/sci/ - Science & Math

still on page 9 faggot

space sex with big fat starship tits

We are so back

It's another great day in space! Thanks, Boeing!
>“Today marks a great milestone towards providing additional commercial access to low Earth orbit, sustaining the ISS and enabling NASA’s goal of returning humans to the moon and eventually to Mars.”

>>16218963
Can you imagine the absolute conniption fit some people would have if Trump were President during the Artemis missions?

So what's our next best hope for estronaut's immolation/asphyxiation now dearMoon is canned?

>>16218981
If starship is 2m/launch we can crowdfund to send him into the sun

Any rumors on IFT-5 possible mission goals?

>>16218956
death to chinese pedo cartoons

>>16219014
Objective: Survive

>>16219014
Elon talked about maybe landing the booster on the chopsticks this time.
I think they'll probably save that for when they have a spare tower, but who knows?

>>16219014
CATCH on tower

>>16219036
Apparently a second tower is being built at Boca Chica right now. I'm hyped as fuck for all things Starship, but not gonna lie the chopstick tower catch seems incredibly sketchy right now

you made a new thread at page 9 using a cartoon picture. Also no edition. Everyone ignore the newfag

I'm worried about Starliner having to do a re-entry right now

>>16219043
This. Thread exploded on the pad. Fuck that pedo

>>16218965
>oft-docking.jpg
>not "oft-choking.jpg"

How many failed tests has these been?

>>16219085
>"failed"

>>16219034

>>16219085
You failed an English test, apparently.

>>16219014
Presumably they have proved to the relevant authorities that Starship can make orbit and remain in control, so that will be tested. I doubt the cargo door will reappear until v2. Beyond that who knows, I think they will keep testing the Stage Zero lighting sequence and figure out why the shockwave is still occasionally putting engines out. Maybe they have a solar panel design that needs to be flight proven? I've seen renders of some wacky fan panels.

>>16219014
Is it too soon to attempt orbit?, i see it as the logical next step for starship before sending humans.
If sending humans is too soon perhaps they can attempt with animals.

>>16219124
What animals should attempt? In my opinion, a monitor lizard.

i was wondering if mechazilla was the largest robot in the world
then i found out about autohaul
>2.5 km long
>28,000 t.
mechazilla still has to be the biggest robot with arms though

>>16218956
She is big girl.

>>16219133
>Australian engineering
world class

>>16219126
That would be a bad idea: lizards are reptiles and as such they are cold blooded and would need heating inside the payload.
Send a monkey or an orangutan instead, they are very similar to human beings so that they will make the best test subjects.

>>16219136
wtf spinlaunch looks like this?!

I don't believe in reusable flaps

um retard question here
couldn't you refuel starship in orbit then do a deorbit burn to basically just fall straight down?

>>16219155
That would take a truly ludicrous amount of DV, more than starship could output.

>>16219155
How would the refueling starship go back tho?

>>16219158
it would just do the classic way its doing right now
the one that does the deorbit burn would be for crewed missions
>>16219157
couldn't it handle it with barely any payload?

>>16219155
There's not been a rocket in history that could just negate it's velocity from orbit to go straight down, even a fully fueled and empty starship already in orbit wouldn't be able to do it

>>16219109

>>16219147
Same principle at least.

I can't fucking wait for the dream chaser bros, the last test was 6 years ago and it still amazes me.

>>16219177
Well, you're gonna have to wait.
And wait.
And wait.

Hi

>>16219177
I'm still mad they chose scrubliner over it

>>16219173
>even a fully fueled and empty starship already in orbit wouldn't be able to do it
could it not reduce the speed by a large fraction to make reentry easier?

>>16218268
>>16219160
skepticism from 2019

>>16219014
in-orbit burn that was skipped in IFT-3, test new flaps (probably already designed mostly), maybe try tower landing with booster

>>16219192
sure, but the extra heatshield you need from not doing propulsive breaking always ends up weighing less than the propellant you'd need to do the breaking

>>16219193
KWABOTC

>>16219124
they need to demonstrate a de-orbit burn before going orbital

>>16219193
man Starship really does bring out the worst seethe in people for some reason. It's like a big stainless steel middle finger to old space

>>16219197
>sure, but the extra heatshield you need from not doing propulsive breaking always ends up weighing less than the propellant you'd need to do the breaking
well this is ignoring the weight and just focusing on safety
if you were a billionaire and could afford it, refueling and then reducing your speed would be safer right?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A81kBFRT0cg

BOOBA

>>16219203
it's always going to be more cost-effective to get a bigger/tougher heat shield. if you like throwing money away, your idea would work too.

>>16219193
I collected 723 screenshots from mainly 2018-2020. There were some not-BFR-specific ones that are also funny now because they talk about Crew Dragon / starlink / F9, like 'ah yes but they haven't even re-used a F9 over 10 times yet' sorts of things... anyways

>>16219204
they really couldn't see shit from spadre, huh? i don't feel nearly as bad for not making the trip yet...

>>16218965
The Starliner mission-salvage must have been a significant development, because I saw a bunch of Russoid / Eurasianist faux-smug seething in video comments.
Or maybe they're always that way, I dunno.
>t. Tourist

>>16219203
Or, here's an idea, you could skip the going to orbit part at all, you could just launch a rocket straight up, see the pretty sights, and then have it come straight down. You could use a much smaller rocket that way, even, maybe make it even more phallic than usual for a rocket if it's just a billionaire's dick stroking machine.

>>16219223
well this would be for guys who went out to the moon/mars etc for a holiday
>>16219212
you could do both
maybe a ultra safe heavy starship could be possible
its not like you have to launch with the weight, just refuel in orbit

>>16219034
>>16218956
Hella based
I appreciate the reference to the burned fin.

>>16219019
Picrel: doxxed (You)

I'm trying to find news pieces about starship's launch on YT, but my god the search function is so fucking broken. It's all garbage clickbait and stuff not actually related to the search query.

guys you can stop posting in this faux thread I'll bake a legitimate one in a second.

>>16219204
Reminds me of ogre Fiona from Shrek

>>16219236
this is idiotic

>>16219227
The answer really is that the amount it would cost to fly tanker Starships up to refuel a crew starship so it can take the world's least efficient path to the ground is more than people think it would cost to just figure out the Starship heatshield thing. Maybe that'd be wrong in the future, but even if it were, it'd be more efficient to have an unmanned starship in orbit that's just loaded with Dragon capsules and have people deorbit in those, rather than sending up unmanned starships to refuel a Starship and have it land like a suborbital mission.

>>16219239
NASA has no Fiona but it has tomboy waifus at your monitoring station, who wear the same plaid button down shirt as you.

>>16219193
seems like a lot of anons thought stainless steel was a meme and they'd switch away from it eventually.
heh.

>>16219244
That's not a tomboy, that's a bull dyke. You can tell by the tie. Tomboys don't wear ties.

>>16219136

Most Australian thing I will see today!

Is the round shape the most optimal for coming down? I just keep thinking like what if the heatshield side was just shaped a bit differently to direct the plasma where they want, like how cars take in account airflow. But maybe that doesn't really matter, if the main issue was just the flaps

>>16219269
Different considerations at these speeds anon. Airflow doesn't turn the protruding bits of your car that direct it in useful ways into molten metal, because the speed differential is much lower.

>>16219193
this is going to serve as a very good slap in the face for any idiot 10 years from now that tries to say "N-NOBODY EVER S-SAID THAT WE ALL T-THOUGHT IT WOULD MAKE IT!"

>>16218956
>three generals in 24 hours
>thousands of posts
/sfg/ is ALIVE

>>16219239
underrated post

>>16219269
Would you fuck off you stupid tourist? No /sfg/ regular would be asking these obvious questions that have been answered literally half a century ago. And no I wont be spoonfeeding you the answer, go back to whatever shithole you came from and ask them.

>>16219223
The New Shepards' launches are not just rich dick stroking, they are a very valuable way to experiment with the dynamic of the Earth and the hardware of the rocket.
Every New Shepard's launch get us forward to the New Glenn with more security and stability, that's why they are useful.

Here's what the japanese thought of the second stage splashdown:
>>>/wsg/5578108

>>16219278
/sfg/ is full of tourists that are shitting up the general.

>>16219278
>those peaks on the Starship tests
Also what the hell happened in August?

>>16218977
if trump hears that people cna land on the moon in his second term maybe he will emergency executive order 1 trillion to artemis and get it done

>>16219288
>$995bil to ULA

>>16219286
The LK-99 RTSC hoax.

>>16219291
I didn't even notice. That certainly seems like a topic that would get the schizos and academics hollering and screaming at each other for weeks

>>16219204
what causes this utter PIG phenotype /sfg/?

>>16219278

>>16219297
>>16219284

>>16219281
I love the optimism anon. Manifest that September launch.

mfw spacex starship

mfw spacex starship

>>16219284
>>16219280
I'm not that flap-anon,
But I am a tourist. I'm from /k/
.... do you hate me, anon...? @_@

>>16219280
Well you're regular old grinch, very rude

>>16219291
>hoax
https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/energy/a46457141/room-temperature-superconductor-comeback/

lol

>>16218963
two unethical manipulators.
Fuck Elon.

>>16219316
is that middle one a hooker? very feminine foot posture if male.

>>16219324
Funding secured

>>16219323
>>16219324
>blatant bait posts
Why even save these?

Can we talk about the fact that the strongest first stage in human history is basically fully operational now?
I mean even if they abandoned second stage reusability at this point and instead just built big dumb corn silo second stages on a long assembly line we are already guaranteed to have a never before seen capability to yeet untold amounts of raw stuff into orbit.

Crazy too. The Starship program may be 5 years old, but Superheavy was just slapped together maybe 2 years ago and it already manages to go through its entire mission including the propulsive landing that no other company can do.

>>16219327
iirc I may have misnamed the file, because the suited people may include ground crew, not just pilots

>>16218963
Imagine if Trump gets relected and Moon landing happens on his watch

LMAO. The amount of seething it would generate. Holy moly.

>>16219242
>it'd be more efficient to have an unmanned starship in orbit that's just loaded with Dragon capsules and have people deorbit in those, rather than sending up unmanned starships to refuel a Starship and have it land like a suborbital mission.
why not just have a dragon inside the starship fairing
double safety

>>16219331
we arent sure if the landing was nominal yet. it didnt seem to hover like they said it would, instead descending at a constant rate for the final few seconds, and we dont know if it landed within tolerable bounds of the targeted location.

>>16219334
because you can't abort during launch from inside the bay

>>16219337
who says we can't?
its only a few mm of steel

>>16219242
Dragon production line is shutting down. All that will be made have been made There won’t be many around to use for something like that. They’re all going to be booked for ISS/ISS replacement missions

is nobody going tlo talk about the gridfins on superheavy? i think they got overshadowed by the spectacualar return of the ship, but those thigns were crazy, vibrating back and forth like they were about to fall off and actuating side to side multiple times a second

Can we just take a moment to depreciate the image in the OP? The biggest thing in spaceflight in decades just happened and the best image this absolute basement dwelling perma-online neckbeard could come up with is a drawing of a humanoid rocket drowning.

>>16219337
Astra disagrees.

>>16219341
Yeah I noticed the entire ship was slightly oscillating and the gridfins were trying to suppress that? Remember it was oscillating last flight too?

>>16219342
at least its not furry

>>16219342
>drowning
she is happily floating

>>16219334
>>16219339
I think the bit where I was saying it'd be more efficient to launch Dragon capsules in a Starship and have crew land in those is somehow being viewed as me seriously thinking that is a good idea, and not a dumb idea somehow less dumb than a propulsive deorbit of Starship.

>>16219342
can we take a moment for you to take your meds?

>>16219350
>less dumb than a propulsive deorbit of Starship.
what is so dumb about it?
the fuel will be waiting in orbit
all you have to do is transfer it and do another burn
not saying do it for every mission but maybe when elon wants to go a trip or someone important

>>16219347
i thought it was about to lose control because they kept actuating into the oscilations making them worse like on ift3. Their models of the air through the landing regime must not be perfect

>>16219233
Google has been finding new and creative ways to shovel shit down our troaths so yt, google search, etc... is all even more shit now.

Can we just take a moment to depreciate the sculpture on the bow? The biggest thing in seafaring in decades just happened and the best image this absolute basement dwelling perma-online neckbeard could come up with is a figure of a humanoid fish asphyxiating.

>>16219354
yeah and maybe propellant slosh is playing a role. But I noticed after the engine lit the oscillations stopped.

>>16219233
Yeah absolute state of youtube search. I could design a better search algorithm lol. Google and Boeing are such garbage companies how are they even getting along.

Can we just take a moment to depreciate the painting on the fuselage? The biggest thing in warfare in decades just happened and the best image this absolute basement dwelling perma-online neckbeard could come up with is a figure of a humanoid strumpet come-hithering.

>>16219358
>But I noticed after the engine lit the oscillations stopped
true, and even without the engines it seems to gain control right before splashdown, it straightened out like that on ift3 too

>>16219362
hit a nerve faggot?

>>16219342
Anon, the moment that one of we perma-termina-giga basementdwelling neckbeards gets our act together, another engineer is born.
Let us not impede the process of inspiration and appreciation

>>16219341
They have more work to do than F9 gridfins, which aren't exactly static on the way down either.
Because there's no fucking entry burn.

>>16219366
how to get an act together? (asking for a friend)

>>16219362
Can we take a moment to depreciate the painting on the nose? The biggest thing in melting Charlie just happened and the best image this basement dwelling perma-online neckbeard could come up with is a Marylin-Monroe wannabe going spread-eagle for a gasoline-filled penis.

>>16219333
Then Trump and the Artemis astronauts have a tickertape parade

>>16219193
>bfr will cost 2 billion dollars in engines alone
whew lad there are some serious gems in here

spacex vindicated.

>>16219333
he's already been found guilty on one of his several criminal trials. It's over for Trump.

$50 million per engine X 39 engines = 1950 million. And that's a conservative engine price estimate.

>>16219382

>>16219357

>>16219374
The best I've been able to manage is:
1) Get a few indulgences. Like some food or drink.
2) Get your math textbook or language workbook or whatever ready at your desk or whatever.
3) Read or watch some discrete packet of whatever your stupid vice addiction is. Or if it's Chans or SocMed, then it could be "one full round of checking the threads. While doing this, binge in your comfort food/drink.
4) While riding that high, just launch into that book involved with whatever you should really be doing with your life. It's painful to pull away from an addiction so step 3 is meant to sort of wash that out.

Gradually the dauntingness of that more virtuous route should fade. As you get into it and get a better handle on what you need to learn and how long it will take.

Space Pioneer has now raised over ¥4b ($550m)
https://finance.eastmoney.com/a/202406063097512949.html

Pay your respects.

I KNEEL

>>16219385
there's a woman who's seen some depreciation

>>16219333
B-b-but...muh first woman of color....

>>16219193
God bless you anon, checked

>>16219393
I KNEEL

(reposting this because it's pretty cool, from https://x.com/MaxFagin/status/1798747577694978120))

>>16219393
I KNEEL

>>16219393
I REJECT the bad flap design

>>16219419
MY CHILD will REJECT FLAP

>>16219414
20 minutes from entry interface to touchdown compared to 30 for shuttle.

SPASTICS WITH POWER. NUH NUH

>>16219414
wait it doesn't even pull 2Gs on the way down?
neato

>>16219393
I was a really big composites-fag and I was hellbent on it being the future. But after yesterday I have seen the error of my ways. I apologise Flap-sama..

>>16219439
How can one be a compositefag in the year of our Elon 2024? Its many flaws have been known since forever, and ITS was widely criticized for intending to use composites at the time too.

>>16219393
I KNEEL

>>16219439
i'm not sure i've ever seen elon be so smuggy on twitter as he was over the steel yesterday

>>16219439
Me too anon, me too.

>>16219444
Solving the riddle of steel gives you the right to be smug

>>16219443
>sparks flying around, it's over
>landing burn reveals flap is still there and functional
We were watching it at the office and literally cheered.

>>16219446
The ITS looks like a black kinder egg capsule.

>>16219448
Oh say can you see,
That Star-ship flap, it stil waa-aaves

>>16219448
Yeah, a real kino moment, shit was straight out of a movie or anime.

>>16219456
what made it so cinematic was how there were like 5 moments on the way down where everyone thought that had to be the end. i thought it, you thought it, thunderf00t thought it.

>>16219443
We're all going to make it

https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/06/after-a-drama-filled-day-boeings-starliner-finally-finds-its-way/
>With Thursday's success, Boeing became only the second private company to build and fly a human orbital spacecraft, joining an elite club of just three nations: Russia, the United States, and China, alongside SpaceX. For the first time in history, three different crewed vehicles, Starliner, SpaceX's Dragon, and Russia's Soyuz, were all simultaneously docked at the station.

the station is useless and should be abandoned asap.

how many starships are required to land on the moon? ive heard these claims about 20 times refuelling and it sounds way too high, especially if starship is supposed to have at minimum 150 ton mass to orbit

>>16219476
10-15

>>16219472
>picrel
Are we all just gonna ignore the day the SpaceX capsule instantly exploded into a cloud of cancerous red smoke?

>>16219380
Nobody cares

>>16219478
pad testing vs testing in orbit with people inside
pretty fucking different situation
nigger

>>16219478
Something that happened half a decade ago during testing?

>>16219278
>aug 2023

SAD

>>16219478
You are the only anon who keeps bringing it up and it's painfully obvious

>>16219434
note that it doesn't include the acceleration due to gravity, but yeah it's pretty soft
(good values for other spacecrafts here in section 2.5 http://www.diva-portal.org/smash/get/diva2:1183272/FULLTEXT01.pdf))

>>16219476
Depends how much the final design can carry. This is in turn determined by how much they beef up or slim down the rocket and how high they can push the engine performance. All of this is work in progress right now.

>>16219481
Really it's been a decade already?

>Why don't you just give up?!
>Because she never did.

https://x.com/Erdayastronaut/status/1798839719964618998

Reminder, all concerns are modeled, understood to a degree and are either considered completely safe or if its in question, workarounds are already in place for the next stage of development after verifications.

Its a non stop process.

>>16219380
Yes, but biden shit himself on stage.
You want a dude who shits himself in confusion or a dude who fucks pornstars?

>>16219492
I'm not really in the market for plague or cholera.

>>16219487
Retard

>>16218963
Zion Don is not our ally

>>16219414
the altitude hold at 68km is quite visible.

>>16219472
do they don't know what is causing the (multiple different) helium leak issues and do not know why 5 of 28 RCS thrusters failed
on top of that, the most difficult part (re-entry) is still ahead of them
maybe they aren't really that big of a deal like Nappi says but I mean its Boeing

>This could happen as soon as June 14 but could also be delayed, Stich said.
>Undocking, initiating a de-orbit burn, and surviving reentry through Earth's atmosphere will be one of the most challenging parts of the Starliner mission. Two sources told Ars on Thursday evening that NASA had a lot of issues to work through before Starliner would be cleared to fly home. Both helium supplies and the reaction-control thrusters are necessary for a successful departure from the station and entry into Earth's atmosphere.

>>16219498
Here is hoping they find a big problem and they cant use starliner anymore and they need a dragon capsule to get them back home.

I just checked the KSP forums, its full of commie trannies crying about Musk today. LMAO

Is the entire fanbase like this?

Ars Technica comment section being very positive, which is somewhat surprising to me

https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/06/spacexs-starship-took-a-beating-but-held-on-for-first-return-from-space/?comments=1&comments-page=1

>>16219500
I wouldn't know, I just play the game instead of paying attention to forums.

>>16219503
Clark and Berger articles are the only saving grace for that reddit owned site.

>>16219500
"Communities" have been infected by the rot for over a decade. Why are you surprised?

>>16219193
Good job

>>16219503
>>16219505
And the article writer dictates/prompts the temperature of the comments.

>>16219492
I know that this is not the place to talk about this, but the dude didn't just "fuck a pornstar": he paid her hush money to sign an NDA and then falsified business records in order to hide the payment.
That's why he is a convicted felon, he was convicted on 34 counts of falsifying business records by a jury of peers, if a convicted felon cannot join simple law enforcement agencies such as the FBI or the DEA should he be considered eligible for the office of commander in chief of the armed forces? Should the US give the security clearance to a person that has been indicted for mishandling classified documents (wich is something that will get the s.c. revoked)?

https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/06/rocket-report-starliner-soars-to-space-station-starships-wild-flight/

Small Rockets
>Firefly lands massive launch contract.
>It’s now Sir Peter Beck to you, commoner.
>Account of Astra’s dire fundraising efforts.
>Rocket Lab's back-to-back missions for NASA.
>Air Force ramps up Minuteman cadence.

Medium Rockets
>Starliner roars into space but encounters issues.
>Ariane 6 gets a launch date.
>Chinese firm raises big money.

Heavy Rockets
>Starship launches, survives reentry.
>Japanese billionaire cancels Starship flight.
>Military may seek Starship test in FY 2025.

>>16219385
Why did he choose a literal demon as a girlfriend? Even Musk has a better taste.

>>16219507
its not me, I just reposted it

>>16219511
>I know that this is not the place to talk about this
and what did you do with this knowledge?

>>16219517
lmao

>>16219511
>I know that this is not the place to talk about this
Your right, take your own advice.

>>16219511
Lil bro just shit his diaper in /sfg/ baka

>>16219517
I talk about it, that's what i do, deal with it.

>>16219523
talk about it somewhere else

>>16219522
Just like his president.

>>16219500
Where?
The spacex thread is talking about the launch like everywhere is

>>16219532
The one on the leddit, but then again, its leddit, so i'm not surprised one bit.

https://new.reddit.com/r/EnoughMuskSpam/comments/1da6meq/pretty_much/

https://new.reddit.com/r/EnoughMuskSpam/comments/1d9zjbj/elon_admits_flying_a_rocket_with_39_raptors_200m/

https://new.reddit.com/r/EnoughMuskSpam/comments/1d9x47m/starship_the_cybertruck_of_space_poor_design_fix/

>>16219492
bit off topic but Wasn't there rumours Trump was shitting himself on stage constantly. Also neither are good for space

>>16219536
Most people are just getting btfo by replies in that first link lol

>>16219537
there is a world of difference between biden and trump with respect to space

Thoughts?

I appreciate the irony of a place called enoughmuskspam that does nothing but obsessively talk about elon musk.

>>16219544
Not just space but everything. One is completely goner and has no idea where he is, what he's doing, what's going on, etc there's so many videos of him like this, its now not just sad and pathetic but also cruel and unusual. The other is a lively one but still acts like a retard from time to time.

astronauts shit themselves

https://x.com/esherifftv/status/1799064516191526933

Elon with Ellie on catching on tower chance

spaceflight?.jpg

>>16219551

>>16219547
Seems like a case of not paying off the right people like Hollywood does with it's arsenal of fully automatic weapons and explosives that rival small countries in size.

reminder that trump literally smells like shit and its been confirmed by republicans

>>16219547
we can't place 100% of the blame on the fact that zoomers don't live in reality. i blame video games.

NASA’s Mega Moon Rocket

>>16219547
Epic video to see for sure. Where's the link?

>>16219556
As long as he stays out of Musks way I don't care at all
Biden is openly hostile and using similar lawfare he is using against Trump against Musk

>>16219514
Musk's women have been pretty normal. Even Grimes is normal once you hose her down.

>>16219550
I just farted. Can I be astronaut and president now?

>>16219551
hullo and at least one anon were saying they'll want to wait until the second tower is ready before trying a catch, but i don't really see how waiting helps you. the second tower's going to be finished regardless of whether the first one gets destroyed in july (inshallah) or december.

>>16219564
yes actually

>>16219551
the whole interview should be dropping in 2h 20min assuming 10:30 AM is Texas time

https://x.com/esherifftv/status/1798974421371084906

>>16219565
Possible strategy.

1) try with tower in ~1-2 months from now
2) in 1-2 months from now, 2nd tower will be half way finished
3a) tower catch fails = speed up 2nd tower
3b) tower catch succeeds = speed up 2nd tower
4) next flight after that is another 1-2 months (so total of 4 months from today)
5) 2nd tower will be finished
6a) if 1st tower was damaged 2 months earlier, it would be either repaired or will be in the process of being repaired
6b) if 1st tower wasn't damaged, it will be usable
7) now there are 2 towers

There's no real loss scenario

>>16219565
Depends if the new tower is just a tower or tower + OLM
If the new tower is just a catch tower, then you'll have to wait till it's up to do the catch less you blow up your only pad, if they are building an OLM then the old OLM might be able to be sacrificed

>>16219565
if there is something they wanted to test which they couldn't do on IFT-5 or didn't succeed then a destroyed tower might delay flight 6 due to tower repairs/new tower construction being the long pole
you have four Starship/Super Heavy v1 vehicles waiting already
not to mention there might be some enviromental assessment shit again
is it worth it to not test tower landing if you can squeeze in a launch or two which might be blocked by a damaged tower? maybe

>>16219570
Also basically there will always be atleast 1 usable tower in the next 4 months.

https://x.com/Dailymirror_SL/status/1798767685146431925

Starlink now has preliminary approval to operate in Sri Lanka.

>>16219570
what if they are able to spam out launches once a month now?
one launching next month and then getting delayed 3-4 months due to tower repairs would mean they have 3 outdated stacks waiting around that they could have launched and perhaps even used to test or launch some starlinks

Was looking at IFT-4 videos on bilibili, the users there seem to have a very positive view of the flight and Starship in general. Also lots of Boing shit-talk which is funny to see

>>16219490
getting concerned about elons shape.
beginning to look like a vogon.

>>16219573
recovering the booster is by far the most important thing they need to test right now. nothing else comes even close as far as being a necessity for ramping up cadences.
>>16219572
it's gonna be tower + OLM because they're gonna need two pads to launch the two ships for the prop transfer demo

Can someone catch me up on why they are even building a second tower right next to the first one?
It's not like they could prepare a second stack for launch on one pad while they're actively launching from the other.

Is it really just redundancy if one gets damaged or closed for upgrades?
Is the new tower higher since they said they would stretch the tanks?

>>16219579
Its possible, they'll try whatever is the fastest route.

>1 month launch rate
a) tower 1 fails, next wait is ~3-4 months after
b) tower 1 works, next wait is 1 month after

Or they could buffer a bit

>2 month launch rate
a) tower 1 fails, next wait is 2-3 months after
b) tower 2 works, next wait is 2 months after

Either way, they'll hit the launch limit I think this year.

>>16219580
>No account
>only 2 comments seeable
>video limited to 1 min or so
lmao.

>>16219537
>Also neither are good for space
Not true. I don't like Trump, but he did lots of good things for space.
>Appointed Jim Bridenstine (the best Administrator that NASA has had in years).
>The first spaceflight launched from the US since the end of the Space Shuttle occurred during his Administration.
>Established the Space Force
>Had policies specifically around space in his 2020 campaign platform.

>>16219580
maybe, despite all our differences, we are all the same...

>>16219583
My gu as is it's close to the factory

i guess we can delete the flaps

>>16219430
doesn't this pretty much prove that even with the bulkiness of this early prototype, starship has a much better mass/drag ratio?

>>16219570
There is another possibility.

Build barebone 2nd tower asap that basically acts as a dummy catcher tower with reduced risk to integral tower parts, aimed away from the rest of the starbase facilities

>>16219542
I will shitpost on both 4chan and reddit, my power level can't be contained by just one website alone.

>>16219580
I think china sees NASA as the political foil, and SpaceX as the technical foil - both worth emulating (copying I guess)
Long Lehao had a conference a few years ago at I think the university of hong kong and all the students were wearing SpaceX occupy Mars shirts lol. I think there’s huge respect for SpaceX in China. The same thing exists on Dvach with russia.

>>16219155
you could get yourself down to only a handful of km/s, so about mach 6 or whatever, which might be too hot for just bare steel maybe but yeah
if you did this you could bring an HLS Starship back from orbit

>>16219588
We can take a megalodon-sized bite out of them to save weight.

>>16219588
the mesosphere sure as hell tried to delete them

hey pete

>>16219593
Elon is huge outside of western media propaganda goyslop world, especially in China because they understand hustle culture. They grew up in it and got rich/prosperous as a result. They understand hard work leads to prosperity.

In American and in the west today, the marxists promote the idea that hard work = stupid and that the smartest is to not do any work. How does a society function like this? You need hard work + smart work. Not one or other. We haven't created a society where we have abundance yet, so if we slow down the progress all that would lead is decay and misery.

>>16219570
this is great an all but how is this going to impact unique species to the area like the ocelot, piping clover, or kemps ridley sea turtles? im sure all the boca chica flea beetles are dead now from the deluge water run off. The only plausible outcome is that starbase is moved to florida.

>>16219598
The threat of chinks stealing data is too bit BUT I think an Artemis-ILRS meetup on the Moon would be so, so kino. I have huge for China spaceflight but I see why people view them as the antagonist, especially if we want/need some sort of new space race

It took more tries to get Superheavy landing right than Starship reentry lol

>>16219393
I KNEEL

>>16219602
China has multiple probes on mars and the moon. They're the 2nd most prolific space power after SpaceX/US.

>>16219592
look at that fat cock
not as big as mine though.

>>16219602
*threat is too BIG
*I have huge RESPECT for
Damn wtf I cannot type this morning

>>16219608
it's the re-entry juices flowing through your brain
the entire general is in an elevated mental state right now, partially disabling our cognition. we're pretty much all on space cocaine at the moment, prepare for the after effects of it wearing off and an increase in IT'S SO OVER or NOTHING EVER HAPPENS in a few days.
after fortnight we'll likely have re-adjusted to regular dopamine levels and everyone will be back to the usual 2 weeks routine.

>>16219565
Not sure why everyone keeps saying this, but the tower doesn't really matter as much as the OLM. They can throw up a new tower in a few months. A new OLM will probably take 12+ months to construct

>>16219557
Meanwhile we that watch rocket videos are so much better

elon is talking about moving the flaps further inward, won't that change the stability and control parameters, may also violate faa license, why not just make them titanium or solid steel instead of the cardboard form they are in right now

How realistic is this?
I pulled the points after 4 out of my ass

>>16219605
So they're third.

https://spacenews.com/spacex-and-the-categorical-imperative-to-achieve-low-launch-cost/

>>16219611
Booster crashing on top of OLM wont make OLM completely disappear. OLM is extremely robust enough that it can hold a completely filled starship + booster stack. 5000+ tons filled vs ~200-250 tons empty.

250/5000 ton = 5% mass. Its like an empty coke can falling on top of a brick

>>16219609
reminder that I was on actual cocaine for IFT-1 (april 20eth 2023)

>>16219614
looks a bit optimistic.

>>16219583
redundancy and there is really no way to build it somewhere else quickly

>>16219614
musk was saying at least 6 flights this year before IFT-3. unless we want to believe that he underestimated how easy things would be for the first time in his life, i'm gonna say 40 days is the absolute minimum turnaround time in 2024.

>>16219613
stainless steel is better for reentry than titanium, and solid steel would be too heavy lol

>>16219612
i went to ift-1 and saw sts-112. spaceflight is actually real and not just pixels on a screen. you might be surprised at what happens outside your basement.

>>16219626
this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1GVDjSNTPk

>>16219625
then increase the motor's power, aren't they powered by a motor, i think its a small price to pay than redesigning the entire thing, then having to test the new flaps once again

>>16219609
It's like that orgy scene in Dune

>>16219565
The tower and OLM are extremely overbuilt. The booster is an empty soda can by comparison, it would fold like tin foil on the tower. Minimal damage

>>16219636
Clearly we didn't watch the same dune movie.

>>16219620
hey you and I posted the same thing lol

>>16219638
I'm more worried about fire from leftover propellant

>>16219620
You're right, but it would look worse than it really is. The actual danger is if it lands of the farm or some other equipment that will take time to replace.

>>16219642
They run the deluge while it is coming down. It's a solved problem.

>>16219620
The clamps can, sure. But I would be concerned about the booster falling on the ring itself. They've been working on that thing nonstop for the past, what, 3 years?

>>16219648
Continuous improvements/upgrades over time. Not a single one time design that took 3 years.

>>16219614
August or September is likely, depending on the modifications they needs to make

Let's be honest, that booster landing could have been a bit more "precise". There's no margin for error with the catch arms

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xe4ee56aHSg

>>16219620
???

>>16219656
How could you tell how precise it was. It's really hard to tell how high it is from that camera's perspective

Has Jeff reached orbit yet?

>>16219662
Jeff has not even tried yet.

>>16219659
The booster still oscillates upon landing, cant afford to do that and expect the arms to catch you

>>16219335
Again - to anon's point - even if the second stage reusability never works, we've now got the most lift capability since Saturn V functional. Forget about launching comm satellites, we're gonna be launching stations in a decade and servicing crews.

I can think of at least a dozen companies that would jump at the opportunity to try and be the first company to maintain its own orbital research platform.

>>16219658
A huge difference in energy between 33 engine flowing downward with dense explosive energy vs near empty tank crashing and exploding. Also before the intense upgrades to the entire structure

>>16219664
I have devised an alternative way of catching the booster that's way more robust

>>16219619
very good article that i wish /sfg/ would read. going by their numbers, a drone ship f9 launch is around $1600/kg now. by comparison, the infamous 1971 mathematica paper on shuttle economics dazzled congress with cost estimates that come out to $2700/kg today, adjusting for inflation.

>>16219656
The 3 engines made the booster float on the water for few seconds. Thats enough margin for catchin

Has the 4'11" malding manlet with f250 driver energy made a comment about starship yet?

>>16219672
Are you talking aboit the guy who always wears a baseball cap

>>16219665
Starship V1: 40-50 tons to orbit with reuse
>Minus Headers: +30 tons
>Minus Flaps and Tiles: +10 tons
>No booster Recovery: X1.5
The IFT-4/Block 1 stack could probably put 120 tons into orbit pessimistically, and 130 tons when fully expended. And it launches once every 3 months right now. Crazy

https://x.com/TheInsiderPaper/status/1799033540425966075

Another Boeing engine mishap on take off

congratulations to spacex on landing both parts of their fully-reusable suborbital rocket. welcome to the club!

>>16218965
>GREAT DAY FOR SPACEX
>Oh... uh, and Boeing is here too, I guess.

>>16219676
Seems like an engine manufacturer or maintenance issue rather than a Boeing problem

>>16219670
Reminder that NASA blacklisted the brilliant Thomas Gold for challenging shuttle cost estimates
>In the 1970s and 1980s, Gold was a vocal critic of NASA's Space Shuttle program, deriding claims that the agency could fly 50 missions a year or that it could have low budget costs. NASA officials warned Gold that if he testified his concerns before Congress, his research proposals would lose their support from NASA. Gold ignored the warning and testified before a Congressional committee headed by Senator Walter Mondale. In a letter to NASA administrator James C. Fletcher, George Low wrote that "Gold should realize that being funded by the Government and NASA is a privilege, and that it would make little sense for us to fund him as long as his views are what they are now".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Gold

>>16218842
>>16218728
>>16218734
>don't fucking talk about fight club you fucking retard
I knew there was something behind these videos...
spill the beans, faggots

In light of the flap, imagine what Columbia would have looked like. God I wish someone has the balls to make a photorealistic CGI render of the wing disintigrating.

>>16219675
Christ, that's basically a third-of-an-ISS in one go.

>It's done for! (about the booster that made a perfect landing 1 minute later)

>>16219692
https://www.youtube.com/live/Rn2EzfllTwA?t=3308s

>>16219688
Bad way to go.

>>16219670
Interesting that Starlink profitability is so dependent on launch costs. I mean, obviously, but if simply adding $10 millions to a Falcon 9 launch cost dooms the whole thing, I can't see how Kuiper will work

>>16219693
He is a closeted SpaceX enjoyer

>>16219689
V2 can do 100 tons to LEO, so that number increases to 210 tons per launch fully expended, 140 with Superheavy reuse

>>16219688
the accident report is fascinating. they were basically blended into chunky soup inside their suits from the shaking. it says they passed out before that but i doubt it. that moment it started to roll beyond the point of no return had to have been surreal.
https://www.nasa.gov/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/298870main_sp-2008-565.pdf?emrc=afe233

>>16219662
Because space... is HARD.

>>16219676
I hate Boing, but they don't make the engines and don't do the maintenance on the ground.

>>16219682
This particular problem was probably maintenance and not a Boeing problem. However I don't see how you can say that in general Boeing can absolve themselves of fuckups done by their suppliers. Boeing is the one who decides which suppliers to pick and which not to pick. They decide which engine options they want to offer to customers. If Boeing outsourced 100% of design and manufacturing, would that mean Boeing would have 0% of the blame if the plane crashes due to manufacturing or design flaws even though they are the ones who decided who the jobs were outsourced to?

>>16219688
rough

>>16219512
>Ariane 6 launches the 9th july
I'll actually be in french guyana from the 12th so if it could get delayed by a few days by weather or something that would be great

>>16219693
the 'it has no fuel left to land' cope he and css push is such a self report of novice levels of understanding. Weird how they have been pushing that cope for a year and then get humiliated watching both booster and ship land with the fuel they had.

no one is discussing solutions to the flap problem, its all about boing and bezos, where the fuck did the engineers of sci go to?

have they found the starship remains in the oceans yet?

>>16219703
>V2 can do 100 tons to LEO
Nein, eine Tonne Erde zu Erde

>>16219717
it's not a flap problem, it's a hinge problem. they're moving the hinges out of the airstream on v2. simple as.

>>16219717
The obvious solution is expendable flaps

>>16219718
RGV seems to have found the booster, and someone else claims that there was footage of Starship.

>>16219695
The brainrot is so real that merely existing as an alternative is enough to get companies and other people to pay any amount of money for said alternative

Starlink is deemed too irrational, ambitious and unproven. It's how viasat is saying in business, they are the "adults" essentially saying to companies do you want your internet delivered by an overcomplex constellation developed by 25 year olds and a meme lord or do you want the company ran by 60 year old farts with a "proven" system (no matter how slow or expensive it is in comparison)

It's how it's going with out constellations, it's made by companies deemed more rational, no matter if their system is slower or even less reliable

>>16219448
Someone needs to put it to this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgrnEVnZ4xU

>>16219706
>it says they passed out before that but i doubt it
No, that's just one of those white lies of comfort investigators tell families.
>He died on impact
>He died instantly
>He wouldn't have felt any pain
>etc.
Because nobody wants to hear that their spouse/child/parent/sibling/friend/etc. spent their last moments in horrible, painful agony, calling out for them in utterly hopeless terror and despair.

>>16219717
armchair engineer here. Basically the solution is to hide the hinge behind the cylider so it's not in the plasma. This has a high mass penalty.

>>16219706
>they were basically blended into chunky soup inside their suits from the shaking
werent they constantly reboosting the flight computers up to the moment it disintegrated?

>>16219718
no, but they found something else...

>>16219692
this guy is the best troll ever if he makes people seethe this much.

>>16219719
These guys designed Saturn V

>>16219720
so will they fly any more v1 ships?

>>16219731

>>16219688
I wonder if it would be possible to make two crafts reenter at the same time and almost the same place so one could observe the other to get in-site data on reentry (+unbelievable video)

>>16219717
moar heatshield

>>16219730

>>16219730
pretending to be retarded or actually being retarded is not trolling. it's making a mockery of yourself and then calling the mockery "s-seethe" out of insecurity.

>>16219695
Kuiper will have access to better launch vehicles in the future (e.g. NG). Amazon can afford to lose money for an interim period if that's what's necessary to launch sooner and to secure spectrum rights. Besides, Amazon probably wants Kuiper for synergy reasons, to make their data service offerings more complete, not just to make money by itself.

Let's say starliner works flawlessly from here on out.
I know, I know, but humor me.
Will it ever fly private missions? Crew dragon has done 4 already and has several more scheduled. or will it only do the contractually required NASA missions and immediately retire?

>>16219706
>they were basically blended into chunky soup inside their suits
that's total bullshit too.
the suits neck ring might or might not have broken their necks.
that's all.
muh vibration is a total cope. humans survive eject airplane at supersonic velocity and riding rocket sleds and crashing f1 cars with 200g impact

>>16219743
Starliner seats cost almost twice as much as dragon, I don't see why anyone would fly on it over dragon especially considering it's constant problems.

>>16219733
This is the most damning question of all

>>16219743
the fact that they saved old atlas Vs for it (just enough to fill out the cc contract) instead of going through the trouble of qualifying it for vulcan should tell you all you need to know

>>16219743
Commercial LEO destinations maybe. But I don't see space tourists or thrillseekers buying Starliner seats just to go into space; Dragon is literally the cheaper option.

>>16219727
According to Elon it saves mass lol

>>16219743
it literally doesn't have the launch systems to spare
they only have atlas V's reserved for their contract missions, and as we all know they're not building any more of those.
so if they want this thing to get slaughtered in the commercial market, they're going to have to go through the whole certification process again for vulcan.
or create the most glansy rocket ever and fly it on falcon.

>>16219747
Any chance boeing is gonna bow out of spaceflight altogether once starliners contract is up?

>>16219743
What will it fly on after Atlas V's immediate retirement? Will they really wait around for years before it can fly on Vulcan/New Glenn? Or will they go to the always available F9?

>>16219749
I don't understand orbital queefs rationale for using dreamchaser or starliner. there is no commercial space station at present because the ride to and from it is too expensive. how do they expect to make one commercially viable with ride at the present oldspace ticket price?

>>16219670
>$1600/kg
And yet SpaceX charges $6000/kg for rideshares. This is why competition is necessary.

>>16219753

>>16219743
no, too expensive

>>16219720
so they will be internal hinges?

>>16219759
Plans can change.
Boeings space division has been hemorrhaging cash for the past few years. Before this it never had an unprofitable year.

I KNEEL.

>>16219727
can someone sketch this because i am having a hard time imagining how it would move

yesterday was a dream. imagine not being interested in starship development.

>>16219756
BO will probably eventually build a crew vehicle in-house. It can be cheaper per person if it is big enough to make full use of NG's capablities and thus benefit from scale. And also launch frequently. However it makes sense they don't want their entire space station project to depend on just their own capsule project, because that introduces more risk of costly delays.

Has RGV posted booster pics yet?

>>16219282
FURAPPU IKITERU
FURAPPU IKITERU

>>16219776
He didn't fly over the ocean you can see it on the track.
It's 65 km out probably didn't want to risk it with a shitty cessna.

>>16219774
BO has been working on a reusable upper stage for New Glenn, i imagine it will be like starship but more risk averse as in it will have a traditional capsule ontop of the starship style propulsion module, which can jettison in an abort scenario. it will have too much dry mass for operation beyond leo but will be a safer leo truck than starship

>>16219670
>$1600/kg
$28m per launch works out to ~$2400/kg to 500km SSO. And yet SpaceX charges $6000/kg for SSO rideshares. This is why competition is necessary.

>>16219392
China's going to have an interesting domestic launch market in 2025. Between this and the Zhuque-3 they'll have two Falcon 9 clones trying to undercut each other on price. We never got that here in the west because the closest anyone's come to trying to really complete with Falcon is something like Vulcan.

>>16219784
Any news on that? It feels like jarvis has been completely silent lately.

So if a /sfg/ott was inside starship’s payload bay with a spacesuit, they would’ve survived?

>>16219771
i can't find that anyone's made a good render of it so the best i can think of are concordski canards, if you imagine it bellyflopping

>>16219786
they earned that profit margin. but yeah, I agree it would be better if someone gave them a run for it.

>>16219791
Yes but the payload bay probably crumpled when tipping over.

>>16219393
I KNEEL

>>16219791
if it was me yeah

>>16219793
putting them that deep inside leaves a huge vertical hole exposed and the plasma will just be waiting to wreck that?

>>16219744
Page 263
Conclusion L2-3. Lethal injuries resulted from inadequate upper body restraint and protection
during rotational motion

imagine riding a roller coaster with a fish bowl on your head

>>16219793
That's some derpy ass lookin' shit.

>>16219786
Rideshares are more complex missions more constrained by volume than mass

Mass to cost ratios are only relevant for actual high mass missions of single sats or constellation sats, where the actual limitation is mass to orbit rather than if it fits in the faring

If your mass is under what an RTLS mission costs, you're going to pay a high $ to kg ratio because that mission is going to be fixed cost

>>16219393
I kneel. All glory to The Flap!

>the hotstage ring floating by like stack separator in KSP

>>16219789
as with everything BO it's all computer generated with one or two panels laying about in a factory as the only real hardware. Allegedly Bezo is copying Musk and making it out of stainless steel now. Which may slightly complicate mating with New Glenn since they are made out of different metals with different expansion ratios. From the little hardware that exists its safe to say Jarvis will be a starship scaled to Zubrins liking.

>>16219796
>>16219799
What about if you were chilling in the engine bay?

>>16219800
you mean like this?

>>16219730
>troll
Nah he makes a living by being the go to Musk hater
Jealousy, hate and resentment can be turned a profit. Dude knows the game.

>>16219807
That news is like 2 years old. Has seriously nothing notable happened in 2 years?

>>16219809
then the heatshielded rvac nozzles will protect you

>>16219806
since it was so small i thought it was a part from the lower end of the booster

>>16218960
*paizuri

>>16219813
it's BO so no lol

all these big space stations planned need crew escape options

>>16219813
i'm pretty sure they gave up on it after the one test article

>>16219810

>>16219679
Sad that they're only just starting to catch up...

>>16219824
stright outta KSP

>>16219804
What do they charge for unitary payloads? I compared with the SSO rideshare cost because they publish that number on their website.

500km SSO figure from NASA's performance website is 11.7t, already cut about 1/3 compared to the commonly cited ideal 17.5t to 28.5° low LEO. If volume is still the constraint on rideshare launches, then why not use fairings that are stretched or otherwise enlarged?

>>16219794
If companies were allowed to just "earn" extra profit margins from pushing technological boundaries, then society wouldn't benefit much from technological progress.

>>16219826
fuck you for making me try to draw something

>>16219838
won't the plasma eat away at the edge where the flap meets the groove?

>>16219788
>they'll have two Falcon 9 clones
There'll probably be a bunch of others as well e.g. Hyperbola-3, Gravity-2 and Kuaizhou-6, and also lighter launchers like Pallas-1 and Nebula-1

>>16219823
>>16219825
There actually is some news, renamed it to clipper and they have a test stand for it at LC-36.
https://youtu.be/7rQwN7bCIBM
Probably it's just on the back burner while they rush to get new glenn up and running for their mars mission in september.

https://x.com/YellowstoneTen/status/1799088123835773368

>>16219688
This happens every time I try reentering with a spaceplane in KSP, any slight adjustment to the angle of attack just sends me into an uncontrolled spin. I hate spaceplanes.

>>16219838

>>16219717
Fuck the flap problem. The entire tile heat shield goes against the system's design goals and needs to be replaced by ~something~ else.
Don't ask me what that something's supposed to be though. Apparently thousands of fragile tiles being loosely attached one by one by hand is the peak of human technology in that field.

>>16219849
woah, how'd I fuck that up?

>>16219726
It's the old "passed away peacefully" bullshit we tell one another to try and make dying less scary.

>>16219848
you need better yaw control

>>16219852
You need to invent a spray on coating that's extremely thermally insulative.
There's not a physics reason why it can't exist just need to adhere it to the steel chemically

>>16219830
>then why not use fairings that are stretched or otherwise enlarged?
Just hasn't been worth it when the current fairing serves 95% of customers

They have an extended faring for some national security contracts being worked on but with falcon 9 being a heritage rocket it's going to take time

https://x.com/SciGuySpace/status/1799084208448836074

https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/06/on-the-space-station-band-aid-fixes-for-systemic-problems/

https://x.com/esherifftv/status/1799099648608788790

>>16219852
i remember elon started with the idea of a sweating skin for starship but it never amounted to much, they were going to cool the internal skin with some cryogenic but seems too complicated when you can just stick some tiles on the outside

>>16219873
it wasnt due to being complicated, it weighed more than the tile system according to their calculations

>>16219871
hooker in space.

>>16219882
The solar system's oldest profession

>>16219873
The first thing they said was "we're gonna polish the steel and it'll reflect some of the heat radiation and it'll be otherwise fine because it's steel".
I really don't know why the fuck they said that.
But yes, after that they talked about methane sweating or internal cooling. Then they completely gave up and decided to go with Shuttle 2.0 as what they must've thought was an easy interim solution. Except it's not easy and actually a pain in the ass.

>>16219869
>However, there appears to be rising concern in the ISS program at NASA's Johnson Space Center in Houston. The space agency often uses a 5x5 "risk matrix" to classify the likelihood and consequence of risks to spaceflight activities, and the Russian leaks are now classified as a "5" both in terms of high likelihood and high consequence. Their potential for "catastrophic failure" is discussed in meetings.
oop

https://x.com/esherifftv/status/1799101674138579381

What we need is something flexible and durable enough to withstand reentry. We need a reentry-proof heat blanket you can just wrap around shit.
There MUST be a material with a high enough heat tolerance and dissipative properties that ISN'T fragile terracotta bullshit, we just haven't made it yet.

while we're doing wishlists for not-theoretically-impossible materials i still want lk99 that actually works

>>16219865
Starlite

>>16219489
>I'm flap, and that's good.
>I will always ablate, but that's not bad.
>There's no one I'd rather be, than me.

>>16219824
Yeah, the return capsules moron.

>>16219843
Plasma won't envelop the rocket. Flappy's problem was that there's the tiniest of gaps right in the middle of the plasma stream.

>>16219896
>ship was 6km off geographically but was able to maintain control
>I was surprised the flap lasted so long

>I don't think it will be very difficult to survive on Mars

>>16219547
Gotta pay your bribes in the US or they smack your nuts

>>16219899
Just bypass this entire issue with fancy ufo propulsion tech. If those things really can go from 80000 feet to sea level in a second then clearly reentry heating is not an issue for them at all. No need for heat shields if you can prevent the air around your craft from compressing using warp bubbles or whatever.

>>16219869
Of course the russian shit is breaking down. The only surprise is how long is has held to western standards.

>>16219738
>>16219739
seethe some more, retards

>>16219811
well, he's making money. that's all that matters in this shitty society.