/sci/ - Science & Math

>>16224409
Theres no way they'll make the launch date will they?

Can we just take a moment to depreciate the image in the OP? The biggest thing in spaceflight in decades just happened and the best image this absolute basement dwelling perma-online neckbeard could come up with is an infographic of a bloatoid moon program delaying.

>>16224419
It's unlikely.
NASA won't admit it though.

>>16224409
>The biggest thing in spaceflight in decades just happened
Huh? What was that?

>>16224419
no

>>16224421
You seem unpleasant to be around.

>>16224419
I would be more surprised if anything space related would be on time

>>16224429
quote fail
very unfortunate

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=effFp6AnCWo

Perun.

>>16224421
Shoulda made the thread yourself. Tuff luck

>>16224419
sloss's take on what meeting it would have to look like. weekly starship tanker launches in just 2 years is a tall order but i almost think that's more likely than HLS being ready in 2026.

>>16224421
every thread theme being IFT-4 would be retarded

>>16224439
They also need a demo flight. Unless things go completely smoothly, I don't think starship is going to be ready. I also don't think Blue Moon is going to be ready when it needs to be.

>>16224421
We all know youre new. Fuck off and leave the OP alone these have been good topical threads from what we had before.

>>16224409
shoulda spelled it funny to make the tranny seethe

The FAA has been subdued, they'll be compliant going forward.
t. knower

>>16224421
>The biggest thing in spaceflight in decades

A suborbital test flight is the biggest thing?

>>16224488
This suborbital test, yes.

>>16224488
did you not see the reentry footage, there will be entire college courses with that footage as a key graphic
people will make their entire careers off of that footage

>>16224495
>ITS THE BIGGEST THING BECAUSE LE GOOD FOOTAGE DUDE!!

holy fuck you sound like a baby, so the biggest thing in spaceflight is not even starship, its the starlink conexion LMAO

>>16224488
galactic 07 wasn't a test, and yes, it was MASSIVE

>>16224499
RIP to a real deathtrap

>>16224437
from the vid

>>16224498
no, retard

>>16224421
>Biggest thing in spaceflight in decades
You mean Starliner narrowly avoiding blowing up the ISS for the second time in three years? Or the "reusable" N1 managing to avoid blowing up for the first time in the last ever?

>>16224499
><100km
not spaceflight, not even suborbital spaceflight.

Don't give up anons, she never did!!!

>>16224509
Roscosmos on suicide watch.

>>16224499
It's also the last time Spaceship 2 gets to fly. Virgin Galactic is now officially in hiatus mode until the Delta-class ships get finished.

>>16224509
>people will see this, and will still claim spacex is a "colossal failure" run by a billionaire with no engineering background

>>16224495
>B-b-but the cinematographic quality of a death trap melting on re-entry before being reused by the Indian Ocean
That movie was derivative anyway linkrel desu *yawn*
https://youtu.be/U9fkYIrRwbo?feature=shared

>Muh N1
Truly the mark of intellectual dishonesty.

>>16224509
ULAsisters, russisters...
what went wrong?

I can't stand his nasally australian whining, has somebody watched this? Is it EDS coping and seething? He seems like he might be the type.

>>16224532
no anon, it's the opposite of that.
His voice is annoying though.

>>16224509
>>16224521
>It was really heavy bros

>>16224527
>Cope, cope. cope, seethe, cope more seethe
See you in a month or two when they catch the booster moron

>>16224538
"Lifted mass" does not include the launcher unless you're that fucking shuttle retard.
Are you that fucking shuttle retard, tourist?

>>16224530
lol yeah, not even worth a reply unless you're also a mudbrained shitskin

>>16224540
I think he might be that shuttle retard
do the aerospace museums have a display set up that's brainwashing these people or something?

90% of upmass is spacex rockets. soon it will be 99%
Thisnis what winning looks like

>>16224511

>>16224530
>Ur lying
Recovery and reuse rate status?
>Inb4 "but they blew them up and melted them on re-entry and dunked them in the ocean on purpose so it doesn't count"

>>16224545
naw, this is probably close to the peak right now. ULA and ESA are both sidelined because they're switching to new rockets and they're going to recover somewhat.

>>16224551
Ah yes the N1 famously known for soft landing every stage in the ocean after successfully launching and re-entering

I hate /sci/ so much it's unreal, at least twitter allows me to block those retards.

>muh N1 bait
Baiting is gay and you're gay for giggling at it you little turd

>>16224553
>naw, this is probably close to the peak right now.
Brother the rest of the world won't even be competing with F9 by the time Starship is regularly flying. It might be the local maximum but it's definitely not the peak.

>>16224540
>>"Lifted mass" does not include the launcher
>Now watch this video of the launcher reentry
Is the "shuttle tourist" in the room with you right now?

>>16224532
>>16224535
kiwi accent >>> aussie accent
I will never not love fush n chups
>>16224558
you should go back there

>16224565
>lifted mass must mean something different than everyone says it does because i saw a video in a different context
what the fuck are you doing

>>16224555
>Muh soft landing
Recovery status?

Hey everyone please do not engage with this retard >>16224575 I really don't want a repeat of last thread

>>16224545
space victory
>>16224565
stupid frogposter
reentry, by itself, is new and cool and interesting
lifted payload mass, by itself, is powerful and emblematic of dominance
stupid frogposter

Starship is a gimmick marketing campaign for Starlink.

>>16224573
>Doesn't even know how to respond to a post correctly
Go back to twitter

>>16224555
You wanna fart in my mouf? Or?

>>16224575
in progress
>>16224578
what if we post more anime this time
>>16224581
no I've seen this before, it's the (you)less schtick
people with mental illness do it sometimes because they feel the need to reply but also feel superior by not replying

>it thinks it deserves (You)s

>>16224579
>Reentry
>New
You need to be 18 to post here

>>16224585
post the footage of space shuttle reentry from the wingtip looking back at the body of the shuttle, or from the cabin looking at the wing
fucking do it, pussy, you won't, because you can't, because it doesn't exist

>>16224580
A gimmick with several customers already lined up to launch on it...

>>16224511
Oh hey frog poster whos first word was "N1" and doesn't know what an FTS is after being told over and over

>>16224580
How dare you anon, manned flight to Mars in 2 more booms

>>16224592
something will be sent in the 2026 transfer window but it won't be people

>>16224591
His cope will be ">but we blew it up on purpose" not knowing that this has been a thing since forever

>>16224584
>xhe think xhe deserves (You)s

>>16224521
When I see those graphs posted on other boards there's never a reply. I wonder what it feels like to realize everyone you associate with and everything you read has been lying to you and forgot to tell you twitter man launches 90% of earth's payload

>>16224596
I don't know what any of those words mean but YWNBAW

Flight 4's success has caused an incredible amount of cope and seethe in EDS sufferers.

>>16224597
They don't realize anything, they simply ignore it and go back to EDS pilpul.
That is the kind of person you're dealing with.

>>16224597
elon is polluting the sky with useless starlinks and recklessly risking kessler syndrome just so he can buy more slaves to work his diamond mines

>>16224588
>Le camera placement
The ultimate cope

>>16224553
>ULA and ESA are both sidelined because they're switching to new rockets and they're going to recover somewhat.

so is spacex

>>16224580
That's fine. even if 90% of starship launches are starlink that remaining 10% will still make it the most influential rocket to date

>>16224597
They have to pretend that spacex hasn't launched 17% of all us payloads EVER launched by the us since the beginning of us launch existing and landed said rocket over 300 times because if they don't they can't push their narrative that spacex is a grift

>>16224605
Note that neither Vulcan or Ariane 6 have any reuse in the near future.

>>16224553
For commercial launches I really don't think either has any hope.
ULA never once bothered trying to get commercial contracts and ariene 6 is twice as expensive as falcon 9. Government payloads are the only refuge for these two companies.

>>16224603
Kessler syndrome isn't a problem in LEO.
All the trash burns up in the atmosphere and you can just launch again.

>>16224540
Was there a question?

>>16224609
nuh uh! tory bruno told me vulcan was SMART

>>16224609
>he forgot about SMART
Tory will come through.

>>16224613
The seethe generated by giving true numbers for shuttle capacity is hilarious

>>16224619
The only ones who forgot about SMART is ULA themselves.

>>16224591
>>16224595
>0 Saturn V explosions including all test flights
>2/135 Shuttle explosions including all test flights
>"Activating FTS because of a failed test means the failure didn't count"
>"LRB venting causing an explosion doesn't count because we actually le meant to do that"
Musk worship is mental illness and Starship will kill a manned crew by the end of the decade

>>16224607
>10% will still make it the most influential rocket to date
Yes

>>16224614
why is it that when the anime girl lies to my face like this I think it's cute but when Tory Bruno does it I think he's a snake

>>16224605
yeah but when you're already at 90% of the market that means you have to launch an additional 9 tons for every 1 additional ton the rest of the world ramps up just to hold steady. they may be able to manage that for several years with starship coming online but there have only been a few companies in history that have pulled off market domination on this level - spacex is basically in 1890s standard oil territory - and it's borderline impossible to keep it going for very long.

>>16224553
nigga, the mass those rockets are going to lift is completely neglible compared to the F9 spam happening right now, not to mention when Starship becomes operational soon

>>16224613
I like how you don't include the mass of the Starship vehicle for its payload numbers

>>16224594
That's all but certain, probes have been common for decades

>>16224624
>shuttle kills 2 manned crews
>this is ok

>s-starship is too dangerous it will kill people!

>>16224632
okay but what if it's a whole-ass Starship full of MREs and solar panels

do you guys actually think it's realistic for Starship to drop 100+ tons in dry mass so they can hit their payload targets
As far as I'm aware, the extensive reinforcements were necessitated by previous failures

>>16224613
>The SLS is a bigger spaceshuttle with more rocket and less heatshielded aeroplane and it has a lower payload than the shuttle

sounds legit

>>16224599
it is something to behold

>>16224597
>Statpadding with comm sats
>Bait and switching a "Mars colony" death rocket grift
>Twitter "astronomers" fall for it
Ngmi

>>16224637
I thought they were having ISP problems? Yeah, I think they can pull it off.

>>16224631
it will be counted when they build a wet workshop out of it

the last 3 or 4 /sfg/s have been a trollfest. the funny thing is that people keep falling for them.
sad.

>>16224619
Talking about SMART for Vulcan =/= actually implementing it for Vulcan.

>>16224640
it's optimized to throw light mass to high energy orbits (TLI and escape velocity), loading it down for LEO causes inefficiencies for it
Atlas and Vulcan suffer from this problem as well

>>16224636
>solar panels

Lmao.

>>16224631
k, 200 t expendable. Pretty sure 150 t is the realistic number

>>16224608
>Bait and switching the success of Falcon 9 with Le Shartship
On schedule

>>16224637
some subsequent version will get to 100 tons, whether that is through making it longer and bigger or lighter or a combination of the two (most likely) doesn't really matter
what matters is the max mass and $/kg to orbit

>>16224653
>Admits falcon 9 is a success
See you in 5 years when you have to admit starship is as well

>>16224514
I KNEEL

>>16224653
yeah, not like its made by the same company and already very far down the path to being fully operational

>>16224633
Shittle had some major design flaws. The final stretch of reentry still was a safer design than the last second kick flips Musk is cooking.

>>16224613
Falcon Heavy cannot lift more total mass than Falcon 9 due to structural limitations.

Counting Saturn V's third stage as payload but not the Shuttle orbiter?

>>16224656
They will say SpaceX is succesful only because of government subsidies (totaling $3 million).
The EDS copium comes from a bottomless supply.

>>16224653
>>16224659
and it's not like we haven't been talking about the success of the company and not a specific launch vehicle this whole time or anything lol
SpaceX kick ass

>>16224662
what gets me is counting the S-IVB but not the Starship orbiter
>>16224665
>$3 million
lmao

>>16224661
safety depends on the reliability of the system
its not impossible (I think its actually likely) that the flip manuever of Starship will become so normal and reliable its actually boring

>>16224661
Starship can and will be safer than shuttle, all they need to do is have a failure rate of less than 1/300. With enough flights, they'll achieve that.

>>16224633
>Shuttle has 2 catastrophic failures in 135 flights including all tests
>"Shut it down!"
>Starship has 3 catastrophic failures and 0 orbiter recoveries in 4 test flights
>"Mars colony in 2 more weeks"
Kek

>>16224624
Musk is running a hardware company like a software company. Run, debug, repeat. Your comparisons don't work.

>>16224677
Fatty

>16224675
Do the numerous explosions that falcon 9 experienced in it's test campaign mean that it's currently a failure?
Clearly the answer is no.

>>16224679
Anon if it explodes during testing it's automatically a failure. Doesn't matter if it goes on to completely change the space industry and start a new era in space flight.

>>16224675
>equating Shuttle killing astronauts on two seperate operational flights with Starship's iterative development

>>16224684
>if it explodes during testing it's automatically a failure
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvim4rsNHkQ

>>16224659
>>16224667
>Soviets design plenty of working rockets but the N1 was a meme
>SpaceX designs plenty of working rockets but the Shartship is a meme
>"No it's all or nothing anon!!!!!"
Meds

>>16224675
Disingenuous and lame, post for real or don't bother

>>16224662
>Falcon Heavy cannot lift more total mass than Falcon 9 due to structural limitations
(unproven)
>Counting Saturn V's third stage as payload but not the Shuttle orbiter?
The orbiter's mass at orbital altitude is debatable. It's at least 78000 kg

>>16224687
N1 would've worked, it would have been better than the Saturn V.

>>16224685
I don't see spacex recovering from this one tbdesu

>>16224692
No capability to test fire engines whatsoever ensured that it would never succeed.

>>16224687
don't put words in my mouth, the N1 was a funny meme
the Soviets designed one (1) working rocket, btw

>>16224695
wasn't that being implemented on the very next test flight that got cancelled?

The post IFT threads are fucking awful man. I want to go back to discussing how to make Venus into a fully mosquito based ecology

>>16224684
This is actually an analogue era mindset from back when the only way to get testing data was to recover the test article.

Flight 4 would be a failure under those standards because both stages are at the bottom of the ocean, except in reality SpaceX has a treasure trove of priceless data now which has allowed each iterative flight to leapfrog the last.

the tourists aren't the trolls, they're the posters unironically arguing with the trolls. but thread oldfags should have a little empathy and remember that there was a time when we thought these sort of arguments were the most interesting thing in the world, too.

>>16224697
>the Soviets designed one (1) working rocket, btw
and it still works. it works so well that even yuropoors use it

they also designed and built some of the best rocket engines out there,,, some 60 ears ago

>>16224700
could mosquitos survive on Venus as it exists today? I propose a 4ASS probe laden with them to find out

>>16224624
Ok, see you tomorrow when you still don't know what an FTS is

>>16224700
mosquitos are banned, but step one you need to freeze out all of the CO2 in the atmosphere and process it into limestone
step two you need to ship half of the nitrogen to Mars

>>16224686
>Le iterative development
Every space program has used iterative development. The difference is that the successful ones test extensively and have minimal catastrophic failure rates, the ones that show clear patterns of total loss of rocket are typically abandoned. For example, Falcon 9 had 1 test flight with total loss of the rocket during hundreds of test flights whereas Shartship blew up the first three (on purpose though!)

>>16224699
NK-15 was to be replaced with NK-33 for the N-1F, which was never built.

>>16224704
the Europeans USED to use it, before Russia committed political and military suicide on their neighbor
>>16224702
these conversations would be more interesting if people argued in good faith instead of being disingenuous about it

>>16224692
Now THIS is good troll feed

>>16224700
Parasites will not make it off this quarantine world, NO TICKS NO LEECHES NO MOSQUITOS ARE TO LEAVE EARTH, EVER.

>>16224711
oh okay, it was two test flights away, my bad

>>16224712
>the Europeans USED to use it, before Russia committed political and military suicide on their neighbor
so what? are we talking about technical or political matters?

>>16224629
Yeah sure, but whats going to happen when your competition doesn't develop reusable rockets because they just didn't

>>16224706
>Boosters fail to separate
>Forced to blow up your ship
>"This means it worked, you don't understand what an FTS is"
Twitter tourists have a maximum IQ of 75

>>16224718
they're a little bit intertwined here lol
>>16224722
when has that ever happened to anybody in the history of ever?
shit, it's literally only the russians isn't it
you're a Russian shill sent to destabilize the general

>>16224701
Yeah new data collectiong methods are what allow them to toss the test article away but oldspace jerkoffs see boom boom and think "failure"

>>16224580
Starlink is a cover story for Brilliant Pebbles.

>>16224722
Man fuck off with this gay shit, nobody's laughing

>>16224714
What about my pet leech?
Euro leeches are good for you, you know.

>>16224661
Starship is designed to do its landing flip with the thrust of one engine

Yeah, landing a plane is safe. Too bad you have to get through the ice and foam strikes you can't do shit about because they didn't put the orbiter on top. Meanwhile starship can take plasma directly inside a surface control hinge and still make it through.

>>16224718
They overlap significantly. The ISS was built after the fall of the USSR for a reason. The U.S. abandoned international space cooperation and started relying on private companies spamming comm sats to boost payload numbers in 2011 after the Wolf Amendment banned working with the CNSA.
In reality we're closer to ASATs destroying the internet than we are to colonizing Mars, but don't tell the twitter tourists or they'll melt down

>>16224731
Eaten before leaving Earth's SOI. Leave all parasites here, there's no reason to take those vile things offworld and infect somewhere else with them.

>>16224675
It really is the difference between can you fix the failure mode or can you not. It would be insane to keep flying the shuttle when further deaths couldn't be prevented. Every reason starship has failed has been fixed for the next flight so far.

>>16224642
>b-b-but spacex owns those payloads they are launching. t-t-hey own over half of earth's satellites, they are losing!

>>16224737
There's nothing wrong with leeches

>>16224707
>limestone
Too much calcium. Just freeze it into dry ice and mass driver it towards Mars. It doesn't matter if it evaporates mid flight if the trajectory is good
>>16224714
You don't understand anon, Venus gets much more solar energy than Earth, to the point where plants would have the required energy to make fruit filled with blood. It is perfect. Leeches on giant mosquitos, giant mosquitos feeding on little mosquitoes feeding on blood fruit. Beautiful

>>16224665
>$3 million

do you understand this number?

>>16224725
>"You're only saying Shartship blew up because you don't know what FTS is but if you mention why they triggered FTS then you're a Russian double agent"
My word the /pol/ and twitter lurkers are unhinged today

>>16224747
$3 million is nothing in the launch business.

>>16224665
That figure was based on disclosed subsidies, but I read an article that texas gave something like 15 million. And low interest on loans counts for something.

But yeah, it's probably around half of a falcon 9 launch

>>16224745
Get your own damn food, bloodsucker
>>16224746
Nightmare world, prime candidate for sterilization from orbit.

>>16224748
mental illness is a fucked up thing. lack of logical and critical thought is even worse IMO.
I wonder about these "people". how old are they? are all of them zoomers, millenials, boomers or just retards who are unable to separate different factors and think the world is black and white?

>>16224752
>I understand this number

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQeKlL0fOaU

>>16224746
>too much calcium
you need to be able to use it as a building material, anon, and Mars already has enough CO2 in my opinion
they can have a few million tons as a treat but most of it needs to stay where it is and change form
you're also forgetting the most important part of any mosquito based ecosystem, the giant dragonflies
>>16224748
>fuck, he's got me, I'd better call him a twitter tourist and tell him to take his medication, there's no way he can come back from that
you didn't mention noncon buttsex or blowjobs at all so in hindsight you're probably not actually a Russian
anyway here have an image depicting you as a retard, that'll show you

>>16224755
we literally farm european leeches for use in medicine, they're almost extinct outside of leech farms.
ticks and mosquito I agree with, they should be exterminated, not leeches.

>>16224761
Intelligent fairyposter. I kneel to your oldgod status.

>>16224740
>Implying there weren't 22 successful manned shuttle missions between 2005 and 2011
>Implying the number of catastrophic failures by Shartship didn't surpass the entire 30 year shuttle program after 3 launches
>"We'll perfect it though I promise"
You are delusional and I can't wait to see the cope when Shartship kills a manned crew

>>16224599
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4PEbjSqC7A

>>16224599
They know deep down that this means we're on the fast path to first stage reuse and Starlink v2, which lets them earn money on ship recovery test flights.

>>16224767
>22 successful manned shuttle missions between 2005 and 2011
I forgot how utterly shit the shuttle was holy shit. They couldn't even launch it unmanned.

>>16224722
Use your PTS

>>16224743
>Spamming comm sats means Mars colony in 2 more weeks
You've made clear in the last 2 threads that your hobby isn't space exploration, it's rimming Musk's business ventures

>>16224431
>>16224438
>>16224454
>>16224468
He's not being serious, anons.
>>/sci/?task=search&search_text=take+a+moment+to+depreciate

>>16224773
>>Spamming comm sats means Mars colony in 2 more weeks
kind of. The first step to mars colonization is lowering cost of mass to orbit.

>>16224770
>The program that designed reusable rockets for manned flights was shit because it launched manned flights and reused its rockets
Quality b8

>>16224773
M8 you thought the Saturn IB was used to put the LM into lunar orbit, you don't know a damn thing about space flight. The only reason you're in this thread is to seethe about Elon.

>>16224521
obsessed

>>16224687
I would have loved to see N1 go forward, where are you getting this idea?

>>16224781
not b8, that's a rate of ~3.7 launches per year, with a useful payload of ~29000kg each, so 107300kg to orbit each year.
That's pathetic without even accounting for how expensive the shuttle was.

>>16224708
Falcon 9 had like 10 failed landing attempts you dumb nigger

total baiter death

>>16224791
he's trolling you

>>16224767
>22
They were trying to fly it as little as possible lmao

>genuine schizo is shitting up /sfg/ for couple of days now

As an unfortunate side effect of being primarily made up of spaceflight autists, /sfg/ is only capable of identifying less than 50% of the bait that is posted as bait.
The bait that /sfg/ can detect, it cannot resist replying to with spaceflight facts.

>>16224773
This is the first time I've talked to a shitposter about marketshare/payload/starlink. You're schizoing out

Also no I'm trying to fix your retarded expectations and save you from disappointment, for some reason lmao. Maybe I should spend my sunday on someone else

>>16224809
replying to bait with spaceflight facts is like half the purpose of the general
personally I would prefer to reply with spaceflight facts to genuine curiosity instead but what can you do

>>16224421
>The biggest thing in spaceflight in decades just happened
Your mom cured her AIDS? Congrats, you can fuck her raw again with out worry.

if you don't respond with truth to bullshit lies then less well-read anons will just accept that the lies were the truth. it sucks but you really have to push back to blatant delusional bullshit like this twitter tourist who for whatever reason has let Elon dominate his thoughts. it's especially sad since I don't even the EDS guys are even aware of how far along V2 is or that spacex has 4 more v1s ready to test and no reason not to since they've already been built

>>16224781
It launched our national debt and scrubbed our school teacher population

>>16224816
>if you don't respond with truth to bullshit lies then less well-read anons will just accept that the lies were the truth.
so?
>it sucks but you really have to push back to blatant delusional bullshit like this
no you don't. stop.

https://youtu.be/bvim4rsNHkQ?si=pnJOUZjQnYbLvQAG
Do you honestly think the Falcon 9 will ever be fully reusable? Look how many times it crashed or fell over. Never gonna happen

>>16224819
Sorry but it's for the culture

>>16224780
>Implying NASA expenditure hasn't consistently been around 0.5% of US GDP even during the peak of the Space Race
>Implying labor budgets for engineers and scientists doesn't make up a significant portion of program budgets
>Implying SpaceX doesn't cut labor costs by having the R&D team work 50-80 hour weeks on salaries designed for 40 hours
>Implying private companies even disclose their budgets
>Implying Musk hasn't claimed the Starship costs $10 million per launch when independent estimates put it closer to $100 million
>Implying the 4 test flights haven't already made the one partial success just as expensive as one successful shuttle launch/recovery
Please tell me you didn't actually fall for the "cost lowering" meme anon

>>16224819
not that anon, but a future where sfg is replaced by the tourists whos foundation was the flow of current event trolls - sounds pretty real to me. I've seen communities and entire boards on 4chan transform. You have to gatekeep.

>>16224708
>Every space program has used iterative development
except the shittle

>>16224824
Being cheaper than your competitor is important in the increasingly-commercialized sector of space, yes.

>>16224824
thanks for using the same images so I know which posts to skip

>>16224782
>Implying the Apollo 7 entered lunar orbit
Based 50 IQ subhuman reading comprehension moment
>You
Meds

>>16224834
>Implying the Apollo 7 entered lunar orbit
Yes, that's what you said yesterday. You said the Saturn IB was used to put the LM into lunar orbit where it rendezvoused with the CM, and that Saturn V launches were only used for the missions that had lunar rovers.

>>16224794
>107300kg
Of what? Supplies for the ISS, or comm sats for selling high speed internet?
>inb4 "we don't NEED to test living in space in order to colonize space"

>>16224834
>Meds
People who use that as an insult are always ironically the ones on psych meds. especially given you've used that reply like a half dozen times over 2 days (what a weekend you are having too btw)

>>16224841
SpaceX isn't trying to colonize space, that's just the PR cover story for building Brilliant Pebbles. Building Brilliant Pebbles entails putting tens of thousands of satellites (kinetic interceptors) into LEO. SpaceX is on the precipice of being able to do this.

Hence, shilling is off the charts.

>>16224824
You already posted this gif
>>Implying NASA expenditure hasn't consistently been around 0.5% of US GDP even during the peak of the Space Race
From memory, NASA expenditure was 2 to 5% of GDP during the space race.
>>Implying labor budgets for engineers and scientists doesn't make up a significant portion of program budgets
Yes, most of the program budget of oldspace is wasted on do nothing jobs spread across multiple states for more gibs from congress. SpaceX doesn't do this, has fewer employees than ULA BO etc, and is therefore a lot more efficient.
>>Implying the 4 test flights haven't already made the one partial success just as expensive as one successful shuttle launch/recovery
With how expensive the shuttle was, I wouldn't be surprised.
The cost lowering is real, if they were bleeding money musk would have run out by now. Modern independent cost estimates show profit margins are high. There are multiple articles seething about how spacex is abusing their monopoly to price gouge and extract huge profit margins since the cost of a falcon 9 launch is significantly lower than their price.

>>16224845
(The shills probably don't even know this is why they're here. They're useful idiots of the CCP programmed by reddit/etc.)

>>16224839
>"The LM was a success on the first test flight"
>First test flight was Apollo 7
>"Show me a video of the Saturn V landing"
>"Saturn V didn't carry the LM (on the first test flight) it was the Saturn IB)
>"OMG R U SAYING THE SATURN IB WAS USED FOR THR MOON LANDING??"
you are a schizophrenic dumbass and you should either go back to posting anime or go back to twitter. or both

>>16224849
This was you yesterday:
>>16223517
>the crew were launched on a 1c and the lem on a 2b and they rendevouzed around the moon. Saturn v was for the later missions which carried a rover

>>16224841
Falcon 9 has a near monopoly on the global launch market, so it carries ISS resupplies, crewed missions, internet satellites, research satellites. Everything and anything.

>>16224845
>Building and blowing up more expensive death trap rockets is all part of the master plan to use the already marketable MLVs to do a heckin Kesslerino
Kek
>>16224848
>If you deny this retardation then you're a Chinese/Russian double agent
L M A O

>>16224820
how many failed landings was that again?

>>16224850
I didn't think the /g/tard was quite this dumb.
I thought that whole "turning around and docking" thing in apollo 11 was iconic.

>>16224854
>he believes in the reddit kessler meme in LEO
Once again, you prove that you don't know anything about spaceflight. Everybody here knows that debris in LEO decays in mere years. Some space debris is a small price to pay for strategic missile defense.

(Not to mention that wouldn't happen in the first place because the entire point is deterrence.)

>>16224824
bait or mental retardation? who knows

>>16224850
>"This was you"
>"It was real in my mind"
inb4 you're the anon who kept saying "he's responding to himself" because he couldn't comprehend that mocking Shartship is a popular sentiment. The thread got a lot better after your bed time btw

>>16224699
Glushko cancelled cause he hated korolev so much he'd rather see the americans win then his enemies rocket be the one to get them to the moon.

>>16224845
fuck you brilliant pebbles poster

Every time you spam this shit it makes me think about fruity pebbles. And every time I eat them I'm fucking disappointed because they're fucking shit. So just stop

>>16224857
He's obviously never even seen Apollo 13, which explains all of these matters clearly and memorably. His spaceflight knowledge is much worse than the average normie.

>>16224819
silence, bolshevik
your campaign of falsehoods WILL be repelled even if it makes this place fucking unuseable

what is the final solution to /g/ retards infesting /sfg/?

>>16224863
kek
I'll never stop.

did jwst find carbon in the early universe?

>>16224861
Hate Glushko, what kind of human being snitches to the NKVD?
Hypergolics are shit too, evil chemicals.

>>16224841
we have cargo dragon for that. what are you even posting about now

Do you think we can colonize space with the shuttle? what the fuck am I reading. Stop watching michael bay movies

>>16224820
>fully reusable
they already gave up on that, they're sticking to first stage reuse instead
>>16224861
yeah, think about where civilization could be if the competing superpower wasn't completely dedicated from a cultural level to shooting themselves in the foot repeatedly and continuously

>>16224871
/sfg/ stands for science fiction technology

>>16224876
The early universe is too far away to ever be relevant to space flight.

>>16224877
say that to my face motherfucker and not online

>>16224824
>independent estimates put it closer to $100 million
Independ estimates put it around 28 million dollars.

>EDS sufferer is reduced to spamming the same strawman over and over

>>16224890
That's what inevitably happens when you're:
>flat wrong
>have no knowledge of the subject matter

https://twitter.com/BoeingSpace/status/1799818839649062994

>>16224852
>15/51
>"Near monopoly"
I'm all for Falcon 9 being used for ISS supply missions but let's not tell outright lies here. The Russians are still doing the majority of ISS launch operations (I know, I know, call me a putler shill for mentioning this)

>>16224895
EDS shitter, see >>16224509

>>16224895
>global launch market
>oh he must mean ISS launch operations because that's what I needed him to say

>>16224886
>early universe is too far away
>Retard doesn't understand its already gone

>>16224894
>They have a zero-g indicator now too
I love that this tradition is spreading

>>16224532
>>16224535
The fuck are you two retards smoking
Perun is always calm and composed. His voice is fucking average as well

>>16224895
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncrewed_spaceflights_to_the_International_Space_Station
In the modern day, it's about half and half. Also, Roscosmos also resupplies the ISS and they aren't interested in buying a cargo dragon flight no matter how cheap it is.

>>16224904

>>16224909
No matter the subject he always uses a whiny tone like he's annoyed he has to explain whatever he's talking about to his audience. His tone is that of a calculus teacher explaining basic algebra to his class remedial of idiots.

>>16224613
>I can pick up a box that weighs 30 pounds and I weigh 300
>Therefore I can lift 330 pounds

>>16224913
lmfao

>>16224858
>Only mentioning debris
>Not the mass of sats themselves
>"It's a small price to pay for ASATs"
>"NASA astronomers are r*ddit cope but a venture capitalist's tweets are gospel"
Does the DoD pay you extra to shitpost on the weekends?

>>16224918
>>>Not the mass of sats themselves
The mass of the interceptors is trivial for Starship. That's the entire point of Starship. Do try to keep up.

>>16224881
>They're sticking to first stage reuse instead
Careful anon you're gonna bait out the "second stage doesn't exist" schizo from the last thread

"I don't think the pebbles are all that brilliant"

>>16224914
If you think that's whiny, you should get your hearing checked because you're defective in the extreme
probably some brain damage from all the high blood pressure ass pain you replaced your personality with

>>16224912
desu if they didn't resupply the station, fully half the docking ports on the station wouldn't be usable since they aren't the same as the western half's

>>16224927
That deluge plate is turning into one incredible piece of industrial art

If they replace it I hope it gets installed somewhere as a display

>>16224923
Brilliant is relative to the Smart Rocks proposal. But both terms are relative to the 1980s, the interceptors themselves are now trivial technology and all that remains is to complete the creation of rockets capable of launching satellite constellations that large. That's the only remaining piece of the puzzle and SpaceX is well on their way to solving it.

>>16224915
But as long as you can jump with it, that counts. Put on another 50 pounds but do a few calf raises so you can still get a vertical. If you fail, just commit suicide and it won't count

>>16224924
Are you austrialian or something? Maybe you don't hear his whining because it's familiar and normal to you. The way he draaaaaws out some wooooorrdsssss makes him sound very annoyed at everything. And his frequent casual use of sarcasm certainly doesn't help.

"I don't think this defense initiative is all that strategic"

>>16224920
>Knows that "mass" in that context referred to the secondary definition synonymous with "abundance in number"
>Brings up Shartship mass to LEO to deflect the issue
No, the DoD can't be paying you overtime. Not for these low quality posts

>>16224933
local mutt doesn't understand what dry humour is, needs jokes explained to him in detail to process them
We do apologize if the lack of flashing lights and fortnite sound effects bored your neurotic ADHD ipad baby brain

>>16224938
Both the mass and the quantity of interceptors needed for Brilliant Pebbles will be trivial for Starship. It's already borderline feasible with Falcon 9, as demonstrated by Starlink.

>>16224945
Perun draws out words in virtually every sentence he speaks. That's not for comedic effect, it's just the way he chooses to talk.
His sarcasm is for comedic effect, but sarcasm is the immature teenage sort of humor that adults eventually come to find grating.

>>16224847
>From memory
Your memory is quite poor. That or you're confusing GDP for the federal budget, in which case your IQ is quite poor.
>Making fewer salaried employees work double shifts and do 90 gorrillion launches a year to bring down per-launch labor costs is LE EFFICIENT
Tell me you're too young to have witnessed Challenger without telling me you're too young to have witnessed Challenger.
>Defending Starship by pivoting to Falcon 9
Right on cue

>>16224645
grats

>>16224950
>Mutt tries to assert their personal sense of humour is the correct "adult" one
>again
>for the billionth fucking time
Nigger, you're a fat NEET on a mongolian basket weaving forum, you aren't the arbiter of anything

>>16224946
>"How can putting too many sats into LEO cause Kessler syndrome if we are capable of putting too many sats into LEO"
You can't actually be this stupid. I'm entirely convinced that you're a DoD shill ever since that "small price to pay for a good ASAT" line

>>16224966
>mutt
fair criticism, unfortunately you have no space program.

>>16224966
>he still hasn't learned that sarcasm is annoying

>>16224956
Don't know what you mean with the challeger stuff, that accident was caused by mormon cronyism.

>>16224967
>he's still on about the reddit kessler meme
>IN LOW EARTH ORBIT
blatant EDS tourist

>>16224816
just report the trolls

>>16224924
he's your fav youtuber huh. if it matter his voice also annoys me

>>16224967
>small price to pay for a good ASAT
Who are you quoting? Nobody said this.

>>16224975
you must be new to /sci/

>>16224922
second stages exist
second stage boosters do not

>>16224975
/sci/ doesn't have jannies
Reports don't have anywhere to go

>>16224984
I know the jannies do nothing but replying is even worse because it actively encourages the retards

>>16224989
a guy who is definitely not me got a few short terms bans in the past

>>16224881
>>16224922
hey second stage booster anon

>>16224983
ctrl + f thank me later

>>16224956
I looked it up and it was 2 to 2.5% of annual gdp over 10 years, if anyone was interested.

>>16224992
the last janny had a stick up his butt regarding pictures of fairies and tried to ban me for them, but he got schwacked by the mods pretty quickly and now we just have nobody as far as I can tell

>>16224996
ASAT != strategic missile defence anon
ASAT is anti satellite, which means shooting down satellites either from earth or space.
Strategic Missile Defence refers to shooting down nukes, which are not satellites because they don't get into orbit.
I'm not sure you understand what brilliant pebbles is.

>>16224881
>they already gave up on that, they're sticking to first stage reuse instead

post citation, the seethe you generate in this thread would be historic. Starship would unravel and it would just be a big falcon 9 at best

>>16224881
Dammit bro I warned you. He's back
>>16224987
>>16224994

>>16225006
they've given up on Falcon 9 second stage reuse, that's the point of the Starship program, please try to keep up
>>16225007
what did you mean by this

>>16224996
Strategic missile defense isn't ASAT. Brilliant Pebbles is for swatting ICBMs, ideally during boost phase (no orbital debris at all.) But even it performs orbital interceptions and litters LEO with a choking cloud of debris, that would be a hell of a lot better than letting those missiles reach their targets. Some space debris in exchange for saving millions of lives from nuclear bombardment is literally a small price to pay. Not least because IN LOW EARTH ORBIT that debris will clear in mere years.

And as already stated, this scenario won't happen in the first place because the deterrent effect of having Brilliant Pebbles would prevent anybody from trying in the first place.

>>16225007
see, they call it a "second stage" not a "booster" you mouthbreathing cretin

>>16225006
Someone posted a vid link in the last thread but the cope became
>Second stage doesn't exist
>He doesn't say that I'm not watching it
>Leaves the thread

>>16224996
Strategic missile defense isn't ASAT. Brilliant Pebbles is for swatting ICBMs, ideally during boost phase (no orbital debris at all.) But even IF it performs orbital interceptions and litters LEO with a choking cloud of debris, that would be a hell of a lot better than letting those missiles reach their targets. Some space debris in exchange for saving millions of lives from nuclear bombardment is literally a small price to pay. Not least because IN LOW EARTH ORBIT that debris will clear in mere years.

And as already stated, this scenario won't happen in the first place because the deterrent effect of having Brilliant Pebbles would prevent anybody from trying in the first place.

>>16225015
Yes, that's an ASAT test. That's not Brilliant Pebbles.

>wordcels

>>16225019
>that's an ASAT test
what that is is a spaceplane

>>16225022
It's important to speak the language of spaceflight, and to understand how it works.
You should read "Ignition!" it's a great book which will teach you a lot about this stuff and allow you to fit in more.

>>16225011
Oh my bad anon. There's a different anon here that was posting that elon won't recover starships "second stage booster" yesterday. I didnt realize your post was about F9

He's right here btw >>16225007

>>16225019
I would personally trade the lives of every single human being in New York and Los Angeles for a single satellite in LEO

>>16224820
>Do you honestly think the Falcon 9 will ever be fully reusable?
Nobody here thinks that. Any pretext of making the second stage reusable ended several years ago. You would know this already if you weren't a tourist.
>Look how many times it crashed or fell over.
Pic related, EDS shitter.

>>16225029
yes, I'm still seething about him
how are you even that stupid, is it an ESL thing? does some other language translate their word for "stage" to "booster" in some dictionary?

>>16225022
Booster means first stage and always will. It wouldn't even make sense to use to to describe any engine and any stage of the rocket. Because if you ask, "what is the booster boosting", the answer is "another booster of course". It becomes a meaningless term. Or you could just know what the fuck you are saying before posting

>>16225025
Yes, the F-15A is a spaceplane. The government doesn't want you to know this but it's fully space capable. I flew one to Venus last week.

>>16225037
The phrase itself is uncanny to a spaceflight enthusiast. This phrase instantly identified him as a tourist.

>>16225017
>Liquid rocket [redacted] aren't LE REAL
Which is why those Shartship tests didn't require self destruction after leaks in the liquid oxygen [redacted]s, right?>>16225011
>They gave up on second stage recovery by launching a more expensive and less successful project with 0% recovery of any stages
kek okay pal starship lemon status rescinded

>>16225047
it's incredible how your retardation, feigned or real, is causing me to seethe to such an insane degree

>>16224905
Have the Chinese done it yet?

>>16225039
I'd like to interject for a moment. What you are referring to as a spaceplane is in fact ASAT/f-15 or as I've recently taken to calling it, ASAT plus F-15. F-15 is not a spaceplane unto itself, but rather another component to a fully functioning spaceplane made useful by the ASAT missile, space capabilities and vital F-15 launch components comprising a full spaceplane as defined by 4ASS

im obsessed with womens feet.

We should remove the atmosphere on earth to make spaceflight less difficult.
Imagine if we didn't have to use different rocket engine bells or deal with air resistance.
Don't allow terraformers to get their way and ruin perfectly good atmosphere-less worlds, remind them that they are inferior creatures.

>>16225037
>>16225045
>I'll just pretend that liquid rocket boosters aren't used for second stage propulsion by numerous rockets because my argument has been relegated to semantics

>>16225058
post one why don't you

>>16225058
fitting in is important though, it's almost like we know what we're talking about

>>16225058
Booster refers to either the first stage of a rocket, or stages that burn in parallel to the main first stage. Second stages are not boosters.

>>16225058
a "booster" is vague at best, and it is usually just another way of referring to the first stage on a two stage rocket.
Are you trying to say "engine"? That would make more sense.

>>16225055
we should remove the atmosphere on earth as part of the TED project

>>16225063
okay but could you call a Star SRM a "booster"

>>16225065
TED is very compelling as always.

>>16225058
>I'll just pretend im not a tourist who said "starship wont reuse its second stage booster"

Also it's not semantics. Few people would give you shit for calling something the wrong name. What you were saying was wrong anyway and you spent all your time trying to troll before you dropped the phrase

>>16225059
>>16225062
>>16225063
>>16225064
>"If I post 4 consecutive semantic copes it'll look like everyone is going along with it"
Cool story bro. Liquid rocket boosters are used for secondary propulsion, Starship hasn't recovered any, and you cannot refute this

>EDS poster thinks it's only him and one other person in this thread

>>16225075
>secondary propulsion
I've heard of tripropellant, is that close to what this is?
also, don't listen to
>>16225077 (Me)
/sfg/ is just one guy talking to himself and you.

>>16224613
>Shuttle doing 110 tons
lol who made this

>>16225075
you got me

being intentionally obtuse to garner replies is called "trolling"

>>16225083
kek

>>16225073
>"Calling something 'the wrong name''
>"Not semantics"
Fill in the blank: liquid rocket _______

>>16225088
engine

>>16225088
ballsack

>>16225088
plant

>>16225088
fleshlight

"I don't think this rocket is all that liquid"

>>16225088
jackie chan

>>16225050
Nah, they're all serious business military types. The closest they get are the procedure books they're holding throughout the launch.

>>16225089
Wrong
>>16225091
Closer, at least the acronym is correct then kek

>>16225089
you could also use "motor" although it would be weird.

>>16225099
Checked

>>16225034
Are you kidding? That wasn't even bait, that was sarcasm to make fun of the guy saying Starship failed because it exploded.

>>16225102
the engine/motor divide is one of the stranger quirks of English vocabulary.

>Elon Musk, the visionary entrepreneur and founder of SpaceX, has recently announced that he is canceling plans for recovering the second stage booster of the company's ambitious Starship spacecraft. This decision comes as a surprise to many in the industry who have been closely following SpaceX's progress in developing its next-generation rocket system.

>In recent years, Musk has made headlines with his plans for reusable rockets and spacecraft, which he believes are essential for making space travel more affordable and accessible. The Starship program aims to create a fully reusable transportation system that can carry humans to the Moon, Mars, and beyond. However, despite these ambitious goals, Musk has now decided not to pursue the recovery of the second stage booster for the time being.

>The decision appears to be primarily driven by cost considerations. While recovering rocket boosters is an essential part of SpaceX's mission to make space travel more affordable, doing so requires significant resources and investment. In light of these factors, Musk has decided that it would be better for the company to focus its efforts elsewhere at this time.

>Musk explained his reasoning in a series of tweets

>>16225101
Are you getting confused with SRB's?
solid rocket boosters are specifically these, I think only the energia used liquid rocket boosters, and that only flew like once.
These are called boosters because they attach to the side of the first stage in a modular way.

>>16225109
>chat gpt detected
fa/g/ strikes again

>>16225110
The reason why the first stage of starship is called a booster is because it's also kind of modular: you don't need it to get to LMO from the surface of mars.

>>16225088
kino

>>16225116
First stages may always be called boosters.

how long is it going to take for the tourists to leave? I forgot it becomes this bad

>>16225110
>>16225116
they call things "boosters" because they're big like my cock
I don't really get it but that's what they tell me

>>16225058
why are you doubling down? this is like the dumbest hill to die on

>>16225122
this is the way certain parts of this website believe that all communications on the internet should be
those people have brain damage, and should go back to their shitholes so I don't need to think about them

>>16225088
dildo

Guys help I'm going into the primary literature to research for my thesis but I think these "scientists" are using fake terms! It goes all the way back to the 60s, how deep does this "second stage booster" conspiracy go??

>>16225122
It usually doesn't. it's kind of interesting that different boards have their own different types of low quality tourists.
/pol/ and /x/ schizos are the kind we usually get, and they usually post space is fake stuff for a little while before leaving. Maybe they come back in flare ups sometimes and post the exact same thing again on and off but it peters out and they aren't that bad.

>>16225131
yeah "booster" was kinda a generic term for orbital launchers up through the 60s. you can find a bunch of old stuff just referring to atlas boosters or saturn boosters and they meant the entire rocket.

>>16225131
if you have three or more stage you can have multiple booster stages
in two stage rockets like Starship/Super Heavy, Starship is not a booster, it is being boosted

>>16225131
odd terminology, and some of these might refer to odd rocket studies with radial boosters on the second stage?
>>16225135 is correct though, even if you use this fringe terminology, starship second stage is still not one.

Holy shit you guys are sperging out about words without me??

>>16225131
>1 ancient paper
>3 ESL papers
poor showings

>all of this because the EDS poster thinks the F9 second stage not being reused is some sort of "gotcha"

>>16225131
sorry chud, language changes with use

>>16225135
okay but what if we put a Centaur upper stage inside of Starship as a third stage

>>16225143
pic related: EDS sufferer posting cope and seethe into our blessed thread

>>16225134
There are hundreds of research papers dated through 2024 that use the term "second stage booster" though. It's pretty obviously a widely used term by actual aerospace engineers and researchers, contrary to what a delusional hobbyist in this thread is claiming. It's clearly a pivot to semantics to avoid confronting the real debate

>>16225148
then you could call Starship a booster I guess, still a confusing term to use in that context
it would be clearer just to call starship a second stage (not a booster) with a third stage kick-stage

>>16225143
He said starship yesterday. He must have read about falcon 9 abandoning second stage reuse a long time ago and conflated it with starship

>>16225150
how many of those papers are posted by ESLs though?

>>16225150
>It's clearly a pivot to semantics to avoid confronting the real debate

That's been done and it wasn't a debate. Starship is recovering its second stage and it's not a booster. Everything you posted was uninformed billionaire spectator garbage

>>16225152
booster implies inherently expendable in my internal lexicon

>second stage boosters

>>16225143
>They're fully reusable
>No actually he never said the second stage boosters were reusable
>Second stage boosters don't exist
>....LE EDS
Thanks for reusing the same anime pics now everyone knows you're the same anon who tried to confidently imply that Saturn V carried the Apollo 7

>>16225152
>kick stage
this is discriminatory language, it's proper to call them "orbital transfer vehicles" or "space tugs" these days

>>16225160
Super Heavy is often called a booster and is not expendable

>>16225156
pretty much all of the modern references are either chinese or indian.
this is from google scholar. Even then it's kind of rare.

>>16225161
cool

>>16225164
kick stage =/= space tug

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeCI1B-0Jkc

>>16225159
>Starship is recovering its second stage
How many have they recovered?
>Uninformed billionaire spectator garbage
Project more

>>16225165
also F9 first stage is a recoverable booster

>>16225156
>Those don't LE COUNT
Post your AE degree professor

>>16225163
Nobody said F9 second stages are reusable.

>>16225166
well indians have three stage rockets, in multi-stage rockets you can have multiple booster stages
in any case, Starship is not a booster
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LVM3

>>16225165
Thanks for the clarification. How many have been recovered?

>>16225165
hmmmmm, you've given me a lot to think about
>>16225169
yeah but a Centaur is obviously an OTV or space tug, the RL10 is capable of relights and modern Centaur has basically all of the ACES improvements rolled into it except for the ZBO stuff (it's too heavy for casual use)
>>16225170
they have had one out of two upper stages make it to a soft splash down in the ocean

>>16225177
>No actually he never said that
[You are here]

>>16225178
A booster boosting a booster doesn't make sense.

>>16225179
why do you keep bringing this up like its relevant in any way?

>>16225184
you should play kerbal space program

>>16225184
The booster is boosting the stack on top of it which has an additional booster and then the kick stage or upper stage

>>16225182
Why didn't they recover it? 2 more booms?

>>16225186
I have.
>>16225179
This makes me wonder if they're just going to leave superheavy from the last flight just floating there in the gulf.
Can they even transport it? Did they activate the FTS after it flopped?

>>16225190
you're not going to believe me, but it's the fucking government's fault
the FAA and Joe Biden won't let them reenter over land and try to recover the vehicle
something about untested vehicles and populated areas

> 'this doesn't resemble starlink!' cried the /sfg/ downie

>>16225185
>"It's fully reusable"
>"How many have been reused?"
>"... EDS troll reee shut up"
Kek okay
>Inb4 circles back to "failed test costs for this one don't count but successful launch costs count for NASA projects"

https://www.vayaspace.com/post/vaya-space-awarded-multiple-patents-for-vortex-hybrid-engine-technology

>vortex flow LOX hybrid engine with 350s Isp
what the fuck

>>16225191
>Can they even transport it? Did they activate the FTS after it flopped?
i'm pretty sure this is being kept secret. that's why the spacex video didn't show it tipping over.

>>16225088
nigger

>>16225191
>Can they even transport it?
Kek no. They've yet to even unveil a prototype for a recovery vessel capable of retrieving a Starship

>>16225197
How dare you spread those conspiracies anon. It's safe and sound and already being refurbished for next month's manned launch
>inb4 source

>>16225206
source?

>in after source

>>16225195
not really sure what your argument is really

>>16225090
i'm gonna cum

>>16225191
>>16225197
>>16225204
Even if they could push/pull it with tugboats there's no way you could keep that a secret.

I bet they were required to activate fts at engine shutdown. That's why the video cuts before it falls over, and the buoy footage doesn't show it fall over either because they cut the explosion out. They don't want /g/tards coming in here telling us the rocket exploded because they don't know the FTS is normal procedure required by the government

>>16225210
SHUT EDS TROLL REEEEEEE

>>16225196
oh interesting they're using polyethylene instead of HTPB-based goop or paraffin

https://www.vayaspace.com/post/from-hobbyist-s-workshop-to-orbital-dreams-the-revolutionary-rise-of-3d-printed-rocket-fuel

>>16224409
Why is everyone on the Artemis crew jewish?

>>16225216
>They don't want /g/tards coming in here telling us the rocket exploded because they don't know the FTS is normal procedure required by the government
they never needed to use FTS for the f9 water landings did they? don't see why this would be any different.

>>16225223
Starship floats when empty and would be a hazard to navigation.

>Flight Termination System
>booster is no longer in flight
semanticbros...

>>16225228
why do you argue with people in the thread when you are not even familiar with basic jargon? lmao

what twitter does to a man (vaxxed albeit)

Yup, it's still the weekend.

Kek this thread is unusable what the fuck

>>16225223
did they ever do a water landing with those? I'm guessing not because a barge can transport it. I guess the best answer would be what happened to any F9s that fell over but didnt explode, if that ever happened

>>16225228
>booster is no longer in flight

so its recovered, no one needed your concession but thanks anyway lmao

>>16225243
>i don't know what i'm talking about and instead of taking 1 minute to do minimal research i'll just make shit up off the top of my head and pretend it's useful information

>>16225239
>>16225242
The last two or three threads have been utterly dreadful, people posting bad bait and retards responding

>>16225243
yes multiple times and I don't think they recovered them either

Why don't they just find where the booster and second stage landed, then send a diver in there to open up a valve and then pump it up with ping pong balls so that it will float up

I am "Brilliant Pebbles anon" and I did not make this post: >>16225194
I am not so rude.

https://twitter.com/cbs_spacenews/status/1799893301430022244
>Starliner CFT: Flight controllers have told the Starliner crew their undocking and return to Earth is moving from June 14 to June 18 to provide separation for an already planned spacewalk by ISS astronauts Tracy Dyson and Matt Dominick on June 13. NASA will hold a briefing to preview EVA-90 and two subsequent spacewalks on Tuesday at 4pm EDT (2000 UTC)

>>16225245
Yeah I deserve that

after 1 minute of minimal research the rockets immediately explode when touching the water. I won't speculate if they explode because FTS or the engine bells touching the water sealing all the pressure inside. That would take another minute to figure out

>>16225253
the data they would get from recovering them would not be worth the cost and complexity
with high cadence and hopefully tower recovery they can get them back without any extra cost or time, no damage from water

>>16225216
They should rig the stages they drop in the water with scuttling charges small enough to leave the stage mostly intact, but also include sea mines rigged to arm themselves once they settle on the ocean floor. That way any chinese submarine foolish enough to take a look gets a nasty surprise.

>>16224421
Is this a new meme?

reminder that polaris dawn is happening July 12
Ariane 6 is July 9
Falcon Heavy launc in June 25
Vulcan Centaur with Dream Chaser should be before July

>>16224645
daily reminder, N1 comparison baiter, that pretending to be retarded is a form of mental illness, you are coping with a lack of parental attention by requesting it from anomymous strangers online in the form of laughing at you.