/sci/ - Science & Math

GOOD JOB, BOZO

>>16244898
>here's what's at stake
Umn.... their lives?

BOOSTBACK (other thread made and staged first)

>>16244897
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>>16244937
fuck you.

What's the backup plan if shartship can't be made safe?

>>16244898
Meanwhile Starship can't and won't get human-rated at all. SpaceX is cooked and Muskrats can only cope at this point.

>>16244898
So is the problem h1b jeets in their space engineering division like it is with their aircraft?

>>16246481
Hitchhiking on Chinese rockets

>>16246581
That might be an ITAR violation.

I don’t get the hype behind Stoke, or any other space startup for that matter. What’s stopping SpaceX from coming out with a reusable second stage on the Falcon 9?

>>16246643
Falcon 9 was determined not to have enough performance margin to make the upper stage reusable. Stoke figured that they can make their second stage into a capsule and think they can get decent recovery margin that way.

>>16246665
What do you mean by performance margin?

>>16246582
What kind of heat shield and rocket would be needed to do an emergency parachute jump from the space station? Could it all be cobbled together using parts available on Boeing's Shartliner?

>>16244937
oops didn't see that. looks like they were just 18 seconds apart, even got consecutive post numbers. is that a record?

>>16246779
Extra payload capacity that they can put towards stage recovery instead.

>>16246577
can't wait until the starship HLS touches down on the moon and phil ronnie mcnutt's himself live on youtube
or would he keep huffing the copium until it reaches mars? surely after that he'll have to evacuate his skull via high powered projectile, simply out of embarrassment alone.

>>16246789
On post per 18 seconds. This board is finished.

>>16244898
>The helium leaks and thruster issues occurred on a part of the vehicle that is not intended to survive the trip home from space, so mission teams are delaying the spacecraft’s return as part of a last-ditch effort to learn everything they can about what went wrong.
Okay, that's why. It makes sense.
But yes, I hope Boeing isn't building these like they have been building their 737 max and 787, lol

4 more days (they plan the return on the 26th). Overstay will be 12 days total (iirc 14th was the original return). How much extra food/water/air days do they normally have on the ISS?

>>16247051
>I hope Boeing isn't building these like they have been building their 737 max and 787
Why should astronaut deserve better and safer aerospace engineering than everyone else? Some of the passengers who fly on 737s & 787s are genuinely worthwhile people. All astronauts do is get a free ride the to space station once ever few years and then they jack off and take selfies in space for a few weeks and come home. They never accomplish anything worth a damn up there, all they do is waste money.

>>16246577
> he changed the thumbnail
I guess faillx was too fucking retarded even for his mongoloid subscribers, what a pathetic faggot

> mfw starliner crew come back in a dragon capsule

>>16247111
>Why should astronaut deserve better and safer aerospace engineering than everyone else?
They shouldn't, that's exactly my point. If their QA/QC is shit for their airplanes, let's hope they didn't fuck that up for Orion as well.

>>16247111
>They never accomplish anything worth a damn up there, all they do is waste money.
Off-topic, really, let's stay focused on the Starliner capsule problems, that's the topic of the thread.

>>16247181
>Orion
I meant Starliner, apologies

>>16246577
Launching satellites makes more money. Tourists would rather be in a smaller more private capsule over a cruise ship of a hundred people as starship is meant to be.

>>16247182
It’s spaceflight general. Discussing if forcing people to pay to send people into space to do experiments that have little consequence on those who’s money your taking could easily be seen as not worthwhile, possibly even immoral given the theft-like nature of taxation.

>>16247217
>It’s spaceflight general.
Yes indeed, I stand corrected.

Well, IMHO, for the minuscule budget that these projects require when compared to the immense bills of nations, I'm very OK with contributing my money to these things.

What do you guys think of Gravitics?

>>16246913
>Musk fails again! Starship was schedule to land at 21:18 EDT but Musk can't tell the truth about any timeline and Starship landed late at 21:22 EDT. Why isn't this charlatan in prison?
>Did you see how much soil his death machine kicked up? Musk's Starship is defacing the lunar surface which has remained unchanged since before humans walked the Earth. Now he treats it like a kid spraying graffiti in the alley behind an abandoned Denny's.

starliner return is on indefinite hold

>Starliner will make its return to Earth some time afterward, likely no earlier than the July 4th holiday.
>During a pair of news conferences since Starliner docked to the station officials have downplayed the overall seriousness of these issues—repeatedly saying Starliner is cleared to come home "in case of an emergency." But they have yet to fully explain why they are not yet comfortable with releasing Starliner to fly back to Earth under normal circumstances.
https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/06/nasa-indefinitely-delays-return-of-starliner-to-review-propulsion-data/

new historical firsts
>the first time that a spacecraft gets abandoned in space
>the first time that a recovery spacecraft is launched to save astronauts

>>16247071
Plenty. This just eats into the buffer that the regular crew has between now and the arrival of the next resupply ship. I'm not up to date on the current state of ISS's water and air recycling systems. If they working at full capacity, there's no problem. If some of them have been degraded, then there could be an issue with them keeping up over time. Everything on ISS is engineered with large margins since repair and replacement is very expensive in space, especially on short timelines. It's better to pay the higher cost to lift redundancies into orbit than to have a sudden need for them in a short time window.

>>16247302
>new historical firsts
There was Soyuz MS-22 though (+ possibly other during Mir/Salyut)

but yeah, if it doesn't land with its crew, that's sodoku level shame

I missed boing's flight. What happened?

>>16247302
>berger thinks there's less than a 10% chance of starliner returning home with astronauts
oh no no no

>>16247340
I think you got that backwards anon.

>>16247340
>two more astronauts than seats
Realistically would they handle this in the apparently 9% chance they do leave them? How long are they going to have two people up there with no emergency options?

>>16247340
Read it again ESLposter

>>16247347
IFT5 becomes a rescue mission

>>16247347
they'll just send 2 astronauts on the next dragon mission rather than 4. it's supposed to launch in early august anyway.

>>16246577

i cant wait for the inevitable disaster movie made about starliner

>>16247361
It'll be like Armaggeddon but more realistic. You can still have Bruce Willis because he's as articulate as the average Boing! Engineer.

>intuitive machines second lunar lander is expected to launch later this year
lunar economy here we goooooooooo

>>16247382
payloads:
>drill and mass spectrometer to search for ice
>hopper robot that will dive into a crater
>a communications relay satellite
>sherpa space tug
>cosmic ray detector
>another rover for scooping up regolith samples
>nokia 4G/LTE test hardware
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intuitive_Machines_Nova-C#IM-2_mission

>>16247400
missions 3 and 4 are slated to launch next year

First Chinese launch in a while happened early this morning. The payload is a French-Chinese x-ray telescope flying on a Long March 2C.

>>16247404
>French-Chinese
huh

>>16247404
I like these unorthodox launch locations like Russia’s northern snowy launchpad. There’s more variety.

>>16247419
Jules Pierre Mao

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>>16247425
>READ THIS MESSAGE
Hey letting you all know this thread is illegitimate and some other anon staged the real one so check the catty. This is also literally the same edition as the last one and is a CNN screenshot thread so just move over to the other one to observe thread continuity.
Heres the thread link >>16247414

>>16247419
The Space Variable Objects Monitor is going to be hunting for gamma ray bursts. The orbiting x-ray telescope pinpoints the initial event and then automated telescopes on the ground zero in on it to make visual and infrared observations before the burst can fade. Having a pair of ground segments in France and China will give it have something approximating full sky coverage.

>>16247111
> Why should astronaut deserve better and safer aerospace engineering than everyone else?
Because they are literally better, smarter human beings. The best humanity has to offer both technically, physically, and socially. The average 747 passenger is a drooling retard. This is really not controversial, but this is the problem with liberal democracy. Breeds anti-elitism so everyone gets pulled down by the retards

>still literally prototyping with the vehicle a decade after they started

>>16248075
That's what innovation looks like.

>>16246577
Lmao what does this retard say about any publicly funded science project?
Does he also make a clown video everytime they get delayed?

>>16247340
no you read that wrong, he thinks there's less than a 10% chance that it doesn't come home with astronauts in it

>>16247427
there's really no reason not to reuse this one

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>>16248155
He's been on the public payroll his entire life so he loves government funding for whatever lab he's working in. Apparently they don't have any real goals, at least nothing of consequence.

>>16248075
>still prototyping a vehicle after its in orbit with crew

>>16248726
Iirc they actually decided the helium leaks were no big deal. Specifically a "nuisance" iirc

>>16247302
So are the two astronauts just fucking around now? No way they planned an extra what 2 weeks of work for them to do just in case. Not even sure they can do "more" science since everything is already scheduled tightly for the existing crew

12km hop test by CASC

https://weibo.com/5658451754/Okk2Xf7Aj

>>16249146
>no video

>>16249150
higher resolution

>>16247111
>They never accomplish anything worth a damn up there, all they do is waste money.
zubrin_urine_paint.jpg.wav

>>16249151
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FobpGG31qEw

>>16248831
It's a very normal thing for America to blame whitey CEO rather than incompetent black employees

>>16249150
>>16249156
Is it the launch pad for CZ-10?

Rough scale comparison of SAST's 3.8m methalox hopper with Falcon 9/FH and SAST's planned 3.8m kerolox CZ-12

I do wonder if their announced "4m reusable launcher" will be 3.8m diameter like CZ-12 or acually be wider, they made a point to list different diameters in their official report

>>16249195
Yes

>>16248924
A large percentage of the work on ISS is maintaining various systems to keep it livable. Some of those tasks could be offloaded to the Boeing astronauts if they don't require a great deal of specialized training.

>>16244898
What do all the "Fuck Elon" people say when you bring up SpaceX and Starlink? Like, where do they think the US would be without him? Who do they think would take his place?

>>16249592
If there was no spaceX, the ISS may have been abandoned during the Ukraine war.

>>16244898
Does the Starliner have autopilot so it can be flown back to Earth and be torn apart to see what the problem really is?

>>16244898
>Spaceflight
>>>/n/

>>16249592
>Elon didn't do that, it was the engineers.
Repeat for anything positive about any of his companies.

>>16249606
Anon, this is a blue board. We don't use the n word here.

say no to recycling

>starlink launch
>nobody gives a shit

>>16249736
Can you remember every chinese village torched?

I'm using this thread now

>>16249602
No, they have to draw straws for it.

How much Tang do the have left?

>>16249817
You can never have enough Tang.

>>16249786
>as you can see the Raptor is a lot cleaner than it used to be
>Tim: These are not V3 yet?
>No
>Tim: Is the V3 the same thing as the Lee(?) engine?
>sort of, the lead engine, we will do that at some point but that is really a total tear up
>it looks like the lead engine but it is much more expensive because it has printed parts for example
>the next gen engine needs no heat shield
>because its exposed, it needs cooling, there are internal cooling circuits
>it looks very simple on the outside but its very complicated on the inside

>>16249846
>all this stuff you see on the side disappears
>we have a design that works, it looks like the engine isn't complete

>>16249848
>Tim: You had the render
>it looks like its missing parts, but the secondary circuits and integral cooling are part of each part
>if you have a secondary cooling circuit, you run the secondary cooling circuit or the secondary flow circuit through the various parts
>we have also eliminated a whole bunch of bolted and welded joints
>especially bolted joints, we want to get rid of those
>bolts and flanges and seals are hell, especially if they are hot

>>16249851
...aren't these supposed to be serviceable to facilitate reusability?

https://x.com/ajtourville/status/1804937127391617053

Estronaut got confuzzled about the workings of a production line.

>>16249851
>its difficult to service because there are parts that have no flanges anymore, just welded shut
>Tim: You want to get it so reliable you don't need to service it?
>if you want to service you have to cut it open
>Tim: At this you might as well swap out the whole engine?
>We will cut it open
>there is a massive bolted flange full of hot gas manifolds transferring hot gas from the fuel pump side to.. well its hard to point out from here
>the thing that joins the fuel turbopump to the ox turbopump, the band looking thing
>that thing has a monster flange on the top and bottom, we want to get rid of those two
>a lot of pressure

>>16249873
>you can see there are a lot of flanges here, the pump is made of flanges
>flange, flange, flange
>beast level flanges
>Tim: So there is no active cooling on the current version of Raptor?
>the current version of raptor does not have sufficient cooling to resist being in a hot gas plasma, it would melt
>that is why you need the shield
>its heavily shielded

>>16249877
>on the next a bunch of the flanges you see here will disappear, it will have integral cooling and integral secondary flow circuits

>>16249873
>if you want to service you have to cut it open
Between this and the tiles I'm starting to get really worried about Starship

>>16249878
>there is a whole bunch of engines down there
>each one of these is the most advanced rocket engine ever made
>super high pressure, high efficiency, full flow staged combustion
>Tim: In aircraft turbines you can do cooling on the actual turbine blades, is there any way to have some cooling on the turbopump blades?
>We have had that discussion many times

>>16249846
>Tim: Is the V3 the same thing as the Lee(?) engine?
the 1337 engine. it got very little public mention at the time but according to isaacman's book elon wanted to replace raptor with 1337 in 2021 during the no-sugarcoating-this days, but then most of the design elements got incorporated into raptor 3

>>16249882
>we will finally have a real factory for Starship, not just make it in tents
>long term we want to get the thrust of raptor to 335 metric tonnes
>that would take us to 10,000 tonnes of thrust at liftoff
>Tim: That is coming up on 3x the thrust of Saturn 5.
>I'm hopeful we will achieve [reusability] by next year

>>16249887
>Tim: If you had to get 300 tonnes into orbit you could expend a rocket.
>but it would be pointless
>Tim: You have that capability
>if you can do 200t reusable, you can do double that expendable
>Tim: If you had to do HLS to speed it up, orbital refilling is not done or something
>No, orbital refilling is just docking with ourselves, we dock with the space station all the time
>the space station is way harder to dock with than ourselves
>Tim: Is there going to be an orbital depot?
>depends on how quickly you want to launch
>if you are going to the moon, I don't think you need a depot, you just send a ship up and send tankers and your boil-off rate won't be too bad
>for the moon you would want to have a dedicated earth orbit-to-moon system, because you don't need a heat shield, or maybe to break
>the moon is harder than it seems due to no atmosphere and can't use it to break

>>16249865
well elon is spouting buzzwords that he made up so naturally noone knows what it means

Reminder: Elon Musk is a redditor

>>16249890
>for landing on the moon you don't need a heat shield, flaps and you need very little thrust, but you need very big landing legs, one leg lands on a boulder and one lend lands on a crater

>>16248706
if they did they'd be privately funded

>>16249894
>Tim: Starship is very big, basically a habitat by itself
>the next step beyond apollo is going to be to make a moon base Alpha
>you don't just want to have a few people there for a few hours, you want to have a permanently occupied base

>>16249894
or look while landing and hit some flat ground

so are we going to see crisped muttistanis or what

>>16249899
>this will be full of equipment in three months
>this is meant to have a lot of stations

>>16249904
>hey guys

>>16249905
>stargate was the big thing back then but is dwarfed by everything else now

>>16249906
>it just keeps going

>>16249908

>>16249901
or you can bombard the moon to make it flat before you land

>>16249909
>the other side will look like this

>>16249908
looks like a lite-brite

>>16249910
we aren't allowed to nuke the moon
by international convention

>>16249916
Who said anything about nukes?

>>16249913
>we are checking each tile its not cracked and its well seated
>Tim: How do you feel about how they are mounted?
>we will continue to iterate on the mounting points, 99% of the time it works well
>just have to find out what causes the 1% of the issues that causes the tile to crack or some other problem
>its a snap-on
>you have to break the tile to take it off
>its meant to put on and stay on
>Tim: What is the deal with the seams?
>they don't really matter that much, they are just different sections of the nose cone
>this is somewhat of an debate, you could wait to for the whole nose cone to be made and then put the attachment points on
>currently we put the tile attachment points in sections, that is why you have a line
>there is more than one way to skin a cat, this is just a cat getting skinned, its not to say there is not a better way to do it
>the first order of business is to get one way to get it to work, then you can optimize

>>16249923
>there is still a lot of work we have to do here

surely starbase has a dedicated 737 filled with a McMaster order fly in every day

>>16249924
>header landing tank
>COPVs propped against it
>gotta pressurize the header tank with something when the engines aren't on

>>16249928
>Tim: Is the pez door going to stick around?
>for the starlink satellites it makes no sense to have a giant fairing because they are flat
>Tim: Did the door test go well last flight?
>we had some issues (laughs)

>>16249930
>thrusters here
>don't take too detailed pictures, might run afoul some ITAR stuff
>if anyone wanted to copy us, it would be a hard thing to copy

>>16249859
i fucking knew it lmao
>>16249873
>>its difficult to service because there are parts that have no flanges anymore, just welded shut

and it's still so much fucking worse than i was expecting

>>16249931
>much better with doors
>everything used to have mud and dust and birds and things
>[unkown third person, probably employee]: Its a looong ways from MK1 I think
>yeah (laughs), the MK1 thing looked like the junkyard from Tatooine
>the MK1 was conceptual, a concept piece, concept art

>>16249936
>we do have an existing factory that wraps around what you saw
>well take down that wall when we have the doors, then the factory will go as long as the eye can see
>the sections get gradually bigger when you go south, that is why things start out short and get taller as things go along

>>16249938

>>16249939
>that is meme street
its over
part 2 is up for patreons and is apparently going to have a tour of the launch site and post IFT-4 interview

ELON LOOKING PRETTY THICK

>>16249606
Falcon launches should probably be /n/ at this point

>>16249923
>you have to break the tile to take it off
>its meant to put on and stay on
I assume this is due to complexity requirement to make it happen which can create potential issue. The best maybe to break it apart and replace it with new one entirely rather than create a mechanism for making the tiles removable intact

*flies through cosmic rays and takes pictures*

>>16249969
>create a new mechanism
Goes against Musk's no part is best part ethos, adds a new point of failure on top of the current issues they've been having

>>16249966
I mean if YOU want to go interact with that schizo you can be my guest

https://x.com/CJHandmer/status/1804962438984720811

>>16249966
>Why isn't Falcon 9 battery powered?
>That launch pad should have a bike lane for workers and the public.
>Orbit isn't walkable enough. Why are billionaires like Musk keeping access to space all to themselves? The people deserve the same access as billionaires.
Have fun.

>>16249985
somebody did too much ket for solstice

>>16249985
This is how my dad types when he's mad lol.

>>16250002
Well he has to deal with all the shit the family has to deal with and he cant just say "no" to it, the buck stops at his footsteps.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_cXjLUZc5Y
>New Ablative Material Spotted on Ship 30 | SpaceX Boca Chica

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqMx_jLZZSs
>Starship Infrastructure Continues to Expand at Starbase! - SpaceX Weekly #120

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1804871620114214978

So SpaceX currently builds ~1 raptor v2 per day on average. Musk says he can build lot more than that but are simply waiting for the Raptor 3 to be ironed out at test stage.

So we're gonna get double the rate? Triple? 10X? 100X?

>>16250008
1000 starships a year, 1-to-5 ratio of boosters to ships so 200 boosters
right now 33 raptors per booster and 6 per ship but that will be 35 and 9 in the future? so 9k raptors needed for the starships, 7k for the boosters, 16k per year
about 44 per day, so 44x

>>16250013
If we assume each ship has an operational life of 100 flights, building 1000 ships annually means their manufacturing related operations bottleneck allows a flight rate of 100,000 launches a year, or ~274 launches a day.

>>16249985
I told you all he's a fag

>>16250013
Juicy. They may need to build a new raptor factory or expand the current one tho. If the current one only churns out enough for 20 Boosters per year and 100 Starships for Starbase as Musk said, then its only ~4-5X capacity for the factory.

>>16250021
Iistened to you on this one and you were right

>>16249881
>>16249932
I'm not sure cutting along the established weld line is much of a problem. Seems like it should be ok, and stronger than a flange

it’s unclear to me why elon hasn’t set up a sperm donation website for any woman—they would be able to apply & access elon sperm for free (they would only have to pay shipping & handling).

why?

- there are hundreds of thousands of 35+ women single whose prospects of having children are incredibly low & they do not want monogamous relationships with anyone other than 6’5” finance bros with trust funds & blue eyes.

- these women would get billionaire sperm for free, or maybe elon can give $50k to each and cover the kids schooling. would save hassle since elon would pay for IVF too.

- they would be single mothers, and elon can father thousands of children leaving behind a gene pool only second to ghengis khan.

seems like a win win here for everyone involved—it could possibly cause a short term fertility boom too.

how did Boeing manage to completely destroy their public image in such a short period of time

>>16250045
ah yes, REWARDING the roasties for being whores
great idea pinhead

>>16250045
Elon likes to interact with his children so I doubt he would approve of that at all

>>16250008
At the cost of scrapping serviceability by removing flanges. Starship is rapidly becoming shuttle 2

>>16246481
dragon

>>16250052
Even if it's only refurbishable, 100 tons to orbit is still a 100 tons to orbit. Still more than any other currently operational rocket, and far cheaper than the other options(N1, Energia and Saturn V.)

>>16250052
Just use a wire brush to clean it

>>16250046
With high-scrutiny industries like they operate in, things seem fine as long as they can maintain appearances, but after the façade cracks it all goes down quick

did they try unplugging and plugging back in the star liner that might help

>>16250073
nasa deemed this too risky.
-x

DON'T LET US DIE ELON
SAVE US

>>16250073
This is exactly how they fixed most of the malfunctioning thrusters

>>16250052
removing and reinstalling a flange, especially a high temperature high pressure flange, is almost as much work as cutting it open and welding it back up
welding is probably easier if you've got it automated

>>16250080
Yeah true and you won't be opening up those areas very often. Servicing would be more like cleaning out the cone from coking

https://spaceflightnow.com/launch-schedule/

Falcon Heavy launch in 45h

>>16250089
Does anybody care at this point? Ill answer for you, no.

"Stop asking fucking question Tim"

Realistic Starship Crew Complement?

>Assuming 1100 cubic metres of habitable volume.
>Passenger planes, trains and intercity busses allocate about 3 to 5 cubic metres per person, so a few hundred people is possible for p2p travel or launch to low orbit.
>Submarines, ships and the ISS allocate between 13 and 20 cubic metres for long term accomodation and work space, so easily between 55 and 85 people. Not too far off the original estimated passenger load.
>IIRC the 100 people were the complement of the original 12 metre wide Spaceship.

>>16250096
elon could take that kid in a fight

>>16250096
you just know elon wanted to king-hit him when the soicuck started talking about aerospike

>>16250098
From what I heard, the 9 meter reduces it down to only 10 people, but it may be closer to 8. This seems reasonable, given that the 9 meter has an estimated 1km^3 payload volume, which is a bit larger than the Space Station. The ISS, according to NASA, can "reasonably" house 13 in a 900m^3 pressured area.
Keep in mind that the starship is not designed to fly alone for long term missions. It's supposed to be a whole ass fleet of these things going to Mars, so it'll still be 100 people, just not crammed into the same vehicle.

>>16250046
You only need a single major fuckup to have your image ruined, just look at British Petroleum.
And Boeing had several moderate fuckups sequentially so that they dominated the news cycle.

>>16250100
And he just kept on
Imagine, you have the opportunity to interview Elon and you don't even prepare any worthwhile questions, just inane chatter. And Tim's whole demeanor is so childish. His little temper tantrum about Dear Moon getting canned makes sense now .

>>16250098
>so a few hundred people is possible for p2p travel or launch to low orbit.
I'm sorry but the meme of publicly owned and launched ICBMs will never take off.
Imagine the regulatory nightmare, as well as the potential to get around M.A.D doctrine combined with an lobbyiest push by current transportation sectors to outlaw it.

Starship doesn't need to get wider.

>>16250112
it does because starship v3 is too thin. Thinner rockets have stricter requirements for launch criteria (can't handle strong winds as well as stouter rockets)

>>16250109
qrd on the meltdown?

>>16250116
https://x.com/erdayastronaut/status/1796760324055404627

>>16250112
new eager video?

>>16250119
thanks

>>16250112
also, is that taking into account the stretching? I don't think so
the optimal width at 140m is not necessarily the same as it is at 120m even if we assume that the only factor here is simply tank weight (it might reduce down to that but I wouldn't assume so right away)

>>16250120
2 years ago

>>16250112
>Y-Axis doesn't start at 0
get this dogshit out of here

>>16249928
Interesting

lets be real, Yusaku Maezawa cancelled dear moon because he didn't want Tim Dodd the Everyday Astronaut yapping in his ear the whole way to the Moon and back
because of him being Japanese his honour stopped him from admitting a mistake kicking Tim off the ride "and just moving on with it"
instead he committed the honorary art of Japanese self sacrifice by killing his own plans to go as well

>>16250119
>But unfortunately now every time I look at the Moon, it’s a painful reminder of dreams lost
KWAB

>>16250132
he was so real for that

>>16246481
getting pisslocked

>>16246481
we still have the best heavy lift first stage ever made so it's a win win

>>16250132
>Tim Dodd the Everyday Astronaut
Please, it's "erday astronaut". It's more cool that way

>>16250132
>Tim Dodd the Everyday Astronaut yapping in his ear the whole way to the Moon and back
"Oh wow"
"That is INSANE"
"The Moon is just insanely big"

>>16247404
are those red clouds NTO+UDMH?

>>16250119
What is it with bugmen and The Great Gatsby?

>>16249928
This looks like a header tank update. In the nose cone seen from NASA's report of Starship, all the COPVs were lined against the hull of the ship. If they're instead aligned pyramidal to the header tank, that may be a more stable configuration and ensures center of mass for the vehicle. Plus, that's space along the hull that can be reclaimed and COPV rupture wouldn't lead to hull damage.

>>16250019
>>16250013
Regulatory bodies will bottleneck at 1/10th that volume. So expect peak launches of around 27.4 per day.

>>16250159
At further one quarter capacity utilization for each flight, that still results in the deployment of 250,000 metric tons of stuff to orbit annually.

>>16250038
>what is turnaround time
also, the whole exchange seemed like the plan was just... not to service the engines. holy fuck this is going to be a disaster if that's the 'plan'.

>>16250096
Tim has let his one time 15 seconds of fame get to his head and is trying to push his luck each time he interviews Elon. Elon's fine with answering questions, but there's time where its obvious that Elon becomes disinterested and context switches to something else because Tim is rambling or making inane points or asking bad questions and the interest is lost. Tim's unlikely to lose access over such minor elements, but his own credibility takes a hit every time he tries to meme a new idea into the rocket development pipeline. I don't think Tim has quite cleared the maturity boundary of the rick and morty joke from 4-5 years ago and the guy needs to step back and reconcile this fact: the joke is old, its not funny anymore.

>>16249999
checked

>>16250160
I'd expect that capital ingress from Starlink will eventually lead to a lot of engineers departing SpaceX to spin up new startups focused on developing the mass necessary for Starship's volume for the Mars colonization effort. The money printer from Starlink would flow from SpaceX to these companies as fixed price contracts for goods and services, which are then transported to Moon and Mars to help facilitate the long term development of each initiative. Similar to how Tesla is in between growth phases and ramping towards Model 2/Robotaxi, SpaceX is also in between growth phases where they have a solid talent pool with likely a ton of shares pooled but the underlying transport infrastructure isn't at a point where they can break away and begin seeding the long term requirements of the 1 million humans and 1 million tons of cargo on Mars by date 20XX.

>>16250161
What makes you think dismantling a bolted flange is faster? Elon literally said they'll cut it open when necessary so they do plan on servicing

>>16250168
I believe the intent with Elon's comment is that they expect the engine to be robust enough that they won't have to do it, will cut it open to repair/refurbish depending on HOW the engine failed OR remove and replace with a new engine and keep flying the ship. Then take apart the damaged engine to understand cause, implement fix in the production pipeline, and ensure that all subsequent engines don't fail this way again.

>>16250105
>1km^3

>>16250170
I made a grave error in my assumptions. Forgive my burger ass, I meant 1000 cubic meters.

>>16250170
is his estimate wrong? looks about right to me. I get that we don't know the exact internal taper profile and how much space the header tanks take up but one cubic kilometer is ballpark correct

>>16250173
yeah, aka 1 cubic kilometer

>>16250174
One cubic kilometer is approximately 1000000000 cubic meters, NOT 1000 cubic meters.

>>16250177
Do you know how many meters are in a KILOmeter?

>>16250173
I thought 1km3=1000m3 was a known meme in this general

>>16250164
Yeah at one stage they're walking through the factory floor, and Tim makes some remark and Elon just ignores him then after a few seconds was like
>huh? Oh I was thinking of something else
Elon was so bored of interacting with this intellectual peanut but he was polite and made the most of it. I doubt Tim will get any more invitations.

>>16250179
I'm a newfag here, I didn't know about the meme if it does exist. I should've lurked more rather than fucked up.

>>16250178
What is 1000 meters x 1000 meters x 1000 meters?

>>16250176
No it's one kilonic cube-meter

>>16250182
1 cubic meter

>>16250182
Three thousand meters?

Alright you guys are fuckin' with me, I should've known better. Funny though!
Seriously though, sorry for the screwup.

>>16250182
1000 meters x 1000 meters x 1000 meters = 1000(meter^3)
You just take the 1000 out of the brackets (distributive law)

>>16250189
Never apologize - never back down.

>>16250191
You forgot to carry the 3. If you do then you get >>16250185

>>16250195
Oh shit I forgot
1000(meter^3) -> (take the 3 down in accordance with the log rules) = 3000 m

>>16250189
>>16250194
absolutely. now it's time to start accusing everyone of samefagging and possibly being chinese agents.

Alright guys take it easy!
I get it, it is funny.
But I'm starting to get mad. And you won't like that

>>16250199
Brose...
Did we go too far?

>>16250199
Do you have enough deltaV to do anything about it?

>>16250203
>>16250202
>>16250199
>>16250198
>>16250196
>>16250195
>>16250194
>>16250191
>>16250189
>>16250185
>>16250184
>>16250183
>>16250182
>>16250179
>>16250178
>>16250177
>>16250176
>>16250174
>>16250173
>>16250170
All me.

Sharteen really can't not seethe I see

>>
A few years ago some idiot thought startship payload volume was 1km^3 because it’s 1000m^3. He actually argued a whole thread about it.

>>16250214
>>16250182

>>16250150
Yeah, all of the early long marches use hypergolic fuel.

once SpaceX moves all operations off Earth there nothing stopping Elon from developing ships, weapons and defenses in space, he could landlock the entire human race on Earth.
literally nothing could be done to stop him and it would be very based to be fair.

>>16250218
SpaceX will fucking own mars

>Somewhat belated on account of my appendix getting deleted…but landing Starship on the ocean feels as significant as Falcon 9’s first landing (1/3)
>x.com/larsblackmore/status/1804924642773336366
It's really happening..

>>16249936
>yeah (laughs), the MK1 thing looked like the junkyard from Tatooine

we have come along way anons, still remember when the shell of SS was first assembled and we were all losing our sh1t

>>16250244
Needs to be pointier.

>>16250231
Better flag (more accurate)

>>16250244
god I hope that they take it down to a mirror finish

>>16250234
HAHA SO FUNNY JOKE
NO PART IS BEST PART
O I AM LAFFIN

>>16250096
Kek that was definitely the vibe I got during pretty much the whole video. Felt like Elon just wanted to flex how massive starbase is to the world and used estronaut as the vessel.

>>16250234

one cubic kilanigger

>>16250109
This is why I couldn't gaf about part 2, because Tim.
This while some soi was begging all of /sfg/ yesterday to leak for him.
>>16250132
kek, based mz
>>16250143
or as some like to say it, "estronaut"

>>16250248
true, I can't wait to see this emblazoned on all spacex rockets when Im 60

>>16249878
in awe at the size of this lad

Elon needs to get his shit together or he's gonna be dead in 10 years. Look at that fat fuck.

Rolls-Royce luxury spaceliner when?

>>16250021
yeah, u rite

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUM-SiRNL_E
Starlink time again, T-30:00

>>16250289
>CUM-SiR

>>16250013
based arithmetic doer

>>16250235
>catgi

>>16250177

>>16250289
https://twitter.com/i/broadcasts/1djGXNNVrDNxZ
T-2:00

T-1:00

>>16250306
If anyone is out in socal or Arizona and has clear skies, there's a good chance this launch will show off a pretty impressive jellyfish like the last vandenberg launch

>>16250306
got a bad feeling about this one bros

>>16249910
>>16249916
Could you detonate a nuke just high enough so that just the heat from the nuke melts the surface to create a dust free zone? Without making a giant crater?

>>16250309
It did

>>16250310
Could you elaborate?

barely made it, way off

>>16250312
a nuclear leafblower?

>>16250315
no

>>16250310
Unfounded feeling; nominal orbital insertion and good landing.

>>16250316
its' over spacex if finished booster will land on the OLM

>>16250316
incoming thunderfoot vid

https://twitter.com/akd_ams/status/1805086595751518258
>Tonight’s Starlink launch from Long Beach

>>16250325
it's nice that vandy launches are becoming frequent enough that you don't have half of los angeles freaking out about alien invasions and/or nuclear war whenever one happens at dusk these days

>>16250327
lel good times
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BJuPrUeFTk

>>16250329
>there's like a scar in the sky from this...
Unintentionally a really bad ass description. I like that guy. (1:27)

>>16250244
>A rocket that never flew
When does the government get a refund?

>>16250329
for me it's our African American friend that spelled "over" wrong at (4:30)

>>16250180
>I doubt Tim will get any more invitations.
What other person do you think would be as good at getting a tour of the factory than him? I can't really think of any other person that would ask some decent questions even though at least a quarter of it is cringe, but Elon is pretty cringe as well.

>>16250325

>>16249926
>McMaster
Starship would be SLS price if they were going with McMaster lmao. Interesting point though, I do wonder what the SpaceX supply chain looks like. Are they just buying BNGs off the shelf for all those flanges on the motors?

>>16250340
Scott Manley would ask actually interesting technical questions

>>16250342
me on the left

>>16250325
>>16250342
God, I hope someday we can get our representatives to enact light pollution laws to stop rocketships from taking off over populated areas. It ruins the sky and is so annoying when it blasts the night with all that light. There's already precedence with the sonic boom legislation, just dust it off and apply it to rockets.

>>16250304
What kind of weirdo puts a cuck mask on their already gay enough anime avatar?

>>16250344
I remember Elon talking about how make upwards of 90 something % of their parts in house. Their supply chain looks like a bunch of dudes operating lathes and cnc machines in a warehouse.

>>16250340

>>16250350
WAIIII STAHHSHIPPU... eto eto... SKINNY?!

>>16250347
the skies are already ruined in cities, most people in LA have never seen stars.
>(When a massive power outage struck southern California in the 1990s, Los Angeles residents reportedly called 911 to express alarm about strange clouds hovering overhead; they were seeing the Milky Way for the first time.)

reminder that the pentagon decided a missile test off the los angeles coast at dusk was a great idea in 2010 and then it gaslit everyone into pretending nobody knew what it was afterwards

>>16250329
why are Americans are so dramatic lol

>>16250340

>>16250348
I think in this case it's a tranny thing rather than a covid thing

>>16250092
FH is rare enough to stull be interesting. Is this one going to recover the boosters?

>>16250360
lol, I can't even picture it in my mind, what would thunderchad ask him?

NASA knew Boeing Starliner had leak before launch

https://nypost.com/2024/06/23/us-news/nasa-knew-boeing-starliner-had-issues-before-launch-leaving-astronauts-stuck-at-iss-reports/

but they sent it up anyway

>>16250369
Yeah this isn't news we knew this already

>>16250369
>have problem
>don't care
>don't have problem
this was well known.

>>16246577
What happened with thunderf00t? His entire content production went from 10% malding and seething at Musk to 90% at this point. It's all he does at this point. What did Musk even do to make him that mad?

>>16250374
All youtubers become flanderized versions of themselves eventually.

>>16250349
You're telling me they're making each bolt, nut and washer for those flange kits?

>>16250377
Yes which is why Elon is so mad about flanges.

>>16250369
>someone got the scoop before berger
has he lost his touch?

people like thunderf00t.jpg are a good thing, he helps people like Elon strive to go above and beyond to prove doubters wrong.
on the other hand dunning krugoids like everyday estronaut are extremely toxic imo, they produce next to nothing(think the know everything) and their mere presence alone can negatively effect engineering operations with their over the top flamboyant fanboyism.

>>16250374
It makes money. Grifter industry is large because media and politicians are against him and thus grifting when false propaganda is propped up is great.

>>16250361
the og illustration was made back in April 2020

>>16250377
Making nuts and bolts is pretty much at the bottom of the difficulty scale anon... Especially when your alternative is buying $1000 a piece "aerospace grade" bolts. Having one dude they pay to do nothing except make different sized nuts all day pays for himself by an order of magnitude.

>>16250382
estro's fine if you realize he's a children's character like bill nye used to be (like 1990s bill nye, not today). you can accuse him of dunning-kruger but he rarely makes factual errors and he's not hurting a damn thing other than acting embarrassing sometimes.

>>16250389
>he rarely makes factual errors
he has a whole team working for him and his on hand knowledge about rockets is very surface level stuff which anyone can learn from wikipedia

>>16250391
fine? tv shows have production staffs too. casuals are gonna be watching youtube videos either way and i'd estro's stuff be racking up views over factually challenged clickbait.

https://apolloinrealtime.org

>>16250400
Apollo 11 time soon

F9 launch got some good views out of CA area. Redditors react

>>16250405
>fascist oligarch
These guys have an unending number of buzz words but literally none of them are used correctly.

>>16250389
He wastes the opportunity. Being in starbase, having direct access to the rockets is unprecedented and he does nothing with it. Elon alone doing a video tour would have been informative because he could talk more about what is interesting.
I would unironically prefer Joe Rogan doing the interview

>>16250409
they really need to do a sit down for part 2
I feel like the "walking and talking" format is not compatible with two autists

>>16250412
Tim Dodd isn't an autist.

>>16250412
>Tim Dodd
>autist

"No"

>>16250414
>>16250415
he clearly is

>>16250417
He's a fruity little dipshit. He doesn't talk like an autist, he talks like a normie. He doesn't hesitate in his speech, he prattles.
Elon is clearly an autist.

>>16250417
He's clearly not

>>16250418
him prattling on all over the place is a clear sign he had some type cognitive hindrance in his development that prevents him from having a normal long winded conversation with people.
it is a childhood trait that should go away however if seen in adults is most likely a sign of autism.

comfy west coast launch

>1. It's impossible, it's never going to happen, and Elon is a conman for promising it.
>2. Okay, it happened, but it was only possible because he had billions of dollars to throw at it.
>3. Okay, other attempts have failed with far more money, but he's still over budget.
>4. Okay, he's still cheaper than the competition, but he's behind schedule.
>5. Okay, he's still faster than the competition, but his engineers were the ones doing all the work.
>6. Okay, his engineers credit him for playing a significant role, but what they accomplished was easy and anyone could've done it.
>7. Why are you still talking about Elon? Are you some sort of weird nerd dickrider?

>>16250439
it will loop back to #1 after starship project concludes and then next big thing begins
I remember us going through every step of denial while F9 was being developed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nq8HrxfSZMc

>>16250409
joe rogan would be just as bad
hullo or spacex nigga would be best because they would actually ask questions to pry information out of elon that isn't already public, or get clarification on assumptions the starbase watcher community has

instead estronaut spouts established knowledge about the rockets and engines as if he's trying to explain general relativity to einstein for an audience of physics phds

Well, won't we find out if the Part 2 interview that's Post-IFT4 is a sitdown in like... 6 hours? I know I won't because I am not giving Estronaut a dime, but someone here inevitably will and will tell us about the video.

We need a new thread soon. Not in a position to make one, sorry.
What do you guys think of Nevada Space's inflatable habitats? I remember hearing about the Bigalow versions back in 2010 and finding it nifty.

>>16250436
that tilting launch tower is so damn cool

>>16250460
>We need a new thread soon

It's page fucking three. Kill yourself.

>>16250462
When I say soon, I mean "within the next 12-16 hours." I will be phone posting for the next 24, hence why I cannot.
Got anything to say about my intended subject or are you just going to vitriolic towards a simple remark?

>>16250460
i feel like inflatable habitats will soon be an idea of a by gone era because starship will be able to launch 8m diameter habitats.
and eventually there be off earth manufacturing where we will able to build habitats as big as we really want.

>>16250466
I'm sure no one will be able to make a thread within the next 12+ hours and your self aggrandising post will be looked back upon with sadness. Fucking reddit shit.

>>16250132
I mean this might really be it or this and the combination of some other crew member
Just take your friends and family, you dont need to do some gay artist thing
Starship flights will become common

>>16250449
Last Joe rogan podcast with musk was just one big giant add for the cybertruck.
Rogan did not ask even one question about spaceX.

>>16250346
The crocodile?

>>16250109
>And Tim's whole demeanor is so childish
Why is he childish

>>16250347
you will watch a sky littered with satellites and there's nothing you can do about it

>>16250377
Yes.

>>16250479
Millennial.

>>16250479
Repeats this insane, wow, etc every 5s when they start walking
You could day it a gew times to get thr point across, dont need to keep saying it

Elon probably knew Tim Dodd isn't going to the moon since the beginning

>>16250484
same. my very first words were "serves dim todd right for joining the cult of that clown felonius huskrat"

>>16250484
And Elon still knows Tim is not going up there any time soon. The first 20-30 years of Lunar starship operation will strictly be used by mainly government/corporate backed experts/workers from the STEM field.
Affordable tourism won't open up until proper infrastructure is first built.

am i the only one who noticed these astronomy channels on youtube tend to be very anti-space colonization and very anti-spacex in general?
>>16250488
more like first 10-15, it won't take that long with how much tonnage starship can bring. but lunar tourism will be far more expensive then LEO tourism

>>16250446
insane comparing this to the starship factory being built right now, that looks so small and primitive in comparison

>>16250490
it's just astroonomers in general who think that space should be their sole preserve. starship's going to deliver them megaconstellation telescopes with effective diameters nobody had ever imagined until a few years ago and they'll be bitching every second of the way.

>>16250483
He's so inarticulate, he can't think of words to describe the megafactory, so instead of saying nothing he just says "that is literally insane" over and over.

>>16250497
TAD

>>16250500
what would you have said

>>16250493
2010 spacex is still miles ahead of present day blue orign lol

>>16250503
>Almost as big as your torso Elon lmao

>>16250493
>insane
ahhhh that's my trigger word

big bang t+300,000,000 year galaxy
oldest thing we have observed

>>16250517
interesting I guess. Bet it's younger than it should be

I wanna get a handjob from her

>>16250521
I have that same keychain. got it for helping Sierra bros

>>16250521
ToT

>>16250503
sugoi
kimochi
iku~

cool ummm so yeah as we were saying I mean obviously a lot has changed in the last couple of years

https://x.com/elon_docs/status/1804967166011158554

>hurr durr there used to be tents and now there are no tents haha how cool is that! you guys have come so far along in just two whole years bluh bluh bluh
I feel like Elon was getting a little dejected at Dodd stating this over and over, the Starship program is clearly 12-18 months behind schedule and he knows it.

>>16250555
Yeah he must have observed that like 5 times. I mean is that it? No questions on his mind? I don't think Tim is actually into space-flight at all.

>>16250555
Even at Elon hopium speed, the factory and launch hardware progress at boca chica is solid. Actual starship development, yeah. Behead all FAA officials and gas every beetle.

>>16250562
He's a reddit midwit, it's to be expected. Still, the severe lack of technical talk was pretty fucking disappointing. Just him basedjacking repeatedly, WOAH BIG BUILDING WOW ROCKET SO BIG.

>>16250555
i dunno, elon always comes off as disappointed to me with these estro interviews and yet he keeps inviting the guy back so he must like the guy enough

>>16250566
He probably assesses Timas having the broadest reach with normies so is of most use to Elon. He wouldn't be interested in having some nigger ask him confrontational doomer-type questions so CSI Starbase is out, and Hullo is just a non-starter
A tiresome fanboy to maintain public excitement is just what Elon wants.

>>16250562
he should be over the fanboying at this point, Tim has met Musk a number of times already so why not talk to the guy normally and ask engineering related questions?
almost seems like he had no plan at all
I hope the post IFT-4 interview is better structured
I mean if Tim didn't come up with any questions he could have just asked Musk to give an actual tour and ask specifically what each area will be for (even if its not set in stone), in what way the parts will move, if you have linear and adjacent flow how many adjacent cells will there be in that case? you have multiple copies of the production line basically or do you have like 5-3-5-2 etc number of cells and the larger numbers represent more work so you have more working in parallell

he didn't really ask that many questions in retrospect, there were maybe a few good questions but most of the time Tim was blabbing about something retarded or saying "wow thats insane" and then Musk just talked about something relevant with respect to where they were
this tour might have been better if it was mostly just Musk walking around and talking about what is done in which area and why

>>16250572
>I hope the post IFT-4 interview is better structured

How would you like to hear about aerospikes?

>this tour might have been better if it was mostly just Musk walking around and talking about what is done in which area and why

100% would have been kino, just him sperging about random assembly stations and shit.

>>16250566
estro has a big audience and makes pretty good videos (or maybe his team does) otherwise
if they asked some of the tankwatchers to come there it would be extremely technical yes, but then it might be too unapproachable to normies that have a slight interest in this but haven't really been following it or don't have much or any technical expertise (in anything, meaning basic STEM concepts for instance)
so it kind of depends what Musk is trying to get out of these, he tends to go on a lot of interviews and then just says the same things in all of them everytime and that comes out as PR to me basically, clearly not aimed at people that follow what he says much but towards random third parties that happen to watch it

>>16250576
Yeah it's hard because we want the autistic nuts and bolts tier information but Elon just wants to pump out pr bits about reusable aeroplane analogies.

>>16250580
>autistic nuts and bolts tier information
bet the ITAR process redacted all that

>>16250566
>he keeps inviting the guy back so he must like the guy enough
yep this is it.
Tim is a harmless youtuber who is in love with spaceX and has been around forever, I guess Elon trusts him the most out of all of them.

Elon should just do a starbase tour with clear using deepl live translate.

how to emotionally deal with the fact that there is no proof that if a booster gets reused 10 times its engines also get reused 10 times.

>>16250591
The engines are expensive as shit. There's a reason why Elon took out the tin snips on some of the M-Vacs.

>>16250591
Even cars have engine rebuilds.

>>16250591
if a booster doesn't get static fired before launch then it's a safe bet that all of the engines are already flight-proven. i doubt that anyone's collected statistics on which f9 flights get static fires vs. which don't but you could get a pretty solid estimate on the number of engine reuses from those.

>>16250019
why only 100? its stainless steel, shouldn't be limited to 100 flights as long as it doesn't pass a certain tolerance level for the steel. its not aluminum

>>16250591
Why would you care? You don't even work for SpaceX.

>>16250159
they'll have to build a shit ton of ocean based launchpads. remember there are 100k+ plane flights a day, so i dont think regulatory bodies would stop ~250 launches a day if they're mostly not happening on land

spotted this engineer again. Last tour Tim Dodd could ask him some questions but didn't have any good questions.

Elon admitted than the high heating of reentry is the biggest issue for Starship.

>>16250614
Easy solution, don’t re enter

>>16250510
fuck, don't worry i wont use it more then once. im not like the estronig

>>16250521
Sorry, she's lesbo

>>16250497
i saw some astronomy channel with like 17k subscribers talk about how spacex is doing it wrong and they need to spend 30 years preparing and not go to mars until 2050 or something. my immediate reaction to his retarded oldspace plan was get back to me when you launch 90% of mass to orbit in one year instead of running a shitty youtube channel. he also thinks colonizing the moon is better then mars despite it having no known carbon deposits and very minimal water ice reserves lol

>>16250555
I think the Starship program was heavily de-prioritized when SpaceX determined F9 was capable of making Starlink profitable. It was assumed early on that Starship would be required for this, but luckily turned out not the case. Elon was very anxious in late 2021 about getting Starship orbital and delivering sats biweekly by end of 2022. SpaceX by extension deprioritized HLS, as they are confident HLS won't be the pacing item for Artemis 3/4. Whether or not that will turn out true in the end, we shall see. I believe Elon verbatim said 2028 or 2029 for Moon landing, which is 2-3 years later than current NASA stated timeline.

Here's my whacky, dumb idea of the day, on the inside of the tank ,if you had like a thermal camera, you have like a firehose, with cryogenic coolant, just spray if there is a hot a burnthrough. Spray it down from the inside. I don't know.

>>16250614
was the biggest issue, they showed it can be done
now its just about testing it again so the 1-in-10 or 1-in-100 problems don't show up (or do that after booster and ship reuse have been demonstrated)
then after that its just optimization if payload deployment and orbital refilling are really the nothingburgers that Musk says they are

>>16250622
>but but the moon is closer so you can scurry back to earth if something breaks
It's the same mentality as spinqueers who are deathly afraid of going down a gravity well for fear they'll never reach escape velocity again.

>>16250626
2028 was the original original official date for the first artemis moon landing before it got moved up to make trump happy in 2019. i'm pretty sure it was the date behind the scenes all along.

>>16250626
and they did this to iterate on the basic form of Starship for longer to get to a better architecture overall instead of just a solution that works (but can't be iterated after that without massive overhauls)

>>16250627
Still way less retarded than him blabbing about muh fucking stoke aerospike.

>>16250626
Starship was always a LEO vehicle.

>>16250626
>Elon was very anxious in late 2021 about getting Starship orbital and delivering sats biweekly by end of 2022
That was the non-sugar-coating era, right?

>>16250633
Why is his blabbing about stoke retarded, him suggesting the stoke cooling method is on point

>>16250636

>>16250630
With all due respect, if NASA advertized the 2028 date and stuck to it instead of moving to 2024, the landing wouldn't happen anywhere close to 2028. More likely would just get the program cancelled, or take twice as long

>>16250627

>>16250637
because he's been pestering elon about aerospikes for 5 years now

>>16250640
autist here, what is the meaning of this facial expression

>>16250646
>I POOPING HHHNNNNGGGGG

>Sure

>>16250638
Here's my whacky, dumb idea of the day, on the inside of the tank, if you had like a sugar coating, and if there's a hot spot or um a burn through, it would like instantly caramelize and seal the hole! I don't know

We are going.

>>16250627
reminder that this could in fact work.

>>16250199

>>16250646
Stop pretending

>>16250646
Imagine being Elon in that interview and having to be all like "damn, Tim Dodd, you fuckin' smart, all insightful with your absurd suggestions and horrific androgynous bearded face. I would totally consider your cryohose idea, both my character and the real me."

>>16250521
>Funko crew dragon
those soulless eyes

imagine squeezing your penis so far it starts turning bluish purpleish

>>16250650
>011266.jpg
H-how many do you have anon??

>/sfg/ still doesn't realize that compared to normal elon musk interpersonal interactions he's clearly having a great time in the estronaut videos

>>16250665
Elon wanted to kill Dim Todd

>>16250665
>>16250666
both of these can be true

>>16250664
11266