/sci/ - Science & Math

>>16239580
NASA is retarded if they don't send them back in a Dragon capsule. Starliner is a shitty backup program, there is absolutely nothing about this "test" that would be improved by putting astronauts in a broken capsule. There is zero reason for them to be in it as it tries to make it through re-entry. It's broken, it doesn't work, and NASA again gains literally nothing by risking their lives to prove a point.

>>16239585
these tiles >>16239590 look the same what are you on about?

>>16239595
>NASA again gains literally nothing
They gained pleased senators if it works and only lose a few astronauts lives if it doesn't.
Easy decision for them.

>>16239597
they're twice as strong

>>16239595
given the number of manual overrides that had to happen to get it docked to the station, I wouldn't be surprised if they can't even safely undock it without humans on board.

>>16239595
When are they supposed to return anyway?

>>16239595
Talking of which, how come they didn't do a SUCCESSFUL unmanned test flight before putting spam in the can? They did one, screwed something up somewhere, couldn't reach the space station, but then they went straight for crewed flight. I don't understand rocketry.

>>16239607
Never, they are the next sacrifice to the gods of the void.

>>16239597
What the fuck does the look matter you absolute dunce

>>16239609
They reflew the unmanned certification flight after the first time had the RCS system flip out in orbit, and the second one went (relatively) better?

>>16239609
sounds like you understand rocketry just fine, it's the politics you're hung up on.

>>16239617
Oh. Wow, I'm retarded. I just looked it up and of course you're correct, there was a second uncrewed test flight that apparently went just fine. I take the L.

>>16239590
OP didn't post the other photo

>>16239628
Backup silicon or whatever layer?

>>16239625
Easy mistake to make, 2/3 flights of this shitbird have had issues now that this one is leaking all of the helium. It actually makes me question how "just fine" the 2nd cert flight actually went, in retrospect.

>>16239637
The ablative layer

>>16239637
ablative paint, most likely applied with a paint roller by the looks of it

>>16239315
This is pretty much right kek

A serious country would use eminent domain obtain and transfer the property of the holdout landholders and shutdown all the amateur photography and surveillance on national security grounds.

>>16239646
Yeah, the backup layer.

>>16239648
Pretty thick fucking paint if so.

>>16239652
A fascist country would use eminent domain obtain and transfer the property of the holdout landholders and shutdown all the amateur photography and surveillance on national security grounds.

Happy BlackSpaceWeek /sfg/.

hear me out, state space programs. texas on the moon 2027.

>>16239661
Yes

>>16239648
nothing you can apply with a paint roller is robust enough to survive reentry

>>16239657
Isn't that a bit of tape or something?

>>16239663
We need to legalize overland rocket flights NOW

>>16239666
t. chemistrylet

>>16239668
Nah, it's soft silicon. It's at least a cm thick or thereabouts.

>>16239628
how many tons did this add?

>>16239678
Why don't you break out the calculator?

>>16239678
What's the surface area covered by the tiling on Starship? It also depends on what the ablative is actually made of. I've seen studies on silicon ablative give weights like 1.03g/cm3

>>16239692
let's say half the surface is covered with a layer 1cm thick of 1g/cm^3 ablative and starship is a cylinder 9m diameter and 50m tall that works out to 1589 m^2 covered for 15 tons of ablative material.
that seems like kind of a lot on a vehicle that can already only take 40 tons to leo

>>16239678
ablative material is usually really lightweight since you want as little heat conductivity as possible, and the best way to do that is make it mostly empty space.
Still, the sheer amount probably means the mass isn't insignificant.

>>16239692
I'm fucking retarded and used the formula for volume of a cylinder. should be about 7.5 tons, not 15

>>16239659
A chaotic country would use engineers to plant mines and booby traps on holdout landholders and gun down all the amateur photography and surveillance on national security grounds and napalm the surrounding lands

You know theres no land in space?
Thus in space there are no landowners.
Gravity wells are pits of oppression.

>>16239726
Space stations will have land

>>16239726
>no landowners in space
Stations will have owners. In cases where the stations cannot support themselves economically, that will be whomever resupplies them (ala the ISS).
I'd prefer to have a large plot of land on a planetary body.

>>16239726
there will be voidowners. they own void much like landowners own land.

>>16239732
Space stations are not land.
>>16239733
>Stations will have owners.
Space stations are not land.

>16239737
bad bait

>>16239736
I don't see how such a thing would be enforceable considering orbital dynamics.
>>16239739
You don't even know what land is.
>land comprises all naturally occurring resources as well as geographic land. Examples include particular geographical locations, mineral deposits, forests, fish stocks, atmospheric quality, geostationary orbits, and portions of the electromagnetic spectrum. Supply of these resources is fixed.
Space stations neither natural or in fixed supply.

Backpack-portable Starlink is going to be neat. The department at the university where I work is planning to get one to keep on hand and send out with field expeditions.

>>16239744
They can be owned though, like you can own a ship.
I don't know what you're getting at.

>>16239744
>I don't see how such a thing would be enforceable considering orbital dynamics.
my ASAT shoots you down if you trespass into a low polar orbit around Ceres

>>16239750
what if I'm on a hyperbolic trajectory, just passing through?

>>16239757
Keep moving.

>>16239602
Seriously what the fuck does he mean by that
Heat capacity: Did they fucking invent a new miracle material or did they just make them thicker?
Impact/general deformation resistance: Usually for these materials that means you trade off heat capacity, also why, TUFI seems plenty resistant to impacts, doesn't seem necessary to strengthen it further

>>16239761
Imagine the smell inside that suit.

>>16239746
Anything can owned but most everything besides land isn't in fixed supply or natural.
It matters because land being lands means people compete over fixed supply thus perpetually driving up the price of land which absorbs any new wealth entering the system keeping everyone poor.
Look up georgism.

>>16239767
my guess is they learned some stuff from IFT3, and began ramping an adjusted material from what they learned. elon is absolute pro at being vague, so anyone's guess

>>16239772
Yeah, I know a little bit about georgism and I have a positive opinion of it.
Once we have interplanetary travel the amount of land is no longer in fixed supply though.

>>16239780
No you dont you faggot LARPer

>>16239806
you seem mad

>>16239663
hear me out, national space programs. texas on the moon 2027.

>>16239767
I don't remember exactly what Elon said but it's material strength, not resistance to heating

>>16239767
I don't remember exactly what Elon said but it's component strength, not resistance to heating

apollo 18 is free on youtube now if anyone is looking for a good movie to watch

>>16239852
link it earther

>>16239866
>lazy space nerds
https://youtu.be/ETj8NxFe6T8?si=nenSBRRG5tEXlgPb

SPEHS

>>16239876
>The uploader has not made this video available in your country

>>16239888
suck 4 u

>>16239780
>Once we have interplanetary travel the amount of land is no longer in fixed supply though.
Unless you mean by living in space rather than on planets/moons/asteroids then no, it is still fixed. Much more of it but you'd probably be surprised at how quickly it'll be filled up.

>>16239887
why do these orbital assembly mock-ups always have those cuck cages around the tanks and such? Is it required, or is it a case of “one guy rendered it in the 90s and everyone has since just copied him” or something

>>16239898
I assume it comes from the old designs for space station freedom.
You can still see this in the truss on the ISS.

>>16239887
If for some reason starship orbital fuel transfer doesn't work, we can still use it as an omega shuttle to bring big fuel tanks up and build shit like this

>DUH NAHTZIS MADE DUH ROKETS N SHIET
>WE WUZ ARYANS
>MUH VON BRAWN
No

my respect for musk has been steadily declining with aligning X to israel's interests

>>16239888
Sail the seven seas. Better quality than youtube too likely.

>>16239595
They need to increase their killcount

>>16239958
Get a grip, spastic.

>>16239996
incel energy.

https://x.com/vast/status/1802723794068312260
Vast starting to gain ground in the legal territory gaining connections. If they get some champions in congress they will further funding to the space industry and gain dominance over the space station market.

Starbase about to get flooded

...TROPICAL STORM WATCH IN EFFECT...

A Tropical Storm Watch means tropical storm-force winds are possible
somewhere within this area within the next 48 hours

>>16239958
Who exactly are you seething at?

>>16239897
By the time it's filled up, meme drives will make interstellar travel feasible

>>16240019
do you think starship superheavy will eventually be able to launch and land in a storm or do you think the fineness ratio will get just as ridiculous as falcon 9 so it can't deal with any shearing forces?

>>16239897

>>16240018
Good for them, but ideologically disgusting.
I dream of watching Earther cities burn from orbit.

>>16240038
Earth will be the system superpower, rustsuckers are deluded sticcs

>>16240042
Loonies will bombard e*rthers into submission.

>>16240042
Moon wizards don't need muscles to throw rocks

>>16240031
Thanks, this illustrates the point well, earth is maybe 1/4 of the solar systems entire solid surface area.

>>16240043
>>16240046
>muh roggs
oh no! did I blow up your radiators? guess your little underground hab will cook you to death

>>16239897
Earth isn't filled up yet

>>16240051
The entire Moon is a heat sink. The tunnel networks will be arbitrarily large.

>>16240058
And yet we already have severe problems with excessive land prices.

>>16240051
Ooops, I just dropped rocks on all the major population centers in India, flooding YOUR community with saar refugees.

>>16240018
Have they shown any hardware for their station yet?

>>16240064
Just some half-Vast plans.

>>16240060
Terraform the deserts then. Phoenix is currently uninhabitable without extensive life support, let's start there.

>>16240059
First thing Musk is going to send to the moon is a Boreing machine from the Boring Company.

>>16240060
That is a matter of ownership distribution.

>>16240060
no we don't, we have high housing prices

>>16240064
they have a test article for the pressure vessel, a test article for the hatch, and I think they've told us what COTS RCS thrusters they're going to use.

Guys this space stuff is too hard maybe everyone should just give up and take it easy on Earth instead.

MORE PEOPLE ON URF
PAVE THE FORESTS
KILL THE FAUNA
FILL THE OCEANS WITH PLASTIC
THE STREETS PILED HIGH WITH POO
10 BILLION INDIANS

>>16240067
You have little knowledge of what leads to high land prices.
Making more land is only a temporary fix at best and usually no fix at all.
>>16240070
What is ownership distribution fucked? Cause landowners disproportionally benefit from any land improvements that they had no hand in making and in fact every incentive to block, thus allowing them to purchase more land.
>>16240071
No, we have high land prices. If you add up all the labor and material costs and then add a typically profit margin, you'll still find housing in certain places are far more expensive than you'd naively expect. From where comes the extra cost? It's the land.

>>16240085
it's the location, not the land. That's not the same thing at all

>>16240089
No that is the land. The location is the land. Let me repost the economic definition of land.
>>land comprises all naturally occurring resources as well as geographic land. Examples include particular geographical locations, mineral deposits, forests, fish stocks, atmospheric quality, geostationary orbits, and portions of the electromagnetic spectrum. Supply of these resources is fixed.
Literally in the definition says particular geographic locations.

>>16240085
>You have little knowledge of what leads to high land prices.
I don't care about that, I care about increasing the acreage of livable land on Earth, and Phoenix has to be terraformed in order to make it habitable by normal humans.

>>16240110
>I care about increasing the acreage of livable land on Earth
Why, when you have an entire solar system to colonize?

>>16240110
oh yes great idea, let's turn more of earth into suburban sprawl

>>16240113
Square meter made habitable per dollar is something like 1000 times more even on the worst parts of Earth.

>>16240117
Sounds like a skill issue

>>16240116
If suburbs are all you can think to turn deserts into then you will never terraform a damn thing.
Turn Phoenix into a rainforest, the Sahara too. Demolish Boston and reforest that area too, and Detroit.

>>16240131
Luna will be a strip mall and you WILL like it

>Buy land, they're not making it anymore
wrong fag, turns out you can

>>16240152
It's not land if they can make more it of it numbnuts

>>16240157
Tell that to Hawaii

>>16240157
what does this even mean?

>>16240159
Hawaii doesn't make new land in an economic sense, merely convert one kind to another.
>>16240162
What part don't you understand?

>>16240095
It’s the land in the legal sense but it’s the location in practicality.

>>16240157
At one point there was no land at all

>>16240165
>merely convert one kind to another
Also called terraforming

>>16240165
By that thought process how would you explain people moving west to california, oregon, utah, etc.?
That wasn’t economic land until humans sculpted it to their benefit and use

>>16240179
>>16240175
>>16240172
>>16240169
>>16240165
>>16240162
>>16240159
>>16240157
>>16240152
>>16240131
>>16240117
>>16240116
>>16240113
>>16240110
>>16240095
>>16240089
>>16240085
>>16240076
>>16240073
>>16240071
>>16240070
>>16240067
>>16240060
>>16240058
>t.earth bound minds
None of this is spaceflight related

>>16240183
If you can't terraform Phoenix then you aren't ever going to terraform Mars.
You cannot get around this.

>>16240169
economic sense you mean
>>16240179
No it was economic land, must I post the definition again?
>land comprises all naturally occurring resources as well as geographic land. Examples include particular geographical locations, mineral deposits, forests, fish stocks, atmospheric quality, geostationary orbits, and portions of the electromagnetic spectrum. Supply of these resources is fixed.
>land comprises all naturally occurring resources
Human development is not a requirement for it to be land.

>>16239595
>Needs
>Another
>Seven
>Astronauts
This moment has the opportunity to sink NASA and Boeing together. They're going to need a tug stage to get that thing safely away from Station.

>>16239898
>>16239901
Some of it in the first stack ITT are also supposed to be lightweight tension structures.

>>16240185
>can't
Whoever said can't? Just because you can doesn't mean it's cost effective. Also in Phoenix you're working within the rules of the US, Arizona, Maricopa, and Phoenix. Mars isn't just a suburb between poorly built desert city number one and two, it's a new world. The forcing function is completely different

>>16240201
Let me know when you can turn Phoenix green and lower the average temperature by 30 degrees and we'll talk about making Mars livable.

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
MAKE IT STOP DADDY MUSK

>>16240209
How dare the filthy FAA even utter Starship's divine name?

>>16239978
Boeing's vampiric shareholders demand a sacrificial offering.

It's over.

TOTAL WILDLIFE EXTINCTION

>>16240216
>@ScottLikesSLS

>>16240218
>up to 44 launches per year
starship or spacex at KSC overall?

https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20240617700318/en/Rocket-Lab-Signs-Record-Deal-for-10-Electron-Launches-with-Synspective
>Rocket Lab USA, a global leader in launch services and space systems, today announced it has signed the largest Electron launch agreement in the Company’s history; a ten-launch deal with Japanese Earth observation company Synspective.
> Rocket Lab has been launching for Synspective since 2020 when the Company deployed the first satellite in Synspective’s synthetic aperture radar (SAR) constellation, which is designed to deliver imagery that can detect millimetre-level changes to the Earth’s surface from space. Since that first mission, Rocket Lab has been the sole launch provider for Synspective’s StriX constellation to date, successfully deploying four StriX satellites across four dedicated Electron launches. In addition to the 10 new dedicated launches signed today, another two launches for Synspective have already been booked and are scheduled for launch this year from Launch Complex 1 in New Zealand. The launches in the new deal will take place across 2025 – 2027.

>>16240241
another victory for newspace

>>16240205
Build a greenhouse with air conditioning. Done.

>>16240218
I wonder how many boosters are sitting downrange from KSC on the seabed, must be quite a few by now

>>16240242
It's nice to see Rocket Lab not being completely wiped out by an afterthought addition to someone else's business model. That said, ten Electron launches is "only" $75M at Rocket Lab's standard price, which is both a lot of money and not really all that much.

>>16240257
Agreed, SpaceX had to start like this though. I think in the long run they'll be able to scale like SpaceX too. Hopefully this will put them out there and get some momentum going.

>>16240263
SpaceX had no competition though (no, three hundred million boomer rockets are not competition). Everyone else is just too far behind even Falcon 9, let alone starship.

~150 launch prob this year

>>16240263
>I think in the long run they'll be able to scale like SpaceX too
Only if there's a stream of customers. Which I think they want to start their own constellation or something for creating their own demand. But SpaceX is just leagues on its own.

>>16240271
that'd require ramping up their launch cadence by about 25% from where it's been this year so far. seems extremely difficult to do, especially since they seem to already be hitting diminishing returns. 150 launches in 2025 is definitely doable with falcon but i think they're reaching the limits of how far it can be pushed.

>>16240274
>Only if there's a stream of customers
There definitely will be, SpaceX absolutely has the ability to monopolize the space launch market and when that happens people will want options. Rocket Lab is the only player close enough to them to be that option. And to be clear Im rooting for both of them

>>16240252
That's like putting one dome on Mars and calling it "terraformed"

>>16240271
very impressive how they havent had a loss of mission with such a rapid cadence.

>>16239761
Firearms don't work on Mars (no oxygen for the gunpowder to combust)

>>16239898
It's meant to look "realistic" unlike the real-life Starship which looks like an absurd 1950s toy

>>16240295
>there is no such thing as powder based oxidisers

>>16240295
How do guns shoot underwater

>>16240218
>starship landing on a droneship
umm can the current ASDSs handle that?

>>16240263
>SpaceX had to start like this though
Debatable, they got NASA money for Falcon 9 after four launches. There's very little money in launch so scaling up is extremely hard if you don't get external money to develop a larger rocket and all the VCs are also already balls deep in SpaceX or sexier pitches like Relativity. F9 cost "only" 400 million, but if you have to make that yourself it's not exactly easy.

>>16240308
>earth base has a cybertruck

>you will never have angel gf on the moon

>>16240321
Shut up nigger >>>/lit/sffg

>>16240316
>schizophrenia, mid-nineties edition

>>16240290
Just keep building domes.

>>16240321
I will

>>16240209
are grid fins going back to being 90 degrees apart in version 2, or is it a lazy render?

>A number of studies have attempted to assess the medical risks for long-term space station habitation, but the results are inconclusive, as epidemiological data is lacking. It is, however, understood that longer periods in space increase the risk of serious problems. The closest estimates show an illness/injury rate of 1:3 per year, with 1% estimated to require emergency evacuation by means of a CRV. For an eight-person ISS crew, this results in an expected need for a CRV flight once every 4 to 12 years. These estimates have been partially corroborated by experiences on board the Soviet Union's Mir space station. In the 1980s, the Soviets had at least three incidents where cosmonauts had to be returned under urgent medical conditions
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crew_Return_Vehicle

>>16240335
it's definitely a lazy render that shouldn't be examined too seriously

>>16240352
Skibidi toilet ohio sigma rizz

>>16240352
>LKS
I think about this a lot. It's a real shame it never happened

>>16240209
>>16240216
Unfortunately they still need to apply and wait for a loicense for IFT5 anyway since they are changing the profile

>>16240333
based

>>16240402
Ugly as shit subhuman

>>16240321
>go to the moon with your girlfriend
>kill her
I don't see how this is unachievable

>>16240019
How many feet above seal level is Starbase? Surely Spacex has a robust hurricane preparedness plan and didn't just build everything willy nilly, r-right??

Why do I have to specify "HLS Starship"? HLS should be enough context. Blue Origin won the SLD contract; appendix P or whatever.
If I say "HLS" I am talking about Lunar Starship.

>>16240144
Unironically, any moon city is just going to be a web of connected shopping mall like structures

>>16239657
doesn't need to be thick. Intumescent paint is used for fireproofing steel structures. it looks like normal paint, but when exposed to heat it swells into a thick, insulating layer.

>>16240205
Literally go just go inside lmao.

>>16240321
I'm going to neurally synthesize with an AI in a research base on the moon so I think we're conceptually like halfway there.

https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/1802813621958775220
>A White House fact sheet says the US and India have succeeded in "securing a carrier for the first-ever joint effort between NASA and ISRO astronauts" at the ISS, but doesn't identify the carrier or when the mission would launch.
>The countries have also agreed on a Strategic Framework for Human Spaceflight Cooperation and to "work toward commencing" training of ISRO astronauts at the ISS. They will also explore opportunities for India to cooperate on the lunar Gateway,

>>16240389
No they aren't. They aren't changing the profile of the ship until at least IFT-10. The change you see is the Environment Review at the Cape. That's an entirely different matter and unrelated to Boca. All they are doing to the current Ships is modifications that don't change the flight profile. For perspective, the ring detachment didn't trigger a review and the new changes aren't either. They will need to get a new loicense with Ship 2 because of the new flaps and the added engines, and slightly taller overall height. I suspect we'll see them apply for a modification once they have the first Ship 2 built but who knows how far off that is because they first need to get Raptor 3 into production numbers; something that nobody on this earth knows when is going to happen.

>>16240468
>the carrier
It's SpaceX. If it was anyone else there would be a name. The ESA did the exact same shit with the EarthCARE launch.

>>16240468
Reddit mission

>>16240477
oh my, naked flap

>>16240218
>up to 44 Starship launches a year
What will they be launching?
>one moon mission is 15 launches
>30 starlink launches maybe?
I know the new Starlab station plans to use one Starship. Any other large payloads?

>>16240430
>HLS Starship
Starship is the noun
HLS is qan adjective specifying which flavor of Starship

>>16240271
Not if they keep scrubbing

>>16240471
Does anyone have the reddit skylab image for this anon?

>>16240352
The answer is spin Habs.

>>16240470
I don't want dragon covered in shit. Make Boeing take them

>>16240321
correct, I will have a dubiously murderous rabbit gf

>>16240428
This storm is sure to be a nothing burger, but a nice 6-10' surge could really fuck things over there

>>16240488
Why are moon bunnies so dangerous?

>>16240456
How long til neuralink can project your AI waifu into your vision?

>>16240490
they're a bit loony

Fucking Lunarians.

>>16240488
You both WNGTS

Change'e 6 spotted by LRO

>>16240386
SHUT THE FUCK UP

https://youtu.be/fexhUB5VGuI

>>16240512
thumbnail looks like shittle is on a crossbow

>>16240218
Droneship is going to catch them with chopsticks? Imagine how much the tower will swing if the sea is not perfectly calm

>>16240507
>photos taken right before disaster

>>16240516
I don't think oil rigs move around all that much even in high seas

>>16240468
why am i only seeing this on /sfg/? nobody else is talking about it.

>>16240330
You can't put the whole Mars in a jar

~$250 standard A4 paper sized dish. Probably consumes ~30-40watts of power and gets ~100Mbps speed. If they cut the monthly in half for this, shits gonna be selling like hot cakes

https://x.com/techAU/status/1802620624269152559

>>16240452
Same logic applies to Mars, but do you want it to forever?

How many of these stations will get cancelled?
>Lunar Gateway
>Axiom Station
>ROS
>Starlab
>Orbital Reef
>Indian Station
>Vast Haven 1
>Sierra Space LIFE
I think Orbital Reef might be behind schedule and not needed by the time it’s viable.

>>16240518
REDDIT ALERT

>>16240533
what is reddit

>>16240532
Easy
>reef
>sierra
>ros
>starlab 50/50
Rest AGMI

>>16240507
>the iss flies over the red sea and israel
i wonder if they saw any of the action

>>16240536
>ros
I think they’ll get at least two segments up but I see why people are skeptical

>>16240532
gateway, axiom, and vast are guaranteed to survive, but only one of starlab and orbital reef will make it since it's a winner take all competition.

>>16240419
Pretty sure she's cute

>>16240542
Pretty sure youre black

>>16240530
See >>16240437
The atrium areas will be full of plants and full spectrum light. If I can spend my retirement years shuffling through that at 1/3rd G on the way to Mars Waffle House, I will.

>>16240549
Also
>space retirement homes
I think this could be viable in the near/middle future. Separate rich old people from their money in return for low G on their achy joints. Null G would probably not go over very well with geriatrics, but low G might not be bad. Better mobility and less consequential falls. Plus, they don't go out much anyways and probably wouldn't mind soft, bland foods (zee bugz).

>>16240526
That's where you're wrong, fucko.
Bubble worlds soon.

>>16240554
After conception/gestation and early childhood development, geriatrics it probably the most important thing to study the impacts of low G on

>>16240558
Donald Trump is so cool

>>16240566
And geriatric

>>16240567
Based and offtopic
>>16240566
>>16240558
Cringe and offtopic

>>16240567
After watching Trump's interview with Logan Paul, I've realized he's operating on an energy level so far above the average male I can't comprehend it. Inspirational, powerful

>>16240569
Low energy, sad

>>16240575
Blud has L rizz :skull;

>>16240569
This post >>16240558 is on topic, your TDS is not.

sabresat BTFO skylon holy shit
america wins again

>>16239737
are space stations more similar to a boat or trailer house?

SpaceX should rebrand as RocketX if they aren't going to build space stations.

>>16240604
They are you complete fucking moron the PDR is 2028 for CSS variant Starships.

>>16240541
>vast
> guaranteed to survive
Why tho? Isn't it just a scam like the others?

>putin arrived in north korea
>transfer of space technology to north korea is likely on the agenda
norks on mars soon

Ok this guy is baiting above with that shitty Vast message. Do not respond to concern trolling /sfg/ looks like the thread splitting tourist is still here subverting the peace

>>16240611
vast is backed by a billionaire, its similar to polaris dawn, though i think they should get into the manned missions game like axiom is. instead they're just leapfrogging straight into a space station.

>>16240611
It's a scam, but they are signing agreements with other scam organizations like ESA

>>16240613
with russian space capabilities backing him expect kim to announce a mission of landing thousands of debris-shaped probes on the Martian surface.

>>16240618
Still voting for Trump :)

>>16240637
Go ahead? When did I ever mention that. Do you think I'm >>16240569? Because I'm not.

https://youtu.be/0vwofMCuPcs
New Eager droppee today: Is Elon Right?

interesting video about venus
https://youtu.be/KYtoOM-YUbg

>>16240650
>why is venus so hot
too many carbs gave it a thicc atmosphere
planets need to watch their carb intake

>>16240650
AI will terraform Venus, or else The Fermi Paradox will Great Filter

>>16240648
I'll save you some time:
Yes.

>>16240152
Nice vulcanian haircut.

>>16240650
>CO2 denialism
Reported

>>16240670
The video says no, Elon was wrong

>>16240650
i think it's cute when boomers do these little powerpoint presentations. reminds me of my book reports growing up

>>16240689
>>16240650
How do schizos always manage to find eachother?

>>16240507
What's with the shit stain?

>>16240613
>Russia gives nuclear-capable North Korea ICBMs just to fuck with China

>>16239595
fuck off you risk-averse faggot.

>>16240613
how hard would it be for north korea to make a apollo light mission with just one person in a tiny capsule who just places a north korean flag on moon, makes a picture takes a rock and flies back? i guess they could put the cost a lot down by not having high saftey and comfort requirements as russia or usa.

>>16240747
you expect them to be able to handle deep space navigation when they can't even build a computer?

>>16239607
Was supposed to be today, delay to NET 22nd.

>>16240755
apollo didnt have computers

>>16240758
yes they did, and more importantly they had a large american computer industry that knew how to build ad-hoc hardware to handle rendezvous in lunar orbit.

>forgets to mention the computer was programmed by a woman

>>16240763
a Black woman, not a white one

>>16240765
A lesbian woman, not a straight one.

Haven't been here for the last week any news on a new heatshiled design?

>>16240784
no because despite elon's claims that spacex is open source, they actually keep the important information a secret because they're afraid of competition

>>16240786
They also don't want to release footage from the internal cameras reeee

>The Pathfinder aircraft was designed to take off with its turbofan engines, and climb to approximately 6,000 m where it would rendezvous with a tanker aircraft. The tanker would transfer 59 metric tons of liquid oxygen to the Pathfinder. After disconnecting from the tanker, the spaceplane ignited its rocket engine and climbed to an altitude of 110 km and a speed of Mach 15. Now on a suborbital trajectory outside the atmosphere, Pathfinder would open its payload bay doors, and release the payload with a liquid rocket upper stage. An expendable solid propellant upper stage could deliver a 2100 kg payload to a 300 km 30 degree orbit. Meanwhile Pathfinder would close its payload bay doors and re-enter the atmosphere. After slowing down to subsonic speeds, the turbofan engines would be restarted and the aircraft flown to a landing field. It was estimated that the price per launch could profitably be set as low as $7 million, 3 to 4 times lower than the price using the Taurus expendable launch vehicle
>As a piloted aircraft, Pathfinder could be tested incrementally. Unlike expendable vehicles, which must be flight tested all at once on the first attempt, the Pathfinder could work up to an orbital delivery flight incrementally, biting off small additional chunks of risk on succeeding flights. The aircraft would be fully tested before the rocket engine was ever ignited. Dry hook-ups with the tanker would be demonstrated before Lox was transferred. Tanking with liquid nitrogen would be done to qualify the mechanisms before Lox was loaded, and so on throughout the flight test program
> Pathfinder used conventional airbreathing engines for takeoff and landing. These engines allowed the aircraft to be operated normally for ferrying itself. The rocketplane could even be flown to a satellite manufacturer's facility for satellite pickup. Liquid oxygen was only loaded in the air, significantly reducing launch site hazards.
http://www.astronautix.com/p/pathfinder.html

>>16240295
You're an idiot

>>16240597
They're like neither cause both boats and campers have to be situated on land.

>>16240812
you fell for it

>>16240819
Mate I've met flatearthers irl that think rockets can't work in space because you need oxygen to burn.
If you think there aren't people dumb enough to think firearms need oxygen to fire then you need to touch grass.

>>16240823
pretty sure the flat Earth think Rockets don't work in space because they don't have atmosphere to push off of

>>16240786
>elon's claims that spacex is open source
Not patenting shit != "open source".

>>16240824
I don't know what to tell you man other than I met a flat earther in a bar who argued rockets can't work in space cause there no atmospheric oxygen to burn.

Reminder that we are beaming back gigabytes of data from Mars every week

>>16240829
All faked.

>>16240760
Are analog electronics like this considered rad-proof? If that's the case, reject silicone chips retvrn to magnetic wound coil computing.

The only reason we don't have a venus rover yet is because NASA is afraid of trying something slightly different. They could simply use the nuclear power source to power a heat pump which would cool the rover.

>>16240840
I don't think that would work.

>>16240845
explain your erroneous reasoning

>>16240847
No

>>16240847
if you have plutonium on the venusian surface then the pressure will make it spontaneously implode. i've seen it happen before.

>>16240477
>only removed 1/4 of the tiles
its over. NET 3 months til next launch.

>>16240840
where do you pump the heat to?
you are in a soup of super hot gas

>>16240477
>literal building tier scaffolding on something that's actually supposed to go to space
Yeah they're not gonna make it.

>>16240073
take it easy
somebody should bring their dekayukkuri to space with them

>>16240856
well you pump it to the outside, meaning the radiator will be even hotter than ambient Venus temperature. In turn the inside of the rover will be cooled adequately.

>>16240858

>>16240859
Wouldn't that melt the radiator?

>>16240863
The Temperature on Venus is only 460 C. There's a lot of metal that could take a 100 degrees C more.

>>16240696
Wrong, video said Elon was right.

>>16240864
How many of them can you make effective radiators out of?

>>16240864
80 atmospheres of pressure and sulfuric acid is a bit of a bitch though.

>>16240862

>>16240851
You were on Venus?

>>16240868
>thinks pressure is an issue
it sure wasn't an issue for the various russian balloon probes and all the other lander than landed on Venus. Really the only problem is temperature.

>>16240872
>it sure wasn't an issue
They all lasted so long, right? Nice of you to ignore the sulfuric acid bit.

>>16240872
>it sure wasn't an issue for the various russian balloon probes and all the other lander than landed on Venus.
lmao you have no idea how huge of an issue it was for them.

>>16240875
I suspect he just recently became aware of the Venera program.

>>16240875
been watching too much popsci? cheap mass manufactured c02 cartridges hold a pressure of 60 bar. And they have wall like 2mm thick. The probes aren't gonna implode on themselves due to pressure. but they will inevitably heat up in a few hours.

>>16240878
>The probes aren't gonna implode on themselves due to pressure
Do you have any idea how many venera probes imploded under the pressure?

>>16240878
>>16240878
>cheap mass manufactured c02 cartridges hold a pressure of 60 bar
From the INSIDE. High pressure from the outside is a different story.

>>16240883
That picture is due to vacuum, but yes. A better example is Oceangate. That was a COPV vessel designed to hold pressure inside and the retards thought it'd work just as well with external pressure.

>>16240884
>That picture is due to vacuum
Smartest /sfg/ user.

>>16240885
Yes yes, pressure differentials. Trying to use fucking crayons for Mr. "High Pressure is No Big Deal" here.

>>16240884
>>16240887
Yep you watched too much popsci content about that submarine and now think 80 bars of outside pressure is some insurmountable issue.

>>16240883
>>16240884
wtf I thought you just make it negative?? Is it not that easy in pressure vessels?

>>16240889
>Muh popsci
Like what you just watched about the Venera program without looking into how well the program went?

i feel like he's talking to /sfg/

>>16240900
I love three rockets though, Falcon 9, Falcon Heavy, and Starship + Superheavy.

>>16240900
Maybe one day ULA will decide to design more than just one rocket, again and again and again.

>>16240903
>>16240904
You dont like Nova? For shame.

>>16240908
I don't like rockets designed by putting in extremely safe specs that worked in the past in excel and calling it a day.

>>16240900
but I like the Falcon Family, Starship, Electron, Neutron, and whatever Stoke's is called

>>16240911
>source my ass
Its fully fucking reusable anything with the reusable title is going for more dangerous specs any way you look it at tard. Not to mention that THEY HAD AND HOPPED A WORKING PROTOTYPE ITS NOT A POWERPOINT ROCKET

>>16240900
Tory is so right—I love Falcon 1, Falcon 9, Falcon Heavy, and Starship!

>>16240913
Stoke's is Nova but the the RL shit is lame.

>>16240900
Polyamory is degenerate.

>>16240915
We were talking about Tory and ULA. There's more than one person besides you in this thread by the way.

>>16240923
Incorrect.

>>16240878
Google the square cube law

>>16240926
fine, whatever, just don't make your pressure vessels cube-shaped

>>16240468
I hate politics and every politician
The US clearly gains nothing from this "cooperation"

>>16240469
If they don't change the profile how will they test landing and catching?

>>16240823
>dumb enough to think firearms need oxygen to fire
try making smokeless powder without oxygen, mr. smug

>>16240953
What exactly IS the benefit to uplifting other countries' space programs using our own?
Do we get something for it or what?

>>16240962
You could make a firearm with chlorine or fluorine as an oxidizer I’m sure

>>16240900
I guess Tony Burno isn't a true space enthusiast

>>16240971
I consneed

>>16240970
More stuff in orbit, more money entering your own private space agencies. Probably reliance on american launchers too.

>>16240900
Why would Tory even be on X? His company excels at a specific military contract and nothing else. Public outreach really shouldn't matter to him. There's just no hope of competition with SpaceX on that front.

>>16240829
They want even greater capability with next mars orbiter (NeMO) assuming it doesn’t get cancelled
They’re trying to tag it on to MSR though—which obviously has huge budgetary problems as it is. Maybe they can make a deal with private space companies (cough spacex) to get laser comms around Mars for cheap

>>16240978
Because tory is a human being who has interests he likes to share with the general public and not a soulless corporate automaton.

>>16240991
Yeah but it's the internet, he could just post as rocketfan61 and not have someone call him a welfare faggot every time he posts

>>16241001
He is also a CEO and probably likes both positive and negative attention.

>>16240970
Bigger global space market means that you don't have half the industry go bankrupt just because one country cancels a mission (example: Apollo)

I literally just shit in the toilet guys. It got me thinking. Does the vaccum seal on the space toilet feel good and does it make pooping easier?

>>16240837
>Are analog electronics like this considered rad-proof?

Nope. If you are analyzing an analog signal from say, an accelerometer sensor, radiation can hit the wires between the sensor and the processor, giving a bit of energy to the wire and distorting the amplitude. There are ways to mitigate errors and spikes of energy through various means, but they are still susceptible.

>>16241012
why does antarctica have no snow on it in that picture?

>>16241012
Can you just ignore the problem with redundant sensors, voting computers, and RAID arrays?

>>16241012
billion gate fluidic processors when?

space flight general? More like space fantasy general lmfao. Star trek was a tv show guys. Fucking nerds.

>>16241056
>batemanposting
incel vibes

imagine if russia spent all this money not on ukraine but on colonizing the moon

>>16241059
tranny vibes

>>16240031
>>16240048
Earth's oceans don't count as solid surface area.

>>16241061
Imagine if a chimp spent all his time not throwing his own shit but on practicing baseball.

>>16241071
But the ocean floor does.

>>16241059
oops I mean space fraud general not space fantasy general. This place is good record of elon's frauds.

>>16241056
Been saying this since 2019!

>>16240857
He say's to the programme that was started with a bunch of Mexicans welding water towers, I'll give it a year before they start building a dedicated tiling scaffold for QA checks and maintenance in one of the high bays

we arent going to get orbital shipyards until after 2060 are we?

>>16241094
>he doesn't know

>>16241074
At what point do you exclude surface area?
the ocean floor is high pressure enough in most places to require heavily reinforced habs with high material costs and the lack of sunlight makes solar power infeasible too.
Those are some pretty high barriers to self-sustaining habitation.

>>16241102
You do not exclude surface area because the only thing making something land is that it be natural and in fixed supply.
The ocean surface is natural and in fixed supply, the ocean floor is natural and of fixed supply. The surface of venus is natural and of fixed supply. A speck of dust in the asteroid belt is natural and of fixed supply.
All these things are land.

>>16241107
the surface of jupiter is natural and in fixed supply.
Your obsession with the legal definition of land (entirely artificial and created by a human) is driving you to absurdities.

>>16241107
If all you care about is natural and fixed supply why are you measuring it in terms of surface area and not volume or mass?

>>16241110
>the surface of jupiter
Jupiter has no surface, being a gas giant and all.
Also the definition of land I'm using economic, not legal. The legal definition of land is very different.
>>16241111
Nice quads.
I do not measure it in terms of surface area. I just pointed out that map as a useful gauge for how much less land there is in the solar system than you'd expect.

>>16241116
It does have a surface, actually.
The core of Jupiter is solid due to the high pressure.
Is that also land, or will you admit that the 'economic' definition is almost entirely useless in extremis?

>abandons planetary chauvinism
>gets land area equal to hundreds of Earths

>>16241124
>The core of Jupiter is solid due to the high pressure.
I had heard that the core of jupiter is liquid metallic hydrogen.

>>16241124
Didn't mean to hit reply.
Anyways I see no reason to deny jupiter is land and see no absurdity in this. It's natural and in fixed supply, if we keep draining jupiter of it's atmosphere it'll eventually run out. It acts economically the same as any other land.

>>16241127
>be astronomy fag
>create definition of metal that includes everything except hydrogen and helium
>decide that actually hydrogen can be a metal too if it’s high enough pressure
why are they like this?

>>16240883
Make the pressure inside higher than pressure outside. Simple

>>16241046
Powerful fluidic computers would be extremely useful in early space colonisation, as they do not require a large industrial base, just a 3d printer. A 3d printer can be run on a rasberry pi, which has something like 4 billion transistors. How small can fluidic gates be made anyway?

>>16241127
that's just a layer, at the core is all the solid stuff that fell into Jupiter over the years and solid bits of the planetesimal that Jupiter started out as.

its over

>Florida residents raised concerns Monday night about the disruptive noise and possible infrastructure damage if Starship ramps up launches from Florida’s space coast.
>Residents of the Space Coast—already plugging their ears during frequent Falcon 9 launches—implored the FAA to study and mitigate sound levels that weekly Starship launches could impose on their community.
>“We need to come up with a mitigation plan to where we don’t destroy our beloved structures in the area in the name of progress in space exploration,” said Brad Whitmore, a resident of Cocoa Village, 20 miles from the launch site.
>The FAA will take more comments from the public on the draft before issuing its final decision, a process that could take up to a year.
https://payloadspace.com/faa-ends-public-comments-for-starship-expansion-at-ksc

>>16241132
Astronomers didn't create the definition of metal, blame chemists for that.

>>16241157
Seems like a reasonable enough ask. Just plant a bunch of tall trees or build a sound suppression wall or something around the whole space coast.

>Move next to the most famous rocket launch site in the world
>WTF rockets are launching!
I hope the FAA tells them to fuck off.

Anyone remember the stabilo rocket from arca?

>>16241165
Propellant is stored in the balls

>>16241165
I never really paid attention to gypsy water heater thieves.

>>16241157
>Billions must go deaf
Said "beloved structures" being your typical American suburban sprawl. NIMBY's knew what they were getting.

>>16241170
This is from before that.

>>16241160
then they will say that the view is being ruined

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TXDedBlyBI

Boeing shambles teleconference.

>>16241157
Once we live in the void of space we won't have to deal with NIMBY's anymore.
Land is the problem.

>>16241178
>Starliner return now NET 26th
Short that shit instead of Tesla, CSS.

>>16241182
When was it supposed to come back?

>>16241182
mission is going so well it’s getting extended, just like dragon demo.
Boeing haters in shambles

>>16241185
june 14

>>16241188
lmao
They're gonna have to come back on a dragon.

>>16241181
anon, we already deal with space NIMBYs they're called NIMOs and they repeat 'kessler syndrome' incessantly.

>Discussing the five reaction control system (RCS) thrusters that failed during flight, Stich said they performed a hot fire test over the weekend and coming out of that, they "feel very confident" in their performance.

>They did not fire one of the thrusters that acted up during rendezvous (the one that was left off). It will remain off during the return trip.
It's all good boeing bros

>>16241195
>"feel very confident"
Not words you want to hear from a Boeing rep.

>>16241193
>they're called NIMOs
I thought they were called ground based astronomers?

>>16240663
Thats so hecking cool I FUCKING LOVE SCIENCE UPVOTED!11

>>16241197

>We saw leak rates going down
Yeah, that's a natural side effect of it draining out, retards.

>>16241160
That would have to be thousands of fully grown redwoods to have any effect

>>16241185
It was suppose to come back?

>>16241185
June 14th, then NET 22nd, now NET 26th.

>>16240926
>issuing vague posts because he can't debunk my sound argument directly. By the way the square cube low works in favor of larger pressure vessels. So if those tiny c02 cartridges at 60 bar have no problems...

>>16241132
wait until you meet biologists. They consider birds dinosaurs and coconut palms are grasses.

>>16241201
Like how Nauka successfully stopped thrusting the station around due to running out of propellent.

>>16241221
Amazing how that works, isn't it?

I guess Musk shouldn't have been so quick to sell off those oil rigs

>>16241199
Nice to see some positivecomments to my reply for once

>>16241225
Where did you get this image?????

>>16241157
Help I bought property near the busiest aerospace facility in history waaaaah why do I hear all these rocket noises??!1!?!!1!!one!

>>16241225
cool art style if it’s OC

>>16241157
>20 miles from the launch site.
WTF I doubt he would even hear the launch that far out, get fucking real

>>16241244
Nikola Tesla could hear lightning from 200 miles away.

starbase has cost $3 billion to build so far
https://x.com/SheriffGarza/status/1803089804768223543

>>16241250
And Elon just got paid over $47bn from Tesla.
Who cares?

>>16241250
Already shaping up to be another SLS in price

>>16241250
It probably cost significantly more. As if they would spend this little on the biggest project they got going. They probably spend just $500B on engine alone.

>>16241258
$500 million*

>>16241257
Didn't sls cost over 20 billion before it's first flight?

>>16241225

>>16241284
>shittle on the moon
Truly a dark era this was produced

>Stich says these additional issues that they're working through could shift the certification dates for Starliner before the full crew rotation mission (Starliner-1)
No shit, I doubt NASA will let them launch their leaky ass again

Guys, does this mean dream chaser has a chance?

>>16241157
>don’t destroy our beloved structures in the area in the name of progress in space exploration
I'd be willing to destroy a lot more than that

>self sustaining Mars city staffed with the best and brightest
but
>everyone left on Earth dies including you
Would you push the button?

>>16241299
>assuming button has godlike powers and is guaranteed to work
Holy shit yes please slam that fucking button IMMEDIATLY

>>16241299
Define best and brightest.

>>16241244
I watched a shuttle go up from Cocoa Beach, and I could feel it in my chest, I'm sure they could at least hear Starship from across the Intercoastal

>>16239887
What is the purpose of that insulated truss structure in the middle?

>>16240970
yes, promises to never boycott Israel

>>16241306
You know :)

>>16241250
God bless Elon, and SpaceX too!

>>16241313
aryan civilization? I will press the button.
They can repopulate Earth in their image.

>>16241304
you're just suicidal, aren't you.

Its over for fakeport boca chica, tropical storm incoming and no one told them. all the cranes are still up. no fucks given.

>>16241284
KEK

>>16241340
TS is a nothingburger and it isn't even hitting them head on.

>>16241333
He probably just knows he's one of the best and brightest.

>>16241333
Why dont you fuck off to /esg/ >>16228997 earther scum

>>16241218
The Starship should be bigger than that, since the inner ring of engines extends beyond the 9 meter tankage diameter.

>>16241173
It's gonna be so cool when all that gets leveled by one super heavy launch

>>16241250
3B for entire starbase factory, and OLM, and tower, and all the utility infrastructures

>>16239590
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKadCi_INZo

Could you make clay bricks just by adding water to Martian dirt? The chemical composition is similar. Is there some complicated reason why not?

>>16240900
Falcon 5, I still remember you...

>>16241159
Chemists aren't the ones calling carbon a metal. That's astronomers.

>>16241488
don't you need to cook bricks n shiet otherwise they will just crack

>>16241377
thanks for letting me know didn't even know that general existed.