/sci/ - Science & Math

first for based pebbles

>>16236724
https://archive [dot] ph/D2zIG

Lets hear your /sfg/ hot takes

>the final iteration of starship tiles are going to be almost as much of a pain as shuttle tiles, but it will be fine because they will have more than 5 ships to cycle through
>SMART reuse would have been good if they stuck with it
>reusable booster expendable second stage (falcon 9 clones, if you will) will be a commercially viable rocket architecture for the next half century at least.

>>16236724
* wipes out your fruity pebbles *

>>16236738
>tiles
I could see this happening. We could have seen much higher launch rates with the shuttle if there had been 10-12 orbiters, although I'm not sure if that sort of flight rate could have saved the program's economics

>SMART reuse
It would have been great if someone had bothered with it twenty years ago

>reusable booster expendable second stage
This might not be true, but I can see it kinda working out that way anyway just because it's what made SpaceX successful and everyone is going to take twice as long to catch up to where they are now

>>16236708

>>16236738
Starship tiles will not be a Criticality 1 because the steel is invincible

>>16236717
>>16236159
It must be powered by some massive fissile stockpile with a very long half life. It has to be built like a pyramid and designed to stay put for millions of years. As long as cheap penny pinching democratic governments aren't financing it, it's doable.

>>16236733
>chatGPT slop
I hope you realize that none of the information these things put out is accurate.

>>16236738
Will each tile be its own custom shape like on the Shuttle or will they be interchangeable?

>>16236755
it's not a leak of secret information, it's just a simple deductive argument from publicly available information. Not even a novel argument, many here and elsewhere have connected these dots before, but it's amusing because it's Elon's own chatbot doing the connecting this time.

>>16236763
Chatbots can't make deductive arguments or any kind of argument at all. All it's doing is regurgitating information from its training data with no ability to check if that information is actually correct or not. In fact, the ONLY things it checks for are if the next word it spits out fits with the context of the previous words, and if the word is commonly used after the previous word.

>>16236769
>muh stochastic parrot argument

that's been debunked try to keep up

>>16236770
Has it? Do you have a source for that?

>>16236775
yes:

While the "stochastic parrot" metaphor raises important concerns about large language models (LLMs), there are compelling arguments that LLMs are more than just statistical mimicry. Here are several key points suggesting that LLMs aren't mere "stochastic parrots":

1. Generalization and novel combinations: LLMs can generate coherent responses to prompts they haven't seen verbatim during training. They combine concepts in novel ways, suggesting a capacity for generalization beyond rote memorization.

2. Few-shot learning: LLMs exhibit an impressive ability to learn from a small number of examples and apply that learning to new situations. This adaptability is hard to explain if they are simply regurgitating patterns.

3. Emergent abilities: LLMs demonstrate capabilities, such as basic arithmetic, commonsense reasoning, and even coding, that aren't explicitly part of their training data. These emergent abilities hint at a deeper understanding of language and concepts.

4. Consistency over long contexts: LLMs can maintain coherence and consistency over long generated passages, keeping track of topics, entities, and previous statements. This level of contextual awareness suggests more than superficial pattern matching.

5. Sensitivity to subtle prompts: LLMs can pick up on nuances and implications in prompts, generating responses that are situationally appropriate. This sensitivity to context and subtext goes beyond simple word association.

6. Engaging in dialogue: LLMs can engage in back-and-forth conversations, building upon previous exchanges and asking relevant questions. This interactivity suggests a capacity for tracking and participating in the flow of ideas.

7. Multilingual capabilities: Some LLMs can operate in multiple languages, exhibiting similar competencies across linguistic boundaries. This hints at a more general language understanding rather than just memorizing patterns in a single language.

>>16236758
the vast majority will be one design but there are several locations on the ship with unique tiles. these are probably also some of the most critical and easily damaged areas

>>16236779
While these points don't prove that LLMs possess genuine intelligence or understanding, they do suggest that the "stochastic parrot" framing is overly simplistic. LLMs are exhibiting behaviors that are difficult to dismiss as mere statistical approximation. As our understanding of language and cognition advances, the debate around the nature of intelligence in LLMs is likely to evolve. For now, the most constructive path forward may be to recognize both the impressive capabilities and the current limitations of these models, while actively researching ways to develop AI systems that are more transparent, accountable, and aligned with human values.

>>16236756
>unless the ablative part just just the backup in case they lose a tile.
that is the case, obviously
>>16236769
>"Chatbots can't make deductive arguments or any kind of argument at all."
It demonstrably did.
>nooooo it doesn't count because the machine doesn't have a soul
Irrelevant.
>"with no ability to check if that information is actually correct or not."
It doesn't need to, because the reader can. The basic claims presented in that argument are factually correct. The premise of Brilliant Pebbles, the origins of the DC-X project, Mike Griffin's relationship to both space-based interception projects and SpaceX, the requirement for Brilliant Pebbles of being able to put massive number of satellites into LEO, and SpaceX's ability to do so. All of these are true, even if you don't like hearing them said by an LLM. Connecting the dots between them is trivial to anybody with an ounce of creativity and curiosity, the LLM is not the first to do so and probably got the idea to do so from others anyway.

>>16236779
pro-tip, tell the LLM to avoid the use of lists in your prompt.

>>16236779
>suggesting
>hard to explain
>hint at
>suggests
All I'm hearing here is that LLM are the new blockchain when it comes to hyping up VC bros into giving away their money

>>16236787
block chains can't write book reports for grade schoolers

>>16236717
Deep down I want starliner to fail spectacularly and set oldspace back so BO and SpaceX can dunk on crusty boeing boomers but I dont want test astronauts to die.

>>16236784
>"We built a machine that produces incorrect answers to questions. This is an important step forward in Artificial Intelligence because you're capable of finding the right answers on your own."

>>16236790
While that would be greatly amusing (ideally without killing any astronauts), it will soon be irrelevant anyway. When SpaceX catch the Starship booster in a few weeks it will be truly over for old space anyway.

>>16236789
Neither can LLMs

>>16236790
It is indeed a quandary.

>>16236792
yeah, I know and I can't wait. the seethe will be hilarious

>>16236791
You keep saying the machine is wrong, but what you really mean is you can't be certain the machine is right, while also being unable to actually falsify anything the machine said. You could say the same about any argument made by any human.
>but the human COULD verify what it said
Did the human? Do posts on /sfg/ come with extensive citations up front? Sometimes yes, but usually no. Does that mean you shouldn't take any claim at face value? Sure, check anything you like yourself. You can also check what the LLM claimed. Only a fool would blindly trust anything an LLM claims.

>>16236794
I don't know what rock you're living under, but students are already using LLMs to write their book reports and other school essays and teachers are pretty livid about it.

>>16236792
I'm not sure Starliner is going to be irrelevant that soon. It's already obsolete, but the number of orbital destinations is going to increases rapidly going into the 2030s and we don't have that much in terms of crew launch capacity. We have four operational Crew Dragons plus a fifth on the way, as well as two Starliners, that are going to need to move crew to at least three stations. There'll be enough of a demand for Boeing to find work for its capsules if they're interested in perusing it.

>>16236803
>I'm not sure Starliner is going to be irrelevant that soon.
It's going to be irrelevant as soon as we run out of atlas 5 rockets.
No way boeing will foot the bill to human rate vulcan and redesign the adapter to fit on it.

>>16236763
OK schizo lmao

>>16236779
People are learning that they aren't as "conscious" as they thought they were, and the response has been outright denial. The only thing holding artificial intelligence back is the lack of a body, the mechanical things we can construct are just downright primitive.

>>16236804
Vulcan itself will be a horse buggy once Starship starts in earnest. The entire space industry, both old space and the new space startups, will be totally left in the dust. Such a hilarious overpower mogging hasn't been seen before in our lifetimes, possibly ever. Honestly, even horses got a more graceful phase out.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/14/us/politics/boeing-airbus-titanium-faa.html

A chinese company has faked papers and sold subpar titanium to boeing (and airbus and other companies)
Wonder if any of that made it's way on starliner;

>>16236811
this would be the least of starliner's concerns at this point.

>>16236813
How is that going anyway?
i know there where some leaks and even main stream media has been reporting on it, but how bad is it really?
Is it still safe enough to return to earth?

>>16236815
They don't know yet. My guess is they'll probably do it, but it seems like they're still evaluating the situation.

>>16236779
>>16236783
>AS AN AI LANGUAGE MODEL HERE IS WHY I AM ACTUALLY USEFUL OKAY PLEASE DON'T STOP USING ME EVERY TIME YOU ASK ME SOMETHING AND I GIVE A BULLSHIT ANSWER IT MAKES OPENAI'S STOCK GO UP

>>16236815
They shut down the helium manifold after they docked so the leaking stopped. It'll start back up when they reactivate the thrusters but it's fine until then. They have something like 80 hours of gas left at the current leak rate and they only need a few hours of that to run through their earth return maneuvers, so it shouldn't pose a risk to the crew. That said, it's not a great look that they weren't able to fix the problem after OFT-2.

>>16236819
this >>16236733 is elon musk's LLM, not openai's. please try to get a grip, you're clearly in denial:
>LLMs can't write book reports because... I just don't want to believe they can okay?? nevermind that literal children have already figured out how to make them do this

>>16236825
>i-it's elon musk's LLM so i-it's better than other LLMs even though it's the exact same technology just without a filter to keep it from saying nigger

What are the most realistic ways starship will flop?
>Barely reusable - turns out heat tiles needs to be replaced every 3 flights, or engines seem to always fail after 10 uses, etc.
>Unreliable - flight test 4 was lucky. It turns out these things have a high chance of blowing up. New problems keep popping up every few flights
>no market - turns out all those "private space station" projects were grifts, and Starship isn't even economical for starlink satilights, and NASA doesn't have any 100t things to put into LEO
>sea turtle rebellion

>>16236830
>What are the most realistic ways starship will flop?
On it's belly.

Elon Musk is a Nazi.

>>16236830
>no market - turns out all those "private space station" projects were grifts, and Starship isn't even economical for starlink satilights, and NASA doesn't have any 100t things to put into LEO
sweet pea, the US military contracts alone will pay for the development.

>>16236738
>SMART reuse would have been good if they stuck with it
Would have been good for ULA, since they make a living off building and selling tanks and launches, not engines.

>>16236828
Racism outside /b/

>>16236748
those cloud shock waves are kino of the highest order

>>16236830
I'd say engines. If they can't be a combination of expected performance and reusable

>>16236733
>>16236763
It's literally just paraphrasing mainstream media and wikipedia here, the AI isn't doing any kind of "deduction."

>>16236779
lmao this is quality bait

>>16236717
Who took the picture?

>>16236856
Wikipedia doesn't argue that spacex is trying to build brilliant pebbles, and I don't think many/any mainstream articles do either. It would be more accurate to state that it's pulling facts from wikipedia and mainstream articles and paraphrasing BP theories from internet comments that string those facts into the deductive narrative it presents.

>>16236857
hehee

all hands on deck

>>16236860
fake astroNOT on the international SCAM station!!

>>16236853
>flop
They are always boasting about how chamber pressure is getting higher and higher, but thhat clearly eats into engine lifespan

>>16236738
>expendable second stage
Next step is figuring out how to turn the upper stages into tugs on orbit.

>>16236891
Another inflatable SLS, why has nobody made a SLS cake yet? Cowards.

>>16236834
Starship is like SUSTAIN for an entire brigade.

>>16236878
>thhat clearly eats into engine lifespan
Clearly?

>>16236811
>yfw the Starliner's helium tanks and valves are made of 100% pure Chinesium

>>16236897
You can't. For those stages to be useful as tugs you'd need a way to refuel them on orbit, which you can't do without launching more fuel on more fully expendable rockets. It's an economic model that can't be closed.

>>16236891
Inflatable, just like its budget.

>>16236811
>Buying off China
Get what you fucking deserve.

How can SpaceX compete?

>>16236923
By creating reusable inflatable rockets.

>>16236891
Take the knee, SLS!

>>16236830
>no market -
that aint no problem as spacex creates its own supply and demand. That followed by as soon as retards figure out the value of getting tonnage cheap to LEO it leads to constructing whatever you want in whatever configuration you want to send wherever you want. No more ultra over engineering with exotic material to account for 1 million+ possible failure scenarios

just make it cheap and robust enough and away it goes

>>16236923
damn, that thing looks a lot bigger on the launch pad

>>16236717

>>16236930
>make cheap rocket
>cancel it because yanks offer you an amazing deal
Brits may be retarded

>>16236908
>driving my car with the foot down in 1st gear everywhere doesnt cause any damage

>>16236875
All hands on dick

>>16236957
steel dick
steel chode
steel didldo

>>16236948
In their defense it was the early seventies and Europe wasn't nearly as familiar with how willing America was to screw with them on spaceflight issues

>>16236967
The british had been around the block their fair share of times by then, they had no excuse for being naive in matters of geopolitics.

I got the “you’re not a doctor” bullshit from utter idiots in response. Yeah, I’m not a fucking doctor, but I do oversee the design of spaceships with life support systems that keep astronauts alive and healthy in a goddam vacuum!

>>16236982
doctors are shit, all the real work is done by nurses and surgeons (and all they're really good for is fixing wounds). with doctors it's always
>you have X and there's nothing I can do about it
or
>you have X so take these pills which will cause even more problems
>oh the pills didn't even fix X? take these other pills instead then...

>>16236986
I could beat you to a curb in a street fight. Just saying. Wherr Is your mom at?

>>16236980
>>16236967
>>16236948
that money was better spent on the nhs. i love the nhs.

>>16236930
Starship does kind of rely on exotic materials though. Namely two: the engine internals that need to resist the corrosive effects of high pressure oxygen, and the heat shield tiles. That's why I like Stoke Space, they're less reliant on very strong materials science. They're also less proven, so I guess that balances out.

>>16237002
if you beat me up, I'd rather go to surgeons and nurses than to a doctor!

Just got done drinking and now it's time to discuss all matters related to Elon Musk.

the next multi-trillion dollar industry will be space based
how do we get in early?

Back before SLS launched there was a /sfg/ thread were we all shat over SLS and one anon wrote something along the lines of
> you all are hating on SLS but you will COOM anyways when it launches
However I did not coom when SLS launched nor was it an exceptionally exciting launch. Therefore this anon has been proven wrong.

>>16237012
I'll beat you down again. I'm s doctor in beatdownehytboinomics. I graduated sum a cumbeatdown at Beatdown State University it's not just a colored college anymore. We got advanced watermelon studies, shoemaking, java script, beat downs, fat white women psychology, you know. I'll beat you down real nice sugar tits. Jews started all the wars

>>16237014
>how do we get in early?
investing would not be a good strategy as proven by the efficient market hypothesis which brainlets continue to deny but the math doesn't care about your feelings

>>16237014
invent a cheap but effective space suit

>>16237016
advantages of SLS (exhaustive list)
>1. solid boosters sound cool
>2. jobs in alabama

50 advantages of the SLS rocket
jobs in:
Alabama
Alaska
Arizona
Arkansas
California
Colorado
Connecticut
Delaware
Florida
Georgia
Hawaii
Idaho
Illinois
Indiana
Iowa
Kansas
Kentucky
Louisiana
Maine
Maryland
Massachusetts
Michigan
Minnesota
Mississippi
Missouri
Montana
Nebraska
Nevada
New Hampshire
New Jersey
New Mexico
New York
North Carolina
North Dakota
Ohio
Oklahoma
Oregon
Pennsylvania
Rhode Island
South Carolina
South Dakota
Tennessee
Texas
Utah
Vermont
Virginia
Washington
West Virginia
Wisconsin
Wyoming

>>16237025
and much higher c3 than LEOCONSTELLATIONship

>>16237014
I've been thinking about it for a long while. It's important to keep in mind that even if the technology for a space industry becomes available in the next few years, it's likely the market won't respond to it for even a decade if not more, and many companies can go under in the meanwhile and so your investment plans. Wishing I could've dumped money into SeX forever ago, but it wouldn't have gotten where it is today if it were public. Maybe some other sector(s) that'll supply to the space companies, but can't think of any predictions now.

>>16237014
invest early into commercial deep space construction or mining companies.

>>16237013
I honestly love him, he is actively trying to make America great again.

>>16237013
Just started drinking and I am tired of Musk's redditry

>>16237032
and twittery

I am going to laugh out loud when they land on Luna before us

>>16237025
silence, congress slut

>>16237047
what will you do if they don't?
(Totally impossible, I know)

>>16237047
Chinamen can time travel back to before 1969?

>>16236738
holy shit, those teeth are going to give me nightmares

>>16236741
wtf does MC Escher have to do with anything?

>>16236738
It's cute how Tory's lips matching the Vulcan mascots lips

>>16236833
I wish

>>16237053
if they don't then we're going to have to deal with you know;
>first person of color on the moon
>first non binary on the moon
>first lgbt flag on the moon
on and on... and on
I need China to mog us just for this one time

https://x.com/mcrs987/status/1802048062795534685

Now that we know Super Heavy will have 35 Raptors.

>>16237064
so will you cry or something?
eat a hat and post it here?

>>16237057
>1969
that was so long ago it doesn't matter anymore,
the same reason why no one gives a fuck the Vikings landed in America centuries before the Spanish did with Columbus.

Explain to me why there exists an actual patent for a Nazi flying saucer.

https://patents.google.com/patent/DE2529684A1/en?inventor=Bruno+Schwenteit

So when artemis lands i will stop jelquing. How big will my peener be when humans land on the moon.

>>16237064
she has a cute name and she's cute from certain angles, but she'd be like a 7/10 in shanghai

>>16237074
>A vehicle that uses regular combustion in atmo and an ion engine in outer space
Lame also pic related

>>16237064
You just know American space enthusiast zoomer females are going to look up to Wang Yaping instead of "woman" astronauts from their own country, when she becomes the first woman to go to the Moon.

>>16237082
Do you happen to know what the OHW code means?
And why does it say pending on the main page if it was rejected?

>>16237064
>>16237095
Go back to china

>>16237095
There isn't enough Russian tech left to go to the moon

>>16237095
I will congratulate the chinese if they get there.
It just doesn't look like it right now.
Domestically, I think the only thing that would happen if they did get there before artemis would be a thorough investigation into artemis, maybe even a complete restructuring. If Musk is perceived to be holding it up, he and SpaceX may catch all the blame.

Hypothetical time. Could you have a Mars like planet which retains its atmosphere in a far off solar system, because a hot jupiter near to the star outgasses replenishing the mars planets atmopshere?

look at this little cutie

>>16237129
big fan of these guys, nothing else like em

>>16237134
turn these moons into rotating space stations
>for the belters!!!

>>16237134
how come nobody ever told me hale-bopp was bigger than phobos? that's kinda crazy

>>16237147
Phobos and Deimos are actually a joke. Mars doesn't deserve them.

>>16237146
those are comets not Saturn's moons dumb dumb
though some of Saturn's smaller moons would be a prime targets for belter lyfe

>>16237047
I am going to laugh out loud when their spacecraft suddenly falls apart halfway to the moon because some chainsmoking manager at a factory decided to embezzle a few dollars by using low quality materials.

>>16237149
The joke was Bottomos.

>>16237168
fake.

>>16237069
Not sure I understand the play here of going so quickly to 35 engines
They don't even utilize fully the 33 they have now
Unless V2 is such a drastic rengineering they might as well include it

Why is the sun rising ar 2-3 AM at this time of the year?
>captcha: 8j0ys2

>>16237134
>>16237153
>>16237146

>>16237201
what a rat's nest. Saturn needs to do some housekeeping

what can all those people actually be doing.

>>16237193
I am betting they want redundancy for the center ring of engines. Total speculation, but the current weight of the booster might be so high that they can't afford even a single engine out on the center three engines, but if they kick it up to five, they retain the ability to gimble and might be able to sustain a single engine out scenario.

>>16237153
>Methone
what happens here?

>>16236748
>thrust plume is so intense it punches a literal hole in the cloud layer
based

2 months is a long time to wait for IFT-5. what's happening in the meantime besides screamliner hijinks?

>we never made a plane to travel faster then SR71
>60 years and counting
>lockheed just makes up more shit to blow up peoples asses for government funding like boeing scams
>anons think space anything other then shooting internet satellites into orbit for big tech surveillance will ever happen

gonna be real comfy the day spaceX shuts down and elon runs off with all the scam money for his X idpol AI bots ego projects and china collapses before landing on moon.

>>16237253
Uhhhhh... second tower is being built, so we'll at least see that happen over time. We got the environmental review happening for the modifications at 39a. We'll get to see the changes to Ship 30 before they launch. Uhhhh, that's all I got.

>>16237260
>anons think space anything other then shooting internet satellites into orbit for big tech surveillance will ever happen
But it already has happened.

>>16237260
X-15 was faster
>nooo that doesn't count because it was a rocket
rockets are awesome so that makes it count even more

>it's going to be 10 years before we have any active probes outside the orbit of jupiter again (assuming dragonfly actually launches in 2028)
>uranus never
>neptune never EVER
It's not that I'm not excited for Dragonfly but goddamn. I want to see Neptune in high definition. And I don't want to wait like 10 years for the fucking thing to actually get there after it launches.
Hurry the FUCK UP Elon and make an extra large Starship that can get a probe to Neptune without spending a decade fucking around getting gravity assists.

>>16237129
>inceladus
Over before it started

>>16237149
They were put there so we could crash one each into the poles

>>16237260
>gonna be real comfy when an epoch changing technology vanishes because I'm jealous of one rich person
Get help

>>16237260
>spaceX shuts down and elon runs off with all the scam money
So all the NASA and DOD launches are a scam?

>>16237307
Space doesn't exist, anon, every launch is a scam.

>>16237309
Steak doesn't exist,,,, anon,,,,,,,,,, every lunch is a sham

>>16237312
kek

>>16237309
So how does GPS work in the middle of the ocean?

>>16237317
Implants in your brain report your position based on inertial sensing.

>>16237320
2/10 b8

>>16237309
>Space doesn't exist
this is true but you'd be surprised how easy it is to get through the firmament with a rocket.

>>16237322
Not every stupid joke is bait, anon.

IFT 5 when?

>>16237334
mid august

>>16237339
False late July

>>16237342
late july elon time. real starbase time is only starting to catch up

>>16237334
After IFT 4.

>>16237253
>polaris dawn
>crew dragon to iss

>>16236935
This guy thinks he's so funny

>>16237312
Ok I was high the other day and I got thinking. Ablative heat shields work because they burn off instead of the actual spacecraft right? So why not use shitty cheapo material rather than hyperspecialized silicates or whatever. Imagine a big slab of steak as a heatshield.

>>16237324
>kek I'm baiting
You're a retard, you will always be a retard.

>>16237260
https://boomsupersonic.com/
total bobo death

>>16237384
The point is having materials which are predictable, otherwise it burn a bit too much a bit too fast, and then you don't have a heatshield anymore

>>16236779
Fucking LOL

>>16237394
Sounds like a job for $1000 an ounce lab-grown aerospace grade steak to me. Just need to put the labs in a few swing states.

>>16237047
>Luna
Kill yourself larper

>>16237334
2 weeks

>>16237384
>Ablative heat shields work because they burn off instead of the actual spacecraft right
Not really; that description implies it's a simple matter of substitution, with the sacrificial heat shield absorbing the same heat flux as the unshielded spacecraft would have.
They work because as they burn/char, they produce exhaust gas (which is cool compared to the shock layer) that insulates the heat shield and reduces the heat flux it has to handle.

SPEHS

>>16237430
I think she is too close to the rocket

>>16237440
She is a convicted criminal on mars. This is justice.

>>16237430
that lil girl fucking dead

>>16237430
giwtwm

>>16237478
the rocket or the girl?

>>16236830
Even if Starship re-entry consistently fails couldn't they just put a cheap second stage on top of super heavy and lift massive space stations in 1-2 launches with crews going up on Dragon? No Mars but it would still change everything.

>>16237516
Aka expendable ship, the proposed lunar mission itself uses one.
It would be definitely a game changer, it's just their goal is even higher.

https://youtu.be/igbtIOBdLUg
great news from the faa, no imvestigation needed
launch can happen in 1 week, but elon said maybe in a month, meaning for sure it will happen in august or later

>>16236769
They absolutely can make arguments and they tend to be fairly rational. The main problem is when you start asking it questions and trying to nudge it in a certain direction, it seems to always want to agree with what you are saying. To the point where it just starts inventing shit. I was asking it to find the name of this rare documentary about a guy who thinks he's a vampire, made in the 2000's, and it just invented a name, cast, synopsis, everything, it was unsettling. Also I asked it to show me times when Blue Origin had delays with the New Shepard rocket and it just invented something in 2012, I asked it to provide the source and the source website was a ps4 game news website, wtf. Just don't ever rely on these things saying shit at face value

>>16237561
No, they can't make arguments because they are not capable of logic. They can APPEAR to make arguments, but they can't think. They don't have the capacity for reasoning. When you "argue" with a chatbot/LLM all it's doing is choosing what word it should pick next.

>>16236779
based
feeding someone else's shitpost into chatGPT so it can come up with a respond for me really is peak efficiency. the effect is that I can reply to one extremely low quality post with another extremely low quality post, except mine took zero brain energy on my part, but my post is still information-dense enough that the other guy needs to think about it

thanks Sam

>>16237583
Identical to humans.

>>16237583
>it doesn't have MY logic so it can't have logic at all

>>16237583
Just like you buddy

>>16237590
>>16237591
>>16237592
The difference is that I am capable of thinking about a topic and using logical reasoning outside of the space of "check if next word is common after previous word in database, check if next word fits with context, add random variation."

>>16237598
[X] Doubt

>>16237355
polaris yawn. i hope one of them dies.

>>16237598
I asked the bot and it said you're wrong.

>>16237260
>we never made a plane to travel faster then SR71
Space Shuttle

>>16237604
Not that anon but the AI is brochuring itself here. Whether or not this is factual is up to interpretation. LLMs don't use low level logic, aside from hooking it up to classical computing to do math. They also don't attempt to model reality and iteratively improve the model with reasoning. They aren't AGIs. If you want to know what that anon is talking about, ask the LLM the difference between it and AGI.

It says it's "capable of reasoning beyond merely predicting the next word based on a database of text". The weird thing about that statement, is that just predicting the next word based on a database is often enough a good substitution for genuine reasoning. The AI can fake it to make it. As far as the user is concerned, when you ask the AI to engage in deductive, inductive, abductive reason the results are going to be good enough for general use that you won't give a shit. Probably because you won't ask it a novel question its unfamiliar with, or try to break it by walking it into a contradiction. You'll do that a few times then get bored and just use it find out what you want to know.

>>16236751
This is the riddle of steel.

reminder a possible hurricane is forming in the gulf of mexico and could hit starbase

>>16236875
>>16236957
All decks on dick

>>16237675
Real talk what happens if a cat 5 hit starbase? Would it end everything?

>>16237681
probably flooded and the tanks all dented up

>>16236738
we're just one world war away from airbreathing SSTOs and fusion engines with 6-digit ISPs. starship will look as outdated as the dc-3 did in 1945.

>>16237014
It will really take off once there's something outside Urf's gravity well that can use space mining resources. There's just nothing out there worth taking back down that we don't already have here, but it can be cheaper than sending stuff up.

>>16237682
Would all the boosters and ships be swept out into the gulf?

>>16237681
They launch into the eye of the hurricane.

>>16237687
maybe

>>16237161
>Bottomos
>>16237242
>>Methone
>what happens here?
rednecks and illicit drug labs

>>16237681
I mean, if it can take a rocket launch it can probably take a hurricane.

>>>/x/38142356
>>>/x/38142356
>>>/x/38142356

thoughts

>>16237701
any tinfoil about a massive secret space presence requires a massive earth orbit launch capability that's also kept totally secret. this isn't completely impossible if you have some secret sea launch platform in the middle of the pacific that nobody would see, but posters always gloss over what a massive undertaking it would have to be in their fanfics. i also think you could probably evade detection in LEO if you got in and out of it fast enough but it's getting harder every year.
not gonna go through all of the guy's posts but "lunar GEO" doesn't exist so any attempt at plausibility falls apart then and there.

>>16237681
They would have to scrap a lot of shit due to flooding. The buildings can take the winds just fine.

>>16237701
Nammu? I remember the Hillenkoetter.

>>16237701
I really wish the secret space program conspiracy were true.

Prrrrrrrb

>>16237721
I wouldn't even be mad, I'd be too happy knowing that humanity wasn't stuck using chemical reactions to escape Earth's gravity anymore.

>>16237252
clouds are literally made of air though

>>16237730
>stuck using chemical reactions
I don't like these sorts of reductive framings, it reminds me of retarded environmental groups criticizing nuclear because it generates electricity 'just' by boiling water.

>>16237737
>criticizing nuclear because it generates electricity 'just' by boiling water.
Funny, I think that but I view it as a positive.

https://youtu.be/KRkDQVw4UjQ?si=Ly7aODjQQXMKpNZU&t=12526

so we were supposed to have people on mars this year, whats the REAL eta ??? nothing before 2030 huh

>>16237743
I think we'll have unmanned starship on mars in 2028 and people by 2030.

>>16237629
It does twist itself into circles when you keep pushing it, but also you can point out these contradictions to it and it does notice the logical fallacies. The main problem is the hallucinations, the actual logic and reasoning is usually very good for most topics - but the LLM shenanigans does put it up to the human to force logic out of it

>>16237681
Hurricanes are big nothingburgers. Before we had space imagery of them, nobody even knew they were anything other than big thunder storms.

>>16237773
True. For example, if you look up the great historical disasters it's all a bunch of floods and earthquakes and tsunamis caused by earthquakes, not hurricanes.

>>16237773
oh no, the chatbot deboonked me
>Yes, the spiral structure of hurricanes and other cyclones was known before the advent of satellite imagery, although the understanding was less precise and detailed.
>The spiral structure of cyclones was inferred from several sources:
>Observations from Ships and Coastal Areas: Mariners and coastal observers noted the patterns of changing wind directions and intensities as a storm approached and passed. These observations suggested a rotational structure.
>Barometric Pressure Readings: Early meteorologists used barometric pressure data to understand the pressure gradients within a cyclone. The pressure patterns often indicated a spiraling nature around a central low-pressure area.
>Cloud Patterns and Precipitation: Descriptions and drawings of cloud movements and rainfall patterns also pointed towards a spiraling structure. Cyclonic storms were known to have bands of heavy rain and winds that curved around a central eye.
>Theoretical Models: By the mid-19th century, scientists like William Reid and James P. Espy had developed theories about the rotational nature of cyclones. Reid's observations during the Great Havana Hurricane of 1844 and Espy's convection theory contributed to the understanding of cyclonic spirals.
>Early Weather Maps: By the late 19th and early 20th centuries, meteorologists were creating weather maps that depicted the isobars (lines of constant pressure) around cyclones, showing the spiraling wind patterns.
>While these methods provided a general understanding of the spiral nature of cyclones, the detailed and comprehensive images provided by satellites since the 1960s have significantly enhanced the accuracy and understanding of these structures. Satellite imagery allows for a complete and continuous view of cyclones from space, revealing intricate details of their spiral bands, eye formation, and overall dynamics that were not possible to observe directly from the ground or sea.

>>16237773
Kek they annihilated entire towns and were feared, what are you talking about.

>>16237773
lol

>>16237778
>>16237779
just some rain and flooding, this kind of thing happens all the time but usually it's not a SPOOKY SPIRAL CLOUD so people don't make a big deal out of it.

>>16237773
they make the roggets get wet and cold

>>16237781
No one cares because usually it's some residential areas that get flooded that has next to no national impact.

>>16237789
>"anon does not care about residential areas."

>>16237789
Same with hurricanes yet everybody loses their mind about those.

>>16237782
I want to see Ares anthropomorphized too.

>>16237794
Leggy beanpole-lookin' ass

>>16237800
SLS's weird top heavy sibling.
I didn't know this, but this was the proposed "final form" for the Ares Rocket: Ares V.
Looks awfully familiar, doesn't it?

>>16237803
Ares V had recoverable SRB segments. SLS is such a disappointment even compared to its predecessors and previous designs, and the EUS is a joke opposed to the EDS.

>>16237803
They've been trying to make that stack for 40 years.

>>16237810
Ares V was a paper design..

>>16237822
And that's a good thing. Such cursed shittle-hardware reuse should remain in the minds of those fools.

>>16237821
>let's put our super advanced engines, made for reusable vehicle, on the expendable rocket
That's a quite retarded choice.

>>16237833
since we didn't have any existing engines that could do the job and new engine development would add on more years and more $$$ to the development process it was one of the least retarded choices made regarding SLS

>>16237833
Prease undastand shelby is a senator not a rogget designer

>>16237833
but enough about Vulcan

>>16237833

>>16237838
Making SLS was the retarded choice in the first place.

>>16237833
engines made in the 80's are not super advanced

NEW SLOSSKINO!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GzhFo6iRmw
>SLS core stage going onto barge in a month for Artemis II
>KSC Environmental Control Unit tested as part of Artemis II ground systems testing.
>The Mobile Launcher is now expected to stay at pad 39b until midsummer.
>HALO pictures posted, undergoing testing in Turin, Italy. Will be transferred to phoenix, Arizona for outfitting. HALO is an important element of Gateway.
>Current issues being investigated after discovery during Artemis I: launch imagery, launch loads, post mission repair and foreign object debris. Issues are expected to be resolved this summer.
>Orion's only post-flight issue is the heat-shield char loss. Independent review is expected to close this summer.
>SLS also had vibrational and debris shedding anomalies during Artemis I. ETA to close these is unknown.
>Vacuum testing for orion is coming up.
>Recently NASA exploration leadership talked about looking into alternate missions to reduce irregular gaps between SLS missions.
>Apparently Orion cannot cope with a LLO gateway even if SLS had the DV since the thermal environment is more harsh there. For this same reason, Orion cannot be used for long term stays in LEO, and would need more cooling to do so. (Orionbros...)
>Above reason is why NASA is having trouble looking for alternate missions for SLS. A test docking with Starship HLS in LEO for example would require a minor redesign and certification.
>If the picture posted recently of the Artemis II SLS core stage is representative of it's current state, they have a lot of work to do before they can ship it, since it's still configured for Final Integrated Flight Testing, which Michoud said they completed four months ago (weird). Getting on the barge in a month is going to be tight.

NEW SLOSSKINO!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pClzVf62ozs
>SLS core stage going onto barge in a month for Artemis II
>KSC Environmental Control Unit tested as part of Artemis II ground systems testing.
>The Mobile Launcher is now expected to stay at pad 39b until midsummer.
>HALO pictures posted, undergoing testing in Turin, Italy. Will be transferred to phoenix, Arizona for outfitting. HALO is an important element of Gateway.
>Current issues being investigated after discovery during Artemis I: launch imagery, launch loads, post mission repair and foreign object debris. Issues are expected to be resolved this summer.
>Orion's only post-flight issue is the heat-shield char loss. Independent review is expected to close this summer.
>SLS also had vibrational and debris shedding anomalies during Artemis I. ETA to close these is unknown.
>Vacuum testing for orion is coming up.
>Recently NASA exploration leadership talked about looking into alternate missions to reduce irregular gaps between SLS missions.
>Apparently Orion cannot cope with a LLO gateway even if SLS had the DV since the thermal environment is more harsh there. For this same reason, Orion cannot be used for long term stays in LEO, and would need more cooling to do so. (Orionbros...)
>Above reason is why NASA is having trouble looking for alternate missions for SLS. A test docking with Starship HLS in LEO for example would require a minor redesign and certification.
>If the picture posted recently of the Artemis II SLS core stage is representative of it's current state, they have a lot of work to do before they can ship it, since it's still configured for Final Integrated Flight Testing, which Michoud said they completed four months ago (weird). Getting on the barge in a month is going to be tight.

>>16237901
fuck me I fucked the link again.
it's pCIzVf62ozs

>>16237833
The older idea for using expendable RS-25s came from a time when the shuttle was supposed to be flying a hundred times a year and there would be a lot of SSMEs that were ageing out of their reusability. Rather than just junking the old engines you could plug them into a big rocket and get one last useful flight out of them.

>>16237901
>>Apparently Orion cannot cope with a LLO gateway even if SLS had the DV since the thermal environment is more harsh there. For this same reason, Orion cannot be used for long term stays in LEO, and would need more cooling to do so. (Orionbros...)
IT IS THE ONE THING IT WAS SUPPOSED TO DO

>>16237921
It's alright for prolonged stays in NRHO at least. But basically useless for anything else.

>>16237921
So … what? What would be better? Build a service module and an upper stage for Dragon? Can Dragon even do any of those things listed?

>>16237921
Wait Orion can't even resupply gateway? Wtf?
Do I have this right?
Full list of uses for sls+Orion:
>Artemis 2 moon flyby
>LLO to earth for Artemis 3

>>16237953
You can also splash it into a big pool on a hot summer day and call it a test!

>>16237953
Upon reread I think it means this
>orion can support NRLO gateway
>Orion can't support LLO gateway
>therefore gateway is NRLO

>>16237947
dearMoon was originally going to be a circumlunar Dragon flight launched on a Falcon Heavy. It'd need a lot of internal upgrades in addition to a real service module if it was going to fly a mission in deep space, but it's probably the quickest way to replace Orion's capabilities.

>>16237957
Please understand, the thermal environment of a hot summer day is too severe for some of Orion's systems to handle. You'll have to deploy Orion into the pool without those components and only call it a partial test

>>16237844
Whats the joke? I don't get it, I'm at a loss.

>>16237833
getting the engine module back was quite possible

I like this image. FUCK true-color autism.

>>16237974
>we don't like how reuse made the shuttle is so expensive, so we'll just build a cheaper expendable version
>but we don't like how that's expendable, so we'll design a way to reuse it
I think that humoring shuttle-derived launch vehicles might have been an even bigger mistake than the shuttle itself

>>16237965
>>16237953
>>16237921
source for LEO claim is PDF below.

>>16237979
reuse didn't make shuttle expensive, needing to carry crew and choosing to carry 7 of them did.
SLS has shown that the RS25s alone would have been the full cost of a shuttle flight if we threw them away.

>>16237979
getting a SHLV out of stuff you've already built wasn't dumb, making that SHLV partially reusable wouldn't be dumb either

>>16237921
No fucking way lmfao

>>16237966
kek

>>16235742
We know how to handle this already.

>>16237980
screenshots of important bits from this and "Options for staging orbits in cislunar space".

>>16237991
The real trick is getting the first stage to land itself back in the water so you can reuse it

>>16237998
>land back in the water
How would they even deal with the salt corrosion to make it reusable

>>16237992
What causes the massive disparity in heat flux in LLO? The Moon radiating heat? How did the Apollo CSM manage?

>>16237901
The video got deleted

>>16237970
They have reusable engines already. Ula is a joke.

Will Starliner destroy the station when they power it back up?

>>16238031
No nothing ever happens

>>16238013
My guess is low anything orbit would be too much flux since you spend 50% in sun, 50% out of sun, so there's to much thermal expansion movement. Constant sun is better since at least its not changing
But that's just my guess

>>16237992
>Water sublimator
Falling back to Apollo designs is a good move, they know it works

>>16238004
the whole thing was made out of 2 inch thick steel plate like a navy ship

>>16238013
You're right, it's the moon: It radiates a lot of heat.
No clue how apollo did it.

>>16238086
Reflecting heat and light from the sun?

Are there cases where a permanent cloud deck can make a planet significantly colder rather than significantly hotter?

>>16238086
>>16238097
>>16238013
>>16237992
bit by bit they are feeding you that apollo was fake for a multitude of reasons. and you are too slow to realise.

>>16238086
>>16238013
apollo 17 csm spent over 6 days in LLO without thermal issues

>>16237947
Larger heat shield on Starliner. Boeing! claims Starliner is lunar-capable with a beefed up heat shield

>>16238116
My favorite part about Artemis is how shitty it is compared to 60 year old technology we already tested and used lol

>>16238130
it has USB-C!!!!

>>16236748
>>16237252
Half-Life 2 Episode 2 super portal confirmed real.

>>16238034

>>16237680
All 'icks on 'eck

>>16238125
It isn't even ISS worthy.

Fuck foam. All my homies hate foam.

>>16238223
'ick on 'ace 'ation

hi
ok bye

Happy Father's Day /sfg/

>>16236917
>It's an economic model that can't be closed.
Is the same true for aerial refueling of combat aircraft?

>>16238349
How's it taste

>>16238333
If KC-135s were disposable, there wouldn't be a business case there either. If you want a depot system to work you need to base it around a tanker like what the Shuttle planned to be or what Starship is going to be.

>>16238386
I could 'sure but' this but the endless grind over propellant depots and upper stages has been happening since the '80s with very little shift.

When starliner return? I'm very excited to see what will happen

https://x.com/xanderevans9/status/1784341911609782687?t=fmklv2Ee_3_I7W42yl8Z8Q&s=19
can some1 make webm for wsg?

>>16237099
gladly
women 20-29 years old are more than 5% of China's population, or over 70 million women
on the other hand, Asians are about 5% of the US population and there are roughly 22 million women 20-29 years old in the US, so it's reasonable to estimate there are about 1 million Asian women 20-29 years old in the US
even if it were as easy to get laid in the US as in China (false) and even if women in the US didn't have abhorrent world views (false) and even if women in the US weren't fatter and uglier (false) there is 70 times more prime pussy in China than the US
you can't argue with the science

>>16238452
>>>/wsg/5589397

>>16237134
>>16237147
OMG is that HALE-BOPP?!
who else is cutting their nuts off?

>>16238086
What do you think all the reflective stuff was for?

the artemis program is embarrassing honestly. it's the most half-assed shit that's ever been half-assed.

>>16238471
Thank you, do you use ffmpeg? parameters?

>>16238111
well Volcanic clouds on earth tend to lower temperatures globally on earth.

>>16237312
t. knower

>>16238111
probably depends on a lot of factors. clouds warm planets up by blocking the infrared heat radiated by the surface so that it doesn't reach space and is instead re-radiated back towards the ground. you'd need some other method of radiating the heat to counteract this. although maybe some exotic clouds made of different chemical compounds would be transparent to infrared light.

>Kidney shrinkage puts Martian mission in doubt
Spacebro's... it's over

>>16238509

4 months is my guess. Whats yours?

>>16238513
December

>>16238475
I wouldn't buy a used car off Do, let alone have him convince me to cut my nuts off and join the Away Team.
That was a weird fucking time, man.

>>16238509
>zero g for long periods of time is bad for human health
So put a fucking spinning cylinder on the ship then. durrhurr.

>>16238509
so basically i will pee less? sounds good to me

>>16237384
Chinese used wood for a spy sat.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fanhui_Shi_Weixing

>>16238513
next September after the FAA environmental review, lobbying from the Sierra Club, and the local tribal land owners

>>16238548
afaik some euro heat shields used cork&resin, charcoal is actually an effective ablative material and shares properties with ceramic tiles.

>>16238573
SLS uses cork paneling in the core stage.

https://www.nasa.gov/missions/artemis/orion/foam-and-cork-insulation-protects-deep-space-rocket-from-fire-and-ice/
>Cork is heavier than foam but provides even stronger protection for certain applications. Cork comes in sheets and is applied to areas that have high predicted heat loads, like the core stage engine section, which houses four RS-25 engines that produce 2 million pounds of thrust. Cork is applied under the solid rocket boosters that provide 75 percent of thrust at liftoff and on the fairings, the areas where feedlines come out of the intertank and run down the rocket to connect the intertank to the other hardware.

>>16238535
NEVER!!!!!

>>16238548
Cheap, light, easily workable bioplastic? It's a wonder there isn't more in space

>>16238580
This seems to be the attitude that every space agency has towards actually testing rotational gravity in space.

>>16238603
gemini did it. 0.0001 g but still

>>16238488
mpv with ekisu-webm

>>16238603
It would make space interesting and that must be stopped at all costs

>Some 30 to 100 planes had been considered to make the descent, each gliding downward over what was expected to be the course of a week to several months. If one of the planes survived to Earth, it would have made the longest flight ever by a paper plane, traversing the 250 miles (400 km) vertical descent. In a test in Japan in February 2008, a prototype about 7 centimetres (2.8 in) long and 5 centimetres (2.0 in) wide (reported by other sources as 30 centimetres (12 in)[5]) survived Mach 7 speeds and temperatures reported to be 230 °C (446 °F) in a hypersonic wind tunnel for 10 seconds.[6] Materials designed for use in conventional reentry vehicles, including ceramic composites, withstand temperatures on the order of 2,200 °C (3,990 °F).[7] The planes were to have been made from heat-resistant paper treated with silicon
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paper_planes_launched_from_space

>I think we will launch the first starship to Mars in... Less than 3 years.
Musk is BACK BABY!

>>16238655
You realize that 3 years musk time is 6 years real time, right?

>>16238659
Mars cargo by 2030 would be awesome. Previously he was saying 5+ years for Artemis

>>16236930
>constructing whatever you want in whatever configuration you want to send wherever you want.
That's the problem. Nobody really wants to send anything into space because there's nothing out there.

>>16238659
And that is... a bad thing??

>>16238667
your dad is out there... on my cock.

>>16238674
go back to /lgbt/

>>16238184
We're reading a mass excess of about 3.5 kg on the rocket...

>>16238678
It's probably fine. Probably...

>>16238681
?? this guy retarded?

>>16238354
What is stored in those balls?

>>16238333
Aerial refueling doesn't have to be economical

>>16238684
pee for the pisslock

>>16237773
>>16237781
Why did they call them cyclones then if they didn't know they were a spiral

Elon Musk
@elonmusk
·
Jun 15
Legalize humor!!

>>16238691
Why would he say that on juneteenth?

>>16238655
Yeah hes been saying that since 2011 with "red dragon"

>>16238659
>i will be a 30 years old boomer when this happens
bros... its over. I was born too late. If only mars would have will happened in 2027

>>16238713
i will be a 60 year old boomer. cheer up.

>>16238715
why are you on 4chan at 54?

>>16238717
we are here forever

the wait is agonizing.
I NEED FLIGHT 5

>>16238735
I have good news, you only have to wait two weeks.

>>16237267
>doesnt count its a rocket
Yes. Imagine thinking a rocket shit out of a plane is special timmy

>>16237278
>umad at elon bro
rent free kek

>>16237307
>NASA and DOD fake launches
yes

>>16238745
>not liking the X-15
Go be a woman someplace else.

>>16238674
<3

>>16238655
<3

>>16238655
!!

>>16238717
i like to think eagerspace might be here and he seems about that age
also >>16238722

>>16238717
62 next month.

>>16238548
>>16238585
I think Japan builds a lot of wood structures for satellites because it has superior re-entry characteristics (in terms of it breaking up cleanly and not being polluting). Wood is pretty cool, relatively structurally sound and relatively light biological rigid foam.

How many starship launches will it take for you to consider it boring?

>>16238823
I was bored by IFT2

>>16238823
The third consecutive successful chopstick catch will be the start of boredom.

>>16238830
This seems like a pretty good metric. There are a ton of other milestones though. HLS, first interplanetary Starship mission, first outer-planets Starship mission, first crewed Starship mission. It's going to be doing cool stuff for a long time. Pretty much the same as Falcon 9. I still watch a lot of Starlink launches but even I will admit that after over a hundred consecutive perfect launches it's become a bit routine. I tune in for crewed launches, cool payloads and trajectories, and stull like Polaris missions.

>>16238717
4chan is older than you are anon

>>16238823
even after launch and landings become routine, there will always be interesting on-board cam moments like orbital refilling, deploying giant payloads, internal volume cams, eventually crewed flights, views of the moon etc.

>>16238823
it’s already boring to me not gonna lie. Didn’t even have an elevated heart rate for the last flight, which I had for the first three

>>16238853
>the most kino reentry in history didn't elevate your heart rate
maybe spaceflight isn't your thing

>>16238853
I still get an elevated heart rate for Starlink launches if I'm watching, but I don't always go out of my way to catch them these days, since there's so many. Saying that you didn't care about flight 4 makes me think you're just a demotivation psyop guy from somewhere in Asia, probably Russia since they've got the most fragile egos about the relevance of "their" achievements that all actually happened under the USSR with the robbery of dozens of nations worth of technical expertise and economy to make miracles happen.

>>16238854

>>16238863
Armstrong is surprisingly less chill than Aldrin

Will the starship lunar lander have HD cameras everywhere (all angles outside, couple pointing at crew, elevator, attached to EVA suits)
kinography is needed

>>16238863
tweaking vs locked in

>>16238870
It might have something to do with the fact that he was piloting the fucking LEM.

>>16238717
WHEREAS, the Merriam-Webster's dictionary defines "nigger" (the N-word) as "usually offensive: a black person; member of socially disadvantaged class of persons...;" and

WHEREAS, the N-word has been established to be derogatory, degrading, dehumanizing and is one of the most offensive words in history; and

WHEREAS, the N-word is too often freely and casually used by some individuals in popular media, literature, and general society with usage broadened across racial and generational backgrounds; and

WHEREAS, the stigma of this word embodies and invokes painful memories and inhumane ill-will; and countless individuals including NAACP freedom fighters, have lost their lives due to the beliefs perpetuated by the use of this word.

THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED that you are a fucking nigger.

In my 40s, by the way.

>>16238823
They'll do the catch next time. It will be great. Hopefully we'll get a new model of Starship on the next test and the propellant transfer after that, plus we need to see a fully working reusable heat shield, so at least for the next few flights things will be exciting.

I don't know what's going to happen between then and manned Starship, HLS tests or a Mars flight. I guess the first few Starlink flights will be cool, too.

>>16238888

>>16238888
Do you think they will get "factory" Starship ready quickly, is that the current plan? i.e. with a fully working heat shield and a deployment door for Starlink?
I wonder if they will, at some point, focus more solely on HLS to keep with seemingly strict NASA demands

>>16238898
There isn't a good reason to mass produce before they've ironed out all the problems with tests and reworks and tests.
If FT5 happens soon after they put in the new heat tiles, that is a VERY good sign, because that means the only thing slowing starship down is literally the labor of replacing all the heat tiles.

>>16238898
They are building HLS at MacGregor AFAIK since that actually requires support that the Boca Chica facility doesn't have and the Starbase factory is still very far from being complete.

>>16237736
Clouds are in fact not made up of air anon. You'd know this fact if you actually hadn't ascended to orbit on the Starliner.

>>16238903
Wait what for real?

>>16238911
That's what I heard, and it makes sense considering that Starfactory will probably be in some state of unfinished until they force that retard who won't sell the land to sell the land considering it is probably fucking up their entire floor plan.

>>16238903
lies

>>16238870
Aldrin was always cool under pressure, which is a big part of the reason why they chose him for Apollo 11.

Is Russia done for or will they regain their momentum?
>Angara finally launching
>New Cosmodrome in Siberia
>Third most launches behind China and US
>Still one of three countries that can launch humans to space
Issues and constant delays
>Eagle Spacecraft
>Amur reusable rocket
>Constellation Starlink clone
They have stuff on the table but they’re not executing.

>>16238925
done, no
lapped by China permanently, I’d say likely

>>16238870
Because he was drunk

>>16238925
LOL there will never be a russian launch market ever again

>>16238957
Faultliner is a mess, anon; and there will always be a need for two means to reach the ISS.

>>16238961
>need for two means to reach the ISS.
1) Crew Dragon
2) Starship

>>16238966
Still only one supplier, anon.

>>16238957
These sanctions won’t last forever. I’m more concerned that they won’t innovate or keep up with competition.

>>16238823
55

>>16238823
It's already boring lol

>>16238979
schwenty seven heif

>>16238903
you can't move a starship from macgregor to kennedy

>>16238981
Ancient meme

>>16238986
E2E

Any news today or was it kinda slow? Also /sfg/ is finally back to normal.

>>16238823
It will get boring if they don't do anything with it. If they only used starship for more starlink deployments... Ugh

>>16238872
I'll do you one better, Nolan and his cinematographer of the week will be there with IMAX cameras to capture everything

>>16239016
Shut up nigger

>>16238975
They're pretty much slower than Europe at this point when it comes to developing launch vehicles. If someone was really asking me how long they have left, it's a matter of how long soyuz can stay relevant. (10-15 years tops?)

>>16239043
Fuck off faggot

>>16239057
what's the matter? your country hasn't progressed in space in multiple decades?

>>16239062
Why dont you kill yourself you stupid amerishart, oh wait your blood presure will do that anyways! Fucking stupid mutts

>>16239069
getting mad at me won't pay for the cosmodrome pidor lmao

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