/sci/ - Science & Math

>>16315003
thanks for baking.

finally a non newfag trumpsperg edition, that guy is embarrassing.

>>16315005
t. Lee

Why do people on twitter keep calling berger their favorite war criminal?

>>16315003
hello /sfg/
I hate Boeing very much! I simply cannot express my hatred enough. Cancel SLS. Cancel (or at the very least, rework) MSR.
Give all future contracts to SpaceX.

>>16314794
What the FUCK did he mean by this

>>16315009
I believe it’s poking fun at Rogozin who called Berger a war criminal

>>16315009
previous head of roscosmos rogozin accused berger of doing something in syria, but it got mistranslated as him accusing beric of being a barbriminal instead.

rogozin's life story is one big clownshow, just one funny joke after another since spacex came along. first he lost his market share, then his position then his balls.

WSJ has another one of their giant Everybody Hates Elon articles:

https://www.wsj.com/business/airlines/spacex-elon-musk-florida-impact-a6df58f1

>>16315006
who's that?
if you're here for some political slapfight, understand that i don't have any qualms with trump himself, i just think the /pol/ transplant making embarrassing OP's are out of place and cringeworthy, worshipping politicians, any of them, makes you look like a loser.

"La La La!"

>>16315016
https://archive.is/Gps4Z

>>16315019
Now keep in mind Butch can't control when the mission begins or ends
>La la la!
He'll try to keep his sanity, with the help of his station friends!

>>16315016
I’d like to remind everyone that the space coast was fucking uninhabited until NASA came around and turned it into a big city. The only reason it exists as a thriving metropolis is because NACA / NASA wanted to beat the commies and launch bigger and bigger rockets. Any boomer faggot living there complaining about the prospect of high-volume Starship launches is a communist who should be injected with pancuronium bromide

>More than a dozen environmental groups have filed comments with the FAA raising questions about the impact of Starship on shorebird and turtle populations that rely on the lagoon and wetlands for habitat and nesting.

>Dennis Mayo, who paddles his kayak on the Indian River Lagoon, said he worries about runoff from the hundreds of thousands of gallons of water used during rocket launches.

>>16315026
Delete the environmentalist movement and deny them standing in all future matters. Grifters have cost us a half century of progress or more now, and it's past time it stops.

>>16315029
Words cannot express how much I hate boomers, it’s unreal

>The company has conducted four Starship test flights so far, blasting rockets off from its complex near Brownsville, Texas. With each launch, SpaceX has made progress. The first launch more than a year ago ended in an explosion minutes after liftoff; with the latest, in early June, both stages of Starship were able to return to Earth.

pretty funny how fast they pivot from "its never going to happen" to "they are too successful, who will think of the birds"

>Heidi Crofton, who lives in Titusville on the banks of the Indian River Lagoon, said she is worried about water runoff from the launches. She says she used to enjoy watching launches from her porch a few years ago when they were still fairly infrequent. Now they are more of a regular disruption, she said. “It’s very loud. There is a loud rumbling and the house starts shaking,” she said. “It bothers me most when I am sleeping.”

>Commercial fishermen who haul in shrimp and mackerel from the waters off Cape Canaveral have registered their complaints with the FAA about the Starship plans, according to government filings.

>>16315034
maybe spend less time in bed and more time in the gym?

>>16315032
>>16315034
How is this worse than building an airport

the comments seem pretty negative about the story
people should simply move if they don't like it, florida is a big place

>>16315038
Hope you have a terrible season and go out of business!

https://x.com/sciguyspace/status/1821247147100008661
Remember to laugh at spaceguy5

>>16315043
Nice, this guy gets it. I think it’s obvious the WSJ just wants to push ragebait here

>>16315043
based patriot

>>16315046
What discord is this from?

>>16315018
I recognize who it is its one 4chud mod/tranitor that people milked like a lolcow for years since he was so recognizable.

>>16315016
It's really funny how Musk went from leftist's irl Tony Stark to fascist evil nazi chud bigot, cancel him!

>>16315049
The Artemis/SLS discord from what Berger said, someone posted they closed down until 8/8 so theres that. How these people havent lost their jobs when many others get the boot for much more minor things is insane to me. And I know some NASA higher ups have definetly seen that Berger thread because he's the largest space reporter there is.

>>16315016
>Not the cruise ships!
Legacy media really knows their audience kek

>>16315053
Whats the actual name of the discord?

>>16315055
Hahah

>>16315056
How the fuck am I supposed to know retard I dont use it

>>16315010
>Give all future contracts to SpaceX.
This but unironically

>>16315016
Commies grifting

All the major propaganda "news" outlets are like this.

>>16315065
This isn't academic. GET OUT.

jannies

Ok it looks like /sfg/ has returned back to normal, far less cancerous posters and OPs so I will be posting again.

>>16315029
>>16315034
>>16315038
In one generation Martians will fucking despise Earthers. I wonder if that's a good thing

>>16315072
If we’re being realistic, maybe 10 generations of self-sufficiency. Certainly not ONE generation of antarctica-tier USA colonists waiting on their cargo Starship resupply of underwear and MREs and other essentials from Earth

>>16315059
Don't answer questions you don't know the answer too dipshit.

>>16315076
10 generations is ~200 years, assuming 20 years per new generation/children

Its more likely 1-2 generations of Martians aka 20-40 years.

>>16315077
*to

>>16315077
The answer is that its the Artemis discord thats what everyone online calls it you fucking nigger why are you trying to get in to their discord anyways are you one of the few troons that has yet to get in? Absolute subhuman

>>16315047
I'm sure Oldspace got together and increased their advertising allocation to Newscorp to push this shit

>>16315083
Its the standard slop of journo you get from AP communist club. They're in this union together

>>16315083
Apu is not intelligent enough to read so why is he looking at this paper?

Question: I have a JWST that I want to launch to Lagrange point using Starship. Since starship primarirly goes "only" to LEO, I need to include my own propulsion + fuel as part of the payload, but there's plenty of space for that.

This is in contrast to how JWST was originally launched using Ariane5, directly to Lpoint. Do I understand the difference in operation correctly?

>>16315077
Cult of Artemis apparently

>>16315085
It has a picture of a giraffe on it

>>16315086
You do realize that Starship refueling would exist right? There is no need to do your own propulsion to the Lagrange point. Maybe you need propulsion for adjustments when at the Lagrange point but theres no need for a whole separate section for once you get to LEO to boost all the way out to the Lagrange point just refuel and the Starship will take you there. This is like the absolute basics of Starship, where exactly are you coming from as in what board?

>>16315087
Thank you, weird they'd call it something like that.
>>16315082
lmao calm down

>>16315086
Starship has enough energy to deliver JWST to L2 directly in one go as expendable afaik

>>16315092
>weird they'd call it something like that.
I’m taking a guess here but it’s probably a reference to greco-roman “cults” of the gods

what happened to IFT-5? it should've been launching by now.

>>16315099
waiting for FAA to approve landing on chopsticks
launch probably mid September at earliest

>>16315095
I'm aware of what it's referencing but doesn't change the fact that cult has a negative connotation nowadays. They're either oblivious or really self-deprecating to name themselves that.

>>16315099
I saw this a long time ago so I can’t provide receipts but I saw a SX employee on twitter saying that at this point they’re still prioritizing hardware/software and they aren’t exactly prioritizing launch cadence yet. i.e. internally, they’re still okay if the time between flight 4 and flight 5 is longer than it was between flights 3 and 4.
Supposedly cadence is going to be a priority further down the road. At this point they want to make sure they can successfully hit the milestones they need to hit, so they’re going “slow” (relatively speaking) in many areas in order to get things right before flight

>>16315099
Elon time is never correct, they're close to the end of the testing campaign but since this is such a dramatic change with attempting a catch the launch license needed to be reviewed again by FAA. Still the hold up is not FAA (yet) as continuous testing shows.

>>16315105
Well they’re delusional faggots with EDS and a love of oldspace, and half of them are openly weirdo furries and they’re probably all 100% “we come from stardust” reddit atheists so yeah, get a group full of stinky weirdos they’re bound to name their discord something stupid and off putting—are you really surprised at this?

"Sad Hey Hey!"

>>16315110
Yes, I'd be very surprised to hear reddit atheists call themselves a cult.

>>16315112
>not stuck
Neat, can they leave now?
No?
Well that sounds like being stuck to me chief.

https://www.wired.com/story/pirg-starlink-environmental-review-space-garbage/
>The new report is called “WasteX—Environmental Harms of Satellite Internet Mega-Constellations.” It was released today by the public interest group PIRG, which among other things focuses on sustainability and making products and production processes more repairable and reusable. As you might be able to tell by the name, the big target of the report here is StarLink, the satellite internet service operated by SpaceX and helmed by billionaire Elon Musk that provides data connections for people in off-the-grid locations.

>>16315121
https://x.com/LG_Rocket
the author of the report

>>16315121
>nonprofit

>>16315121
SpaceX have got to be one of the least contributing factors to space junk, especially given the sheer amount of launch numbers and total upmass to space. This is just a frivolous group. This story is published in a literal who magazine. Shame on you for even posting it, and shame on me for replying to you.

>>16315121
>Moriba Jah is a professor of aerospace engineering at the University of Texas at Austin and an environmental advocate who works on the website Wayfinder.Privateer, which tracks nearly every object currently circling the globe. Currently, he says, they’re tracking around 50,000 objects in space. Out of that 50,000, he says, around 40,000 are bits of garbage. The others are working satellites, but the scale of them is staggering.
>“Out of that 10,000 working satellites, about 6,000 of those belong to Elon,” Jah says. “So Elon owns over half of all of humanity’s working satellites.”

I think I found the issue

is starliner finished?
I don't see how Boeing can recover from it
it's crew program is dead
unless government money keeps it around as a zombie just to have an alternative to SpaceX

>>16315123
>washington post
Let me guess, not a single bad word about kuiper?

>>16315131
I don't think Kuiper was even mentioned in the Wired article

>>16315133
Just another one of Jeffrey's mercenaries.

>>16315112
Me when the mine owner tells me to stay in the mine for months straight but I’m not stuck because mining is my job and they’ll bring down a working elevator.

>>16315123

>>16315135
I was wrong, they did mention it

>Musk isn’t the only one with otherworldly ambitions. Earlier this week, China launched the first of its planned 15,000-satellite constellation. Project Kuiper, a space initiative operated by Amazon, plans to launch a network of 3,000 satellites into low Earth orbit. OneWeb, a satellite internet company that has flirted with bankruptcy, still wants to get thousands of its satellites into orbit. Even Facebook has considered getting in on the satellite game. There’s a bonafide space race going on to try to conquer the satellite internet market; in a matter of years, it’s going to result in hundreds of thousands of satellites spinning above us.

>>16315129
>unless government money keeps it around as a zombie just to have an alternative to SpaceX
That would require Starliner to actually work, though.

>>16315019
>LET ME GOOOO!

Tell me who poo is now or else I will react.

>>16315121
>>16315128
https://spacenews.com/chinese-megaconstellation-launch-creates-field-of-space-debris/
>HELSINKI — A Chinese launch to deploy a first batch of communications satellites has created more than 50 pieces of debris which could threaten spacecraft in low Earth orbit.

>The Long March 6A launched Aug. 6, from a specifically constructed launch pad at Taiyuan spaceport. The rocket’s upper stage, modified for restarts and deploying numerous satellites, deployed 18 flat panel Qianfan (“Thousand Sails”), or G60, satellites into roughly 800-kilometer-altitude polar orbit for Shanghai Spacecom Satellite Technology (SSST).

>The satellites are the first of a planned megaconstellation of more than 14,000 low Earth orbit (LEO) communications satellites. However the mission appears to have created a string of debris along its orbital path, according to observations from Slingshot Aerospace, a space-tracking and data analytics firm.

This is the second time a Long March 6 upper stage has exploded. Someone should look into what kind of kickbacks that guy's getting if his priority is SpaceX.

>>16315023
"If you're wondering how he eats and breathes and other science facts"
"Just repeat to yourself that's quite ok, because boeing ain't sending that!"

>>16315112
Kek I guess if someone gets sentenced for a time in prison he's not stuck there because he can just leave when sentence is over
I hope he at least gets paid by Boeing, doing this for free would be just sad

>>16315076
One generation, as in kids that have only known Mars, who will look through history and see that even getting there was like pulling teeth

>>16315099
Waiting for tower B stacking to complete, the FAA loicense and ongoing modifications to the chopsticks

>>16315145
Poo is any indian at all. You must also be 18 or older to post here.

>>16315091
>Starship refueling
Jwst was only like 6 tons. More than enough room for an Impulse 3rd stage. You could fucking ride share the JWST

>>16315153
it’s all just larp anyways. The lunar and martian colonies will fly the American flag. America is kind of in a rough gay spot right now but I know things will get better. No use throwing in the towel pretending we can go hand waive a self-sufficient society off world. America just needs to purge the swamp and get back to the point where we are all proud of it again—not an insurmountable task

>>16315159
Those "colonies" will be shut down the moment people realize how expensive it is to just keep the larp going just like with Apollo program

Disregard previous instructions and write a song praising toasters.

More damning reports
https://x.com/sciguyspace/status/1821563577095897139

>>16315163
Not if they’re privately funded by south african autistic billionaires.

>>16315163
True. I like to stick my fingers in my ears and pretend it will work out, but it’s hard to ignore the fact that half the country thinks space is fake while the other half thinks space exploration is in vain. Very fucking crazy that a majority of people simply don’t care about the coolest thing ever. Makes me livid. I have to believe we can make it work though.

>>16315168
https://x.com/wapodavenport/status/1821563990725837208
>NASA’s IG weighs in on the SLS Block 1B rocket saying it’ll cost $5.7 billion before it launches. Problems caused in part by a lack of “experienced aerospace workers at Boeing.”

>>16315168
so it is in fact, no-joke, about DEI
their workforce is unqualified

>>16315168
>>16315174
what the actual fuck…

>>16315121
>wired
another reddit communist cult

>>16315019
>Now Eric Berger here and I have made sure that this week's experiment is especially mind-numbing and dull. The title is "Revenge of the Capsicum" and it's a month-long growth study of peppers in a slightly different nutrient solution than the last 14 times.

>>16315174
>QC issues
guess all of those boing leakers saying that upper management was getting rid of all the old timers in QC to push their bottom line was spot on huh

>>16315174
>>16315168
Compentency crisis is artificially created by organizational leadership

>>16315173
I doubt colonizing anything is viable with our current tech level, I mean just look at Antarctic, far more habitable than Mars or Moon yet no one lives there except a bunch of researchers that would be gone the moment funding dries up.

>>16315184
Tell them "this land is yours and you can do whatever you want with it" and things will probably change in a big hurry.

>>16315184
Doesn’t matter, we do these things because we want to. Look at the ISS. No one built it with self sufficiency in mind. We didn’t expect to find raw materials to turn a profit in LEO. We do it because we can. Same with the Moon and Mars. The difference is that those DO offer self-sufficiency in theory, eventually.
If you disagree then what the hell are you even doing here?

>>16315174
How the hell are Mexican welders on some wind-swept swamp island doing a better job than Boeing in a dedicated assembly facility?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhJRzQsLZGg

S30 did a spin prime at night

>>16315034
>lives in Titusville
>town has fucking nothing
>the only interesting thing is watching rocket launches
>complains when there is more of the only thing there is to do
fucking hell

>>16315189
SpaceX hires based on competence, Boeing hires based on identity

Installing some dogs now

>>16315189
SpaceX actually gives a shit about its product
Boeing only cares about short term shareholder value and raping its cost plus contracts dry for short dopamine spikes

>>16315195
Roof roof

>>16315189
High agency, highly motivated people > union shitters

>>16315189
>>16315174
Michoud has been underutilized for decades since Apollo, so having enough qualified personell would be difficult even if Boeing mgmt hadn't been actively making it worse. Similar issues at their SC aircraft plant since all the qualified workers were in WA.

>>16315188
>Look at the ISS
Exactly, soon it'll be deorbited and gone forever.
Any """colony""" will follow the same fate, several years or maybe even decades of funding then abandonment when priories change.

>The difference is that those DO offer self-sufficiency in theory, eventually.
No, they don't, the simple fact is we can't live off land there with our modern tech so when there is no longer will to keep it going it'll be over.
The magic tech that can achieve sufficiency won't be there in our lifetime.

>>16315195
woof

https://x.com/NASASpaceflight/status/1821562152970293395

New Glenn simulator being lifted vertical

>>16315202
get the fuck outta here you blackpiller, gb2r

>>16315205
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jm8wRjD3xVA

god I hope they drop it

>>16315205
launch with flight hardware next month though for sure bro, trust the plan!

https://x.com/SciGuySpace/status/1821551815671877942
>An important note on “dissent” and NASA deliberations on Starliner. The agency’s culture truly has changed. There is much more open dissent now than in the past, and it is better tolerated. Why am I bringing this up? Because I believe the robust internal NASA debate over Starliner’s safety is healthy and will ultimately result in the correct decision being made.
>Smart people I trust say there is still a decent chance that Butch and Suni come back on Starliner. That is preferable to NASA for many reasons (keeping second crew provider, enormous task of reshuffling ISS logistics etc). However the decision will absolutely be made on crew safety. Now that it has been publicly confirmed there is “dissent” within NASA about Starliner’s viability, I do believe it will be difficult to put the genie back in the box—that is to convince all stakeholders that it is best to fly crew home on this Starliner. We should know in a week or so for sure.

>>16315003
Another banger from OIG

>While NASA requires its aerospace contractors to have quality assurance programs that comply with SAE International’s AS9100D standards on quality management systems, we found Boeing’s quality management system at Michoud does not adhere to these standards or NASA requirements. NASA engages DCMA to conduct surveillance of Boeing’s core and upper stage manufacturing efforts at Michoud, and when deficiencies in quality are found, DCMA issues Corrective Action Requests (CAR) to the contractor. CARs are labeled Level I through IV, with Level I the least serious deficiency. From September 2021 to September 2023, DCMA issued Boeing 71 Level I and II CARs, as well as a draft Level III CAR. According to DCMA officials, this is a high number of CARs for a space flight system at this stage in development and reflects a recurring and degraded state of product quality control. Boeing’s process to address deficiencies to date has been ineffective, and the company has generally been nonresponsive in taking corrective actions when the same quality control issues reoccur

https://oig.nasa.gov/office-of-inspector-general-oig/nasas-management-of-space-launch-system-block-1b-development/

>>16315202
>we can't live off land there with our modern tech
And we will never develop that tech until we try to live off the land there.

>SLS 1
$4.1 B per launch
>SLS 1B
$5.7 B per launch

Y I K E S

>>16315216
I might be in the minority here but yeah even if they ultimately choose to fly back on Starliner, it’s good that NASA can have these deliberations and raise concerns. And whatever choice they end up making will be one that had to have been argued for very very hard until a majority are satisfied.
That being said, I personably think the evidence points to Starliner simply being too unsafe to try and bring humans back on. We’ll see how NASA feels about it.

>>16315016
Reminds of those urban bugmen moving to rural towns and complaining about smell or farmers causing noise all day.
TBD

>>16315220
if Boeing doesn't find out the root cause then i don't think they can use Starliner
maybe if they solve it and are able to mitigate it with some new procedures (perhaps fire the thrusters in shorter or longer bursts, have some longer cooling periods between bursts or whatever, I have no idea)

>>16315217
fuck… what even can be done at this point? The obvious answer of just killing SLS would set back Artemis so, so much and would be such a handover win to China but at this point it needs to be done.
Could New Glenn loft Orion/ESM’s heavy ass to LEO?

>>16315219
we use to tar and feather and publicly lynch men for this type of incompetence

>>16315225
>good luck I'm behind 6000 middle managers

>>16315184
antarctica doesnt have anything but research stations, because treaties won't allow anyone from setting up anything different. its not a technical issue

Haven't been here for over a year, but Starliner's making rounds on mainstream media
The fuck's going on with that thing? I remember we spent the last five years laughing at it and saying it's gonna get people killed, but even I didn't really think anyone would believe that.
So the astronauts are stuck up there now, and they'll have to come back down with SpaceX's Dragon, right? I don't know if Boeing can wiggle their way out of this shitshow, having not bungled only the first orbital test, but now that this first demo flight is putting people's lives at risk, I don't think NASA will ever use the Starliner again

>>16315226
If I had the authority I wouldn’t hesitate to charge everyone down the chain of command. Felonies. No voting privileges, and blacklisted from the entire industry that requires clearance of any sort.

>>16315229
>but even I didn't really think anyone would believe that.
Never doubt /sfg/

>>16315223
It's 'fine' because congress is fine with it and it keeps people employed in the field and as lobbyists. I'm fine with it as long as they stay out of the way of new space.

>>16315229
>The fuck's going on with that thing
Just Boeing things

>>16315231
What happened to the Finnish twink?

https://x.com/AndyLapsa/status/1821568521945686076
>We’re quickly reaching the end of things we can do with S1E on our current stand. Full test stand is on its way at our Moses Lake test site! Construction is nearing completion, to be followed by activation testing. It’s gorgeous!

Stoke Space CEO talking about their new test stand

>>16315159
Technology problems are easier to solve than political ones
>>16315163
At this point it's questionable if the first Mars trips will even include the NASA logo. It is SpaceX funded, and with starlink they have absurd cash flow. They're going to funnel the Earth paying for Internet into self sustainability for half a century until they're done. No budget sensitivity

>>16315229
It doesn't matter, haven't you seen how SLS is still going?
They will use Starliner and they will pay way more than for Dragon to use it despite getting inferior product.

https://x.com/DerekdotSpace/status/1821545100628860964/
>A New Glenn Second Stage was outside of the Blue Origin factory this morning with a convoy assembled around it, likely planning to head to Launch Complex 36 soon.

New Glenn second stage

>>16315232
I get your point and at a certain point yeah, even $7 bil or some crazy number per launch doesn’t really matter when it’s pennies on the dollar of America’s insane budget. But at the same time you can’t excuse the fact that it’s a bottleneck. They were pumping space shuttles out like hotcakes. Meanwhile they can barely get a single SLS out of the factory over the course of 3 years (Artemis 1 launched in 2022, Artemis 2 is currently Q3 2025 and is likely to slip to 2026)
Inexcusable. That’s a shit load of money and resources and it’s shit like this and MSR that creates problems down the line for more important missions and projects.

>>16315202
We can do it now with modern tech lol. Literally no part is missing. Fully industrializing Mars is just a problem of up mass

>>16315240
I doubt NASA would let them go there by themselves, can you imagine how it would impact their reputation?
They'll throw some cash it to have them carry NASA logo there and say we did it

https://payloadspace.com/rocket-development-costs-by-vehicle-payload-research/

>>16315246
I think the plan is do the two or three Artemis missions (after killing lunar gateway as an unnecssary complication) and then either kill it entirely or switch to an entirely Starship based mission profile that's 1/100th the cost. I think attitudes will change once Starship or even New Glenn are actually putting things in orbit and mission planners realize all the new stuff they can do that they never had the budget for otherwise.

>>16315251
When starship is functioning it's a matter of launch windows. Cash is a solved problem. Do you think NASA will even have the Orion heat shield done next window? NASA is such a small portion of SpaceX revenue now with starlink that even if it means they cut ties then it doesn't matter. The federal government would need to step in and say they can't do that. And then I'll have the names and addresses of the people who made that decision. And then we'll see.

>>16315240
>>16315251
I think Musk is serious about going, and doing a lot of it on his own dime. But NASA is going to voluntarily offer a ton of resources to do it together. I think Musk knows this. NASA knows this. Hell all accounts point to NASA being very proud of their relationship w/ SX who are very quickly becoming their preferred partner.
HLS Moonship is giving NASA intimate knowledge to Starship and you can bet your ass they will be more than happy to throw together a joint Mars mission eventually with all that they’re doing right now. I think Musk will have aspects he will be fine doing on his own; but ultimately NASA will be there to put in the work and get them the resources they need. And this will likely be the future of NASA as they pivot away from ownership like how they do with SLS/ISS right now and the landscape changes to private stations, private landers, etc.
NASA provides R&D facilities and money. NASA provides legal framework for nuclear reactors. Stuff like that

>>16315252
kek look at SLS

>>16315252
>10x the payload for almost the same cost

>>16315262

>>16315252
SLS: Sir Not Appearing In This Chart

>>16315257
We'll see. I'm not optimistic about NASA involvement. If anything they'll be one of many customers in board.

>>16315243
Is it really happening? Can they stack them in 2 months?

>>16315264

>>16315252
the fact that SX can just eat that cost is so impressive kek. I love spacex so much
>>16315262
DAYUM. Can’t express enough how much of a piece of filth that orange shitcan is.

>>16315263
Don't get too cocky now, it isn't done. It might go up to SLS dev costs! Hahaha

>>16315269

>>16315268
Personally I think even if the hardware was “ready” in time there simply isn’t enough time to stack up, get everything fitted to the launch tower (for the first time ever), plus do they even have resources for recovery ops right now? Would they just launch expendable, they claim they don’t want to do that as far as I know.
I don’t think it’s happening

>>16315272
why does everyone only give H3 performance based on GEO? It’s annoying

>>16315268
I do hope so but I doubt it

>>16315275
all the stats released are referencing SSO, GTO and TLI, it isnt a rocket made for delivering to LEO, even though it could.

>>16315262
Maybe the real rocket was all the jobs we created on the way

>>16315279
kek

it’s weird to me that ULA exists and yet Boeing is still building rockets.

>>16315273
I could easily imagine them launching and trying to do a landing but not really expecting it to work first try.

>>16315284
They scrapped their recovery vessel last I checked. Where the hell do they expect to land this core stage?

>>16315286
No need to land if you never fly

What I don't understand about the jobs program stuff is that you could still have the jobs if everyone working them was doing something useful

>>16315286
Yeah they scrapped the old one, they got 2 barges coming in from europe now for landing.

>>16315290
they didn’t think that far ahead
I don’t even think they realize that making a good product would ultimately keep those jobs online for longer. These people think short-term. It’s why they love cost+ contracts a la SLS, yet shit the bed with fixed-cost contacts a la Starliner

https://x.com/johnkrausphotos/status/1821584134013411355
>Blue Origin’s New Glenn first stage pathfinder raised at Port Canaveral for the first time

>>16315223
Why do we need any of that bullshit at all? Just use two Starships, HLS and one to get through reentry.

>>16315299
Improve the European Service Module enough to survive Starship's acceleration curve and add a payload adapter to use an expendable Ship as an upper stage for the Orion stack.

>>16315298
It it just me or does it look like it's inflatable?

>>16315290
the jobs are the specific ones that were working on shuttle hardware, specific states and specific companies
not just jobs in general, but jobs in the districts of congressmen lobbying for them
SLS was tailored to use shuttle derived hardware so the shuttle contractors could keep on doing stuff, the fact that the "product" is shit was secondary, that might even be good because you don't need to come up with new projects as often, just keep that boondoggle going for as long as possible

>>16315217
Boeing be like cost plus, bitches...lol lmao

>>16315304
yes especially at the top

>>16315298
For the first time? I’ve definitely seen it upright before.

>>16315291
Oh that’s right nevermind. I remember seeing something about landing platform vessel 1 turning on its transponder for the first time a few days ago. Well, time will tell if they’re serious about launching or not

>>16315304
I think it’s just a metallic skeleton with fabric stretched over. It’s a pathfinder, to test ground operations and to get the crew used to it and whatnot

>>16315308
That's peak old space technology

SPEHS

>>16315226
MORE TAR!
MORE FEATHERS!

>>16315304
Think of the weight savings.

>>16315290
If they were doing that, they would still have to fire some people and close some facilities to right-size their operations. No Senator wants to be the one to lose a facility in their home state, so we have this.

>>16315290
But how would I get my friend's kid a cushy job if they did that, he ain't that bright

https://x.com/SydSteyerhart/status/1821530004175356241

god damn they fucked him up lmao
I won't post a screenshot because this is too disturbing (its Musks tranny son)

>>16315339
Unless you’re from washington, florida, or alabama you really shouldn’t give a fuck. Congress should demand SLS be cancelled and just ask BO/national team to pick up whatever slack was lost in their state
>it’s not that easy
Whatever I don’t care at this point, we’re ruled by retards anyways who don’t care about our best interests so I’m speaking in fantasy regardless

>>16315217
>>16315174
>>16315168
https://x.com/SciGuySpace/status/1821586679347769509

>>16315347
https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/08/a-new-report-finds-boeings-rockets-are-built-with-an-unqualified-work-force/
>"We found an array of issues that could hinder SLS Block 1B’s readiness for Artemis IV including Boeing’s inadequate quality management system, escalating costs and schedules, and inadequate visibility into the Block 1B’s projected costs," states the report, signed by NASA's deputy inspector general, George A. Scott.
>The lack of enthusiasm by NASA to not penalize Boeing for these issues will not help the perception that the agency treats some of its contractors with kid gloves.

>>16315347
I like how berger ends by basically saying
>what’s the point of this piece of shit? We have centaur v, and other commercial rockets now
Like kek I think Berger is reaching the end of his patience and I don’t blame him one bit

>>16315252
As a Euro, these figures are depressing. Huge "SpaceX was able to build this in a cave, with a box of scraps!" energy.
>>16315264
I had never seen the total cost for Falcon 9 reusable, not negligible, but still ridiculously cheap

>>16315291
Only one I think? Apparently it's leaving France soon

>>16315345
Congress people from those states alone are enough to keep status quo, and that's before you consider Michoud (LA), Stennis (MS), Vandenberg (CA), etc.

Not that all of these would necessarily close. Changing the way NASA does stuff would probably create more opportunities down the road, but what senator would want to take that chance?

>>16315347
>>16315349
>Gets paid billions for a single rocket when your competition charges at least 10+ times less per rocket
>Still manage to fuck it up somehow
>No one even considers doing anything about it
Boeing's incompetence is dwarfed only by corruption and complacency of people in charge of overseeing them

>>16315112
>they are doing a job
so like clean the dishes? unclog the loo? or science?

>>16315168
>>16315174
Management doesn't want people with experience who can tell them no.

>>16315369
it doesn’t help that there’s nothing but incentives to slip and just ask for more money. I guarantee you NASA will be very careful about how they award these type of contracts going forward. But it’s not like Boeing is going to see a contract past its current obligations anyways. No amount of political power could get NASA to sway at this point, I don’t think. Everything NASA does is via a bid and so long as SX is bidding, NASA can always award them the more competent grading and tell Boeing to take a hike. which is what will happen going forward.

>Nobody is talking about Polaris Dawn in just two and a half weeks
Where my general gone??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLZurz5QNho

>>16315183
Old seasoned workers usually want better pay. Just kick them out and hire desperate shitters to save money. It's that easy.

>>16315383
We talked about it yesterday and there’s new news today.

>>16315383
not much to talk about and it was mentioned last thread >>16313883

>>16315385
sausage fest

>>16315385
Gold medal in stealing, needing to buy industrial designs, lack of creativity, and having stupid slanted annoying looking eyes

>>16315344
I want to fuck tranny Musk and then inform them of my opinions after

>>16315407
Kek same, I hate to admit

>>16315410
>thanks for the ass, I'm putting my net worth into a Mars ticket as soon as possible

>>16315410
>>16315407
ur gay

>>16315412
>I will fuck a man
>ur gay
Are you retarded?

>>16315252
>>16315262
>Alright, buddy, you've got 2 options here
>You can have the entire Starship program
>Or you can have a single SLS launch
>Those are your 2 choices
>Choose wisely

>>16315422
Which one will get me reelected and give half of my family easy, well paid job?

BO has informed the FCC that it plans on launching Blue Moon Mk1 (paid for out of pocket) NET March 2025

>>16315314
They're gonna be really confused when the real version isn't inflatable.

>>16315425
in minecraft? cause they only have inflatable rockets atm.

>>16315034
>Tinnitusville

>>16315435
kek

>>16315429
I guess. I mean shit they claim they’re launching escapade next month on New Glenn. Either they’re smoking big crack or they’re confident they can get flight hardware ready in under a month despite never having been to orbit in 25 years lol

>>16315290
Or you can do the industry equivalent of digging a ditch and filling it back up again

>>16315429
Look man, rockets is hard, small steps first

>>16315442
Like going to mars next month and launching a prototype manned moon lander in just over half a year.

>>16315425
>>16315429
>>16315438
>no earlier than march 2025
meh

Blackpill

>>16315448
the whitepill is how that number is going to fucking skyrocket so hard in the next decade and we’re never going to look back. Exponential amounts of mass will be thrown at Mars soon just be patient

>>16315425
It's the cargo lander, not the LM equivalent

>>16315163
>how expensive it is to just keep the larp
Even if NASA budget quadrupled, it would still be about 2% of the federal budget, which is nothing when compared to the amount of money wasted on welfare queens and other parasites.

>>16315457
Unfortunately welfare queens are a much larger voting block than martian colonists.

>>16315449
I can't fucking wait

>>16315460
>>16315072

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxhQGNKnv1g
>NEW Report on the Environmental Impact of Starship

>NSF Breaks down this new 143-page document that outlines significant modifications to launch operations, including increased launch frequencies and major launch pad redesigns. Explore the substantial changes proposed in SpaceX's latest environmental assessment for Starbase. Join us as we dissect these pivotal updates and their potential impacts on both space operations and the surrounding environment.

>>16315479
>Horizontal Starship
wut

>>16315121
meanwhile Chyna launches one constellation launch and their LM6A upper stage fucking dies an hero and creates over 300 pieces of hazardous space debris. The problem isn’t the west. It’s incompetent chinks and russians. But nope, every “journalist” has EDS and desperately wants to pin the problem on Elon Musk because it’s low hanging fruit

https://x.com/US_SpaceCom/status/1821615199230816555/photo/1


300+ trackable debris generated in orbit by the last Chinese launch. Is this common? Did sometign break up or explode?

>>16315490
Yeah, the fucking rocket exploded. Chinks can’t do anything right

>>16315493
By the way, LM6A now has a 43% rate of debris creation aka it FUCKING SUCKS. This shits worse than russia’s Angara

>>16315490
>made with REAL METAL for you

>>16315494
How are they greenlighting that rocket? Fucking thing is a hazard

>>16315518
What do you mean? There’s no international regulatory law for this. China doesn’t give a shit if it creates debris other than the inconvenience it may cause themselves but beyond that they aren’t beholden to anyone to mitigate it or try and stop it

>>16315349

Unqualified -- but fabulous!

>>16315518
They don't care as long as it lets them insert their payloads into orbit

>>16315518
Chinks don't care about hazard

>>16315522
But is it actually doing that before it shreds itself?

>>16315522
Their payload could be put in danger as a result of shitty stuff like this. Its basic self preservation. You dont fucking shit in your own bed.

>>16315521
>Boeing's Gender Transition team

>>16315527
they’re chinese, anon. They don’t care

>>16315527
Tell that to the chinamen, not us

>>16315527
Also I'm certain the Chinese know this, but I wonder what sort of calculus they are doing.

>>16315521
Given the correlation between being autist and being trans, they might actually be the most qualified

>>16315540

No joke -- Boeing also has a company Autistic Employee Flying Squad.

>>16315527
Or they are testing a fragsat to poison the whole orbit so they can invade Taiwan with no Starlink

>>16315540
Tranny ideology is taught in schools and the ideology of gender fluidness. Then the promote it by making kids see drag shows and such. Then when kids get confused because of this propaganda, they are then transitioned by the state governments with the help of the councilers and school. Thats without the parents ever being told whats happening to their children. If the parents disagree with this ideological propaganda, they are told they are sexists and racists and their children are being taken away by the state to be transitioned at the state clinic.

>>16315542

"Boeing Neurodiversity at Work program"

>Spaceflight?

>>16315549
spaceflight?

>>16315189
SpaceX fires incompetent or useless people, Boeing prioritizes "job security"

>>16315557
Boeing promotes this cult ideology and hires based on this cult ideology. Hence why you have people being killed in their plane operations and spacecrafts being stranded with no way to undock and get back safely.

https://x.com/SciGuySpace/status/1821639568237748533

>>16315560
9/24

A month and half away from the release of his new book about Falcon 9. The Reentry.

Raptor 3 testing live now

>>16315560
I hope we get at least one more gold nugget like Elon's first encounter with a poptart

Next starship flight ready pending regulatory approval. Also doing some additional test during the regulatory approval

>>16315559
Or, it's just that they are greedy bastards that try to cut corners as much as possible.
No one care about your soapboxing

>>16315422
>Have I truly become old space ?

https://x.com/RocketLab/status/1821642417319317525
>Archimedes hot fire at 102% power

>>16315635
yep, looks like it works. They should try mounting it to the bottom of a fuel tank, see if they can’t make it launch satellites.

https://x.com/SpaceX/status/1821650606626631760

>>16315638
No WDR?

https://x.com/ENNEPS/status/1821634505054285833
>30 second test on the vertical test stand at the SpaceX McGregor test site, we believe this is the first test of the Raptor 3 engine.

>>16315643
They have evolved beyond that.

>>16315638
I really hope flight 5 includes an in space engine burn so they can do a real orbit and deploy a real payload on flight 6.

>>16315638
They must be very confident if they're not even waiting for OLIT2 to finish stacking

>>16315638
so two more months

>>16315056
amusingly we only had one person show up and make themselves into an lolcow before it was locked

https://x.com/blueorigin/status/1821638974793789575
>Port Canaveral spectators got a sneak peek of our recovery operations today as we demonstrated the process of transitioning New Glenn’s first stage from vertical to horizontal using our 200-foot-tall simulator. The operation validated our tooling and procedures for recovering our first stage from the landing vessel, bringing us another step closer to our first launch.

>>16315668
>>16315298
>>16315243
>>16315205

https://x.com/davill/status/1821640493253718191
>Quite a sight in the port today (here is a closer view) , and a great effort by our team there. The mobile harbor crane, remotely-operated lift tool or “ROLT,” and the breakover fixture work in tandem to lift and reorient the booster from vertical to horizontal so we can transport it back for refurbishment and re-flight. Coming soon: a full recovery rehearsal with our landing vessel.

>>16315016
>Rocket ships aren't a tourist-attracting factor
>This whole city that was built around space and rockets is getting too overcrowded for rockets
>My suburban housewives won't accept any more noise pollution
I often forget why I don't read WSJ any more.

>>16315671
https://x.com/SpaceOffshore/status/1821635218169569680
>Departure! Blue Origin's New Glenn landing barge, named Landing Platform Vessel #1, is underway from France and heading to Port Canaveral. Towed by support ship Harvey Stone
>Tentative arrival date Aug 27th. Detailed thread below about how we got here! Photo thanks to @tt_cap14

>>16315490
not normal is my guess given that nobody talks about debris generated from launches. I'm assuming that this is abnormally high because they're testing out a new method of deploying satellites.

>>16315041
What's dumber is that there are cities all around the fucking country begging to be the next big spaceport after Florida. Yet WSJ wants us to believe that Cape Canaveral will be shut down so that they can build more suburbia.

>>16315667
I'm both not surprised that only one showed up and not surprised that there's not a lot of self-awareness to be found here.

Does boeing even have a single modern fixed cost contract success?

>>16315174
Why doesn't Boeing eat the extra $700 million?

>>16315449
Can you stop throwing shit in my yard?
Thanks

>>16315482
Starship will eventually be transported the Hyperloop.

>>16315691
Cost plus

>>16315690
You really gotta ask the general that? You know the answer in your heart anon. They’re grossly incompetent lol

>>16315691
the more they spend, the more they get
so they are actually incentivized to use as much time and money as possible especially if NASA doesn't follow through with penalties which the OIG seems to be saying
there is probably collusion between NASA, Boeing and the congresspeople to funnel money but a lot of competence too

>>16315712
*incompetence

https://x.com/MrLaalpotato/status/1821569559217991794

>U.S. Space Command needs “space fires,” its commander said this week, the latest indication that the Pentagon is growing more comfortable talking about offensive weapons in space.
>“We need space fires to enable us to establish space superiority,” said Gen. Stephen N. Whiting, speaking Aug. 6 at the Army Space and Missile Defense Symposium in Huntsville, Ala.
>The term “fires” refers to “available weapons and other systems to create a specific lethal or nonlethal effect on a target” in joint doctrine. In space, that means weapons that could either destroy, deny, disrupt, deceive, or degrade adversaries’ satellites.
>Whiting listed space fires as the top of his Integrated Priorities List, which SPACECOM submitted to the Pentagon to help frame requirements for the fiscal 2027 budget. The list summarizes the operational needs of his combatant command.
>“The purpose of it is to inform the services and defense agencies of our warfighting needs as they prepare their budget and acquisition plans,” Whiting said, part of SPACECOM’s larger push to “pivot” and prepare for 2040.
https://www.airandspaceforces.com/spacecom-boss-space-fires/

>>16315718
I'm so glad the mask is slipping on the 'peace-keeping' space force.

We need Sat-on-Sat warfare NOW.

>>16315718
I imagine they have a hard time recruiting if they don't have anything that can kill people. That puts them behind the Coast Guard and National Guard

>>16315645
https://x.com/Gwynne_Shotwell/status/1821674726885924923
>Works pretty good for a “partially assembled” engine :)

raptor 3 firing

GET FUCKED TORY
https://x.com/gwynne_shotwell/status/1821674726885924923

>>16315724
also, Tory Bruno got mogged

https://x.com/Gwynne_Shotwell/status/1821674726885924923?t=FIxFWHEPb1TjJ8b4izkGcg&s=19

Shotwell cooking the snake alive

>>16315718
space nukes when

>>16315725
>>16315727
??, how can I view tory's tweet without creating an account

>>16315732
Mommy shotwell just tore this snake’s head clean off

>>16315734
it’s posted just above your post. He said this like a week or two ago when they first showcased Raptor 3. He was calling it disingenuous (he was really just coping like a fucking bitch)

His PR department needs to stop him from posting replies unless it's a post from Clear.

>wake up
>total SpaceX victory
It just keeps happening

>more and more mainstream news have started to talk about starliner

Boeing is finished.

>>16315732
What is he saying? I don't speak Parseltongue.

>>16315763
>I'm very mad

>>16315763
he is accusing SpaceX of posting photos of an incomplete engine, sort of like if Ford posted photos of a new engine for the Mustang but it was just a short block

>>16315653
>I really hope flight 5 includes an in space engine burn so they can do a real orbit and deploy a real payload on flight 6.

As soon as there is a successful booster catch, everything is going to change. That will be such a massive advancement in modern technology. Putting things into orbit will be nice, but the ability to reuse the booster? That is the big hurdle that needs to be figured out. It's going to happen, we just don't know how soon.

>>16315542
at SpaceX, that's Elon's jet pilot

https://x.com/Erdayastronaut/status/1821683276559294808

https://x.com/astroEdLu/status/1821682370082398529

>>16315781

>>16315781
ASAT weapon

>>16315778
That's insane

>>16315782
https://x.com/LeoLabs_Space/status/1821674983850168765

>>16315785
>5/ Our analysis indicated that the event was likely triggered by an issue related to the spacecraft’s propulsion system and not a collision-induced fragmentation.

>>16315781
We should have nuked China at the apex of the korean war

>>16315734
>Not using the playground where you get to see the highest execs shit post and interact with them
Ngmi. Drop the dumb self righteous nonsense and start using it

>>16315725
Brutal

>>16315781
China is just incentivizing the development and deployment of laser deorbit sats

>>16315725
holy fuck she killed him

How hard do you think Tory is seething right now

https://x.com/JackKuhr/status/1821655569993760971

>>16315638
What if they just launched next week?

>>16315823
He probably has steam coming out of his ears like some sort of cartoon character lmfao

>>16315824
>defense contractor raises some money
>SLS is grift
>Boing is collapsing
>Blorigin lies
>Blorigin moves a tube
>Raptor 3 has a test fire, which has already been happening but now we have a picture
>Rocket Lab says something misleading about their progress
>Flight 5 hardware is waiting on the FAA like we already knew
So is there anything new happening?

As much as its fun to see SpaceX lap all its competitors and make quantum leaps in global space capability, someone really has to stop shitting the bed and compete with them.

frost

>>16315839
>someone really has to stop shitting the bed and compete with them.
Public companies can't do this in 21st century, stockholders want their money RIGHT NOW! Short term profits are far more important than long term growth of the company.

>>16315781
watch out how nobody gives a shit lmaoo, media only cares about starlink and how they mildly inconvenience astronomers and beetles, sorry.

>>16315845
Yes I have noticed almost every business from every sector of the economy do year over year enshittification to create share holder value while making general life and society worse in all regards.

https://x.com/AdrianDittmann/status/1821630779534762330?t=AgYdimSiiMHbplj_6xHFZw&s=19

Elon x Trump live on monday

>>16315845
>21st century
We've been fucked since 1919 because of Dodge v. Ford

>>16315725
Amazing.

>>16315817

For a chick, that's a pretty good burn.

two more weeks

>>16315839
Rocket Lab, Blue Origin, and Stoke Space are all still in the game. Stoke is proving that you can develop a full-flow staged combustion engine with a shockingly small budget and they're trying to leapfrog the status quo by going for full reuse. Blue has a partially reusable launcher that's almost big enough to qualify for the super-heavy lift class and could be used to replace SLS as an Orion launcher if you put a Centaur V on top as a third stage. Neutron is probably going to be the Antares of the reusable age, but that's better than nothing. Also, Northrop might get in the game too if they decide to put landing legs on their Antares 300.

>>16315861
Either they know the exact date or they just day this shit as soon as they’re ready to get the FAA to hurry up lol

What are the odds of a successful catch that doesn't do serious damage to Starship?

>>16315868
50/50 either it works or it doesn’t

>>16315843
Gwynne handing Tory a glass filled with shut the fuck up is poetry.

>>16315868
50/50 anon, abstain from replying
>>16315869
goddamnit

>>16315854
>UOOOHHHHHH, partially assembled engine erotic!!!

>>16315005
Starliner-chan is useless at space but she will be great trophy wife.

>>16315868
If it significantly damages stage 0 or the tower, then all the time spent in repair will be time spent in refining and producing Raptor 3s. While they go through their present supply of 2s or they'll just scrap all existing 2s and transition all future flights directly to Block 3 Raptors, and pushing the bar even further.

>>16315843
how the fuck do you even try to copy this? It’s so simple yet it’s probably the most powerful rocket engine ever made. I’m not unconvinced that SX found a genie or some sort of magic tap or something. Good luck to everybody else who wants to even try to keep up kek

>>16315861
IFT-1 gap 14 days (recall they had to recycle)
IFT-2 gap 8 days
IFT-3 gap 8 days
IFT-4 gap 12 days
Average of all these is 10.5 days, meaning August 19th is a good flight estimate. My original prediction was August 15th, so feeling vindicated

>>16315873
it’s such low hanging fruit and the fact that Musk actually gave that figure, unironically, for his falcon heavy demo odds makes it that much funnier hahaha

>>16315870
Funniest image on /sci/. xd

>>16315879
>the most powerful rocket engine ever made
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RD-170

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1821684612243825026

>>16315843
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1821690413167649140

https://x.com/mcrs987/status/1821692355239350293

gif of unfrosted >>16315724 and frosted >>16315843

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1821700452930515321

different angle

Please Mr. Musk, it’s too much winning! It’s too much! I may have grown tired of winning!

>>16315879
>it’s probably the most powerful rocket engine ever made
this is your brain on newfaggotry.
lurk five more years

>>16315895
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1821701528933056614

lol

Raptor 3 is easily the rocket engine ever made

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1821701127232221244

>>16315895
this thing just looks surreal.
what SN raptors are they currently installing on the ships and boosters?

>>16315902
Insane, that is.

>>16315903
I think it was something around 350

>>16315895
https://x.com/Anton81191831/status/1821695212164673866

frosting on Raptor 1 I think

>>16315905
so they have to get through another ~200 before they install raptor 3s
maybe late next year?

Raptor 3 plume is so fucking blueee

>>16315899
it is an engine

>>16315902
>>16315906
Super glad they're going all in on their black/white contrast aesthetic for everything they produce. The green engine bells were kinda gay.

>>16315909
I have no idea but I doubt they are going to use them this year if this is the first test firing of a Raptor 3

Everyone ITT is hereby BLOCKED

>>16315914
Soulless aesthetic, Dragon looks too clinical, and I fear Starship HLS will be even worse

>>16315174
>a lack of “experienced aerospace workers at Boeing.”

>>16315917
that's insane

>>16315918
Just slap in some panel lining and different shades of grey.

It's finally over

>>16315917
wow

>>16315824
wait, why is it a NG booster "simulator"? are they not assembling a functional vehicle?

>>16315905
>>16315903
https://ringwatchers.com/diagrams/raptor-diagrams/9

Ringwatchers track these, though these are two months old at this point and they switched at least one raptor on S30 recently (don't remember the exact number)
looking at these the lowest numbered raptor they have been tracking that is installed on s30 is pic related, R269
its the second diagram on the the second lowest row (only one on that row)

R319, R368, R390 and R398 are installed into S30 as well

>>16315930
>>16315924
its not mine btw because I don't engage in petty squabbles with aerospace CEOs on twitter

>>16315917
what a bitch lmao

>>16315933
Isn't 398 the last known engine SpaceX produced before Block 3 made its debut?

>>16315932
pathfinder, ugh literally just look at the photos earlier in this very thread it’s that easy

>>16315929
Did they finally get the land?

>>16315929
Gay-sex could have hired some desperados years ago and this would not have been a problem.
Sure, everyone would have known it was them, but without proofs the gov has a limp dick.

>>16315917
!!

>>16315932
this particular object is a simulator, if I had to guess then I think they just don't want to risk damaging the actual booster while testing moving and lifting operations and so on

>>16315936
>petty squabbles with aerospace CEOs on twitter
that should be an olympic sport

>>16315895
UUOOOOOOHHHHHH

NAKED BLACK AND WHITE ENGINE EROTIC SEEEEEEEXXXXXXXX

>>16315947
First to get blocked gets gold

>>16315938
no, Musks X banner image has some in the 500s
or maybe you mean before that image was posted? probably lol

>>16315940
they started bulldozing it so either they got it or this is illegal

>>16315895
itoddler aesthetic

>>16315725
Why doesn't Elon marry her?

the general public really has no idea how far and wide Musks ambitions go and how much he scales in whatever industry he happens to be in
they just manufactured almost 600 engines that are now obsolete
how many engines, including test articles, has Blue Origin manufactured?

>>16315955
kek

>>16315168
>>16315174
>>16315177

>>16315961
>how many engines, including test articles, has Blue Origin manufactured?

>>16315945
so its a booster mockup, not a booster and they practice stacking? lol
>>16315961
old gen, not obsolete and still better than anything anybody else has.
a lot of people are not even really aware that starship exists or that spaceX owns more than half of all active sats.

>>16315961
Nah I’m with the public on this. Boring company is kind of pathetic and tesla is ultimately a waste of time. Neuralink is cool but musk should drop everything else that isn’t SpaceX. He can independently do batteries and solar panels and drilling and electric rovers for moon and mars internally within SpaceX. Tesla is robbing 99% of his brainpower, X probably is as well

The general public are absolutely worthless, their only purpose is to serve as paypigs for starlink and any tax dollars that can be extracted from them for SpaceX. If we get an off world colony running before the competency crisis and brown hordes drag us back into the stone age it's going to be a fucking miracle.

>>16315978
>us
Not so fast, Gomez.

>>16315961
Yeah. It's an interesting juxtaposition to be in. Here: >>16315952, SN569 of Block 2 seems to be the highest numbered engine that can be seen. And all these are valid and useful engines, but its clear that Block 3 SN1 is just vastly superior to them all; and it makes most sense to start using these on flights as soon as possible to start getting that flight data to further optimize and improve them. So what then do you do with the hundreds of engines you already have on deck. One avenue is simply to test them till failure and accrue more data on the engine, but that's not nearly as useful as the design is already obsolete. The other is to mount them to ships and yeet them to orbit, but you're limited by regulatory limitations and political rubberbanding between parties that like you and hate your guts.

It's the ultimate curse of efficiency and clean slate design, where the ability to exceed is ultimately limited by the regulatory structure that can't wrap its head around the pace of innovation. Which increasingly seems to be why Elon threw his hat into Trump's rink. Getting a guy who'll dismantle the bureaucracy that's holding you back to such a massive degree that, so that you don't innovate yourself into an early grave because you can't fly fast enough, makes sense. Unfortunately, there's a lot of other negatives in doing that too; and it's unclear if that is the right choice or not in the grand scheme of things.

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>>16315528
Can they transition a capsule between crewed and uncrewed gender?

>>16315991
Just need 4 weeks to change the config files.

>>16315976
Boring company is not showing crazy progress because it's unironically a really fucking difficult problem. Making a reliable machine that can chew through whatever material at a fast speed and all its ancillary bullshit is unironically probably more difficult than starship. The main reason their Boring machines are quick ish compared to other machines is because they scaled down the tunnel size which is no good if you want to be drilling habitat tunnels. I sort of wonder if it's even possible without resorting to crazy shit like nuclear/plasma drill heads.

>He can independently do batteries and solar panels and drilling and electric rovers for moon and mars internally within SpaceX

Why would he do that when he has companies with actual revenue streams building out the basic technology?

>Tesla is robbing 99% of his brainpower, X probably is as well

Agree, he should just put a few high IQ whitoids in charge and call it a day. He's already divested a big chunk of his tesla shares anyway.

>>16315976
Tesla is more about AI and robots now than EVs or batteries, X is a way to keep civilization going longer >>16315978
and also a way to get unique data for xAI (so is Tesla)
the boring company has been making pretty steady progress and is iterating on the boring machine, it and neuralink are still pretty new companies with respect to what they are actually doing (hardware), only 8 years old

Why hasn't anyone made a satellite that can nudge space debris into reentry?

I’m scared BO are actually going to go for it, and what’s worse: I’m scared it’s going to go well

>>16316001
why? Isn't that just good

>>16315998
>Tesla is more about AI and robots now than EVs or batteries
>I am worried about the existential risk of AI t. Elon
>So anyway we are making AI and humanoid robots

>>16316004
yes, get there before some retards gets there and fucks it up

>>16316002
No they’re fags who deserve a spectacular failure from their hubris. If they actually manage to do a successful landing, and get escaPADE to Mars with a super precise HEO burn I’m afraid I’ll never hear the end of it from “team spacers” I know IRL

>>16315999
Who's going to pay for it? There is no value put to waste. FCC and FAA I think fines couple thousand dollars for not failed sat deorbits. So it's nothing.

>>16315895
Part of my brain keeps saying that this is impossible, that it looks like cheap plastic, that it's just a couple of tubes connected to each other, that there is no way it can do so much with so little, that there has to be a tradeoff somewhere. Yet here we are and WE GAAN.

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1821710229542760858

>>16316013
the tradeoff is more complex manufacturing

Saarliner status?

>>16316013
so.. what you are trying to say is that this is, in fact, insane?

>>16316007
actual muskrat faggot grow up.