

>>16356736
They enjoyed over half a century of pig farming, which is pretty good. Shelby is gone and it's time for the new generation of porkers to find a new area to oink things up. Though Huntsville was built on the back of NASA and Redstone, if they're going to be competitive going forward they have to find something new to be their core industry. I'd recommend luring away some of Atlanta's infosec cluster. Due to the nature of cybersecurity, government wants it to be primarily US citizens and permanent residents working onshore and its certainly a growth area, especially for government spending. Gunter being in the state already gives them a leg up, as does Auburn and UAH, though obviously both of those schools are blown out of the water by Georgia Tech.

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>>16356744
Yeah for a while it was shaky and the only (literally the only) reason it’s been confirmed to still be a thing is because BO posted some instagram ‘it’s not dead yet’ post to qualm all the drama. But it very well could still fall through; even Foust, Berger, and Sheetz are and were skeptical of its viability

What was the point in building 500 V2 Raptor engines again?

>>16356759
well they did throw 156 of them into the ocean

>>16356759
Learning how to build V3 engines

>>16356700
What could Space Force accomplish once Starship is in regular operation? Is ballistic missile defense possible with a sufficiently large satellite constellation? Immediate global point to point cargo and troop transport seems like an obvious choice. Is there a realistic way to shoot down missiles and planes inside the atmosphere from low earth orbit, or is that pure science fiction? Space denial would also be a nice capability.

>>16356759
manufacturing practice

also keeping them in a warehouse for 20 years to eventually get swept up in a contract where chinks buy raptor 2's for their rocket in order to foster diplomacy and because they're still really good engines :^)

>>16356475
>bringing up twitter garbage again (and TF, naturally) without prompting and calling other schizos obsessed
every time

>>16356768
falcon 9 already makes brilliant pebbles plausible, starship would make it trivial.

>>16356771
>haha look at these schizo's let's make fun of them
>NOOOOOOO THAT'S NOT HECKIN EPICERINO YOU'RE OBSESSED!
lol

>>16356759
Has ship switched to v3 yet? I think they need engines for the test program.

>>16356768
>Immediate global point to point cargo and troop transport seems like an obvious choice
Please stop with this fucking meme.

What if this current situation ends up being first contact?

>>16356791
What current situation

>>16356663
they are trying to find the abo shaman from "The Right Stuff" but he's currently on walkabout..on mars.

>>16356791
We’ve already made first contact

>>16356716
it seemed to work well. i dont recall reading about too many problems caused by the distributed manufacturing and assembly plan for Apollo. It also was probably the best way to get and keep it supported, seeing as everyone was paying for it.

and it did get us the Guppy and SuperGuppy, for which i cant be the only one thankful.

>>16356800
The spooky noises on the Boeing capsule

>>16356805
proofs?

>>16356811
>The spooky noises on the Boeing capsule
Radio interfetterence

>>16356814
>interfetterence
I don't even think that's a word

>BepiColumbo Mercury orbit delayed to Nov 2026
Grim, but at least it's still working

>>16356816
ESA controllers wanted another year of holiday

>>16356784
Please explain what's wrong with it so I will remember why I shouldn't post it.

I thinj about Titan a lot.

>>16356821
inb4 OIG calls for the cancellation of Dragonfly

>>16356759
Scale = quality = cheap = speed

500 V2 means they can do dozen tests per day to find out vulnerability and test them out in the stands

>>16356821
I don't think about you at all.

>>16356816
lol bepis columbine

I glad we dodged that page 9 thread stager

>>16356656
>space cooling
Cryo-arithmetic engines

>>16356560
>no mention of haven-1
>nanomeme instead
Fucking old space shills. Atleast Axiom is up there, theyre pretty cool.

why all the inflatables crap. just do a nuSkylab, big wet workshop launch with starship

>>16356708
Could the thrusters on this craft be repurposed to decelerate from the moon as a replacement for a beefed up heat shield?

>>16356836
It’s talking about CLD you idiot corposhill

>>16356839
Why the fuck would you wet workshop a Starship

>>16356843
because they just keep shrinking the payload and adding more tank

>>16356759
They're learning how to build an assembly line for the engines. The engines resulting in the meantime are a consequence of that, rather than the purpose. They really have changed the paradigm

>>16356784
The military wants it. Commercial application is not likely but by some reports the Air Force is salivating over the prospect

>>16356820
America already has special forces units around the world and the ability to transport them pretty much wherever they have a presence (pretty much everywhere) in short notice. Any place they can't send men to by plane, they wouldn't want to send by rocket because they would be killed and accomplish nothing. This isn't Halo.

>>16356846
I get it. I wouldn't begrudge any company for taking money to make something that will never be used. That's the customer's problem.

>>16356851
It's not clear to me that any modifications would be needed. If the second stage also has the tower catch then maybe just beef up the Mars landing legs. Not sure it would take too many resources to get right. The military dough though, oh yeah it would be worth it

>>16356815
I saw Starliner trying to undock into the Milky Way

>>16356863
If I were Bezos I would get serious about Jarvis and just tuck my tail between my legs, reach out to Musk, and tell him I would like to do a common catch mechanism so that Mechazilla could catch Jarvis. That way there could be a standardized catch system and the government gibs could apply to starship and Jarvis.
This is of course a pipe dream but, notheless, if I were running Blue Origin I would have had them in orbit seven years ago and I would be making these types of decisions now to assure the company was cash-positive as well as lining itself up for uberbig contracts in the future. Bezos isn't a thinking man—not sure how he or Branson became billionaires in the first place to be honest

>>16356870
You wouldnt be doing shit retard. You dont know the first thing about how to manage a company youre just a random fuckwit on 4chan.

>>16356876
I could fix blue origin, the bar right now is jeff bezos and bob smith (new limp who hasn’t shown anything of value yet) who are still flying new shepard despite it providing no profit or progress incentive
So yeah I’m confident I can do better. Gonna cry?

>>16356876
Somebody missed nap time!

>>16356881
>gonna cry
yes, happy now, asshole? you made someone cry by being mean, does that somehow make you feel better about yourself?

>>16356821
Garbage moon

I would turn New Shepard into a reusable lunar shuttle for ferrying astronauts up and down from the surface.

>>16356395
CUT US LOOSE!

>>16356890
That’s… starship and whatever the official working name of SLD National Team lander is

>>16356881
answer the question anon >>16356883
what gives you the right to hurt that guy's feelings?

>>16356495
all the retards reading your pic related and believing it without thinking just because it lets them pretend they're "alpha" makes this very funny

perfect 10/10 no notes

lmao

>>16356910
true, in reality i am the only person who's capable of asking himself whether or not something is true without a consensus check.
you are all just women compared to me.

Thats insane

> There are unexpected electric currents between MTM's solar arrays & the power distribution unit, which robbed a bit of current & thrust.

> Mercury orbit insertion will slip from December 2025 to November 2026, i.e. 11 months.

> Next Mercury fly-by on September 4th will be tweaked to a minimum altitude of 165 km. The 2 fly-bys afterward (December 2024, January 2025) will still happen as planned.

Bepi propulsion is failing and the Euros are having to adjust the pump down flybys to recover the missing delta.

>>16356922
what is it with inner solar system missions and power/propulsion mismanagement?
(NASA notwithstanding, those USA missions usually go off without a hitch)

>>16356919
I might need a rubber for that black hole if you know what Im sayin

>>16356925
I don't think I quite understand, could you elaborate?

>>16356926
I think he means he wishes to jork his shit by sticking the ween past the event horizon

https://x.com/blueorigin/status/1830662658280038737
barge

>>16356938
Welcome to the club

>>16356938
Blorge

>>16356934
there's no coming back from that

>>16356947
Don’t shame singularity kinks anon. They’ll come back as hawking radiation eventually!

>>16356395
i will ask again. why is the lunar gateway a good idea?

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1830651223722119223

He is getting so fucking unhinged, fully entering that Howard Hughes arc

>>16356951
secures funding for continued moon missions and literally nothing else. next question

>>16356951
uuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhmmmmm

>>16356952
>American aerospace engineer and business magnate

>>16356952
You people need to come up with another comparison, the Hughes thing got old a while back

>>16356951
It’s fucking not how many times do we have to tell you? The following facts are true, if you want to call these “good ideas” is up to you (spoiler they aren’t, but here they are anyways):
• SLS is anemic and cant direct-inject Orion into a low lunar orbit capable of rendezvousing with a lander and reaching the lunar south pole (the whole point of Artemis) so Gayway in NRHO provides a pit stop that SLS can barely reach and where they can stage to get into a lander.
• It cow-ties congress into keeping Artemis online (i.e. NASA can say “oh but congress, you already gave us $2 billion to build and launch Gateway so it would be dumb to cancel Artemis! We already have hardware in lunar orbit and it would be a waste of money to abandon it!”)
• It’s a gibs program that, like SLS and Orion, provides jobs extended over time and spreads cash around to different congressional districts
• Some modules and an overpriced canadarm make up part of gateway so international partners feel like they are contributing something to a Moon landing despite it really being 100% a USA effort
• The only cool part of gateway, MAXAR’s Power and Peopulsion Element (PPE), was originally going to be used in a human spacecraft as part of the Asteroid Redirect Mission that got cancelled under Obama. Gateway kept PPE alive and gave it something to do. NASA claims Gateway can be moved with PPE and sent to Mars but that will never happen

>>16356951
In the end the only thing that matters in the nesr term is putting the maximum amount of stuff up into space. Whatever grift it takes to do so is allowable

>>16356952
Howard hughes was based though

>>16356951
If you want just one: it enables abort to orbit. Apollo brought its own rescue craft to the moon but Artemis does not, so having their equivalent to a cycler is going to have to do.

>>16356964
Nah not an excuse. It could abort back to Orion if SLS wasn’t so shitty. Or the lander could just abort to LLO

>>16356949
>They’ll come back as hawking radiation eventually!
blacks holes breed strange children

>>16356952
Fuck off tranny

>>16356952
can't wait for Musk to have his own country

>>16356978
larp

>>16356978
Estrellalia?

>>16356978
What sort of architecture will the Mars city have? I don't like the module sprawl in the SpaceX renders

>>16356984
Too bad dude even this render is extremely optimistic. It will be sideways Starships and dinky habitats

>>16356984

>>16356952
Elon must be arrested and imprisoned for life. This cant go on.

>>16356990
This but 5km tall

>>16356991
Someone just slap the phone out of his hand and tell him to get back to work.

>>16356998
The mother fucker won’t shut the hell up about it, like I get that it’s important but good grief SHUT UP ELON MY TIMELINE IS FUCKED BY YOUR BRAZIL AUTISM AND MUTING ‘JUDGE’ AND ‘BRAZIL’ HAS DONE NOTHING

>>16356986
>sideways
Ready for this meme to die. It makes sense on the moon due to the shielding requirements but on Mars it's an unnecessary reduction in usable volume and floor space.
>>16356990
What architecture though? Surely it won't just be US suburb sprawl but with a plastic sky overhead

>>16357003
>Surely it won't just be US suburb sprawl but with a plastic sky overhead

>>16356962
> In 1958, Hughes told his aides that he wanted to screen some movies at a film studio near his home. He stayed in the studio's darkened screening room for more than four months, never leaving. He ate only chocolate bars and chicken and drank only milk and was surrounded by dozens of boxes of Kleenex that he continuously stacked and re-arranged. He wrote detailed memos to his aides giving them explicit instructions neither to look at him nor speak to him unless spoken to. Throughout this period, Hughes sat fixated in his chair, often naked, continuously watching movies. When he finally emerged in the summer of 1958, his hygiene was terrible. He had neither bathed nor cut his hair and nails for weeks.
Imagine the smell

>>16356984
space nouveau

>>16356998
He should be deposed from his companies and assets sold off. He has done trillions in damages

>>16357003
imagine this but it's flat and outside the sky is made of cellophane

>>16357014
>work in a factory all day
>outside is a frozen barren wasteland
>come home to a white expanse dotted by colorful shapes with no human context
Why would your Martians not kill themselves? Why would anyone ever move there? I think pleasant architecture might be even more important on Mars than on Earth. The plastic ceiling can be worked around

>>16357019
Another example. I imagine people shopping in Milan don't mind that there's something between them and the sky

>>16357019
your thoughts are tied down by your life in contemporary earth. martians will yearn for the sterile white voids. also
>Why would your Martians not kill themselves?
child brides

>>16357026
>martians will yearn for the sterile white voids
These are still people. With no nature and constant exposure to purely functional industrial forms they'll probably yearn for the opposite.
>child brides
In Mars years, right? Haha

>>16357026
die

>>16357008
Wow this is just like Elon who is fighting against an authoritarian gov seizing his company's assets illegally after not abiding by orders to censor local politicians by the same authoritarian gov. Wow, so unhinged.

>>16357037
kek

>>16357037
>who is fighting against an authoritarian gov
some fight

>>16357040
It would be funny if Musk asks US courts to seize Brazillan government assets in US starting with liquidation of the Brazil's embassies

>>16357035
>These are still people. With no nature and constant exposure to purely functional industrial forms they'll probably yearn for the opposite.
see this is your experience as an earther holding your thoughts back. human dwellings on earth bare very little resemblance to nature, and where they do it's only because of the available building and decorating materials.
do you think martians will put faux wood grain on their plastic? they sure as hell won't be building with real wood.
even your drawing used to illustrate a "human" feeling area is only awash in earth tones because that's what color the building materials start out as. I can't say for sure that they will use white paint for everything, but don't expect it to have any resemblance to nature.

>>16356924
the sun fuckin hates everything
we should spend at least 5 minutes out of every day thanking the magnetic field of earth that life can even exist, using a compass as an object of worship

>>16357037
The starlink seizure is real fucked up

https://x.com/drjolatunji/status/1830347416937394390

VASIMR is REAL

>>16357050
Go to mass on sunday, abstain on fridays, and fast often. The sun and the stars are a gift to bask in

>>16356951
>once again NASA refuses to acknowledge starship HLS
orbital period of the airlock, soon

>>16357053
>90 W
>1 N
Either it’s heavy as all shit or they lyin’

>>16357048
Normal people just think
>that looks nice
or
>that looks like shit
If your city is barren shithole because some faggot Earther was going on about "contexts in the spaces" or whatever then you'd be justified in flinging Deimos at them

>everyone itt is an earther
grim

>>16357053
So does it eat itself like a Hall effect thruster or what

>>16357053
That doesn't seem to be VASIMR, they'd have slapped the acronym all over the paper and the test stand.

>>16357069
>100W per coil
>20 coils
>all coils cryocooled to 70K
It's heavy as shit

OMG that is so true!! It is indeed grim!

Haha! grim! lol! lmao! grim, grim, grim!!!

>>16357082
!!

you can't go to mars

>>16357086
[math]\unicode{x1F3AF}[/math]

>>16357003
>>16357004
People will abandon Tentland for the manufactured canyons as soon as the canyons become feasible to build

>>16357096
Bogus. Pretty much all of /sfg/ is super delusional about what a realistic Mars colony will look like and how it will function

>>16356964
>abort to orbit
If Gateway is in the wrong phase you are fucked

>>16357086
!!

>>16357086
true

>>16357082
Concerning

>>16357086
never say never

Will the Boring Company have it's fleet of RITG powered Mars TBMs ready in time?

>>16357108
no hahah

>>16357102
>abort to orbit
>the orbit in question is Neptune's and you'll arrive in 72 years

>>16357086
Explain why

>>16357108
We just won't need tunnels. Musk should've devoted some engineer time to the problem before sperging out and making a company based on his vibes of what a Mars city would need.

>>16357108
By 2030? Possibly might have 1 ready for Martian use.

>>16357021
arcades definitely seem plausible

>>16357111
We're still on page 1. His reason might be that there's a dome over the sky

>>16357096
>>16357115
>city sized arcade
I get it now

>>16357113
Human have done extremely limited digging and seismic studies of the Martian subsurface. No one has a clue how the dynamics of regolith compaction and structural geology works. It’s not happening. Just because it’s in your scifi fantasy doesn’t mean we can do it for real

>>16357086
yet

>>16357120
Did you mean to reply to me? I said we won't need tunnels

ULA is done

>>16357086
>you can't learn japanese
>you can't go to mars

>>16357123
Nope sorry mate

>>16357126
>100 tons
Keeping the same dV with the new raptors actually gets you 250 tons

>>16357130
No worries big dog

"Gravity & acceleration are the same" - Einstein. Yes, but why? #QI tells us in a testable way. The inertial force (a real force) from acceleration is caused by a Rindler horizon making a gradient in the quantum background. Gravity is caused by matter making a similar gradient.

>>16357126

>>16357126
>ordered by height
Anon, that's little dishonest
>>16357131
>250 tons
How many elephants into orbit is that? Can we have a space zoo?

>>16357134

>>16357126
If anything this just makes Rocket Lab look the most retarded hahah

>>16356876
calm down Jeff

>>16357137
>Can we have a space zoo?
With genetically altered phyletic dwarfism you can transport a species with a complex social structure, like elephants, in large enough numbers to avoid population or psychological issues. When your extraterrestrial civilization has enough resources to throw around you can then reduce the dwarfism and seamlessly transition to a normal population. There's only a few species this really matters for. Elephants, whales, basically anything large with a language and culture.

>>16357143
>reduce
reverse

>>16357138
Time and space are just a result of gravity breaking down into lower dimensions. It's how you fix quantum gravity and entanglement.

>>16357008
Decades ago this was shocking, but now it's just an average NEET goon session.

>>16357139
It's going to be interesting watching them fight it out with Northrop over who gets to be the Antares of reusable spaceflight.

>>16357150
Kek

>>16357149
Hydrium just a result of the flower of life breaking down into the tetrium. It's how you fix 1x1=2 and harmonics.

>>16357143
We've seen that nonhuman intelligent animals suffer from artificial environments because they're not flexible enough to adapt. Masturbating chimps, wilted orca fins, generally crashed birth rates, etc. It only makes sense to bring those animals off world when their habitats would be measured in tens of square kilometers.

>>16357126
>100t reusable
not yet

>>16357154
No arguments from me. We'll likely only see pets and livestock in our lifetime. But if you wanted to bring the Bronx zoo into orbit that's a way to do it.

>>16356821
I think about that giantess fetish novel that used its name and image every time I see it

>>16357126
>Vulcan is the most capable rocket in the lineup that's actually flying
ULAchads, I kneel

>>16357153
Delete this.

>>16357126
New Armstrong is missing in that image

>>16357019
so like Venusville from Total Recall?

>>16357168
No. Martians will be working in the factory all day, they won't want to come home to one too

>>16357163
>Falcon Heavy not pictured

>>16357182
That's three rockets. It doesn't count

>>16356759
its closer to 600
many have been tested to destruction, Starhopper, SN5,SN6 had one engine each
SN8,SN9,SN10,SN11 had 3 engines each and most of them had 1 or 2 engines replaced after static fires and such and blew up during or after the test
SN15 succeeded, but obviously the engines become obsolete pretty quickly, at this point you have probably blown up or scrapped like 30 engines, who knows how many just on the engine test stand
IFT-1,IFT-2,IFT-3,IFT-4 all used 33+6 engines each so 156 in total, bunch of engines were tested and scrapped etc during that so probably 200?
then you have IFT-5 and IFT-6 even before Starship v2, you are at probably at about 300-350 engines that have been blown up at test stands, blown up during launches, obsolete or scrapped due to faulty manufacturing

Starship V2 is going to use Raptor 2s still I'm pretty sure, Raptor 3 and Starship V3 are happening together, how long is it going to take to start mass manufacturing the V3s? might take like a year or more
with 300 engines in storage, they can launch something like 5-7 Starship V2 stacks before they run out

>>16357182
Falcon heavy may someday come about, it's on the drawing board right now.

>>16357166
New Armstrong has never actually been proven to exist. There's a good chance that "New Glenn" was originally the BE-3 powered mid-range vehicle that would have launched Blue's biconic crew capsule and what was planned to be New Armstrong ended up the New Glenn we have.

>>16357179
>be earthling
>get worker visa for mars
>work all day in factory
>breed your +2m tall martian waifu every night

Sign me up.

>>16357198
>by the time the extra tall Martian born babes are legal I will be too old
You can not imagine the despair I feel

>>16357198
holy shitt

>>16357198
I desperately need a space gf to ruin my life

I fail to understand how radiators work in the vacuum of space

>>16357182
It ain't that easy in rocketry

>>16357208
they radiate

>>16357208
Magic.

>>16357208
tiny amounts of atmosphere touch the radiators

>>16357208
space isnt a pure vacuum

>>16357208
There's conduction, convection and ___________.

>>16356776
there is only one or maybe a handful built, the first one got static fired for the first time like a month ago
they are nowhere near using them on flight hardware yet
The first ship V2 hasn't even been built yet either
maybe they could use V3 raptors on V2 ships but both the booster and ship are going to be stretched with v3 raptors due to higher thrust

>>16356839
Nanoracks Starlab abandoned inflatables I'm pretty sure

>>16357168
i prefer them both sleazy and demure

>>16357208
They glow in infrared, that glow is heat energy escaping into the vacuum of space

>>16357208
by the power of positive thought

>>16357208
Thermal radiation. When it glows red that means something is leaving the object to hit your eyes. The energy leaves the system so it cools.

>>16356938
https://x.com/blueorigin/status/1827079568470995106

>>16357208
space is filled with aether and it takes the heat away

>>16357248
https://spaceflightnow.com/launch-schedule/

might have Falcon Heavy and then 3 days after that New Glenn maiden launch

>>16357208
Learn up on pilot wave theory son

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1830651223722119223

>>16357251

I still don't like BO but I think New Glenn's maiden launch will be successful

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1830634493268652307

>>16357232
condensation?

>>16357258
Ugh of course

>>16357258
If I ever set foot in America, I'll try all slop that isn't available in Europe. All we have is KFC, McD and Burger King. And I think Popeye's opened its first restaurants here recently.

>>16357131
>Keeping the same dV with the new raptors actually gets you 250 tons
Not quite v3 was what they're finally hoping to get to 100t reusable.

>>16357264
Popeye is miles ahead of KFC. I hope they will bring the blueberry cheese pie across the pond soon.

>>16357264
Supposedly fast food is better in europe though because of local sourcing laws. I’ve heard Burger King in europe is considered pretty good. In america it’s considered the lowest-tier goyslop alongside subway and long john silver’s. Nasty shit.
Chic-fil-a is goated though; get a spicy deluxe with pepperjack cheese, no pickle, and throw ketchup on that bitch. Add a peach milkshake, too, if its summer time

>>16356951
its not, it exist so that SLS + Artmeis have a reason to exist, which itself exist to keep giving lucrative contracts to old shuttle contractors

>>16356952
fucking based

>>16356952
He should enter Henry Ford arc instead.

>>16357285
Elon isn’t a noticer.
In every other way though he is essentially WvB

>>16357008
I've been living the life of a billionaire all this time?

>>16357086
soon

>>16356952
>>16357285
The unique Elon arc we are witnessing in real time, whatever its called, is absolutely based.
I like where this is going, excitement guaranteed.

Does mars have weeks?
How will "closed sunday" work for Chickfila?

>>16357257
will /sfg/ be forced to stop clowning on Blue if escaPADE is successful and they start regularly flying Kuiper missions?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLmi6n3HJ1A
>All This For The Catch | Starbase Update

>>16357323
I really hope he isn't too autistic to conceal his power level when he finally realizes. Nothing would more thoroughly put an end to the dream of Mars than Elon passing that barrier publicly

>>16357326
Nope still gonna clown. There’s plenty of material to make fun of, believe me

>>16357328
actually news or is this just the 100th "SPACEX to CATCH TOWER SOON" video

>>16357330
Elon maxxed out thyroid-associated general intelligence autism, i.e. he can hyperfixate on topics like rocket engines, car production, etc and learn as much as he can to understand things on a fundamental level.
He does not, however, have pattern recognition autism. He has an inability to organically connect dots.

>>16357332
the latter I'm pretty sure

>>16357340

>>16357324
There isn't really a real calendar yet because no one lives there. You could do 24 months a year with alternating 28-29 days each plus leap years. Much like the earth calendar, you just just cram a 7 day week amongst that mess and it pretty much works fine.

>>16357126
200t

>>16357341

>>16357345

where is star hopper going

>>16357346
pad installation on both chopsticks nearly finished

>>16357348
Probably intricately displayed inside the new building a la the hanging Dragon 1 at hawthorne, I’d imagine

>>16357348
the new office building maybe

>once every Martian year Jupiter will appear roughly 1/3rd the size of the moon viewed from Earth
Unimaginably kino

>>16357353
Wait wut I’ve never heard of this, but I’ve never considered it I guess. That’s insane, unironically, if true

>>16357182
Vulcan is real, you've seen it down in Alabama

>>16357353
1/3 the angular width or 1/3 the surface area?

>>16357355
This was taken by the HiRISE camera aboard the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter in 2007. You can even see the moons.

>>16357348
>>16357350
>>16357352
RGV aerial photography answered this pretty definitively with evidence from their flyover on Friday. Its just moving across Hwy 4 so the public can gawk at it, its not worthy of a museum, it was a hastily slapped together pile of shit that people have affection for some reason.

>>16357358
Width im afraid. Still kino

>>16357362
You have no faith of the heart. Sad!

>>16357363
Still large enough to make out the bands and spot with the naked eye

>>16357362
>it was a hastily slapped together pile of shit
That's every single booster and ship tho

>>16357353
>never an image of this from Percy or the other rovers

>>16357376
Go try to take a photo of the Moon with your smartphone.
Good at capturing pics of rocks, not so good at imaging the sky

so i just found out that astornomers have discovered hundreds of dyson spheres near the galactic core and even gave them their own classification. what are the spaceflight implications? https://www.keckobservatory.org/g-objects-2/

>>16357377
if Percy can take this photo it can take a photo of Jupiter

>>16357381
gb2x

>>16357343
and deeper in debt?

>>16357367
Its just moving across the street, both as to remain as a publicly viewable and touchable historic artifact (that wont crumble to bits in the weather like lithium-aluminum alloy rockets), and it continues to serve as a communications tower, surveillance point, and water storage (if they wish) from that location. Its fine with me, I don't want to see this turd embedded in SpaceX HQ, it belongs where it is. There will be a rocket garden close to the road as well to store ships in the launch queue.

>>16357385
Enticing point, I take back what I said

>>16357396
I wonder what they did with Ship 29 after it splashed down. Was there any sort of recovery effort or did it just sink after tip over damage?
Would be cool to display one of these first successful ships (or the first official “factory” Starship if it survives multiple rounds of Starlink launches and gets an early retirement)
They could build out a long barn attached to the office headquarters and display the first significant ship and booster like they display the Saturn V at JSC and KSC

>>16357353
>innumerate anons believing this
sfg_is_retarded.png

>>16357407
>I wonder what they did with Ship 29 after it splashed down
It sank. No attempt to recover.

>>16357433
Yeah I figured so. The landing was impressive as shit but the tip must have been expectedly too rough for survival. Current ships can’t even lay horizontal.
I also wonder if they had plans to fire the FTS assuming the ship or booster somehow survived the tip over and floated as junk

>>16357414
>Moon from Earth is 0.5 degrees
>Jupiter is 577,447,780 km from Mars at the closest and 142,800 km wide
>Jupiter from Mars is therefore ~0.14 degrees
>~0.14/0.5=~0.28
>1/3rd the width
You could've done the math yourself man

>>16357445
nta but what did this anon mean >>16357358
Is “1/3 the angular width” not the exact same scale as “1/3 the surface area”?

>>16357458
I said 1/3rd the size but meant 1/3rd the apparent width. I was too general for such an autistic topic I think. Regardless, >>16357369, which is pretty cool

>>16357458
Wait no, I see what you're asking. Anon that's like 9th grade geometry man, what the fuck

>>16357463
>expecting /sfg/ to understand middle school math
shiggy

>>16357463
I get it now, don’t bully I’m at the club drunk

today in schizo news someone on reddit who is obsessed with spacex, the Friday TV show, and the 2006 Bully video game is claiming he has a launch contract pending with FH for a sat named after his favorite Bully character or something. I don't even know anymore man

>>16357118
City-sized arcade that reaches a kilometer into the ground. Public green space/pseudo-wilderness along most of the canyon floor.
Obviously not a first-gen thing, but Martians should strive for literal unearthly beauty in their public works when such things become possible.

>>16357445
You are wrong

What's the point of sending shit to Mars if terraforming isn't currently possible?
Trying to start a manned colony there would be extremely expensive and the colony itself would be extremely vulnerable in ways that not even current astronauts are. If something went catastrophically wrong there would be no recourse whatsoever.

>>16357494
Pretty standard schizo nonsense

>>16357507
Because the United States of America has infinite money, and fosters free enterprise like SpaceX and Starlink which can generate infinite money, and because it’s cool, and just because life will be “rough” at first doesn’t mean we need to solve all of our problems in one single generation and we leave Mars for our children just a little bit better than we were born into it and integrated over time Mars becomes more and more “habitable” by Earth standards

>>16357513
Oh and because if >we don’t do it, someone else (China) will land grab everything with dystopian chink settlements and liveleak logos everywhere but they won’t care as long as they control it uncontested
Part of why we go is to spread american ideals (often shortened to just “freedom”) and to ensure that those american ideals have more than just one place to thrive

>>16357478
>posting on /sfg/ at the club drunk
based

>>16357504
>misplaced a decimal
FUCK

>>16357507
You don't need terraforming to live there. >>16357003
>>16357004
>>16357019
>>16357021
It's that easy.

>>16357528
It is easier to use an comma for mathematics.

>>16357507
>colony itself would be extremely vulnerable in ways that not even current astronauts are
Current astronauts don't have access to a surface area equivalent to all land on earth, water ice, a thin but useful atmosphere, or the rocket architecture that would mean you could have 10x redundant systems for not much cost. Also pressurized volumes are easier than space stations. >>16357531

>>16357534
Yup I think The Martian, in all its redditry, has done a ton of damage to the average psyche. You wouldn’t really ever be in a situation where you are permanently stuck fighting for survival. Perhaps if we tried a flags-and-footprints mission in the 90s or 00s or 2010s maybe; but at this point it’s looking pretty solid that we will just preload a lush area with tons of cargo and hardware. And Starship gives us the ability to spam so much food and resources and cargo at any given time towards Mars. There will be more than enough options to return to low martian orbit, and the colony will more likely than not be designed so that if something catastrophic goes wrong in a hab or a section, it could just be sectioned off while repair is done. There is probably going to be redundant life boats, redundant solar and nuclear power, redundant life support.
ISS is nice because you can bug out back to Earth, but we landed multiple men on the Moon back in the damn 1970s so it’s obviously not impossible. And Mars offers even more than the Moon.
It’s daunting because it’s far away, but transit in a vehicle to and from Earth and Mars is not really any sort of unsolvable scary issue

>>16356951
Poor Japan. The only thing worse than the national embarrassment that is NASA is riding bitch on gay shit like the gateway. (I would spit on the Euros, but they enjoy that shit.)

>>16357545
In general the normie perception has not caught up to the approaching paradigm shift. It will probably be very confusing for people to have a passing familiarity with these super constrained flags and footprints missions only to see a factory city begin from mission one.
Also stupid shit like in my pic being presented as a legitimate plan

>>16356978
planet
Mars is a planet

>>16356952

Have there been any renders or discussion about a human Starship to mars would look like on the interior? That dearmoon guy wanted wood panel interiors and the lap of luxery.

>>16357571
We don’t even have an HLS Moonship mockup bro, don’t hold your breath here

>>16357571
It probably would be the lunar HLS layout with some nice details like were planned for dear moon. They'll need to live in it in 0g for nearly a year and then live in it on the surface for some indeterminate amount of time. They may work so well as prefab apartments that people live in them for decades. That should be taken into consideration when designing the visuals.

>>16357154
>We've seen that intelligent animals suffer from artificial environments...
fyp

>>16357311
>Elon isn’t a noticer.
his "who owns the media" comment and the over-reaction that followed beg to differ

>>16357504
Yeah, I had to try that math myself. Jupiter looks 14% wider from Mars. Pic related is Jupiter from Mars.

>>16357592
It's not at all clear that he intended that remark to be about jews, even though jews immediately interpreted it that way.

>>16357581
THE hardest part of a mars colony is vetting people who are mentally stable enough to stay in their room for days on end without claustrophobia or cabin fever, but who also interact well and actually like going outside at the same time.
Remember during covid quarantine when western society started legit crying tears of sadness because they were told to stay home for two weeks? Neurotic mental breakdowns, and that was easy mode. And, unfortunately, the people who got swept up in grief the most seemed to be the same type of people who were heavily involved on college campus; who loved organizing social events at work; who loved being extroverted—and these type of people are more often than not very smart and successful and would otherwise make for good colonists. But there is a psychological barrier that needs to be conquered if you want to be a Mars colonist. They aren’t cut from the cloth that can make it. But neither are introverted selfish slobs.
It might literally be 100 more years of doctor-navy seal-engineer-lawyer-indian chief people such as Jonny Kim who get selected simply by virtue of the fact that these people check enough physical and mental boxes to stay in a starship-sized box for a year and not lose their mind like a normie

>>16357592
He was not talking about Jewish people with that remark; anal retentive, maligned jews just wanted to find insults between the lines and have an excuse to feel slighted to gain social currency (they have done this ever since the destruction of their temple and expulsion from Judea/Palaestina)

>>16357571
>a human Starship to mars would look like on the interior?
one of these needs to be installed for sure

>>16357600
>THE hardest part of a mars colony is vetting people who are mentally stable enough to stay in their room for days on end without claustrophobia or cabin fever
then recruiting from /sfg/ would give them a good harvest

>>16357619
Knowing Elon's autism he would actually salvage the helm from some sunken wreck. Kino for sure
captcha: GYAT

>>16357625
farmsteading on mars would be nice

>>16357625
I would 100% take a multi-year contract to trundle around Mars solo in a beefed-up rover, mapping the terrain and taking prospecting samples.

>>16357600
Space colonization is the domain of high-functioning autists

>>16357599
>>16357615
not his only tweet

>>16357641
Hahah it’s so true

>>16357600
I don't think this is really a problem as much as it is a hidden benefit. The requirements of the trip select for high productivity, efficiency and alignment with space exploration.

>>16357644
Wait holup he was cooking here. Is this real?
Maybe he really does notice… hmm

>>16357631
>>16357638
>>16357641
>yfw the lag makes shitposting and participating in happening threads on /sfg/ impossible

>>16357652
Mars will have its own turboautist anonymous intranet imageboard connected via Martian starlink sats

>>16357652
earth problems can stay on earth, ill be posting on /mars/

>>16357631
being one of the first "blue collar" miners or farmers on mars would be one hell of an experience. I would be lying if I said I didn't think about being a humble maintenance tech on some far off mars colony.