/sci/ - Science & Math

hey one of those lights arent on id get a new bulb or something

>>16232673
True dat, but FAA thinks its not an issue.

Big update to LC-39A layout and how it will be structured.

https://x.com/thesheetztweetz/status/1801006816794435767
Official thing in OP btw, Sheetz says so.

>>16232670
why did you think we needed a 7th thread?

>>16232682
Need to continue with an official chain that follows procedures properly. Also using the other threads just gives the thread griefer what he wants, whats more is that if no thread differentiates itself to whatever future janny comes in to sweep up this mess then all of them will get deleted again so one must be made and be proper at that to group all serious posters on /sfg/.
Im also trying to make serious posts here with effort put in to inform /sfg/ and show everyone this thread is real in order to achieve that grouping of real posters.

Also what the fuck is gonna happen to the next ship without the correct wing cutouts that Block 2 is supposed to have? Will it also just fucking melt or am I missing something there.

>>16232690
They're probably going to patch the TPS on the flaps for the rest of v1

>>16232670
fake thread

>>16232699
Ive provided a screenshot of page 10 at staging and am actively trying to foster spaceflight discussion. This is as real a thread as it can get.

>>16232703
nice try

>>16232703
maybe if you read the previous thread you would have seen that there was a staging at page 10 to the early stage thread, which is what we always do to avoid thread splitting. just because janny nuked threads to bring us back to page 9 doesn't mean we need another thread

why can't the janny just merge the threads? what the fuck

>>16232712
There was no screenshot included at that staging and Im not even sure that was page 10 anyways and it wasnt just you saying it plus it wasnt being used and pretty obvious youre the same person that made an early stage thread based on file name of >>16232245 >>16232048 >>16232272 all starting with GP prove you are a fraud.

>>16232719
faggot

>>16232678
Great, now we just need to get FWS/EPA off their backs.

>>16232670
uhh bros why is one raptor down? I thought the Raptor was a solved problem????????????

>>16232715
Janny deleted the threads complaining about this mess but didnt delete the extra threads. Infact he cleaned out 30 threads or so but not the duplicates.

>>16232712
>which is what we always do to avoid thread splitting
fuck off newfag. This is exactly not what we do.

>>16232721
That wasn't a new thread. Screen shot doesn't mean shit about how that thread was created.

discuss all the discoveries made by JWST

>>16232721
its in the middle of the thread right now, this thread is fine

>>16232732
The Big Bang is a lie. Matter creation timestamps plus QI explain redshift.

>>16232734
>Matter creation timestamp
qrd?

>>16232732
we have a thread for that too
>>16230880

>>16232739
absolute state

https://x.com/esa_hera/status/1801247195636662465
I never knew about Hera, is this based or cringe? Also any other planetary defense missions active or other cool and obscure probes I should know about? I mostly track roggets and commercial space stations

Also have some Mars roggs

>>16232746
LISA is an upcoming space based gravitational wave observatory made my ESA.

>>16232738
There is not one single cosmic horizon, because there is not one creation date. Fluctuations in the quantum vacuum create new matter over time (and presumably new antimatter, that asymmetry is still an open question). The new matter can't "see" farther back than the moment of its creation and so redshift decreases over time as it can causally interact with more of the universe. Since under QI gravity is a gradient in Unruh scale light pressure this means old mass can still interact with new mass gravitationally as Unruh photons continue to bombard baryons at all times, but the new matter's redshift for *emitted* photons decreases over time. The CMB is emitted inward by the edge of the universe itself, an echo of *our* moment of creation, which may or may not be the same CMB seen by matter older than our solar system.

>>16232750
3 different sats in 3 different orbits?

>>16232754
wut

>>16232750
Dedicated to gravitational waves is cool but I still dont get how they makes ripples, isnt gravity supposed to be instantaneous in transmission of its force since all particles have gravity that acts on all other things in the universe even to a quintillionth of a piconewton? Obviously inverse square law makes gravity practically nothing at long distances but its still technically acting even billions of lightyears away. So how does it make ripples that go out over time?

>>16232758
Yes.

>>16232754
Not sure if next Einstein or Terrence Howard

>>16232760
gravity travels at the speed of light but I'm not sure how it makes the waves though.

>>16232764
Do you know why it travels at the speed of light? All these concepts are so abstract its amazing I even got my head around how everywhere is the center of the universe and spacetime at all

>>16232762
Not even Terrence Howard. It's just word salad. It's like something generated by GPT2.

>>16232676
why is it taking so long for them to construct another tower there? Test site will soon have a second one up and running

>>16232764
>gravity travels at the speed of light
It's better to say that changes in the geometry of spacetime propagate outward at the speed of light. Which answers the gravitational wave question. Matter tells space how to curve; sometimes matter can set the geometry of space into an oscillating state that can be detected (by a sufficiently sensitive detector) a long way away.

>>16232766
>everywhere is the center of the universe
explain

>>16232766
>Do you know why it travels at the speed of light
"the speed of light" is just the speed at which information travels

>>16232782
why is photon the only particle that travels at the speed of light.?.

>>16232783
It has 0 mass. Mass needs infinite energy to go C

>>16232670
>>16232245
>>16232691
>>16231408
>>16232048

I vote for this thread

direct democracy, just as Musk would have wanted.

>>16232783
Light travels at a certain speed, that speed being determined by the properties of the vacuum. We call it the "speed of light" because that's the speed …of light. "Light propagates at the speed of light" is kind of tautological.

>>16232803
how can vacuum have properties.

>>16232778
https://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/GR/centre.html#:~:text=There%20is%20no%20centre%20of,it%20is%20the%20same%20everywhere.
These guys explain it way better than I ever could and even have an analogy to make it easier to understand.
>>16232796
Ohhh shit I remember requesting that image be made, I think if was IFT-1 if I'm not mistaken since there was a Dawn of the Final Day Edition thread up before launch.

>>16232808
yeah

>>16232808
Also because 'center' is a singular point, but technically everywhere is the center of the universe, there is no center of the universe since everywhere is the 'center' of the universe.
>>16232813
Fuck I still hate that the hawaiian zoophile made that and hid the little Starfox logo in there.

>>16232732
astroonomers get your own thread

We really should get an aerospace board.
/ae/

>>16232825
No.

>>16232825
Yes.

The speed of light will be killed.

>>16232839
FTL travel will never exist and can never exist either way get bent.

>>16232841
Can't exist. FTL travel = causality violation, which is the best proof by contradiction I can think of.

>>16232846
>>16232841
alcubierre drive

Total Schizo Death

>>16232859
this is how you get moved to >>>/trash/ btw

>>16232859
Brave

The other guy who complained about jannies not doing their job got banned and his thread deleted

>>16232859
>>16232862
Its one retard and janny isnt doing his job either. Blame janny not us we cant delete his threads.

starliner update? will they really risk the lives of 2 astronauts to see how reliable those shitty thrusters are?

>>16232746
Hera is a nice addition, to find out what happened to the DART asteroid. I originally thought it was stupid they waited so long, Hera could have been close during the impact. After seeing the scale of the impact ejecta I guess it would have fucked Hera up badly.

Another obscure and cool probe is ESA's Comet Interceptor. A mission which will linger at L2 until a cool object is spotted and it will burn to intercept. Maybe an interstellar comet like the one with the stupid name.

>>16232878
I think they are going to try to depart on the 18th

>>16232867
Complain via the feedback form. I've had it work in the past.
>>16232862
That's probably the thread spammers' goal.

Any new news on Corpseliner's return flight date?

>>16232732
deboonking the big bang rn

>>16232734
Total BS. McCulloch never asserts QI is anything but part of an expanding universe after a hot big bang.
>Since under QI gravity is a gradient in Unruh scale
Not even Mike is crazy enough to claim he can explain gravity from QI.

>>16232762
The latter.

>>16232824
fuck off gatekeeper

>>16232884
>Complain via the feedback form.
Where can I file the form? Also fuck of bureaucrat

>>16232899
Mike does actually explain gravity from QI and the uncertainty principle and asserts space does not bend, which necessarily means the universe cannot grow.

>>16232739
That's the most pathetic samefagging I've ever seen.

>>16232859
Logically, the next flight is No Mishap Edition.

>>16232904
Bottom of the home page, select moderation feedback in the drop down

>>16232905
Source?

>>16232906
you have no proof

why are you homos spamming the board with /sfg/ threads

>>16232928
Cause mod/jannies dont want to delete those threads and ban people for reporting them.

>>16232928
We arent. We have one newfag sperg that came here during IFT-4 and is trying to get us in hot water with janny for some reason. Janny is maliciously leaving these threads up also, he deleted 30 threads earlier as well as a thread telling him to delete the duplicate threads but didnt delete all the duplicates. The regular and proper /sfg/ users are trying to take up as little catty space as possible and staying here and baking new threads at page 10 but we cant ban and delete the spergs threads. Im sorry but the onus is on janny here, not the majority of /sfg/.

>>16232919
His tweets, he dabs on bent space all the time. I think he actually published the Heisenberg derivation as a paper.

>>16232846
>arrive somewhere before light does
>WTF THAT'S CHEATING, BAN HIM BAN HIM NOW!

>>16232868
Jannies can't delete threads, only mods can.

>>16232846
The universe does not obey local realism. Causality is not immutable.

https://archive.is/FITR9

>>16232954
Get a mod on here then for fucks sake this is a situation deserving of one. Fucking tranitor cant do anything worth shit.

>>16232936
I wish to void excrement from the bowels through the anus onto the janny.

>>16232955
what is local realism and what are the everyday implication of the lack thereof?

Reminder a janny lurks this thread, during ift 4 he deleted an image to post the outcome of the flight.

Here's a post from today actually.

https://x.com/memcculloch/status/1800204575875662011

>>16232965
Actions can have causes outside their light cone. NoFTLers in shambles.

>>16232678
Election is coming up and it's been obvious that the current administration is hampering space progress for political reasons. Got to tone it down for a bit.

What made the fag seethe and create threads?
The absolute state of the catalog

>>16232977
Probably some random drama in the IFT-4 thread that nobody but him paid attention to. People that sperg out this much usually are vindictive losers that will take the smallest infraction against them to the ends of the Earth. It only happened after IFT-4. Another alternative is that it is the same hawaiian zoophile from IFT-2 that did the same exact thing

multiple sfg threads, have we forgotten the past?

>>16232994
Yes.

Could you clowns talk about spaceflight rather than about /sfg/, thanks.
Will the next SS launched have the same flap configuration?

NASA LIVESTREAM
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11xm95MtOr4
NASA’s Disaster Response Coordination System Launch Event

>>16233005
I would say yes, changing the configuration would be very time consuming
though who knows, maybe they do change it and the 4 other ships already built instead of waiting for v2

>>16232936
wait that guy who spent the whole of last weekend screaming about spacex is still at it? amazing lol he larped as gen x too

>>16233005
Nobody says SS Starship is already short enough stop trying to use these stupid acronyms
Yes only Block 2 will change

>>16233014
Oh my fucking god it is him isnt it? He argued for two 1000 post long threads of course its him.

>>16233012
they should call it something other than a "launch" event. I don't see any rockets going up

>>16232947
>>16232905
The paper derived Newtonian gravity, which as we all know is wrong. It is a classical limit. You cannot replace bent spacetime with classical gravitation.
Also as usual it makes precisely zero sense as without General Reality there is no expanding universe, and no horizon. The horizon radius that Mike needs in all his calculation.

>>16233012
we need Jim back asap, this old stiff is putting me to sleep rn.

>>16232746
I like Phobos and Deimos, so I can't wait for MMX (Phobos orbiter/lander/sample return)
(hope it won't fail like the previous Phobos missions...)

I remember reading that dark matter (if it exists) isn't evenly distributed so would that effect the speed of light?

>>16233029
Dark matter is obviously just antimatter which solves baryonic asymmetry.

>>16233033
>there are gigantic galactic clouds of antimatter in the voids between galaxies
terrifying

https://twitter.com/torybruno/status/1801317285371514942
>Looks like another BE4 engine has just arrived at the a rocket Factory in Decatur. Thanks blueorigin. One more and we’ll have all the engines needed for Vulcan’s 2024 manifest.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Vulcan_launches#2024
If we're taking Wikipedia as an accurate source, that'd mean ULA currently has a stock of 11 BE-4 engines

What's the deal with the Bootes Void?

>>16233038
Your mum ate it all

>>16233038
[INT. MONK'S CAFE - DAY]

Jerry, Elaine, George, and Kramer are sitting in their usual booth.

Jerry: What's the deal with the Bootes Void?

Elaine: Is that a new club downtown?

George: No, it’s a giant empty region in space. Like the black hole of the universe.

Kramer: It's like Jerry's fridge on Sunday night. Nothing in it!

Jerry: Exactly! 330 million light-years and there's practically nothing there. Who misplaced a chunk of the universe?

Elaine: Maybe it’s where all the socks go when they disappear from the dryer.

George: Or where my high school girlfriend went. One day she was there, next, poof! Gone.

Jerry: She probably found a better galaxy.

Kramer: What if there's something in the void, but it's invisible? Like cosmic ninjas.

Elaine: Cosmic ninjas? Now that's a show I’d watch.

Jerry: Relax, George. There's no cosmic ninjas.

[INT. COMEDY CLUB – NIGHT]

Jerry is on stage, microphone in hand.

Jerry: So I was reading about the Bootes Void. This huge empty space in the universe. Did someone misplace it? Did it roll under the cosmic couch? Imagine the realtor's pitch: "A spacious void, perfect for those who love peace, quiet, and absolutely nothing else."

Audience laughs as the scene fades out.

>>16233038
It's a result of the pocket formed when galactic structures merge together and form nodules in a web. Similar to how a spider doesn't create an infinitely dense web but there's significant pockets between each node on it.

>>16233038
that's just a nebula

https://x.com/NASA/status/1801315087879205233

>>16233054
Who asked for this

>>16233033
The lack of annihilation gamma rays says otherwise.

>>16233029
Nope. It has nothing to do with the speed of light.

>>16233044
Kino

>>16233054
how does this actually help anyone?
you know what would really help humanity you may ask,
colonizing every planet and moon of the Solar system, building giant space stations where hundreds of millions will live and eventually building a Star Empire within a 20ly bubble.
I plan ahead in millennia while retarded nasa only cares about dumb planet side shit

>>16233028
Nic3

>>16232969
>Actions can have causes outside their light cone.
freewillbros...

>>16232984
it's the schizo that came back to watch ift4 and didn't leave.

>>16233083
I speak for all alien species when I say that whites should not spread the tiny hat and jogger menace through the cosmos.

>>16233018
lmao yeah that would make sense

>>16233005
I hope they wrap the entire fucking rocket in a copper pipe soil and send gases through said coil.

>>16233038
reminder that the universe is homogenous on the largest scales.

So where all the flaps melting or only the one?
one flap melting and still doing the flip is amazing, but if all were in similar state it's going in the surreal side of things.

This has actually been a pretty good thread minus the whole.... situation thats been going on. Quality discussion and sharing of space and spaceflight knowledge, proud of you bros for making the best out of this.

>>16233024
Sadly, Big Jim went to the dark side.

>>16233038
An interstellar cloud of pure Nigronium

Aged like fine wine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eco99_cdJrY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6YOjVyavTM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNt_SyJjNGw&t

So the leaked training audio was from Polaris Dawn training.
The "Commander" is Jared Isaacman.
Interesting that NASA is so closely involved

>>16233124
>Aged like fine whine
ftfy

>>16233124
His first vid about SLS vs Starship is the funniest one. He trashes a specific youtube channel for Elon fanboys for being overly optimistic and having no technical knowledge, and in the end they were far more correct about the present than he was.

>>16233106
According to Elon, only the one.

>>16233126
another leak? qrd?

>concern trolling
I have never watched your faggy youtubers and never will

Anyway, what's your opinion on propellant depots?

>>16233138
No the one yesterday on the ISS channel

>>16233124
Don't really want to watch these right now, can you make a list or at least some examples of things that aged well or not so well? Has he addressed any of it after the fact?

>>16233141
Depots are a spook. Now if you'd come with me behind this barn...

>>16233141
I wonder if radiators will be efficient enough, and suspect it may need a JWSTesque sun shield

>>16233124
>hurls søy boy style insults in the first 20 seconds
Even for fun I can't watch this

>some bigot writes off my very legitimate raptor reliability concerns as trolling
fuck off

>>16232690
They took all the tiles off the current ship presumably to add a one-time extra slab of custom tiles covering the gap

Block 2 will get the new, swept flaps on the dorsal side. They have already been spotted by RGV

>>16233124
Not giving you ad revenue.
Summarize your points.

>>16233158
Are you 25% failure rate anon? Even if not you deserved a vicious mocking.

>>16233163
nice argument faggot

>>16231502
>Unironically earth imaging is one way to break into the market
That's because every satellite that makes money points at Earth. Every single one. I ask any of you to present me with a single counter example.

>>16233015
SS stands for Super Smooth

>>16233163
not an argument. fuck yourself. You space cadets are faggots and yeah I can say that on here.

>>16233163
What argument is there to be made, you were openly lying about the failure rate of Raptors.

>>16233163
he obviously is

>>16233170
>>16233167
What argument is there to be made, you were openly lying about the failure rate of Raptors.

elon sobbing
>bawww i shoulda made a fake aerospike engine for starship and done 12m diameters
too late, elon. this is the world you chose.

>>16233175
>12 m
everybody knows 16 m would be better

>>16233175
you misspelt 18m.

>>16233180
how dare you disrespect the supremacy of 24m

>>16233180
I'm partial to 1.27x10^7m diameter starship

>>16233182
Superheavy should be the shape of a ufo

With these bigger diameters we could get a few extra cubic kilometers of space on Starship

>>16232749
luv me some roggs

>>16233187
Earther scum detected

>chinese astronaut states that he couldn't see a chinese monument from space
>European Space Agency decide they need to Correct the Record (tm) and defend the reputation of the Chinese monument... from the Chinese
>get it wrong
What is the cause of this?

>>16233175
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9n3A_-HRFfc
picrel MSL gigapan: retry.gigapan.com/gigapans/235023

>>16233192
Interesting...

>>16233203
wow! dusty rocks and sand! never seen that before. we need a mars polar lander that doesn't crash

>>16233152
Will probably need both desu, though you probably don't need to be as autistic about the shield as JWST

>16233173

https://www.chron.com/culture/article/bird-wildlife-damage-spacex-19512429.php

>>16233221
People like this need to be fed into industrial shredders and their gore used to feed birds.

>>16233221
>In all, only five total eggs within four individual nests (out of 22 eggs within nine nests) were found intact and still viable following the launch.
SEVENTEEN EGGS. how can muskrats think this is ok?!

>>16233221
TPD

>>16233221
They'll learn to build the nests further away as launch cadence increases

>>16233221
A flame done charred my sister Nell. (with Elon on the Moon)
Her wings and beak began to swell. (and Elon's on the Moon)
I can't pay no veterinarian bill. (but Elon's on the Moon)
Ten years from now I'll be paying still. (while Elon's on the Moon)

https://x.com/i/broadcasts/1eaKbgrljqRGX

starlink

>>16233238
Replace "on the Moon" with "off to Mars."

>>16233252
I meant to replace "sister" with "plover" too. I'll work on it for next time.

>>16233244
Nothing happened

Bros I bet the /pol/ sperg that was always talking about the juice is the same person as the thread splitter. Both tourists showed up after IFT-4 and both tourists speak the same and are the same (cancer).

https://www.space.com/nasa-astronauts-spacewalk-june-13-2024-postponed

>>16232670
boomp

>>16233272
LOL!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4Y_9coT-vw
https://twitter.com/i/broadcasts/1eaKbgrljqRGX
Starlink time again, weather might be an issue
T-60:00

>>16233278
Wait, no, it's now T-3:00:00. No need to get excited yet

>>16233281
I wasn't going to

>>16233272
Dead men can't EVA, ISS bodycount cover-up confirmed

>>16233278
It's been a bit rainy in Florida this week

>>16233044
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yI9UIzbxArQ&ab_channel=YoutubeFX

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/06/13/pentagon-picks-blue-origin-spacex-ula-in-5point6-billion-rocket-program.html

>>16232806
>how can vacuum have properties

>>16233271
Bro I know you're the EDS tourist

>>16233323
>they don't know
Will BO get to orbit before the contract is up?

>>16233328
don't quote that schizo fraud here. You know this guy could hallucinate the sound of lightning from 300 miles away?

you guys seen that pickle thread that pops up when you search for sfg?

>>16233333
nice digits but NO, DONT MENTION IT

https://x.com/thesheetztweetz/status/1801372405199217077

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/06/13/pentagon-picks-blue-origin-spacex-ula-in-5point6-billion-rocket-program.html

>>16233356
>SpaceX in second place yet again
This has got to be absolutely tiresome. I dare the DoD to show their evaluations and explain how ULA beats out SpaceX. That said, I fully expect Tory to complain about not getting enough money for 26 launches once they get to like launch 5 of Vulkan.

>>16233362
Worse, Blue Origin will get more money in future because thats just how the old guards rolls.

They got $4B on NASA and SpaceX got $3B.

I like this camera angle

>>16233365
>>16233362
It would make sense from a perspective of preventing a monopolyif they werent always awarding less to SpaceX even when SpaceX wasthe upstart small company

>>16233362
they were in second place for the NSSL-2 contracts awarded in 2020, when the air force was still assmad over spacex suing and winning over the first round of contracts. spacex is easily gonna win the majority of heavy lift contracts this time.

>>16232766
Gravity propagates at lightspeed because it is light.

>>16233038
That's all the dyson spheres.

>>16233362
>>16233373
I would love to see the day when SpaceX has enough cash on hand and work to do that they reply to an RFQ with, "No thanks, we're good."

>>16232766
The speed of light actually has nothing to do with light. It's the speed of causality. Light, being massless, just happens to travel at that speed (and it physically cannot travel faster without breaking cause-and-effect).
>>16232783
Because it has 0 mass. All massless particles travel at the speed of light.

Bend the knee

comparing backlog sizes for spacex vs. ULA

>>16233372
>olympics happens
>1st place gets bronze medal
>2nd place gets silver medal
>3rd place gets gold medal
>because uhh monopoly

>>16233382
We're halfway into the year. They're not gonna launch even half of that

>>16233272
probably from the multiple DPS hits

>>16233384
yeah i fucked up reading that and those are just missions awarded in 2023 that don't have a launch date yet.
now that i know what i'm looking at the total launches remaining on the current contract:
vulcan 25
atlas 1
falcon 9 16
falcon heavy 3

>>16233381
What's with all those struts inside? Extra mass just so they can transport it horizontally?

>>16233381
>Mogs starshit

How will muskrats cope when new gleen succeed in the first launch?

>>16233362
Memes aside the ULA target market is basically this specific contract. They are arguably competitive here and here alone

>>16233383
NASA is correct to prop up other companies. Look what happend when theylet the entire space industry whittle away to one conglomerate in the Shittle era.

>>16233396
blue's going with square tankage

>>16233382
>backlog
>Vulcan Centaur
Well there's your problem.

>>16233399
that's a fine philosophy. funny how nobody cared back when the industry was whittled away to ULA and nobody else 20 years ago.

>>16233381
Isn't this just something shaped like a rocket to test out adjacent systems? It's as flight capable as a statue

>>16233368
yeah damn thats a hot angle. shame they didnt have angles like this back when falcon 9 was as awesome as starship is today

>>16233399
state mandated monopoly
state mandated losers bracket

Why not just let free market decide?

>>16233407
the free market creates monopolies anon...
>but muh gobermint enforces monopolies!
thats because the monopoly arose in the first place. the monopoly would simply enforce itself withits own armed forces if the state vanished. No free market is stable, as soon as someone gets enough power they take it over. Feudalism is the natural result.

>>16233356
>SpaceX
>ULA
>Blue Origin
This is going to be awkward when the sale of ULA finally goes through

>>16233404
yeah it's not like mockups are embarrassing in of themselves, it's just funny that it's the only hardware they have to show off after all these years

>>16233401
I advocate triangluar tankage

>>16233410
There has never been a bad free market monopoly. Its always state mandated monopolies or state mandated losers brackets that are the cause of evil and suffering of our modern life

https://x.com/StarshipGazer/status/1801388371219984401
>The vertical assembly of Starbase Tower 2 has begun!
>6/13/24

>>16233415
reminds me of the time Musk had this talk in boca chica and there was a big mockup on starship behind him. They even put an American flag on it.

>>16233328
>says man who died decades before the first satellite

>>16233422
good thing the mockups they currently have are capable of soft water landings in the indian ocean

>>16233362
>SpaceX in second place yet again

The distribution of launches has not been announced.

>>16233421
fake news

>>16233421
https://x.com/VickiCocks15/status/1801388209324044369

>be me
>born just in time to witness AI takeover
what are the chances

>>16233419
young monopolies are usually great, like SpaceX for example, but a monopoly has a tendancy to stick around even when it becomes rotten and kill any competitors. Google is an example, used to be amazing and now youre better off asking a homeless crack head, but its still the undispuited monopoly

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GP-Bb5GXcAAh1NU?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

>>16233432
fake, fact checked: untrue

>>16233419
you know there's other countries' companies competing with your state mandated monopolies or whatever?

>>16233438
what's up with the artifacts? why does it look like that?

>>16233436
There are like a hundred different search engines you can use that aren't google, what are you hallucinating.

>>16233332
this is why normalfags who assume elon has to be a fraud because he says stupid shit sometimes are completely off the mark. tesla and edison would both say or do something stupider than elon's ever done multiple times every year.

>>16233444
its CGI, fake, international scam section (ISS)

>>16233432
>OLIT-B
holy fuck just call it tower 2

>>16233452
no no we have to be autistically precise

>>16233438
I hope they release pictures of spysats

>>16233436
Google rots and others are taking its place.

>>16233447
All three never really invented anything and were businessmen? That three phase asynchronous motor that you thought Tesla invented? It was actually first described by some Italian dude (everyone forgets his name) in a paper he openly published. Meanwhile Teslas patent was waiting for approval

>>16233444
It was taken from one of Maxar's observation satellites. They probably caught the station as a small part of a large frame

>>16233438
>>16233448
Caught it with a telescope. Looks like shit but definitely not a plane.

>>16233460
balloon

>>16233452
Call it north tower.

>>16233461
Baloon wouldn't pass from west horizon to east horizon in less than a minute.

>>16233458
>All three never really invented anything
why would that matter? if you follow spaceflight for any length of time you gain an appreciation for how being the first to make an idea work is orders of magnitude harder and more important than being the first to come up with the idea. with that said, claiming that edison never really invented anything is egregious bullshit. he was the victim of patent trolling far more often than he benefitted from it.
he was the greatest inventor in american history and it's not even close.
>and were businessmen?
so you're saying they made inventions into something useful for public consumption?

can't find a picture of that inflatable spysat when I need it

>>16233466
ultra fast high speed high altitude balloon

>>16233467
>so you're saying they made inventions into something useful for public consumption?
Tesla sure didn't. His Tesla transformer and Tesla turbine have no know uses.

I think a god damn satellite just burned up in front of my eyes looking west towards Warsaw here on the right bank, just a few minutes ago. Did anyone else see anything?

>>16233381
>fake rocket
OH NO NO NO NO

>>16233474
Croatiafag here, saw nuttin

>>16233474
It was just the ISS self-destructing.

>>16233474
ISS

>>16233477
long overdue if I'm being QUITE honest

>>16233472
Ah, must be Russian-Chinese coop.

>>16233483
Also does anybody want some OC from my scope?

>>16233488
Obvious stop motion animation of round muffins on a black background.

>>16233488
nice. you should try calculating your longitude with those moons.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_longitude#Satellites_of_Jupiter

>>16233490
muffins don't exist

>>16233488
cool if you really took that. I always thought about getting into astrophotography but I live in south florida and I'm only interested in expensive gear because of it's capabilities

>>16233493
Reminder that Galileo was based, but was also so autistic that the inquisition house arrest was pretty much warranted kek

how did I miss this kino post when half of what this gen does is repost twitter you fucks

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1800595236416364845

I think we can do it. Progress is accelerating.

Starship offers a path to far greater payload to the Moon than is currently anticipated in the Artemis program.

A permanently crewed Moon base is possible.

>>16233500
This would have driven this general mad just 2 years ago. Back then it felt like Elon was tiptoeing around calling out Artemis and SLS directly

>>16233500
Retard

>>16233493
Nice

>>16233497
Start with anything and grow up from that.

Venus. Would you rather solar system, our galaxy or other galaxies?

>>16233500
It was posted, and noted that "accelerating progress" is the cognitive bias at the root of "Elon time", e.g. he anticipates accelerating progress and makes overly optimistic predictions when linear progress happens instead.

>>16233472
Anon out here photographing tictacs

>>16233511
Uranus and Neptune
Settle the colour debate

>>16233511
Definitely our solar system and any other deep sky object. Basically I have a ZOOM obsession. I do regular photography. I bought a light pollution filter if I can get something with that then maybe I'll invest in some gear

>>16233517
can't post uranus on blue boards

>>16233521
correct, it's turquoise

>>16233517
>Settle the colour debate
Unfortunately you have to callibrate the color balance of your camera. In this situation you do it using the known stars. But atmosphere can shit on your callibration. Here is a totally arbitrary Youranus

>>16233466
chinese hypersonic spy balloon
>>16233511
post mars

>>16233514
elon is a fucking idiot. just stop cleaning up after him when he throws the toy out the pram.

>>16233530
I got you
>>16233483

Oh oh, ozonebros, we're in trouble again!
>Large constellations of small satellites will significantly increase the number of objects orbiting the Earth. Satellites burn up at the end of service life during reentry, generating aluminum oxides as the main byproduct. These are known catalysts for chlorine activation that depletes ozone in the stratosphere. We present the first atomic-scale molecular dynamics simulation study to resolve the oxidation process of the satellite's aluminum structure during mesospheric reentry, and investigate the ozone depletion potential from aluminum oxides. We find that the demise of a typical 250-kg satellite can generate around 30 kg of aluminum oxide nanoparticles, which may endure for decades in the atmosphere. Aluminum oxide compounds generated by the entire population of satellites reentering the atmosphere in 2022 are estimated at around 17 metric tons. Reentry scenarios involving mega-constellations point to over 360 metric tons of aluminum oxide compounds per year, which can lead to significant ozone depletion.
https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2024GL109280

>>16233531
>elon is so stupid, he made the most successful rocket organization in the entire planet.... entirely by LE ACCIDENT!
lmao

>>16233533
nice! you can really see the canali

>>16233533
do earth next

>>16233535
Tom Mueller made that and now hes off to doit again with impulse.

>>16233539
why didn't blue origin hire tom mueller? they were founded first, and had more money.

>>16233278
https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1801401965643288890
>All systems are looking good, weather is 40% favorable, and propellant load is about to begin for tonight’s launch of 22 Starlink satellites from Florida

V'ger lives

https://blogs.nasa.gov/voyager/2024/06/13/voyager-1-returning-science-data-from-all-four-instruments/

>>16233356
>>16233362
>>16233398
This seems like as good a time as any to remind everyone:

https://nitter.poast.org/elonmusk/status/963092110994886656
>Feb 12, 2018
>Maybe that plan works out, but I will seriously eat my hat with a side of mustard if [Vulcan Centaur] flies a national security spacecraft before 2023
https://nitter.poast.org/torybruno/status/963117183520817152
>Wow

Six years later, the first national security launch for Vulcan Centaur is currently scheduled for no earlier than Q4 2024.
https://nextspaceflight.com/launches/details/5054

>>16233537
A special image for a special (You)

>>16233534
Nonsense article.

~80,000 tons of meteoric materials enter Earth's atmosphere each year and have been for the last few billions of year every year.

>>16233500
I'm going to tell him to start calling the Moon Luna just to infuriate /sfg/

>>16233551
why would I be mad about that?

>>16233425
Before or after, what's the difference?

>>16233551
anybody who complains will get rocks thrown at them

https://x.com/VickiCocks15/status/1801407090717602114

2nd tower being put up now.

>>16233565
sfg told me this was fake news

>>16233474
I saw some yellow light moving downwards around 50 minutes past midnight.

>>16233543
Lived longer than its chief scientist
RIP Ed Stone

>>16233542
SCRUBBED

>>16233576
https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1801409332250321132
>Standing down from tonight’s Falcon 9 launch attempt due to weather, now targeting Friday, June 14

Lame. Launch it and push some envelopes

>>16233576
ARJGH! six days without an orbital launch, I'm going insane!

>>16233567

rockets that can't handle a little bit of rain and wind are a perpetual embarrassment to the industry. this needs to be addressed.

>>16233511
First series of starlink
(better luck next time)

>>16233580
Starship makes this problem obsolete by never launching

>>16233580
Still got it

>>16233590
what continent is that?

>>16233590

>>16233596
tataria

>>16233601
Wrong its Bavaria

>>16233381
>too flimsy to support its own weight while on its side without stulling
And this thing is supposed to be reusable?

>>16233606
rockets don't fly sideways

>>16233435
Pretty good actually. A good chunk of all the people there have ever been are alive right now.

>>16233602
kek

>>16233609
Starship does

>>16233438
>Be ayy lmao
>Survey the Sol system
>this primative shitbox is the biggest spacecraft in there
>tfw

>>16233611
wait so wtf happens if that trend begins to nosedive downward? People “can’t afford” children, soon the global population is just a ton of old people and the young people get tired of having to pay for them, society will fall off in numbers all over the globe right? I’ve seen reports about the india / china population finally stagnating, and even the “hot” reproductive areas like Africa not being good enough to outpace everyone else like you and me growing old and dying

>>16233609
space is mostly sideways

its over for you people.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm46r6vGGt8

starship

>>16233631
>pants
ruined

>>16233639

>>16233611
>according to the UN
they're political shills, they lie about everything.
your lame graph is completely fake

>elon is back on track to get 50 billion from tesla
100% of it better fucking go to mars

>>16233623
We'll lean heavily in AI and robotics to make up for the man power shortage, thus hastening the AI take over.
>india
At replacement rate right now, but will slip under soon
>china
Completely fucked themselves demographically with the 1 child policy and in all likelihood have begun loosing population.
>Africa
Contains the vast majority of positive birthrate countries now, but they are starting to fall.
>what will really happen
A long period of gradual decline coupled with economic stagnation and the end of any dreams of space colonization. Most of the technological advances in this period will likely be centered around the man power shortage, not space. No need for lebensraum if the population is shinking.

>>16233649
It will go to his ket addiction and you vill like it.

>>16233649
It's strange to me this is even a question. The agreement was risky for Musk and the payoff equally rewarding. The whole media circus around the thing is a joke.

>>16233649
1000-3000 humanoid robots in Tesla factory next year. Which is a good sign that it can be deployed on Mars/moon.

Currently they have deployed 2 in the factory to run autonomously

>>16233646
I would love to see your sourced counter evidence

>>16233652
>the end of any dreams of space colonization
You have exactly zero evidence supporting this

>No need for lebensraum if the population is shinking
Space colonization has never been out exporting excess population. The only people who think it ever has been are the kind of popsci rotted braindeads that have a hard time wandering into /sci/ under normal circumstances

>>16233658
Shut up Tesloid

>>16233623
The structure of society radically changes until it reaches something that actually allows the population to not shrink.
"Sustainability" is the hot thing that everyone's talking about, but the way the modern world is built and how it causes birthrates to drop is the peak of unsustainability.
What we have now is guaranteed to change, even if it has to be forced by decreasing populations causing the systems to break down.
>>16233652
Unsubstantiated doomerism on the same level as Kessler syndrome.

>>16233649
he wil purchase facebook next. no it wont got to space kek. reminder that over the same period where musk blew 40 billion on twitter, spacex was nibbling at scraps of a few hundred million here or there from the 3 billion TOTAL HLS award. Its like the fat cat vs the skinny guy meme

>>16233658
Bless Elon

>>16233611
>BCE
>Roser
Every. Single. Time.

>>16233666
Honestly, buying Youtube or funding a Twitter-associated competitor could be the best bet on that front, although I'd think it'd be more likely he'd strike out for overturning a completely different industry like civil aviation or nuclear power.

>>16233652
My thoughts exactly

>>16233671
No fucking way Google parts with Youtube. That's way too important for the propaganda machine.

>>16233677
Not the real color of Neptune. They literally deboonked this a month ago and they still present it as science. Also troons are not science.

>>16233674
It's also never turned a profit. The fact that streaming video on that scale is so hugely unprofitable is the only reason a competitor hasn't killed them off yet. Elon launching a service with a slightly more sustainable business model attached to twitter is the best chance anyone has ever had to kill youtube off.

>>16233534
None of these words are in the bible, this is why we need to defund scientists

>The next spacewalk at the International Space Station will be Monday, June 24, followed by another on Tuesday, July 2, after Thursday's spacewalk did not proceed due to a spacesuit discomfort issue. More..

wtf

>>16231216
Is there even anything in this piece of shit? Where the fuck are any of the external heat rejection radiators?
>>16233175
Why? You can always just make another rocket. It's not like Elon will be low on money after Starship starts launching Starlink.
>>16233679
What's the real color?

>>16233686
Literally just Uranus. See if you can tell which is which newfag

>>16233688
the right is neptune digitally altered to look more like your asshole

>>16233688
Have you got any clue why Elon wants Starship to get to Uranus? What possible reason could there be?

>>16233665
I've talked about this in other threads, but as >>16233662 notes, the current model we have craters birthrates. If we take that model to mars, it will never be self sustained and will always rely on in migration from Earth. If there is an acute manpower shortage on Earth due to an invertered population triangle, the young, the bright, and the bold will have ample opportunity on Earth and may be less inclined to go be a tube cuck mars. In the long run, the looming manpower shortage (and climate disruption) may drive innovation like it did in Europe after the plauge or the American west during its settlement (see Turner Hypothesis), so we may be better equipped for space colonies in the 23rd or 24th century, but I think in the mean time we're heading for a bit I'd a dark age.

>>16233696
>If we take that model to mars, it will never be self sustained and will always rely on in migration from Earth.
New rule: we only send Mormons to Mars.

>>16233696
>If we take that model to mars
>If I brought my toaster into the bathtub with me, it would kill me
No shit. But that's not going to happen. If you thought about it at all it would be immediately, blindingly obvious how stupid that is to say. How the hell would we ever bring the same model to Mars when everything is going to be so different there?
>the young, the bright, and the bold will have ample opportunity on Earth and may be less inclined to go be a tube cuck mars.
False. If population shrinkage makes things so shitty on Earth then people will have even more reason to want to go somewhere else that doesn't have the same problems.

>>16233696
Birth rates are falling because degrowth governments want to stagnate the world and are pushing government policies and cultural trends that encourage this. Those same groups are suffering from an increasingly tenuous grip on political power. There is zero reason why a Mars colony would follow the same failing trends.

>I think in the mean time we're heading for a bit I'd a dark age
Before you commit to a position, look in a mirror and say it out loud. If it sounds like something only a complete retard would say, delete your post instead of clicking submit.

>>16233666
he's more likely to buy some companies that can help him turn Xitter into the "everything app" he was talking about

elon will buy iPod from Apple, and then he will buy Sanza Fuze, and then $GME stock

>>16233708
he will rename it the xpod or alternatively gigapod

>>16233711
>>16233708
Not spaceflight fuck off

>>16233666
I always thought buying reddit for an AI dataset was a good move, openAI recently scooped it though. Basically everytime you google "question + reddit" for hobby information, that proves how much information is there. Of course you also have to filter out the demented subreddits that just contain garbage, but its like twitter in that matter

>>16233703
I've actually thought about it a lot, and so have many other people. I beseech thee read nigga. The social dynamics of industrialized societies lower birthrates for many reasons. Any mars colony is going to have all those same social dynamics, but amplified. Everyone will have to work all the time, and live in close quarters. Maybe after a century or two of sustained migration from Earth, and after having carefully cultivated a native martian zeitgeist will similar views to what >>16233701 suggests, then maybe, assuming you have alleviated scarcity enough to be able to subsidize Martian homemaking, you could get to a positive birthrate.

>>16233356
>>16233323
https://x.com/joroulette/status/1801390692360462773
>SpaceX pitched Starship, Blue Origin pitched New Glenn, and ULA pitched Vulcan. More from Space Systems Command’s Assured Access To Space office:
>SpaceX pitched Starship

Starship has its first USSF contract?

>9 threads
Why this day-long sliding effort? Is deathliner doing its thing again?

>>16233704
See >>16233716
>Degrowth government conspiracy
Lmao even Isreal is struggling with a positive birthrate outside of the Ultra Orthodox community, and all they do collect gibs and chimp out occasionally when someone tells them they should work. I don't think that's a viable model for a Martian colony. What's your theory for a sustainable, growth positive policy for a martian Colony? There have been others who have tried before on Earth, but they weren't long term solutions.

>>16233725
pay people to have children. $10k a year per child sounds like a good starting point.

>>16233734
That wouldn't offset much, anon.

>>16233734
there's been plenty of countries try that to no effect. singapore's been going north of $50k per child and still hasn't turned things around.
my take on the whole thing is that there's been only one policy in history proven to substantially raise birthrates from augustus to stalin and that's taxing bachelorhood. nobody's willing to do that because nobody actually thinks fertility is a serious problem and because it'd be an admission that the standard of living for wide swaths of society has declined in the last 50 years.

>>16233421
Concrete filled steel boxes from top to bottom now. Makes sense, given the retrofitting they had to do on tower 1 to deal with the concrete erosion.

>>16233725
End feminism and tax women for existing without rearing children.

>>16233734
not spaceflight but I think the issue is women now in the workforce don't want to give up their careers to have children.
10k per year per kid is not going to do much to change that

>>16233746
For the sake of civilization, women should not be in the work force. All it does is implode wages, force dual-incomes to realize previous generations' levels of economic well-being, and encourages people to do anything but have kids.

I unexpectedly drove by the gigafactory today.
It was the combination of the design style of the building and seeing signs for a "Tesla Road" that clued me in. Also being so fucking long gave me time to figure it out before I had already passed it.
It's fucking xbox heug lads.

>>16233712
>Autist doesn't understand when he's being made fun of
You must live a scary and confusing existence

>>16233750
how do you accidentally drive all the way out there? too cheap to take the toll road to the airport?

>>16233688
Neptune is the one in the right?
I wish I could touch one of those planets.
I wonder if there are earth-like cores inside them.
They're pretty much infinite fuel depots.

>>16233754

>>16233734
Literally just ban birth control and condoms. It's not like people will stop having sex on mars.

>>16233754
>>16233763
26F in Florida: iceball earth apocalypse
26F in North Dakota: tshirt and shorts weather

https://www.youtube.com/live/wo-IGp-agiI
Holy shit
this is huge!

>>16233769
>1 hour video
give us the tl;dw

>>16233769
sus link not embedding like every other youtube link does

https://x.com/joebarnard/status/1801445534005399982

Vacuum cleaned clothes do work. Probably might take ~2-3 hours if not 4.

>>16233028
kek

>>16233106
I love you, flap

>>16233116
kek

>>16233124
what the fuck happened to this asshole's head?
he looks like he got stepped on as a baby--by an entire pack of niggers

>>16233798
Retard

>>16233798

>>16233798
>>16233802
does it also come with a full scale hls interior?

Gateway is pointless. Needs to be deleted. Fuck the jobs.

Can someone please post gore in all these threads?

>>16233124
Kek angry boomer likes him

Is this true? why does NASA refuse to stick clothes in an airlock to clean them?

>>16233807
Gateway ensures continuous access to the moon for decades

Not because it actually does anything itself, but because NASA can say "well we can't just abandon the moon station", and now they get guaranteed ongoing moon funding

>>16233691
Gosh I wish my asshole was that bleached

>>16233739
>taxing bachelorhood
That didn't work at all retard. How does taxing men solve woman killing babies. All you'll do is just make more NEETs. What kind of dumb boomer jew are you?

>>16233841
>Being this deep in /pol/
I think becoming an hero is the only answer for you at this point.

>>16233845
>everything I don't like is /pol/

>>16233824
Exactly. Pretty much to whole basis for gateways existence is to secure funding post iss deorbit because it will be a flag ship program with international partners that is politically hard to cancel. Thay fact that it is around to moon is a secondary perk

>>16233823
Cant air lock away air everytime they want to clean something

>>16233861
>>16233841
Go back.
>inb4 samefag
No.

>>16233867
They could pump most of the airlock air into a temporary pressure vessel before opening the airlock. Minimal loss of air and a far more enjoyable ISS

>>16233867
don't they already keep the air from the airlocks and only lose trace amounts of air each airlock use? just bring up a can on each dragon.

i need inspiration...what's your favorite mars colony concept?

>>16233883
Shopping mall.

>>16233883
Living out of converted Starships so everyone uses an elevator to get up to their homes and can take off if they ever need to. Basically everyone lives out of mobile homes but your mobile home is a state of the art Starship.

Shouldn't the fact that there's no alien flying around tip you off that any kind of actual large scale intergalactic space travel is literally impossible? congrats you made it to mars. now what? onwards to the jupiter colony? impossible. since gas giants are a big no no should we move outside the solar system? oh yeah that's totally gonna happen

>>16233883
I love Mass Effect 3's Mars base. It is extremely cozy but also not cramped and full of dirt like proonted bases, and seems at least partially realistic

>>16233892
>living on a Starship forever
I love Starship but that fucking sucks. I would not want to go to Mars if that's all they can manage to come up with

>>16233895
and what are you expecting to live out of? giant glass geodesic domes because that's what 3d modelers with no sense of manufacturing feasibility like making pictures of?

Mars is worthless. It would be way easier to "terraform" the earth.
We cant even do this, why do we have the hubris to try to do it on mars. Wasted resources. The dangers to eradicate us from the earth are mostly the same that would wipe out the mars enclave.

>>16233883
Martial battleground

>>16233895
Oh what you want to live in a fucking dirt hut forever with no view to look out of? Fuck that, I want to see the ground below me and have massive fucking vista. You can live in your shitty little dirt hut and tubes in the dark forever Ill be sitting in my private Starship looking down at you fucking moles from the my ship while I blast your home to rubble beneath me going up to Phobos.

>>16233900

>>16233897
Based and realismpilled

>>16233897
Steel made from an on-site gigafactory. Look around you, there is iron everywhere

science-fiction goes here
>>>/lit/
>>>/tv/
>>>/v/

grow up

>>16233907
>just fucking make the iron bro
>what do you mean you cant make mars rated habs out of random garbage iron i found on the ground
>shut the fuck up about shaping and alloying the metal that doesnt matter just make your huts out of sheet metal and give me my death trap habs now