/sci/ - Science & Math

https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/06/rocket-report-starship-is-in-the-clock-virgin-galactic-at-a-crossroad/

Small Rockets
>Virgin Galactic won't be flying again anytime soon.
>Unpacking North Korea's advancements in rocketry.
>ABL signs deal with a new launch customer.
>UK launch company to expand footprint in Denmark.
>A new player in solid-fueled missiles.

Medium Rockets
>Stoke fires up its first booster engine.
>Ariane 6's first payloads encapsulated for flight.

Heavy Rockets
>Here's what NASA wants to see next from Starship.
>SpaceX wants to show NASA what Starship can do on Mars

https://spacenews.com/anduril-gets-19-million-contract-to-develop-solid-rocket-motors-for-u-s-navy/
>Anduril, a defense contractor known for its use of robotics and artificial intelligence in military drones, has set its sights on becoming a major supplier of solid rocket motors to the Pentagon. The company last year acquired the startup Adranos, which invented a fuel called Alitec — a mixture of lithium and aluminum to power solid rocket motors used in tactical missiles and space launch vehicles.

>>16234355
That tower should be ready within a few months.

>>16234355
Gaht damn that bitch looks weird right now

It's been over 24 hours and there's still like 9 threads up.

JANNIES, WHERE ARE YOU??

>>16234388
Probably went on strike for higher pay. It's more of a shitshow than usual on other boards too.

I hate how much she's just like my mom. Same sort of dress, hair, body, and nice tits. Even her personality seems like my mom. I couldn't even finish watching her video before I had to jerk off.

>>16234428
Disgusting freak consider offing yourself

>>16234390
If we double their pay will they clean up the threads?

>>16234428
I wonder if he was thinking about plapping her the whole time

>>16234453
lets triple it

Uh, bros? What the fuck is this?

https://x.com/Alexphysics13/status/1801500002084118920

>>16234471
https://www.nro.gov/Launches/launch-nrol-146/
Is it the second stage coming home or something? This launched last month.

>>16234471
>NROL-146
>First batch of satellites for a reconnaissance satellite constellation built by SpaceX and Northrop Grumman for the National Reconnaissance Office to provide imaging and other reconnaissance capabilities.
https://nextspaceflight.com/launches/details/7548

looks like something happened to the satellite

>>16234360
Is Anduril tha SpaceX of MIC?

>>16234480
If they used a Northrop mount again, I am gonna laugh.

>>16234487
yes

Ohnonono

>>16234525
This capsule is going to kill anyone they try putting inside it again.

Why shouldn't I buy Rocket Lab stock?

>>16234534
Neutrons not fully reusable and unlike new glenn can't be upgraded to be fully reusable, it DOA.

>>16234355
CASC test fired the CZ-10 first stage propulsion section (with three out of seven YF-100K engines)
https://weibo.com/5658451754/OiZFudNF9

>>16234540

>>16234540
So this is a test fire of the completed first stage of LM-10?
Any news on the other stages?

cz-10 is long march 10 I guess

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_March_10
>The standard Long March 10 will be capable of lifting 70 tonnes into low Earth orbit (LEO) and 27 tonnes into trans-lunar injection trajectories.[5]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/61/Long_March_10_mockup_-_NMC.jpg

>>16234525
oh noes stinky poopy
>>16234532
starliner MAX

>>16234550
It's not the complete first stage, because the first stage is supposed to have 7 engines

There have been engine test firings of the YF-100M and YF-75E engines. I have not heard anything about test firings of integrated second or third stages yet

https://x.com/torybruno/status/1801604642729554190
>Heres’s a big hint. #ULARocketShip

>>16234540
According to several of the comments on Weibo, they used 3 engines was because the test platform can't handle more than that

>>16234567
Is it still going to have 7 engines?
This things been through so many design revisions I wouldn't put it past them to have changed it.

>>16234540
CZ-10 launch pad and VAB construction work
Taken by Jilin-1, June 11
https://weibo.com/5658451754/OiQEDvUwm

>>16234570
I am still betting on they have an engine out during the first launch.

Anyone else think it's weird that there are 20 and 30 somethings working at SpaceX right now who in like 40 years will have every STEM nerd worshipping the ground they walk on because "they were there"?

>>16234540
According to comments on Weibo, they used 3 engines since the test platform can't handle more than that
https://weibo.com/5658451754/OiXGenTxr
https://weibo.com/5658451754/OiYsRxEuO

wtf is relativity doing? I remember people used to post about them and their 3D printed rockets, but I've heard nothing for months

>>16234601
After the terran failed it's maiden flight they immediately retired it and started working on terran R.
Scheduled for flight in 2026 so don't expect anything anytime soon.

>>16234598
no

>>16234594
The first launch already happened you dummy.

>>16234598
In 40 years we'll either be in Mad Max or Elysium futures.

>>16234579
The thrust figures they gave in the same update - 2678 tons force - is coherent with 3*7 of the thrust figures they gave for each engine so yes.

>>16234610
The first real launch (never).

You know what REALLY grinds my gears?? Falcon clones.

>>16234618
Imitation is the most sincere form of flattery

>>16234618
why? falcon clones are going to be the second line behind starship clones for all launch providers world wide for the next 20 years.

>>16234355
American space flight progress is insulting and depressing but I hope that all the focus on defending Israel is worth it. Meanwhile China and even India is not just catching up but ahead of us.

The Boeing disaster was humiliating and I'm just glad they didn't kill anyone.

We lost the science and capability to do spcaeflight because American Jews demanded to rewrite history and science to remove anything that's slightly perceived as antisemitism. If I could explain the ginormous amount of resources and money that goes into shit like the Iron Dome (trillions in just cash) it would be insane.

>>16234625
>India
What are you talking about? I've been waiting for them to fly their manned capsule for years now and I'm still waiting.

>>16234625
/pol/ is down the hall and to the left

>>16234627
weren't they supposed to do like 5 test flights of it this year? I remember they did like an abort test that I missed because they scrubbed and then launched anyway, but I haven't heard any other news

>>16234598
Probably not. Apollo was still cool even 40 years later because what came after Apollo was disappointing and lame in comparison. This time spaceflight progress isn't likely to to halt and revert; it's going to keep progressing. F9 and SS/SH probably aren't going to remain "the coolest thing" for long, just like the Redstone rocket didn't remain "the coolest thing" for long.

>>16234540
>>16234582
How likely is it that the real target date Xi has given for Chinese on the moon is October 2028?

There's a significant risk Artemis 3 will slip beyond 2028. Xi knows it would cause a political shock in the US if Chinese astronauts are walking on the moon while US astronauts remain grounded. It could have some effect the US election, and Xi could use his ability to order a landing either before or after the US election for leverage. US elections are usually quite close.

>>16234360
Honestly a big deal, breaking up the traditional contractors.

>>16234632
https://www.space.com/india-reveals-astronauts-first-human-spaceflight-gaganyaan
Next year, according to this article, and it's the most recent one that came up in a quick search. I swear /sfg/ was talking about this thing back when starhopper was the new hot shit.

>>16234643
Ready for Sputnik Crisis 2.0
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sputnik_crisis

>>16234652
>"Campaigning in 1960 on closing the "missile gap",[21] Eisenhower's successor, John F. Kennedy, promised to deploy 1,000 Minuteman missiles. That was many more ICBMs than the Soviets had at the time."
LOL

>>16234646
We were. It's been delayed for years.

>>16234360
>>16234487
>>16234524
I love the name. I love lotr

>>16234540
>>16234545
>>16234551
>>16234582
China seems to be doing very well its lunar program, I wonder how theses missions will be

I guess it would be something like artemis:

First mission: unmanned launch of capsule and lander

Second mission: manned launch of capsule and lander and docking in lunar orbit

Third mission: moon landing

Or they gonna make it like apollo so more missions?

>>16234525
>Repeat 'safe haven' testing
>Assess piloting using window
Butch is gonna have to bring her in manual.

>>16234671
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Lunar_Research_Station

>>16234525
Remember he said he could confirm with 100% accuracy that nothing happened on the ISS on 6/12/24

boeing stock's down 7% this week. things that make you go hmm...

>>16234565
>based space bros enjoyer

>>16234661

>>16234700
investors pre-emptively dumping

>>16234461
Musk has threesomes with superstars, that girl is not even on his radar.

>>16234525
Even normie media here in eurostan is picking up on it.

>>16234762
musk literally never had sex

>>16234765
Yes, musk doesnt call it sex, he calls it breeding, just ask the 11 children he has.

>>16234769

>>16234769
>just ask the 11 children he has
all through artificial insemination. no sex.

>>16234639
>spaceflight progress isn't likely to to halt and revert
very naive of you.
You know all the startups exist in the wake of SpaceX and NONE of them are profitable. SpaceX itself isnt even profitable. ULA is so pathetic because they are the only for profit launch complany, the space launch market is very small and almost all these startups will go bust in 20 years time. There was a similar explosion in space companies around apollo and they all went bust during the shuttle era. Even rockwell who made the damn shuttle.

>>16234778
profit doesn't mean anything

>>16234778
>SpaceX itself isnt even profitable
This is outdated, at the end of last year musk said starlink makes profit for spacex.
Why do you think everyones rushing to make constellations and rockets specialized for launching them?

>>16234782
Elon's manifesting of sucess even against the market is not usual. Most people are cynical and seek profit, once Musk is no longer around then if SpaceX is not profitable it will be trimmed until it becomes profitable. That means no more epic space ship development programs. Just starlink launches until the cosntellation is complete, then the winding down of Falcon to just a few flights a year to manitain the constellation.

>>16234428
I don't have a hot mom, what's it like having a hot mom? Do you actually jerk off to her?

>>16234785
The starlink program makes a profit by itself, so the paying customers minus the manufacture and launch of the sats is net cashflow positive, but SpaceX has a massive rocket development program which eats about 3 billion a year.

>>16234525
Jesus Christ Boeing, this isn't even funny any more, just sad

>>16234794
>but SpaceX has a massive rocket development program which eats about 3 billion a year.
>well if you include all of their expenses, even the completely optional ones, and ignore that it's an investment which will pay itself off many times over in the future, then yeah SpaceX is a non-viable business
Fucking kill yourself you absolutely retarded disingenuous nigger kike.

>>16234794
>rocket development
Thats gonna disappear when the rocket is developed.
Not to mention starship will make starlink better and cheaper which will bring in more profit.

>>16234643
If this happens it will pretty much guarantee American Astronauts on Mars

real?

>>16234643
no chance. they don't have a lander. 2030 at the earliest.

>>16234815
no, mars mostly just has some fungus here and there

>>16234815
No shut up not spaceflight >>>/x/

>>16234815
Yes? This is possible

>>16234828
>claiming william wallace campbell, winner of the gold medal of the royal astronomical society, is /x/
for shame

>>16234826
Still would be useful for colonists. Maybe as a breakfast treat perhaps

>>16234791
>then the winding down of Falcon to just a few flights a year to manitain the constellation.
so they just want to leave money for other companies to take?

>>16234828
>newfag outing himself again
Go back

>>16234826
I thought it was just space nazis.

Or have they moved into the asteroid belt by now?

>>16234861
>>16234833
>noooooo you have to listen to and enjoy my schizophrenic ramblings about vegetables controlling mars!!!1!1!
>muh heckin wholesome chungus astroonomer is spaceflight stop questioning me!!
>everyone who doesnt like my nonsense is the thread splitting cock sucking newfag
>t.

>>16234878
meds

>>16234878
>seething this hard that you'll never come up with something half as brilliant and groundbreaking as the award-winning mars vegetable hivemind theory

>>16234880
>>16234907
>m-meds!!
>y-you actually love the schizo n-nonsense rants!!
>AAIIIIEEEEEEEEE NOOOO JANNY DONT BAN MEEEEEE!!!

https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1361-6382/ad26aa
>Warp drives are exotic solutions of general relativity that offer novel means of transportation. In this study, we present a solution for a constant-velocity subluminal warp drive that satisfies all of the energy conditions. The solution involves combining a stable matter shell with a shift vector distribution that closely matches well-known warp drive solutions such as the Alcubierre metric. We generate the spacetime metric numerically, evaluate the energy conditions, and confirm that the shift vector distribution cannot be reduced to a coordinate transformation. This study demonstrates that classic warp drive spacetimes can be made to satisfy the energy conditions by adding a regular matter shell with a positive ADM mass.
Cool

>>16234918
WOWZA! TRL 0 hardware! call me back when any warp drive hits TRL 4

>>16234878
>>16234912
This ain't it, chief

>>16234921
What is your phone number?

>>16234931
010-COME-ON-NOW

>>16234933
One job

>>16234918
this is literally an ad for their simulation software and i have no idea how it got published

>>16234942
i'm trying to find where to buy it, but i cant. only a github link with the source code

>>16233677
Someone please add a Jewish pride stripe to the flag and watch this whole charade crumble

>>16234950
well maybe it's unfair for me to say it's an ad and i should've just called it shilling. but that was their second shill article they got published in that journal that month https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1361-6382/ad2e42

>>16234800
ok? but im talking about spacex right now. And they will probably develop a new mega rocket after starship so long as musk is alive. starship is the minimum viable lifter for going to mars, nowhere near big enough to be ideal.

>>16234799
>not even unrealized gain, but un-unrealized gain
average /biz/tard

conical

>>16234799
What the fuck is your problem? If SpaceX cut back all development and stuck with F9 for 20 yeras they would be profitable now. But that ISNT the real world. In the real world they are not profitable due to their tremendous R&D budget. WTF are you so mad about?

>>16234981
See >>16234778
>>spaceflight progress isn't likely to to halt and revert
>very naive of you.
Only some retarded nigger would bring up SpaceX and their current profitability in this context as if it were some sort of gotcha.

>>16234975
Humanity will never acheive this level of technology and space development again

>>16234991
the level of technology that looks cool but doesn't actually work?

>>16234990
You are the retard buddy. It's fact that no space companies apart from ULA are profitable. That is to say, the dynamism and rapid development we are seeing is unsustainable without FOMO venture capital. Musk is incredible at generating FOMO to fund his ventures even when they never turn a profit, im not dissing him or SpaceX, but if SpaceX actually tried to run a balanced budget tomorrow they would have to scrap Starship. Fact.

https://www.reuters.com/technology/space/nasa-accidentally-broadcasts-simulation-distressed-astronauts-space-station-2024-06-13/

kino is back on the menu boys

>>16234991
We are building warp drives now

>>16234792
I have used ai to strip her. I should probably delete those pictures

>>16235001
Rocket Lab is on a clear path to profitability by 2026

>>16235008
We live in 2024

>>16235007
No, you should "accidentally" let her find them. Is she a widow or divorced by any chance?

>>16235008
being stuck in development hell because you thought meme tankage looked good on paper is a great path to profitability

>>16235007
Post them here first

>>16235009
Growth is more important than profit

>>16234428
she's such a bimbo, those forehead lines are insane. I would vomit having sex with her

>>16235011
The good thing about Rocket Lab is they don't only build rockets, they manufacture space based components and products as well. That side of the business is doing really well and growing fast.

>>16235015
You wouldnt wanna have sex with me either then

wen we gaan?

>>16235025
August 15th

well /sfg/ would you ride in it?

>>16235030
depends, how robust are the helium lines?

>>16235030

>>16234981

>>16235030
Looks overdesigned

>>16235036
This is unironically a great system and would work except for one key detail: astronaut can't remove himself from the foam after landing. The deorbit is anything but precise so it could possibly take hours for anybody to get to him.

>>16235039
>The deorbit is anything but precise so it could possibly take hours for anybody to get to him
or kill yourself by landing on the ground

https://breakingdefense.com/2024/06/space-force-boots-rtx-from-meo-missile-warning-tracking-program/
>The Space Force has terminated its contract with RTX (formerly Raytheon) for development of the service’s new missile warning/tracking constellation in medium Earth orbit (MEO) due to cost and schedule overruns, as well as technical issues, a spokesperson for Space Systems Command told Breaking Defense today.

Get fucked oldspace.

Finally they cleansed it took them a good 24 hours baka. Anyway what effect if any does eating roadkill have on spaceflight?

>>16235043
To be fair there is foam and the rest of the kit seems reasonably light. I'm willing to believe that you could survive landing on the ground in that thing, if the chute was decent.

>>16235030
less prone to leaking than Starliner. Yes I would ride it.

>>16235045
I wonder if their eyes have been opened and have chosen SpaceX instead?

>>16235045
Oldspace programs are obsolete now that BRILLIANT PEBBLES is well underway.

>>16234817
Do we know for sure how much or how little progress they've made on the lander?

>>16235030
What retards don't get is that designs like this could flawlessly work. It's just that current space capsules are a sad state of affairs.

>>16234817
Do we know for sure how much or how little progress they've made on the lander? We know they have decided on a design for the manned lander, and that they've tested two subscale demonstrators Chang'e 5/6

>>16234975
Maybe if it was something other than a balls-in-cones design

>>16234817
>2030 at the earliest.
same as Artemis 3

>>16235059
Don't worry, the balls don't touch.

>>16235062
Lotta extra dry mass when you're working hard to keep whose balls from touching

>>16234671
I think I read somewhere that four test launches of CZ-10 were planned. I can't remember where though, or how authoritative that source was.

If that's the case, I think those launches would be
1. Unmanned test of CZ-10 as well as Mengzhou including a high energy return, similar to the first launch of SLS except with a fully functional capsule
2. Unmanned test of Lanyue
3 & 4: Unmanned full mission including docking, landing, ascent, docking and return to Earth

>>16235039
>astronaut can't remove himself from the foam after landing
some gizmo that releases a foam dissolver once the static air pressure reaches about 1 bar is doable

>>16235090
>drench the astronaut in acetone
it could work

This is not a good way to build fuel tanks

kino

>>16235099
Actually it is.

>>16235099
Not like they had a choice. They were only approved to start development in like mid 1965 so balls was the only options as they were the fastest to make.

>>16235112
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utoznZZgs_g
Is it actually going to launch this time?

>>16235011
would be kind of retarded if the carbon fibre is what kills them

>>16234975
It's not enough, we need W I D E

>>16235030
I'd go pure O2 and try to keep it between 3 and 4 bar. Also needs a piss lock

>>16235134
>forgot about oxygen toxicity
I'd probably need to go HeliOx instead

is Kuiper going to be better than starlink in any metrics?

what are pisslocks im new

>>16235099
common bulkheads are gay

>>16235123
W I D E R

do we have a transcript of this brief conversation during Columbia's disaster? I think they were talking about calls coming in about ground video showing multiple pieces but idk

>>16235115
https://twitter.com/i/broadcasts/1eaKbgrnNpBGX
And we're going

>>16235153
Exactly what is sounds like

>>16235161
yay a starlink launch!

>>16235166
what 6 days of no launches does to an anon

Apparently the chinks faked documents and sold subpar titanium that ended up in boeing planes.
Most likely not, but how funny would it be if some of that also ended up in starliner.

>>16235157
>SHE CAN'T TAKE MUCH MORE, CAPTAIN

ABORT ABORT ABORT

oh shit a launch abort!

ABORT

>>16235172
Been a while since we had one of these

>>16235170
Forgot article.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/14/us/politics/boeing-airbus-titanium-faa.html

Chinks tricked airbus too, probably more companies.

>Starlink
>Starship
Think of an original name?

what in I SAY what in the fuck is goin on here

SCRUBX IS BACK ON THE MENU BOYS

Wonder what went wrong.

>>16235179
Battlestar.

MUSKRAT FAIL
THUNDERCHAD WON

EDS CHADS VINDICATED

>>16235187
smart frogposter

>>16235173
WE HAVEN'T REACHED THE WIDEST POTENTIAL YET

>>16235057
>We know they have decided on a design for the manned lander
yeah, they decided on a design a year ago. historically landers always end up being the pacing item for this sort of thing because they require the most mass autism and the most redesigning. you're going to see unmanned LEO test flights of a lander well before they try putting boots in the regolith.
>they've tested two subscale demonstrators Chang'e 5/6
means next to nothing beyond that they have software that can handle navigation and rendezvous in low lunar orbit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astronaut_ranks_and_positions
Huh. I noticed that Christina Koch is documented as a ‘Payload Specialist’. NASA has not used that term since the Columbia disaster in Feb 2003 (it was first used twenty years earlier, in 1983...This also included a special military Payload Specialist position for a short while—USAF Manned Spaceflight Engineer)

>>16235179
Just be glad they don't have "X" in the name

>>16234918
>subluminal
YAWN

>>16235099
>Soviet metallurgy good enough to make way better engines
>somehow can't make cylindrical pressure vessels

>>16235239
please understand

>>16235242
I could beat your ass

>>16235234
> breaking the rocket equation is le boring
if you're a nigger, sure

ScrubX

>>16235179
iPod
iPad
iApple

>>16235239
But that’s exactly why they made the BALLS is because they were easy to make. That’s why so many soviet probes had BALLS on them

>>16235245
Go fuck yourself AI slop anal sucker

Yeah she a cutie :)

>>16235251
>AI slop
https://old.oblgazeta.ru/society/auto/42718/
you are one dumb monkey lol

>>16235253
So was your mom. Your dad ruined her. I could bane you.

>>16235256

>>16234355
>According to insiders familiar with the deal, SpaceX recently reached an agreement with the Fish and Wildlife Service that would required the space giant to construct the first of many new goat towers in the Boca Chica coastal plain in an effort to reduce environmental impact on local fauna. Critics say its not enough, with many voicing...

>>16235051
The DoD figured it out recently

>>16235256
Bane?

https://x.com/SERobinsonJr/status/1801710393963770165
>Starlink Bastrop expansion. The highlighted areas show the what is currently undergoing groundwork. I was told the area next to the Starlink facility will be a separate and larger SpaceX facility. The highlighted area next to the Boring Bodega will be offices and Supercharges.

some kind of big expansion is going to happen near the starlink factory in bastrop texas

>>16235264
https://x.com/SERobinsonJr/status/1801008929197236720

>>16235264
>>16235266
Theres tons of construction and expansion going on 24/7 with Musk's companies. I'm sure hes a master at knowing the economic models of his companies better than anyone, but seeing all of them at once gives me slight worry about how much cap ex spending is going on

>>16235259
Boca chica was a backwater shithole forgotten by everybody in that state, most people who drove by didnt even know there was anything there.
No greenfag ever heard about it, but then a billionare decided to build his rocket factory&launch site there.
And now we have faggots from all over the US trying to end space exploration because of fucking beetles and fish.

Holly fuck i hate greenfags so fucking much.

>>16235259
Tower team mascot lol

>>16235259
How the fuck did that goat get up there?

>>16235278
it used photoshop to place itself there, goats are known to do this

Besides the unproven hypothesis of dark matter and few alternative theories of gravity where a considerably small amount of matter is required to produce the same gravitational field strength, nothing really appears plausible to exclude one or the other from the cosmic substratum. To explain the force field that binds galaxies and clusters together a new theory has been proposed with the intent to find a time-independent metric-tensor solution to the Einstein field equations. The heuristic approach demonstrated the stability of galaxies rotation through a flat stellar shell or a galactic rotational curve operating like an equipotential (isothermal) sphere shaped by massless topological defects created during the early universe. Astronomical observations and mathematical analysis supports this model comparing localized gravitational fields capable of flat rotation, i.e. Keplerian circular orbits at a constant speed for all radii.

>>16235282
Nerd.

>>16235282

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wG8XO8-NgSE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wG8XO8-NgSE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wG8XO8-NgSE

>>16235309
>implying starship isn't already a spaceplane
dropped

>>16235282
In English, doc?

reminder: if you shape your rocket like an airplane, maintenance between flights will be as cheap and as simple as it is on an airplane. if you shape your rocket like a rocket, it's going to be expensive and take forever. it's not that easy in rocketry.

>>16235309
>>16235316
>>16235335

are old car batteries chucked from the ISS a space plane?

>>16235346
Better L/D than the shuttle.

How do they maek those car batteries deorbit? No way they can throw them fast enough to do that

>>16235356
they throw them in the dragon trunk don't they?

>>16235309
Why are englishmen so dumb lol

>>16235358
being irrelevant in an industry for living memory has a way of detaching you from reality

>>16235357
i saw them eject a pallet of batteries from the station using canadarm if i remember correctly

Where's that Starship - Centaur schizo
OPAG is seriously thinking about it for the Uranus mission

https://nitter.poast.org/genejm29/status/1800963422319759791

>>16235364
hate to rain on any schizo's parade but it looks to me like it's talking about SLS-centaur OR starship, not starship-centaur

https://x.com/genejm29/status/1800963422319759791
>These were slides from the Outer Planets Analysis Group that met today. What you see is what you get. A Caveat - These are only notional. The Mission is still on the back burner due to budget constraints. It won't be activated NET the FY 2026 NASA Budget

>>16234525
>We are continuing to understand the capabilities of Starliner, or more specifically its lack thereof

>>16235410
Fuck you. I could piss on you.

>>16235411
What are you gonna do, fly over here in a Boeing? 'Fraid you won't be going.

>>16235264
maybe this is for the higher orbital shell starlinks? remember starlink is supposed to have tens of thousands of satellites.

>>16235269
you'd imagine that alot of it is already costed or paid for by contracted launches, especially on the starlink/starshield side, spending is a lot more speculative on starship where the only current contract is the HLS stuff

>>16235400
Oh shit new outer planet mission? And an ice giant at that??? Fucking finally bros its been half a century but we will finally get that probe.

>turn on nsf discussion video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krjY5OdjtXQ
>a fucking tranny on the panel
this is the last fucking straw

>>16235400
aerocapture at uranus? i would rather use swirling tongue capture

>>16234598
In 40 years, there'll be a sizable presence on the Moon and Mars assuming no major wars or biological threats that lead to major regressions. At point which, large scale mining efforts will be underway in the belt. The real struggle is between 2024 and 2040, everything after 2040 goes exponential. I wouldn't be surprised if by 2050, LUVOIR-B will have already launched and observing the universe for at least half a dozen years or more with potential captures of Alpha Centauri and/or Proxima Centauri planetary bodies. Which in turn will spur colony ship building towards the stars. We went from nothing to industrial revolution to splitting the atom in under 50 years. We went from splitting the atom to putting a man on the moon in half that time. We went from that to squeezing the compendium of human knowledge into a piece of manufactured glass in a similar amount of time and then went from that to developing AI models in half that time. Human progress is starting to see exponential growth in terms of discovery and applicability.

The next 12-15 years is a repeat of the progress curve as the last 2 sets of 12.5-15, before another big leap is likely to occur in half that time: 6-8 effective. The biggest limiting factor for acceleration of human progress over the next 40 years is accessibility to vast amounts of energy incredibly cheaply. Average cost of electricity is (https://www.hostdime.com/blog/average-cost-of-electricity-per-country/#:~:text=The%20world%20average%20price%20is,for%20highest%20electricity%20prices%20worldwide.) ~$0.14 for households and $0.12 for businesses per kWh. That's still much too expensive. When that gets to $0.07 for households and $0.06 for businesses, that's when the really interesting stuff will begin to happen, and when energy costs get down to $0.035 for households and $0.03 per kWh for businesses, the pace of discovery and innovation will dwarf the past 100 years of growth in a matter of 1-2 decades.

>>16235443
There's no such thing as "already paid for". Because if they didn't they'd have the extra lofty money. But I'm just saying Musks enemies might make the expansion costly. Giga Mexico was supposed to start this year, but due to negative political and media attacks on Tesla, the receptiveness/demand has gone down a bit. So I worry about Boring Company's expansion a bit. Not so much about Starlink or Starship.

>>16235447
I would have thought the last straw was when the tolerable old guard people left a few years back and they got replaced with a new generation of extra onions. It is kinda reassuring to see that they can still find new ways to become worse

>>16235455
>There's no such thing as "already paid for"
Depends on how you account for things, I have a $30m contract, that's $30m you can now borrow against as an asset, given how reliable Falcon launches have become it's pretty low risk

>>16235309
space is a volume, not a plane

>>16235462
Retards also think spacetime is a plane because thats how they represent it so simpletons can even just barely think they understand.

>>16235447
>>16235458
I love when they would have that sls boomer on to talk about all the boring sls stuff, and the soƴboys would feign interest

>>16235251
>most intelligent inkcel
Literally all you had to do was reverse image search it.

https://www.google.com/searchbyimage?sbisrc=4chanx&image_url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.4cdn.org%2Fsci%2F1718401819585092.jpg
>Mural in Yekaterinburg Railway Station depicting the 1960 downing of Francis Gary Powers' U-2 spy plane (Russia, 2002)

>>16235455
>due to negative political and media attacks on Tesla, the receptiveness/demand has gone down a bit
lol, lmao

>>16235458
>old guard people left a few years back
Chris and Chris are gone?

>>16234540
>>16234551
wiki says the first launch of long march 10 is anywhere between 2025 and 2027. if they only tested 3 out of 7 engines, are they anywhere close to launching next year?

>>16235499
2025 is wildly optimistic. 2027 is more reasonable, but they still have to build a launch pad for it

https://www.cosmos.esa.int/web/bepicolombo-swt/programme

>>16235455
>due to negative political and media attacks
are you a 5 year old? do you not know what a recession is?

>>16234551
>>16235499
There is no evidence of Long March 10 being anything more than a paper rocket at this point. Also
>plaque says the model is 1:10 scale
lmao, did the chinese literally just steal the plaque graphics from something else?

>On June 12 and 13, the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) will host a series of public scoping meetings to inform the public and answer questions about SpaceX’s proposal to launch Starship from Launch Complex 39A (LC-39A). There will also be a virtual meeting on June 17 for those unable to attend in person.

>June 12 – 2-4 p.m. ET, 6-8 p.m. ET at the Radisson Cape Canaveral, 8701 Astronaut Blvd, Cape Canaveral, Florida 32920
>June 13 – 6-8 p.m. ET at the Kennedy Space Center Visitor Complex, Space Commerce Way, Merritt Island, Florida 32953

Were these meetings broadcast anywhere?

>>16235506
>bepi columbo
Isn't the next flyby months away, are they just meeting to get things ready for the next datasets?

cannot wait until this little champ finally finds habitable earth like planets in the alpha centauri system and other nearby systems 10 parsecs

>>16235518
>steal the plaque graphics from something else?
hehe. reminds of that recent story of some chink rocket company stealing photos of the earth that were taken by the nips to use in their promo images

>>16235527
within 10 parsecs*

>>16234525
>long-term goal of having it perform a six-month docked mission at the space station
>their "long-term" goal is to be able to park it on the ISS for 6 months without killing anyone
lmao. it might genuinely be worse than I thought

>>16235525
Next flyby is on September 4.
It's their yearly Science Working Team meeting. Just wanted to post it here since Clear was present in the agenda.

>>16235506
/ourgirl/

>>16235506
How does she just keep winning

>>16235356
>How do they maek those car batteries deorbit?
not my problem

>>16234428
I wish I was Elon and she was an attractive woman

>>16235518
>There is no evidence of Long March 10 being anything more than a paper rocket at this point.
There's video of them performing a three engine test firing in this very thread. >>16235148

https://twitter.com/dsshhh114/status/1775103713704841400
Here's some satellite recon of the construction progress on the launch complex

>>16234838
kek

>>16235527
There are no habitable planets anywhere within 10,000 ly

No SpaceX but we got all this, imagine

>>16235597
Shuttle-C is a great idea in principle but way too many of the drafts were just "STS but the shuttle is also disposable," which really kills any advantages the idea would have had.

>>16235597
They should have kept using Ares I-X as a light cargo carrier

>>16235617
They should have done literally anything but leave us dependent on Russia and ULA for a decade

>>16235335
Also, don't even think about ass-firsting it back to the ground. That looks silly and cheap like flash gordon

>>16234428
She really tried hard to catch his eye, to no avail

>>16234428
Anon in these permissive times there's no reason you couldn't hookup with your own mother

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/counterfeit-titanium-found-boeing-and-airbus-jets

Counterfiet Titanium found in Boeing's jets

>>16235007
You actually shouldn't! A lot of people are against this but I think if you're into it you should go for it. Leave em out on your phone when you hop in the shower or something.

Hope you can nail her before she dies, that would be such a cute romance <3

>>16235638
They service them in third world countries and act shocked when counterfeits show up

>>16235134
Can piss locks work in zero g?

HOLY SHIT JANNY CLEANED UP THE CATALOGUE I CANT BELIEVE IT HE ACTUALLY DID HIS JOB FOR FUCKING ONCE????

>>16235611
How would it kill it? The payload capacity would've been considerably increased

>>16235611
x3 expendable RS-25s seem like a massive waste to launch a shitty probe to Jupiter or whatever, but here we are

>>16235646
Any plan that involves building a disposable space shuttle is not an economically viable plan

Okay so let's pretend we magically manage to make mars(and of course the moon) habitable for a significant amount of people. What happens next? Only a lunatic would think there's somewhere else we could feasibly go.

>>16235678
ceres and callisto are considered the next two, followed by ganymede

>>16235678
venus, in the sky and underground
mercury works too.
the rest are kind of shit

the only things left are asteroids/random moons

>>16235678
Jupiter system, Ceres and the belt

>>16235682
I’m a venusfag but this idea about underground bases within that gravity well for NO benefit is a meme that needs to die

>>16235688
its better than nothing

>>16235678
Alpha Centauri, baby

>>16235662
But it is viable, just talk to congress and spread the work around just right, and they'll fund anything

>>16235680
>>16235682
pointless. space travel would be justifiable if it could save us in a way earth could not(like the sun exploding) or if there were insanely valuable resources that would greatly offset the cost of the trips but nah, it's all a pointless vanity project.

>>16235597
the first crewed starship NEEDS to have livery that says
U
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S
T
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>>16235700
you should have died in africa

>>16235700
living is just a pointless vanity project
we can live wherever we want, eat a bag of dicks

>>16235703
There will never be a crewed starship, anon.

>>16235703
I am upset SLS did not have such a livery. They even managed to make the worm look boring by putting it in the most unimaginative spot :(

>>16235708
falcon 9 heavy may one day come about. SLS is real

>>16235708
spacex will install manual controls if the customer requests it

we're probably going to have manual controls eventually. if your commercial spaceship damages a commercial space station then you cant blame it on the algorithm. someone has to on the hook for damages, and it sure as hell isnt going to be the spaceship company. it's going to be the pilot. businesses need a fall guy.

with the advancements of AI won't we sooner have our consciousness transferred into a machine where we can simulate with 100% realism traveling anywhere?

>>16235717
>bombards your compute cluster from orbit
huh I guess space and the real world do matter

do you think spacex will sell/lease starships?

>>16235720
they already do

>>16235720
~$1B a piece would be a nice selling price for bulk order of 10.

>>16235723
to private groups/individuals not big daddy gubment

>>16235678
Dismantle Mercury and turn it into a gargantuan statite. Part planet-scale PROCSIMA array, part habitat for a trillion people.
Use the array to blast the atmosphere off Venus and spin it faster. Use the array to melt Europa. Use the array to obliterate aliens.

>>16234525
just have them pull up an empty crew dragon...

>>16235725
if you have coin elon has wares

>>16235729
>if you have coin
fuck i knew i forgot something

RESUME THE THICKENING

>>16235739
They can barely afford the capex and find the environmental approval and space for 9m let alone 18m, literal pie in the sky idea, literally impossible in reality

>>16235739
lets just get to mars with the one we have, then we make bigger, k?

>>16235727
>Use the array to obliterate aliens.
You misspelled 'earthers', anon.

Will NASA and Roscosmos even have diplomatic relations after they turn the lights off on the ISS for the last time?

>>16235746
probably not.

>>16235710
they've got margin to spare for the paint anyway. doubly so if block 2 ever happens. if we're gonna be stuck with a bullshit rocket they might as well make it look cool.

>>16235746
You vastly underestimate the back channels of the science world. If you want to get something to another country you ask a scientist, not a diplomat or a businessman, or even a journalist. They have bona fide reasons for interacting with international strangers and they do it CONSTANTLY

>>16235758
it's what made them such useful spies back when stalin wanted the bomb

>>16235742
SpaceX makes impossible into late. Also, all of your reasons why it's impossible are regulatory constraints, not physical.

>>16235782
We don't need 18m ship, it can't do anything than 9m can't do

>>16235783
Bad b8

>>16235783
Elon agrees with you. in fact 9m might be too big

>>16235727
>PROCSIMA
This doesn't work btw

>>16235831
neither do you

>>16235746
What use is there for having Roscosmos as a partner at this stage?

>>16235859
they're gonna accidentally force everyone to abandon the ISS a few years early and free up some budget

>>16235831
However: it does

>>16235859
Leaving aside geopolitics, ideally the goal is to get all humanity involved in space exploration. It is not an accident that ESA, JAXA and CNSA all do different things. They are all advancing the goal of space exploration by all possible means and are naturally trying to avoid duplicating the efforts of another space agency (aside from, you know, not sharing rocket and instrument design). Russia could still be part of space exploration if they truly desired it. Their Venus probe for instance is still the only mission to that planet likely to launch in a decade

https://x.com/GregAbbott_TX/status/1801838790014546007

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGupZnQxRJ4
did we discuss this already? axiom's first space station module is coming together. looks cramped as fuck though.

>me be
> know how to tig, mig, laser, and electrode well as well as numberous other skills
>flex on the other engineer in the office

>>16235961
>CSS undergoing expansion
>gateway, vast-1, and axiom station under construction
>ISS commercial replacement competition is ongoing
its a golden age of space stations

>>16235961
at least something is on schedule (cough Artemis)

>>16235746
>turn the lights off on the ISS for the last time?
>for the last time?
Actually, do they ever actually turn the lights off on the ISS at all?

>>16235948
https://eu.statesman.com/story/business/2024/06/14/spacex-boca-chica-texas-starship-launch-aerospace-legacy-space-travel/74017622007/

>>16235988
>burying the lede

>>16235990
>noo don't say chode

>>16235971
In 2018 I thought the most unrealistic part of the movie Rampage was any private company having a space station, let alone one this big. But soon we will be able to have illegal biowarfare labs in orbit.

>>16235990
just wait until the press gets ahold of this little gem Musky has been trying to bury for years, can you say CANCELLED

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrD9RfroIDY

>>16236017
are there pics of the new tiles yet?

>>16236024
I haven't seen any

>>16236004
no way is that real! O to the MFG lmao!

>>16236017
holy shit. its been 2 weeks and they are still only a fraction of the way done. looks like it will really be 3 months til next flight.

>>16235595
there likely may be planets more habitable than ""mars"" and that's all that matters

>>16235818
mini-starships!

>>16236031
AI

>>16235988
>eu.statesman.com
>eu.
wtf
>>16235990
I hate Austin leftists like you won't believe.

>>16235818
>in fact 9m might be too big
yes you are right lets go back to 5m diameter launcher and build even more cramped space stations modules & satellites like we have been doing for the past 50 years.
genius

>>16236042
clean your fucking desk, Robert

mars needs more mass. crash mercury into it.

>>16236076
high gravity is overrated, 1/3 Earth gravity is enough.

>>16236079
its not about gravity, its about lebensraum

>>16236081
mars has more usable land than earth currently
and even if terraform fags get their way we can still easily build higher into the sky and lower into the ground on Mars compared to Earth

>>16235985
Maybe in the cabins they use as sleeping areas, but there'd be no point in switching the lights off if you get 16 sunsets a day

>>16236091
why would terraforming mean we can't build more on mars? It's literally our handiwork and we can do whatever the fuck we want with it. Unless mars starts growing muffins on its own I guess.

>>16236091
I really wonder what mars cities may look like, the lower gravity certainly will help.

>>16236103
covid killed the skyscraper dream

>>16236103
I've liked this design

>>16236103
>>16236109
these two can co-exist
>>16236107
not true, mars will eventually have a population of at least 1 billion.
every population center will have skyscraper demand by default.

https://x.com/BocaChicaGal/status/1801404528924717524
>A second leg has gone vertical. @NASASpaceflight

>>16236079
not enough for an atmosphere though. If Mars had 2x the mass of Earth is could support lifu

>>16236103
They will look like tunnels

>>16236137
mars just needs an artificial magnetosphere probably at L1, it would help retain an atmosphere we build and do a decent job to protect it from radiation.

>>16236121
me getting out of bed

>>16236140

>>16236145
after a magnetosphere is established, how many months until there is a good atmosphere?

reminder that if we dig tunnels on Mars deep enough, the pressure gets high enough to support liquid water

>>16236145

>>16236156
>Battery/reactor/power source dies
It's over

>>16236151
>smash ammonia-heavy asteroids into it
>heat it with orbital mirrors
>greenhouse gas-producing factories

>>16236159
even it were to die we would have millions of years to replace it

>>16236161
>ammonia atmosphere

>>16236165
ammonia will break down into hydrogen and nitrogen almost immediately

>>16236167
how many asteroid do we need

>>16236169
no clue presumably heaps, but a combination of all current known methods will be needed.

>Project scientist, also known as Mastermind, speaks passionately about Mio public relations activities at the BepiColombo International Science Team meeting

Dragonfly may be the most ambitious science mission NASA has ever attempted: sending a car-sized, nuclear-powered octocopter to explore the surface of a distant ocean world.

In a voyage straight out of science fiction, Dragonfly will deliver the most expansive suite of science instruments ever dispatched to another celestial body. Dragonfly will cover more than 50 miles of the organics-rich Titan surface, landing, collecting and returning results that could change our understanding of life in the universe.

>>16236186
Papers will be written comparing spaceflight cultural outreach between the East and West >>16235287

>>16235641
Nope, not what happened. The counterfeit metal made it's way into Boeing's own supply chain. Specifically, it was discovered and reported by Spirit, the company that actually makes the fuselages for Boeing and sometimes forgets to actually install the plug doors.

>>16235612
>NASA should be sold off to Boeing or GM.

>>16235678
War against e*rthers

>>16235859
>russian space program collapses with no funding and nothing to do
>russian rocket scientists all get hired by Iran and North Korea
isn't this the reason the ISS, aka Mir II, exists in the first place? The US giving welfare to the Russian space industry after the Soviet Union fell apart to keep that talent employed in Russia instead of going to other countries.

we're half way through the year and already passed the total number of launches in 2020

>>16236203
also same reason Saturn V exists

>>16235990
>that elon is so sexist, he even shaped all his rockets like phalluses to harass us women. like, UGH!!

>>16236205
I don't think we'll ever see less than 200 orbital launches per year ever again

>>16236096
cause terraforming would flood various parts of mars, meaning less land to build on.

>>16236203
Yes. I was always so surprised at how open they were about their ulterior motives.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boD4ECbGSWA

>>16236213
build on and under the water.

Reminder that Hawaii has the ideal climate

>>16236216
>""ideal climate""
>everybody has industrial strength air conditioning
hmm yes, this checks out

>>16236109
Can someone make ONE (1) Mars building that doesn't look like a termite mound? Fucking architects. Imagine being born on Mars and realizing some Earther faggot retired in a glass house in the woods decided you would live like a bug.

>>16236225
damn I thought Hawaii had 22 degrees Celsius (72 F) almost every day. How come it's that hot.

>>16236225
damn I thought Hawaii had 22 degrees Celsius (72 F) almost every day. How come it's that hot. Shouldn't the ocean keep the islands cool

>>16236231
It's a literal tropical island mate, how could you have expected anything else?

>>16236227
>The inner ape longs for the tree
Kvetch more surfie

>>16235518
>Chinese literally just steal
You now remember the moon base render they released with the fucking space shuttle launching in the background

>>16236231
>>16236233
The ocean keeps Hawaii's temperature stable, it's 80F to 90F aka 26 C to 32 C all year around.
In other words, it's miserably hot without air conditioning, even in the winter.

>>16234975
if starship was soviet it would be a brutalist rectangle like this
>>16234355

>>16236240
>it's 80F to 90F aka 26 C to 32 C all year around.
sound like heaven to me.

>>16236242

>>16236237
It's not like we don't already know how to make large interior spaces simulating the ideal forest rendered in stone. Fucking architects

>>16236244
beautiful

>>16236245
forgot pic

>>16236243
Maybe if you're some sort of tropical jungle monkey. My ancestors hunted mammoths on plains of ice, such a hot climate as Hawaii could never be ideal for me.

>>16236245
>large interior spaces simulating the ideal forest rendered in stone
any examples?

>>16236248
Even our ancestor found winter miserable and celebrated summer and water. And Hawaii is permanent summer.

>>16236249
>>16236247
The Garden

>>16235643
>Can piss locks work in zero g?
Here's my concept for pneumatically actuated piss lock

> mfw when starliner crew come back in a dragon capsule

>>16236244
Stealthship Block 5

>>16236257
Add a second valve and that's the actual Apollo piss hole

>>16236257
wait, can you simply use a vagina to seal against vacuum? it's only 1 bar of pressure, maybe less.

>>16236266
There will be sum succ

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/06/14/business/faa-probe-counterfeit-titanium-boeing-airbus/index.html

A chink company has been caught supplying boeing (and airbus, and probably even more plane producers) with substandard titanium.
Very unlikely, but how funny would it be if some of that chinesium made it's way on starliner?

>>16236261
Yep it would unironically be radar stealthy

>>16236269
Today I will remind them

>>16236258
You just know that behind the scenes spaceX has been asked to prep a falcon9&dragon for this scenario.

>>16236269
>not craving the strength and certainty of steel
this is why spacex wins