/sci/ - Science & Math

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kv2F2l1HB6g

what do we make of Elon's dancing style

>>16268929
https://x.com/esa/status/1809211677105176786

Well Ariane 6 is finally coming along and will launch coming tuesday?

Continuing Martian orbital mirror discussion
https://caseyhandmer.wordpress.com/2022/07/12/how-to-terraform-mars-for-10b-in-10-years/

>>16268934
Who cares? it's a dead rocket flying.

>>16268917
>Saturn Super
How would you stage this beauty?

>>16268940
Seethe it is european century in the space flight

>>16268940
Ariane 5s maiden launch failed, this might very well fail as well
H3 maiden launch failed

>>16268929
For all the youngsters I just want to put it into context: back in like 2005 there was no such thing as cringe, it was cool to be edgy. And dancing like this in the club was the move.

>>16268952
Its a political attack, what else?

>>16268945
I mean as in it's outdated and doomed to die before it even launches.
Who else besides european governments is gonna pay to fly on this thing? Even now it's only that and the ABSX market and the latter will move away from ariane when new glenn starts flying.

>>16268917
What would you listen to while flying on this? Id listen to Niggers in Paris

SPEHS

>>16268955
Even the euro governments would rather fly Falcon 9 if not forced by french lobbying.

So what starliner return date announced today?

>>16268961
was this the largest vapor cone for 50 years?

>>16268981
delayed for 45 more days

>>16268987
Probably the largest ever? Everything Starship does breaks records

https://spacenews.com/regulating-outer-space-after-loper-bright/

Relevant since the Chevron Doctrine was thrown out. Congress needs a new authorization to delegate proper legally and lawful regulatory system to the agencies. One which doesn't stifle innovation but also makes certain it doesn't fall into a a no limit fallacy.

>>16268943
You're just posting gibberish at this point. Go watch more American TV and movies and come back when you understand English.

>>16269001
America needs a practical, moderate and well thought out space policy that involves executing Jeff without a trial, vaporizing every old space company and declaring Elon the king of space.

>>16268955
>Who else besides european governments is gonna pay to fly on this thing?
European companies after they're legally forced to.

>>16269001
Hopefully NEPA is next target.

>>16268987
Idk if that counts, it was mostly unburnt fuel to precool the engines. They light up right after

>>16269003
hon hon hon I see mon supériorité has created certain controverse

>>16268819
Ok, let’s say you melt all the dry ice at the poles. You know that only raises the air pressure up to like 1.6% earth sea level right?
Where do you get the rest of the density needed to hit the Armstrong limit?

>no dragon xl
>no vertical integration falcon heavy
>no extended falcon heavy fairing

>>16269046
>no Red Dragon
>no lunar Dragon flyby
>no land landing of Dragon
>no 7-seater Dragon

>>16268987
why are vapor cones reminiscent of supersonic shock-waves?

>>16269047
>>16269046
>no powerpoint spaceflight

>>16269047
The 3 things I listed have existing contracts

Did someone say Dragonfly?

have you guys heard about the recent 1 X 1 debate?

>>16269056
No

>>16269056
No but now that you mentioned it Cancel Dragonfly not visiting the lakes not going to space

>>16269065
ultragay take

>>16268917
its still on page 9

>>16269030
First off those estimates are based only on whats visible from orbit, theres probably quite a bit more dry ice then we can see, so take that 1.6% as a lower bound rather than a max.
Secondly there are many other gas reservoirs than the poles, for just one example we were talking about perchlorate eating bacteria last thread and as it so happens that process makes pure oxygen as a by product. There is a lot of perchlorates on mars.

>>16269074
No its not theres literally a screenshot at stage shut the fuck up

Nope, not gettin' out of this chair.

>>16269065
this is the way

>>16269085
this is the way of samefagging

>>16269090
Wrong I didnt samefag. Replying here to both for proof >>16269085 >>16269065

>>16269079
I can tell by your use of profanity that you're experiencing emotional distress, but that doesn't change the fact that it was staged early. pic is what you look like

Heres your proof and Im on mobile so I cant inspect element fake it you are officially BTFO

I can't keep track of all these falcon 9 clones
When will we see the first non-spacex orbital booster propulsive land and be used a second time

>>16269105
Time for you to go back to the sharty. I could recognize the awful wojak art from a mile away.

>>16269107
Probably Blue or some random Chinese company in ~2025-2026

>>16268942
With the load shown you'd probably be SSTO

>>16269085
star wars!

>>16269110
This, I'm really interested to see who gets there first, bezos or the chinese.
Place your bets now.

>>16269050
Vapor cones are just vapor cones, on jets the images are often mislabeled as being a supersonic shock wave

>>16269117
Bezos is doing it this September!

>>16269142
He's launching this september, not reusing a booster this september.
Do you remember?

>>16269143
Hey Im paid to shill Blue not to remember details

>>16269083
kek

>>16269145
rampant falseflaggin in this thread

"How can it equal one?" he said. "If one times one equals one that means that two is of no value because one times itself has no effect. One times one equals two because the square root of four is two, so what's the square root of two? Should be one, but we're told it's two, and that cannot be."

>>16269145
The 21st night of September?

>>16269046
>no dragon xl
It's the resupply module for Gateway.

>no vertical integration falcon heavy
SLC-6 at Vandenberg

>no extended falcon heavy fairing
First use is the HALO/PPE launch.

>>16268917
The KitKat bar of space travel.

>>16269158
something something Timecube

>>16269050
go watch the Scott Manley video on vapor cones dude

>>16269102
anybody can do that it doesn't prove shit, retard
>>16269155
yeah this thread is weirdly bad

>>16269083
>Dies at the end of every episode
>still comes back
He'll be fine

>>16269028
Wow, is that the French space station?

P.S. eat shit and die on earth

Starship is an absolute unit.

>>16269222
It may as well be. France was the number one contributor besides Russia

>>16269222
yeah, its a simple cylindrical construction. they call it the Flying Baguette

>>16269230
and I guess that is the current 120m version?

>>16269230
cor, totally jelly of that model collection. i keep meaning to get the saturn V model that has the apollo stack that you can take out and handle etc.

>>16269230
Kino

>>16269230
No shit lol

Why is Artemis 2 not happening this year? Ar1 flew in Dec 2022!
The next mission isn’t until Q4 2025—this is unacceptably slow

>>16269268
Because Lockheed invented a new way to install Avcoat on the Orion heatshield that would save a few weeks worth of time. Another pennywise and pound-foolish decision within Artemis.

>>16269257
we found him. the only member of team space

>>16269257
Nice boat.

>>16269275
He doesn't have any chink rockets in the frame.

>>16268955
They're going to do the same thing that ULA (and before that Boeing/Northrop) did, suckle the government tits. Not exactly ambitious, but it pays the bills

>>16268970
You know US government have to use US rockets by law right? Europe doesn't even have this law right now. IIRC, back then Arianespace even floated the idea of doing an "americanized" Ariane 5 to get this market.

>>16269230
Is that Ares I behind the shuttle? Looks like pure garbage

>>16269289
ESA should design a SX Super Heavy inspired reusable booster and offer it as some sort of “block 3 SLS” first stage to NASA. It could then be a partial ESA thing and they could launch it from french guiana. Orion, SUSIE, you could use A6’s second stage or EUS

>>16269311
ESA should just stop giving a fuck and drop spent stages on Russia + China.

>>16269230
>redditor manlet playing with legos
Go back

>>16269201
Nigger please I just forgot to attach picrel to >>16269106

>>16269314
A friendly reminder that the EU has plently of good easterly launch locations, they just aren't on the land of the decision makers.

>>16269349
Imagine trying to build a launch site in Spain. It would unironically take 200 years to complete

Nuclear reece's puffs in spaceflight when?

>>16269354
1990

It's UP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMKzPs7Uk60

>>16269402
Pity they didn't show the reignition of the booster's engines, those ground tracking views are always cool.

I miss this meme machine like u wouldnt believe bros

>>16269405
It hurts my head how fast the booster flips. Every time it's happened, I assume it's going to fucking snap in half.

>>16269406
Fuck off

>>16269408
IFT-1 highlighted just how ridiculously durable that launch system is, let alone IFT-4.

https://youtu.be/DWJpCgFrFhU

>>16269420
That doesn't look like pic related

>>16269426

>>16269412
did they ever have any issues with pogoing or did booster just not give a fuck about that weak-rocket crap?

>>16269424
what you posted isnt a starship

srb flames are so ugly

>>16269432
pogoing and such is a solveable problem, especially with modern CAD

>>16269435
Categorically incorrect. There is nothing sexier than a fat PLOOOM

>>16269432
I'm not entirely sure, but I think the harmonic oscillations that cause pogo might be harder to realize with so many separate engines.

>>16269434
Another Starship video, you say? Well, alright then

>>16269441
yeah good point. i seem to recall that its usually caused by propellant flow through large bore pipes, or something like that. been a while since i read about that stuff.

>the flaps have control of the vehicle
Why does this still make me tear up?

>>16269443
pretty, though shiny particules are bad news when you're using a non-ablative heatshield

speaking of reentry in general, NASA, various universities and SpaceX itself are probably interested in getting more experimental data, so that their models stop being so shitty (see the reentering dragon trunks and the ISS battery pack)

>>16269478
It's not great, but erosion is a pretty common characteristic of heat shield tiles, which added to the maintenance burden of the space shuttles. Fortunately, SpaceX has the means, motivation, self-interest, and budgeting authority to keep developing and refining the tiles.

>Well give you 15 grand to do r&d for us
Isnt this kinda pathetic? 15 grand is basically 1 cent to any us gov budget

>>16269426
>>16269430
Everything about that rocket is just so wrong. Designed in a spreadsheet.

>>16269476
The flaps can increase the drag on that part of the vehicle, so you can orient it correctly as it falls through the atmosphere (shield side down)

>>16269481
Yeah I don't doubt they will get better.

>>16269352
What about Gibraltar

>>16269478
die, french garbage

France has no part in space, like France has no future.
Troll somewhere else, fagguette.

>>16269506
Are you suggesting a British space program?

>>16269506
what about Cueta?

>>16269529
Man I'm so disappointed the brits cancelled their space program, they actually had unique ideas about how to do it. We could've gotten some cool rockets out if it.

>>16269538
i think they preferred socialism instead.

>>16269349
Mediterranean launch sites were considered back in the seventies and were quickly rejected in favor of locations like the undeveloped jungles of French Guiana or politically stable eastern African nations like Kenya or Somalia. The Med is just too crowded in terms of shipping traffic and bureaucratic fiefdoms for launch permitting to work as a responsive process.

European regulatorism does not stop at the shore.

>>16269513
?

>>16269546
it's the same retard troll as earlier
also "particule" is French, not English

>>16269482
>Detailed demos
pics?

>>16269506
>implying Britain is more functional than Spain
lmao

>A desert moss could be the key to terraforming Mars, according to a recent study published by Chinese scientists.

>Due to its extraordinary resilience, Syntrichia caninervis (S. caninervis), a moss found in extreme desert environments from Tibet to Antarctica, has been touted a "pioneer plant" for establishing a livable environment on Mars. Basically, scientists believe this plant could enrich the planet's rocky surface to enable the growth of other plants.

A few studies have explored alternative possibilities of these terraforming seeds, such as algae and lichens. "However, plants such as mosses offer key benefits for terraforming, including stress tolerance, a high capacity for photoautotrophic growth, and the potential to produce substantial amounts of biomass under challenging conditions," the new study's team wrote in the paper.

>Mosses are believed to have been the first true land plants on Earth. As such, they developed a tolerance to extreme stress that allowed them to survive in our planet's very harsh early environment.

>>16269561
>terraforming
>chinese scientists
Dropped. Go back to >>>/lit/sffg

>>16269558
>the Br*tish: Let's give up our space program because why not
embarrassing

>>16269542
>politically stable eastern African nations like,,, Somalia
lol what but were the Canary Islands considered?

Easy to give mars an atmosphere, just build a giant solar mirror concentrator death ray in orbit, a bunch even, melt the poles and then slag giant molten craters to release CO2 and whatever other shit is trapped in the rocks that can be gassified with enough heat to dissociate bonds, could target some aquifers which are close to the surface too. You won't be able to breathe it but who gives a shit so long as you can go outside without a suit.

>>16269542
could launch in mauritania east over the desert

or just north over the north atlantic

or stop being pussies crying about muh rockets might kill someone

>>16269561
even on Earth lichen grow in conditions that are too shitty for moss
apparently they can even survive hard vacuum
my money is on lichen

>>16269567
>>16268935

>>16269565
>Canary Islands
Going to an polar orbit you'd be dropping hyperbolic Ariane 1 stages on Mauritania and Senegal. Going to an equatorial orbit you'd be dropping them on Algeria and Lybia, and this was back in the days when Libya and ballistic missiles was a serious issue. That said, I'm pretty sure the Canaries was on a list at some point, even if it wasn't ever near the top.

>>16269571
Mauritania wasn't the worst place in Africa during the 1970s, but in 1978 President Moktar Ould Daddah, the French backed post-colonial dictator, was ousted in a coup and the country passed through a series of military juntas. Even if dropping stages in the desert was considered acceptable it just wasn't stable enough for a major European project like the Ariane 1. Besides, the launch market back then was focused on geostationary payloads and Europe was looking for something as equatorial as possible to maximize their competitiveness.

Reminder if you defend this your a filthy wumao.
>in before whataboutism

>>16269565
which will have a manned space program first, the EU or African Union?

>>16269590
EU is going to be part of africa soon by the rate the natives are getting replaced at.
So even if the EU is first, africa still wins.

>>16269589
I wholeheartedly support dropping rockets on earthers
Total earther death

>>16269590
Oceania

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_space_in_Africa
>one astronaut in orbit (Mark Shuttleworth)
lol, lmao even

Jared Isaacman thought Polaris Dawn should be multiple missions at first because there are so many different test they are doing, but when he talked to Musk, Musk said to just do all of them in one mission

>>16269590
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_Space_Agency
all it's missing is some Tusken Raiders

https://spacenews.com/foust-forward-whos-afraid-of-the-big-bad-starship/
>SpaceX’s Starship launch vehicle elicits strong opinions. Take, for example, Toni Tolker-Nielsen, ESA’s director of space transportation. Asked in a SpaceNews interview about how Starship might affect Europe’s Ariane 6, he was dismissive. “Honestly, I don’t think Starship will be a game-changer or a real competitor,” he said, concluding that Starship was oversized for the types of satellites that would fly on Ariane 6. “Starship will not eradicate Ariane 6 at all.”
>“How are we differentiated? Well, Falcon and Starship are rockets optimized for LEO operations,” said Tory Bruno, CEO of ULA, in a call with reporters June 26 about plans for his company’s second Vulcan launch. He argued Vulcan was optimized for high-energy missions. “We’re competing quite well.”
>“I caution against saying they still have a long way to go because every time we’ve made that mistake in the past, they will be there. They will be ready. It will work,” said Arianespace’s Rutgers of SpaceX’s Starship development, acknowledging that his company and others dismissed SpaceX in the past. “I caution against hubris, so we have to constantly improve ourselves.”

some cope commentary about Starship but one person from Arianespace being more realistic

>>16269606
>Starship will not eradicate Ariane 6 at all
That's only because F9 did that job already.

>>16269495
thanks chat GPT, he didn't need an explanation for what the flaps do, he's asking why they made him emotional

>>16269542
just drop rockets into the Sahara

>>16269606
>Honestly, I don’t think Starship will be a game-changer or a real competitor

They are funny aren't they

What vehicle are these thrusters for? The new station?

>>16269595
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_space_in_Africa
shieeet

https://payloadspace.com/q2-charts-defining-the-space-industry-payload-research/

>>16269615
>There were 63 total global launches in Q2 2024, a 40% YoY increase. The usual suspects, SpaceX and China, are once again leading the charge.

aww fuck

>>16269616
>SpaceX launched 36 Falcon missions in Q2 2024, bringing the total for the first half of the year to 67 flights.

>>16269617
It's over

>>16269606
>>16269608
>>16269611
They're hoping that SpaceX will not manage to repeat its success in booster reuse with Starship's two critical technologies: low cost ship reuse, and orbital refueling. The unspoken reality is that they don't have the business plan, cash flows, cash reserves, or investors to justify trying to develop a plan for it.

>>16269617
remember that storms are rightfisted. The surge probably won't hit Boca. They might get a lot of rain tho'.
And I'm a bit concerned about Corpus Christi.

https://x.com/torybruno/status/1806296399882994168

didn't see discussion about this but apparently Bruno was whining about the plans on twitter
I know there was discussion about BO a bit

https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/07/theres-not-enough-room-for-starship-at-cape-canaveral-spacex-rivals-claim/

>>16269610
just drop rockets onto Subsaharan (black) africa

>>16269597
what's that say?

>>16269625

>>16269617
There's no chance if this happening

>>16269614
It was a Chinese satellite paid for by Nigerians. Truly a stunning technological achievement for Africa (They managed to pay the bill, which requires at least a primitive understanding of money).
>NigComSat-1 was a Nigerian communication satellite. The initial contract to build the satellite was signed in 2004. It was launched in China by Nasrda and became the third African geosynchronous communication satellite, when it was launched at 16:01 UTC on 13 May 2007, aboard a Chinese Long March 3B carrier rocket, from the Xichang Satellite Launch Centre in China. The spacecraft was operated by Nigerian Communications Satellite Ltd (NIGCOMSAT). On November 11, 2008, NigComSat-1 failed in orbit after running out of power due to an anomaly in its solar array.

>>16269625
>During the squabble over LC-39A more than a decade ago, Musk presciently told Space News that if Blue Origin showed up with a crew spacecraft that could dock with the space station within five years, SpaceX would gladly accommodate them. "Frankly, I think we are more likely to discover unicorns dancing in the flame duct," Musk said.

lmao

https://spacenews.com/37389musk-calls-out-blue-origin-ula-for-phony-blocking-tactic-on-shuttle-pad/

>>16269627
Launch them from Subsaharan (black) africa

>>16269620
>it's over
the drought? yep

>>16269628
Do Not Remove
I?????ted Tile
I can't tell either

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhJRzQsLZGg

the upcoming storm seems to have shut everything down

>>16269597
>>16269628
Instrumented Tile, I think

>>16269640
it definitely says "instrumented tile"
they put temperature sensors in a few of them

>>16269614
Oh my God, there's even a Stephen Clark (discount Berger) article on the nigsat:
https://spaceflightnow.com/news/n1112/18longmarch/
https://archive . is/8chTu

https://spacenews.com/kazakhstan-joins-chinas-ilrs-moon-base-program/
> Kazakhstan joins China’s ILRS moon base program

>>16269645
as expected from the meeting earlier this week

>>16269644
read the fucking comments
I'm dying

>>16269633
Chinks gave them a replacement and its still working

>>16269641
>leaving scaffolding up during the storm
seems risky af

>>16269647
I'm not sure if I should be surprised that they announced it so soon, or that they didn't announce it back on Wednesday with everything else

>>16269650
Africa doesn't have the best luck with purchased geostationary comsats. Angola went through the same thing buying Angosat 1 from Russia.

>>16269614
>>16269649

>>16268917
new card, what do you think?

Well, Muskrats? Why didn't he think of it?

>>16269662
why does the rocket need a foreskin?

>>16269662
You'd lose a lot of performance. First you need to keep the weight of the fairings all the way to orbit instead of dropping them around the 200s mark, then you need to make them a lot heavier by adding an orbital-grade TPS. You could do it but you'd lose way too much payload to make it worth the effort.

>>16269665
Because foreskin is great

>>16269650
>NigComSat
That's up there with ScatSat.

>>16269695
The poos launched a satellite?

>>16269698
they launch quite a lot of stuff in fact

>>16269663
Woah
Very nice

>>16268917
why do space related threads on sci outside of sfg suck so much?

>>16269695
>Skabadabadabadoobelidabbelydabbladabbladabblababbelibabbelibabbelibabbelabbelodoobelidoo
>I’m the ScatSat

>>16269705
They get fed garbage and don't know what's what. It's not limited to sfg and space, but to all domains and their hobby groups.

>>16269663
That's great, now let's see the numbers on performance. It's gonna get utterly MOGGED by solar panels.

starbase is gonna get REKT by TOTAL ROCKET GENOCIDE HURRICANE BERYL. It's so over for SpaceX, they're gonna be held back 2 months.

Starchica has been spared the brunt of the storm

>>16269567
And if you want nitrogen, import an assload of ammonia from the outer solar system. It will dissociate into N and H in the order of weeks, and the H will be lost into space.

>>16269710
>It's gonna get utterly MOGGED by solar panels.

no moving parts.

PV's have to get replaced every 20-30 years.

mine can run for centuries.

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1809381756199661879

2x two more weeks

>>16269721
So second of august?

>>16269717
>mine can run for centuries
not with stirling engines lol. Fluids in the thermosyphon will need replacement too
>PV's have to get replaced every 20-30 years.
yes and? In 20-30 years solar panels will have improved. It will make sense to replace them. Your working temperature difference will be SHIT and thermocouples are SHIT. You may need 20-30 years just to break even on embodied energy. This idea is SHIT.

Add two weeks to the two weeks you were already waiting for

>>16269721
yes

>>16269731
You know what happens after two weeks. Another two weeks starts.

>>16269729
>Fluids in the thermosyphon will need replacement too

Fluids = air (orange)

>In 20-30 years solar panels will have improved.

and mine will still be working.

>Your working temperature difference will be SHIT and thermocouples are SHIT.

pretty easy to maintain though.

>>16269721
How are we tracking on the delay between launches halving each time?

>>16269721
TWO PLUS TWO WEEKS

>>16269721
Shit I wanted to post that

>>16269739
~60 days down from 80-90 days previously

>>16269736
>air
good fucking luck making a practical thermosyphon with fucking air.
>and mine will still be working.
generating about as much power as a potato battery. It'd be more valuable to scrap it than to keep it running. Show your math that this can generate any significant amounts of power at all you reddit-spacing midwit tripfag

>>16269698

>>16269705
because /sfg/ regulars are naturally cross-boarders, rather than being /sci/zos from the rest of the board

two more sets of two weeks
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1809381756199661879

>>16269721
2^2 weeks

>>16269763
This is false by the way.

>>16269773
>>16269763
The first part is false about being crossboarders the second is true. By the way if youre crossboarder scum you arent welcome. Use /sfg/ exclusively or shut up about being a 'regular'

>>16269625
The ULA whining about a monopoly. Imagine showing this to someone in 2011

>>16269721
we been knew it was early aug

>>16269774
"crossboarder" meaning "only visits /sci/ for /sfg/"
The only time I even see the catalog is when we get a new thread, because I'd rather start a new fresh tab.

>>16269721
4 weeks elon time. Probably 4 weeks and a few days to roughly 5 weeks in reality.

looks like geryl isn't going 100 miles south.

>>16269230
>white ET on the shuttle
based

>>16269752
>practical

by what standard?

>>16269752
>Show your math that this can generate any significant amounts of power at all you reddit-spacing midwit tripfag

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_thermal_collector#Heating_water

Tory is complaining about a monopoly when ULA did its best to have a monopoly on Air Force launches lmao

View from the booster after splashdown apparently
>https://x.com/bocasbrain/status/1809390911782367455?s=46

>>16269752
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pq8xDXkbXZs

>>16269835
fake and gay

>>16269774
retard

>>16269835
that's a muffin

Since /sfg/ is apparently a meteorology thread now

https://x.com/MattDevittWX/status/1809399256849264753
>Beryl's potential landfall has shifted nearly *250 miles up the coast in just 24 hours* according to the latest consensus models (pink). Consequently, it'll spend more time over the warm water of the Gulf of Mexico. Impacts from Beryl are trending upward for the Houston/Galveston area as it approaches the Texas coast as a projected hurricane. To what degree? We'll know more on Saturday.

SpaceX has deflected the hurricane.

>>16269856
Eric Berger lives a double life as a weatherman
>https://www.wired.com/story/unlikely-hero-who-predicted-hurricane-harvey-floods/

>>16269836
>>16269828
>>16269824
Kill yourself tripnigger

>>16269835
Why would the fireball be so uniform?

>>16269856
Jeff Bezos, Bill Gates and the communist chinese are using their weather machines to stop SpaceX.

>>16269612
what propellant is making it that color? Looks like powerade

>>16269668
so just make the rocket bigger. It's worth it if you're recovering everything

>>16269863
is that literally the best you got?

>>16269890
Kill yourself tripnigger

>>16269893
ill take that as a yes.

>>16269774
Shut up fag. you don't make the rules.

>>16269612
>>16269878
This claims they're working on methalox thrusters.
https://www.ansys.com/blog/axiom-space-is-using-ansys-simulations

>>16269890
>>16269902
kill yourself, tripnigger

>didn't even notice the trip nigger because 4chan-x filtered him and all others for me
feels good lul

>>16269915
I should filter him so I literally can't see his posts but then I won't be able to report him when he inevitably breaks the rules

>>16269913
>Lamest insult ever.

>>16269406
>that engine clench

>>16269662
This whole underside of the fairing would still be exposed. I don't know how it would handle reentry with the extra weight of the second stage. Also the heatshield would be much more complex and delicate than heatshields usually are. In the video it clips through both the top of the stage and the engine.

Theories on why the hurricane is suddenly avoiding Boca Chica?
>Chinese weapons test gone wrong
>Starliner secretly crashed, Boeing used their weather machine to destroy the wreck near Houston and coverup
>Beryl has family in a leper colony off the coast and is coming to visit
>John Madden used the controls at his secret moon retirement home to alter the tidal waves

>>16269933
Real recognize real

>>16269828
I said show YOUR MATH. Did I fucking say wikipedia's math? NO! Did I say a youtuber's math. NO! I said YOUR MATH!
>>16269824
>>16269836
I don't see a single fucking number midwit

>>16269933
no FAA approval

>>16269933
starlink is a stronger HARP

>>16269921

>>16269230
a bit wonky

>>16269933
Berger’s second law: anytime he says “scattered showers” for houston, it really means some sort of life-threatening storm

>>16269721
August 15

>>16269882
Good idea!

>>16269933
This lil nigga too powerful

>>16269933
Musk has actual divine guidance and protection, that's why

Does spinning fast do anything special on reentry?

>>16270023
Makes the debris field a little bigger

>>16269949
just like the real thing

>>16269573
Lichen is also sensitive to air quality so the sandstorms on Mars may be a problem.

>>16270023
It's a good trick!

>>16270054
Anakin pls

>>16269933
The CIA

>>16269239
might need to remove ceiling panel for the longer one

>>16269555
I want detailed demos with the asian ladies in second place.
It's a scientific interest.

bros???

>>16270029
That's a really cool photo

>watching asmongold
>he doesnt know humans are going back to the moon
if some nerd who lives on the internet 12 hours a day doesnt know something so basic then how can we expect the average normie? do the norms even know about spacex? that china has sent people to space? that we're very close to colonizing another planet?

>>16269482
I know 15k is not a lot of money, to work with, but I love how this exemplifies the different flavours of terrible R&D
>the rocket surgeon has (presumably) barely working prototype niggerrigged from literal garbage only the inventer knows how to operate
>spuds team has some basic drawing that they will keep refining in academia for 20 years and write 30 different student studies but never actually do anything with it
>Designer wistfully looking to the side has a 3D render concept of fashionable bicycle shorts with a tube coming from it (how it works is left to engineers to figure out)

>>16270072
zoob wtf

>>16270084
>that we're very close to colonizing another planet?
I'm way too cynical to believe it, I have seen this topic coming and going since the 80s with a lot of empty promises and wild ideas and projects that at first glance look like they are going to put humanity to even the Kuiper Belt and several generations later there is still little political or economical will to actually commit people to it.

Yes, reusable rockets have cheapened putting things in orbit but there is a difference between launching small payloads, still near our atmosphere, and setting up a whole Lunar colony.

>>16270084
No. Many normalfags just do not care.

>>16270084
>that we're very close to colonizing another planet?
We aren't, but that depends also on what you mean by close and colonizing.

They're stranded

>no FH extended fairing

>>16270084
Love me some asmongold

We will never colonize Lunar. At most we will have research stations set up there when we get reusable rockets. Maybe in the future it will act as a relay to Mars.

>>16270161
Starmoon will be colonized

>>16270161
>Maybe in the future it will act as a relay to Mars.
Outed yourself as a newfag immediately

lunar railguns lobbing boulders at m*rs

>>16270161
>Lunar

>>16270177
That is the correct name for the moon of Terra, yes.

>>16270179
N I G G

>>16270179
It's Luna you troglodyte

>>16270179
I should bait in these threads more often

>>16270179
>the moon of Terror
ftfy

>>16270187
lmao

>>16270179
Terra has no moon

>>16269022
whats this, when did it happen? Is this launch 4 somehow filmed from a boat?

>>16269542
>European regulatorism does not stop at the shore.
Greatest issue with Europe is the only thing the innovate in is regulations.

>>16269663
Very dependant on proximity to sun. How hot does a black body get at earth's orbit? That gives you your hotside temperature, Carnot theorem limits power enormously.

Way to get around this is to add mirrors. Concentrate the solar rays down to a much smaller thermal collector and you'll increase the BB temperature. You could even angle the mirrors via servo to get some degree of control over heating.

>>16269736
>>Your working temperature difference will be SHIT and thermocouples are SHIT.
Concentrating lightwieght milar mirrors

>>16270218
>he still thinks mirrors are real

Project Lyra, a mission to catch up to 2017U1, the first known interstellar object to pass through our solar system, will use an Oberth manuever to accelerate a craft to >50km/s, however, there will be a ~17km/s difference during approach that will make a potential landing on the object impossible. Can the great minds of /sfg/ devise a way that the great minds of JPL etc couldn't?

>>16270227
Lithobreaking to zero out velocity

>>16270227
scrape fast radio bursts for numanuma API keys and command a braking burn

>>16270227
A parachute to create drag and slow the craft down.

>>16270206
Nah it's video from some buoy, I guess they either put some in the area they were targeting or there was already some there for whatever reason.

why does this ULA shark keep biting people off of south padre

>>16270227

What do I think of the latest spaceflight slop?

Starship is a dumb name. They should’ve stuck with BFR

>>16270259
yup

>>16270236
you are worthy to join these two

>>16269663
What's driving the fluid flow?
Using air to transfer heat seems massively suboptimal.
If you're using a thermocouple why do you need a fluid to transfer heat at all?

>>16269828
Fucking retard. Learn to recognize when you're wrong or just end it.

>>16270023
If a spacecraft achieves sufficiently high angular velocity on reentry the crew will be killed.

>>16270072
Don't get it twisted. He's only following this because it's his alt account.

>>16270161
Elon has suggested building Moon Base Alpha. His crazy ideas are more likely to be realized than the plans of global superpowers.

>>16269663
Fucking retarded.
Is this in space? Then your thermosiphon won't work unless you're spinning it, in which case how is it staying pointed at the sun? It's definitely not being actively pointed at the sun because your shitbox doesn't have any moving parts.
If it's on earth you should just use the ground as a heat sink.

>>16270218
>no moving parts
>concentrating mirrors
how does it maintain a constant angle to the sun?

>They continue to reply to the tripfaggot

>>16270279
>Elon will bring us John Madden
Future is bright

I used to hate Elon but he is the only one pushing humanity forward.

>>16270315
hate him for what? faggot

>>16270320
For being a kike faggot, niggerfaggot.

>>16270320
having sex

>>16270322
something he has to do to get the jews off his back
whether you believe in some conspiracy or not, they are a very influential minority in the US and worldwide

>>16270322
Was that a humiliation ritual?

>>16270328
Doesn't matter. He still bent the knee to them, as the west has done for the past 70 years.

The thought of a future human space civilisation where Jews haven't been totally eradicated makes me shudder.

>>16270322
Go back to >>>/pol/ retard

Poland can into space
https://youtu.be/4bySNlqMwss

>>16270332
You should go back to R3ddit.

>>16270333
What is behind that door?

>>16270331
he isn't powerful enough to ignore them (yet) and it would require a more general cultural shift to stop treating them as some oppressed minority group (or treating minority groups in a special way in general)

>>16270337
the rest of the building visible in the background when it's not wheeled out of the way for the launch

>>16270337
Andoya is such a beautiful launch site, wish it was used more.
>>16270349
Oh, right, lol.
Thanks

>>16270349
so silly

>>16270227
17 km/s isn't actually that hard to get with a decent ion drive. An 8000s isp engine could get that sort of performance with a mass ratio of less that 2. The only problem is that when you're 180+ AU out into the abyss nuclear is your only real option for power and that puts a fairly large minimum size on your spacecraft. Project Lyra itself is even worse because a lot of that speed is coming from the mother of all Oberth maneuvers, which requires its own propellant as well as the sturdiest thermal protection system ever designed, neither of which are going to be very light. I've seen a few proposals for sundiving probes that used a discarding heat shield on the way in and a solar sail for acceleration on the way out, but if you're carrying a reactor that's not going to be a viable option.

>>16270072
kek

>>16270227
BNTP with water propellant and a Horizon Drive for the electric cycle.

Orbotal flight test 5
august 15

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3dw9QuWK5w
>Starbase Weekly, Ep.123: Boca Chica Tower B Ready To Stack!

Countries buying flights from Axiom for clout is the microwave food equivalent of a space program

>>16270442
UAE's space probe was built by Pajeets and Americans, what would that be?

>>16270072
based zubby

>>16270361
Project Lyra is baselined around Atlas V and other similar rockets. Baseline it around an in-orbit assembled stack based on Starship and the mission's C3 becomes absolutely silly.

> I believe him. I have been taking a robotaxi to the local hyperloop to the space port so i can take a quick hop in starship to london for a pint and back. All because of him and his dreams.

How long until this is possible?

Hey guys, so anything exciting happening?

>>16270474
RGV live is looking at rusty pipes

>>16270474
Starbase is halted for the hurricane

>>16270443
Orbital doordash.

>>16270477

so why they didn't build a trench for the 1st tower again?

>>16270488
not 100% sure about this but I remember hearing something about additional EPA shit if they did that
so would have taken more time
why didn't they put the steel plate before IFT-1? because it would have slowed them down, the concrete would have to be removed anyway for more piles and they didn't think it would have been destroyed this fully, but turns out it wasn't really that big of a deal (maybe lost on time on some more EPA or FAA shit but who knows

>>16270488
A trench adds more surfaces that need upkeep against rocket impingement. A strictly open pad has no surfaces to maintain. A strictly open pad is in conflict with the reality that there are things around the pad that are not going to have a good time dealing with the flame plume, so it's better to have a surface whose specific purpose is only dealing with the flame plume.

>>16270474
Launch in 2 weeks, Elon going to prison, Kamala is president
Bankruptcy soon

>>16270488
They tried to, but environmental delays would have added months of delay, so they launched without it. Failing that, they create a water cooling solution. And now, doing trenches. I think they're trying to see which one is more viable with A/B for trench vs water cooler

https://x.com/Erdayastronaut/status/1809642108216652001

>>16270507
water cooled trench

>>16270509
https://www.myfaceinspace.com/

>>16270513
>soifaceinspace
Makes you hope there is no other life in the universe, in case they'll die out of vicarious embarrassment from what we leave behind.

>>16270518

>>16270511
the masseys static fire pad has a partially water cooled trench

>>16270084
clip or stream link to when he said that?

https://x.com/Ringwatchers/status/1809595603879375242

https://ringwatchers.com/article/prop-dist-29v33
>Cleaning up the Design: Comparing Super Heavy's Propellant Distribution Systems

>>16270551

>>16269625
>t-they're not outcompeting us look at this chart!
>NOOOOO THEY'RE OUTCOMPETING US THIS IS A MONOPOLY, ENVIROTARDS PLEASE HALP!
i have seriously lost all respect for this snake over the past 2 years, constant blatant lying from a person who very clearly has the engineering knowledge to know better.

>>16270479
that's where they keep the slaves who have to manually push waterpumps for the deluge system.

>>16270467
hyperloop will never be real on Earth probably

>>16270521
>we'll put your face on our screensaver
bruh

>>16270585
as much as i would never bother with it, it's genius because they're playing into the reality that most normies are hilariously vane and superficial and would absolutely pay for something completely meaningless like this.

>>16270592
I was thinking about it and would have submitted a picture of my Cirno fumofumo

>>16269625
The last sentence does not at all follow from the first 3 lmao. Lobby Congress to do away with exclusion zones and EPA rules you faggot snake, Tory. Hell, have them change the laws to fly overland and your poor little ears won't hurt ever again

>>16269634
>11 years later and Boeing's capsule has launched crew once and they're currently stuck on the station
>Atlas V is also dead because of political climate

>>16270563
If they are complaining about 40 Starship launches a year, I have some bad news for them...

>>16270594
that's not a bad idea honestly.
i don't like having my picture taken regardless, but sending a fumo face up there, even in image form, mite b good.

>>16270551
All these feel like itar sensitive information

Put me in coach I'm ready

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hAnjrKxQEA
>Artemis II core stage construction began in 2017
I didn't think that it was possible to hate SLS more than I already did. I was wrong.

>>16270084
asmongold is a troglodyte that doesn't go outside and doesn't take care of himself. Not exactly a good representation of a normal person

Imagine the gall of Space X. They're trying to launch rockets from a launch complex.

>>16270620
There she is

>>16270622
Is he /ourguy/?

>>16270467
Prob won't for another 15 years.

>>16270624
also his name is ass mongoloid

>>16270084
Baldy ain't normal

>>16270603
I don't think the plumbing is ITAR sensitive but the sensors, pumps and cooling probably is

>>16270729
It's all a certain series of plumbing that runs afoul of ITAR. The only reason its out in public is because public analysis from public space imagery. This is absolutely helping other companies and countries develop rockets.

>>16270551
>rapid interation
>15 years into design

>>16270603
>>16270729
ITAR isn't the ring watcher autists' problem

It's a problem for the retards that is leaving shit out in an aera where there are known photographers literally everywhere

>>16270084
>do the norms even know about spacex?

no. often they don't even know the first thing, I'm not exaggerating. It feels like bringing up the space shuttle or the ISS and the person you're talking to only knows about the moon landing.

Hello guys does someone know which board has the Christianity general? I need to ask those guys something and if I don't get to I'll have to post my off-topic shit here.

>>16270729
AAAAAAAAA I'm a sucker for pump and really need to know what they look like
REEEEEEEEEEEE

picrel is rare type of pump

>>16270749
Raptor has legit been than long in development apparently

>>16270757
>only knows about the moon landing.
lol they don't.
i know more about apollo than every boomer i talk to who was there to witness it.
engineering is just a pretty niche interest most people don't care and most aren't intelligent enough to understand

>>16270768
it is also the most important part.
it needs to have incredibly insane thrust for nozzle area otherwise you're back to zero payload and building a carbon fiber meme booster

>>16270766
/his/

>>16270775
I can't fucking find it

>>16270777
It doesn't exist.
4chan is a small website and most of it is garbage, most generals aren't as consistent as this one either.

>>16270781
it's over

>>16270783
>>16270786
>in 10 years there will be rows of these in flawda, launching every few hours
we aint ready

>>16270788
Total homeowner death

>>16270789
What if in 10 years dramatic sealevel rise floods Cape Canaveral?

>>16270788
>in flawda
>launching every few hours
Every F9 launching there is very loud already.
There is zero chance the nimbyists are going to put up with it.
The sea launch platforms are going to be necessary.

>>16270790
They will just build a giant wall around the whole state. There are too many rich people and too many trillions of dollars in real estate and assets to just let it be destroyed

>>16270789
Florida is going to depopulate anyway in the next few decades with ever rising number of superstorms and the fact that the entire peninsula is sinking in to the ocean.

>>16270796
they can be like Netherlands

>>16270796
Lol, this is the US, even if it's possible economicaly and technicaly to build deltaworks like that, it will never happen because of corruption&nepotism.
Take the commiefornia high speed rail project for example, that project is so far behind, so far over budget, in lawsuit with every other nutjob&greenfag group&etc... that most people who work on the project are already saying they will never see it complete in their lifetime.
And that's just a fucking railroad.
Now compare that to building dams&etc.. on the entire coastline of florida.

>>16270797
>rising number of superstorms
Yeah I dunno why you would live somewhere that gets absolutely devastated at least once a decade
>entire peninsula is sinking in to the ocean
Nothingburger. They're talking about a few cm. Currently it has risen not at all.
10 meters would still be fine which is not happening the next hundreds of years.

>>16270803
>Nothingburger. They're talking about a few cm. Currently it has risen not at all.
>10 meters would still be fine which is not happening the next hundreds of years.
Not talking about the ocean rising, talking about the sinkholes all over the place.

>>16270805
Ah just dredge up sand from the ocean and put it in the hole.
It is that easy in sinkholefillery

Does Netherlands need to pump all the rainwater back into the sea

Would the instruments we've had on Mars have discovered if it had huge Methane stores like the Earth has?

>>16270809
Yes, the netherlands has a shitload of pumps all over the coast, and a lot of areas to store freshwater when it's hightide.

>>16270813
Perseverance' dowsing rods can only detect water

>>16270807
Yes, and no.
I'm going to be a dick here to make a example.
Where are you going to take that sand from, are you going to destroy a area in the sea to take that sand?
Green&wildlife organizations will start a shitload of lawsuits against you for trying to get that sand.
Or what about the sand shortage problem because of concrete demands?
Should that sand not be better used for the US concrete industry then filling up some hole?

>>16270819
>>16270807
there is a simple solution. give florida to the swampkrauts, we will force you to speak our awful language, and we will launch andre kuipers on from the starship pad being built near LC-39A, he will go to Europe (the moon) and polder it.

and then we will save your state and stop it from flooding, we'll even make it 20% bigger as a bonus.

>>16270813
Hydrocarbons would be a lot less useful on mars though cause you need to still electrolyze water to get oxygen.

>>16270819
Aren't dykes made of clay anyway? Sand is very water permeable. Hopefully Florida has some clay.

>>16270813
>>16270832
this, plus you get some heat back by converting the hydrogen (that you get anyway from water) into methane

>>16270834
only the outer layer needs to be made of clay, topped with a thick layer of grass, the core can all be sand, and the part closer to sealevel should be rough rocks to break waves.
though for the parts of your coast that see the most wave action, if you really wanna future proof it, you might want something like picrel.

>>16270828
kek
I support this. replace their poptards with stroopwaffeln
>>16270834
quite a bit of the NL coast is concrete dams. still need a lot of sand for that as aggregate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeeland
https://watersnoodmuseum.nl/

I visited zeeland a couple of years ago and went to the museum they build out of ww2 D day pontoons.
There you will see that building dams is not that easy and it was already a massive project for a small nation like holland.
I dont see the US doing the same for the entire florida coastline.
It was also funny to find out that a lot of land reclaiming in holland was done by lifestock shitting all over the place and raising the ground level that way.

>>16270849
>it was already a massive project for a small nation like holland
yeah, in the 17th century. we've learned a thing or two about infrastructure projects since then.

Interesting I was just thinking how easy it is in dykery. I mean when you do the math each floridaman would essentially have to pay for only 0.1 meters of dam which really isn't a lot.

What radius around a Starship launch at the edge of which it is as loud as an airliner from the ground?
Are there a lot of places like that?
Cause then I'm a overland launch shill from now on.

>>16270858
As loud as an airliner at cruising altitude while you're on the ground

>>16270849
how come the excuse literally every time the US doesn't have something a smaller nation does have is "oh well it's because we're too big see".
The US has more than enough money, knowhow, people and industry to protect florida in the same way the netherlands did.