/sci/ - Science & Math

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>>16217408
Bro Dinos are a hoax. For one. The bones are just creatively assembled using the imagination of the archeologists. Second they aquire very little bone compared to the recreation. It’s likely they are mistaken for something else. However not gonna fully say it’s done on purpose just maybe just misinterpreting the findings

>>16217408
X (formerly Twitter) is the place where people think real things are imaginary and imaginary things are real

>>16217450
Some dinosaur specimens have been found in almost perfect condition (e.g. 'Sue' the T-Rex was 90% complete)

>>16217408
Really? I've seen that belief from time to time from young Earth creationists over the years but I haven't noticed an uptick in people who think that way. Maybe I simply see different groups of people than you do but shit like Flat Earth seems to be getting much more attention than dinosaur denialism.

>>16217584
>but shit like Flat Earth seems to be getting much more attention than dinosaur denialism.
There is a lot of overlap between the two.

>>16217450
>The bones are just creatively assembled using the imagination of the archeologists.
This is a misunderstanding. Most specimens are partial fossils, it is true, but enough overlapping specimens are typically found that when paleontoligists find say, a femur, they usually have enough femurs associated with more complete specimens to have a high degree of certainty over which "species" it came from. But there are MILLIONS of teeth and footprint and stool and bone fragment fossils sitting uncategorised and anonymous, discovered with such little other material that no clues were yielded.
I DO suspect that thousands of species of dinosaur have essentially identical skeletons - imagine all the "species" of wolf today that have such similar skeletons and such high levels of intraspecies variation in morphology that we must take the context of the remains into account.
The history of palaeontology is full of mistakes and forgeries. The mistakes are inherent in the field, and are only brought to light by further pursuit of understanding.

>>16217592
Not in my experience. Young Earth Creationists are mostly white evangelicals who live in suburbs or rural areas. Flat Earthers are "I am very smart" low IQ sleepwalkers who are lost. They're often non-white, though there are a few whites in that camp too. At least the true believers are that way. Probably at least half of Flat Earthers are trolls while Young Earth Creationists are almost always sincere in their beliefs.
Maybe 500 years ago the two would have had a lot of overlap but today they're different groups for the most part.

>>16217436
>>/sci/image/3Kg7CaCcCrPcirfgwRKCpw

>>16217408
>Is it just me, or has the "dinosaurs are a hoax" thing gained more traction in recent years?
Everything outrageous has gained a lot of traction in social media (and traditional media too) because it's generates a lot of engagement and therefore is profitable for SM companies. Its just ragebait. People think its just the other (political) side being complete lunatics (Think leftists having public tantrums or right wingers being retards) but it's rather universal now.
Come to think of it, (you) are just another glowie posting this shit here to incite the very same thing, that's why there is a non-ending stream of twitter screenshots in every 4chan board now.

Dinos doesnt real

>>16217900
kek, reminds me that the house cat skulls looked like some alien shit when I first saw them.

>>16217900
If you closed the jaws of the skull, you would immediately see it's a hippo

>>16217632
When we find isolated plated or tooth or skull or anything fossils for a specimen related to this one again, we have a good idea of what they all are and how they might fit together.

>>16217917
Im sorry to tell you this, but marvel isnt real, politics is wrestling (fake) , and dinosaurs were actually hyperintelligent beings from a distant planet that were destroyed due to an intergalactic war with the grey humanoids. They still have some descendants amungus, they're known as reptilians but actually reptilians are a different race from another dimension.

Source: just trust me

>>16217900
Why would you draw analogy from a whole separate Class?
Look at crocs

dog skulls look like some nightmarish shit bro.

>>16217408
Schizos with delusions of grandeur tend to latch on whatever the biggest denial of reality is because it convinces them that they alone know some great truth that the rest of the sheeple have been fooled into ignoring.

Space is fake.
Earth is flat.
Germs aren’t real.
Dinosaurs aren’t real.
Gravity isn’t real.
Etc. etc. etc.

how would aliens reconstruct the deer if all they ever found is its skull

damn, rhino skulls look dracon as fuck. no wonder ancient people believe dragon existed. imagine finding this in some random mountain.

>>16217900
Fat distribution in birds/lizards vs mammals.

holy shit snake skulls actually look so digusting.

>>16217974
why do longer skulls help with bite force? its always seemed weird to me how long and thin alligator heads are, wouldn't a short, compact head/jaw with more vertical function offer higher bite force?

>>16217980
>Schizos with delusions of grandeur tend to latch on whatever the biggest denial of reality is

>>16218034
long jaws don't help with bite force, they allow for larger prey. Especially in the case of heterodonts like the dog, you get curved forward teeth meant to trap and hold things, and the rear teeth are meant for cutting tendons and tough skin, where the jaw muscles have better leverage.

>>16218109
All races are not equal, evolution is true. What else you got?

>>16217860
Jesus

>>16217911
Sure

>>16218109
Except both of those are true. All races are equal within the parameters of evolution. The point of evolution is adapt and reproduce. All races capble of this otherwise they would have disappeared ages ago.

The main issue is that turbo autists are hellbent on comparing imaginary scores on some piece of paper to make themselves feel good. But while those autists are bragging about how their scores are higher than everyone else, their societies are collapsing because they're not having any kids. Then they start bitching about the brown hoards because unlike the turbo autists the brown hoards kept their eye on the ball and remembered evolution is about adaptation and reproduction.

>>16217860
Grim

>>16218741
dog landraces still exist and they're not as you describe the ones from 300 years ago. Bred dogs would have been but they'd still have had diarrhea if you changed their foods

>>16217900
The shrink wrapping phenomenon has largely gone away in modern depictions of dinosaurs.

>>16217450

The fundamentalist christian flat earther evolution denalist twitter microcosm has definitely been growing, at least since musk took over. They probably were in the literal who right wing echocamber Twitter alternative sites

>>16217980
>Space is fake.
>Earth is flat.
>Germs aren’t real.
>Dinosaurs aren’t real.
>Gravity isn’t real.
And nukes, the holocaust or even ww2 altogether

>>16218863
Don't forget:
>Moon is artificial / alien base
>North Korea doesn't exist either. It's just entirely made up.

>>16218882
>this but unironically

>>16218909

>>16217408
>create spook bullshit groups of science deniers
>call them conspiracy theorists
>people think conspiracy theorists are crazy
>somebody mentions total online surveillance PRISM
>spooks character assasinate them by calling them conspiracy nutjobs
>normies still think that mkultra, prism etc. is lunacy nonsense
>normies stay bluepilled about fucked up world
so all these groups are psyops made of trolls and spooks pretending to be even more retarded, just so you can label people as conspiracy theorists

>>16218913
I fucking LOVE that the Moonfall movie took this book and ran with it.

>>16217408
It's a mixture of things.
1. Actual ideological fanatics (creationists, etc.)
2. People who went off the deep end (i.e. "because they lied about COVID/Iraq, everything must be a lie!"
3. Attention-seeking grifters

>>16218921
I have always said that the people who push this nonsense (flat earth, dinosaurs are a hoax, moon landing was a hoax, etc.) end up screwing over the people actually trying to raise awareness about serious issues like mass surveillance and censorship.

>>16218921
Pretty much yeah.
Notice how every time there is a discussion about the government doing shady shit or war crimes a bunch of flat earthers suddenly start flooding in all at once at some point? Funny thing, innit.

>>16217408
>recent years

Dinosaurs have always been a grift. The bone wars alone, a literal grift, would make any man of Logic dismiss the whole the whole idea. Never mind the fact that all objects on display in museums are made of plaster, Chinese fabrication of "fossils", etc. It is a disgrace. Dinosaurs only "became real" through the entertainment industry.

>>16218034
They don’t. Crocodile jaw muscles are all located at the back of the skull, which is why even the super thin-snouted species have shockingly high bite forces. For mammals high bite forces are usually associated with big sagittal crest sand wide arches. The length of the skull is less important

>>16217436
>>16217860
>/an/ paleoschizo image
Yeah sounds about right

>>16217450
during the 1800s museums would have exhibitions where they put together fake dinoasaur skeletons with a bunch of different bones. it was big money and a lot of early paleotologists were just grifters lol

>>16219182
>The bone wars alone, a literal grift, would make any man of Logic dismiss the whole the whole idea
The Bone Wars doesn't negate the massive amount of paleontological evidence that has been accumulated before and after it happened.
>all objects on display in museums are made of plaster
Not everything on display is a reproduction, sometimes they do have actual fossils on display. Do you know why they use replicas? Because fossils are fragile and irreplaceable, and museums don't want to risk them getting damaged or dirtied.
>Chinese fabrication of "fossils"
Does the existence of fabricated diamonds mean that all diamonds are fake?
>Dinosaurs only "became real" through the entertainment industry.
Fossils are found by people all the time who are not involved in paleontology.

>>16219250

Ignoring the appalling form of this reply and just addressing the first part of the first statement, no, there was no "paleontological evidence" before the bone wars since there was no "paleontology" before the bone wars. Things like (supposed) petrified snail shells and whatnot were not necessarily considered remnants of past life forms, let alone considered chronologically relevant.

That birds aren't real shit is just a joke. There's no way the government would spy on us like that.

>>16217900
>Dinos doesnt real
Artistic renditions are hypothetical, anon. Are you dumb?

>>16217408
that's the problem with science denialists, they don't enquire or ask questions regarding the details they do not understand. They just accuse and insult.
It's a trauma thing, someone hurt them when younger, and this is how the trauma manifests.

>>16217408
controlled opposition.

>>16219343
>science is a category of knowledge you have to accept as a whole or reject entirely
you have a terminal case of collegebrain I'm afraid

this is what happens when you can learn definitions and and memorize facts but have no critical thinking ability yourself so your entire perspective ends up being a broad appeal to authority. getting really tired of dealing with collegebrain retards on my 4chans. this isn't reddit, faggot.

>>16219312
So what exactly are all of the fossil remains that are found all over the World?

>>16219387

Fabrications.

>>16219391
Really, every single fossil specimen is fake? What about all of the fossils that are found by random people that have no affiliation with museums?

>>16219395

It stands to reason that those stories are likewise fabricated.

>>16219400
What reason would random people have for making up those discoveries? Why make up dinosaurs in the first place?

>>16219409

They are not fabricated by random people, they are fabricated by grifters, i.e. the entertainment industry, which includes journalism. Why? None of my concern. Ask THEM.

>>16219417
So you're saying that people secretly make fake fossils and then bury them in random places for random people to find?

>>16219424

No, the whole story of them being found is likewise fabricated.

Schizo congregation thread

>>16219427
So every single person who has ever found a fossil is on the conspiracy?

>>16219431

Yes.

>>16219432
This is an ammonite that I found with my family in the middle of nowhere when I was a kid, and we have lots more.

>>16219445

Your point being...?

>>16219449
You claimed that all fossils are fake, and yet I have found lots of very real ones.

>>16219451

And...? Fabrications are implicitly purported as real.

>>16219459
So you think that 'big paleo' just dumped a bunch of fake ammonite fossils somewhere in the hope that somebody would come across them eventually? That's retarded.

>>16219462

No, that is not what I claim, see: >>16219427.

>>16219464
I'm not lying about anything; I found those fossils on a hillside in some random spot, and I have never tried to make any money or gain any fame from them.

Again, why exactly do you think that prehistoric creatures are made up?

>>16219466

You're not lying? Big if true!

>>16217408
A mixture of disinformation agents and genuine schizos.

>>16219469
What about ice age creatures like mammoths and wooly rhinos. Are those fake, too?

>>16219531

Most likely.

>>16217408
How can anyone deny evolution when literal cro magnon NIGGERS like the one in OP live amongst us?

>>16217517
Or at least that's what they said.

>>16219660
Well that's fucking stupid. They have literally found frozen mammoths, and they have even found fragments of DNA.

>>16219910
Charging up now. Good. We will be informing you soon.

>>16219660
How old do you think the Earth is?

>>16219910

"Frozen animals", just as "fossils", are a Historical non-event. "Fossils" appeared in the late 18th century, "frozen animals" probably even more recently than that. A sham.

>>16219949

I do not think that the Earth has an age, ultimately because there is no such thing as "the Earth".

>>16219356
critical thinking ability is to question things, not deny them because you feel that way

>>16219910
are you really truing to argue with that retard

>>16220161
Not really, just bored and thought that I would see if they were arguing good faith. Obviously they're not.

>>16219356
you know, if you have "dinosaur questions" there's thread for you

>>16220188
>I would see if they were arguing good faith
rookie mistake (I still keep making it.)

Bump

>>16217408
Extreme contrarianism

>>16219012
>>16221282
This

>>16220776
x2

>>16220161
>>16220188
>>16220372

Note how there has not even been an attempt at defending the "frozen animal" phenomenon since it is totally absurd.

>>16221538
x3

>>16217408
>Is it just me, or has the "dinosaurs are a hoax" thing gained more traction in recent years
because of the internet and grifters it has now become BASED to be as retarded as possible. trump also contributed to this. people are no longer ashamed to be dumb and wrong...

>>16217408
please direct them to the Paleontology thread. we'll handle them there

>>16219910
>Well that's fucking stupid. They have literally found frozen mammoths, and they have even found fragments of DNA.


>>16220142
>"Frozen animals", just as "fossils", are a Historical non-event. "Fossils" appeared in the late 18th century, "frozen animals" probably even more recently than that. A sham.
I always thought that this is wrong. But at the current state of the media world i admit that this is only a believe. So i did a quick picture search for the frozen mammoths for evidence. Behind an overwhelming bunch of graphics and museum pics there was only a few in the mud which looked fake. It must be easy to have pics of them. So please if anyone have give me a link.

>>16221808
Search for "mummified mammoth" or "frozen ice age animals." You'll get lots of pictures.

>>16221842

That settles it then!

>>16218863
also
>quantum ain't real
>relativity ain't real
>reals ain't real

>>16217408
It's just creationist retards angry that adam and eve aren't real

>>16222669
Bounty, now

I don't care about you people. You gave me, specifically, a careful blowjob. Yes. I'm hunting you for a bounty. You'll then do 100,000 years.

>>16219395
Look up the Bone Wars. They claim that most fossils were found by two guys competing with one another. It was so competitive that there is a high chance of a lot of fraud taking place. Read about it but read between the lines too.

>>16221538
x3

>>16223695
x4

Every theory implying gorillion-year timescales is a scientifist fable.
Dinosaurs were probably the lab creations of the wicked who were drowned in the deluge.

>>16224319
hey, why don't you come meet me here:
>>16220066

>>16224277
x5

>>16217408
Some of it is genuine idealogues (young Earth creationists, etc.), and a lot of it is people who have gone down the ultra contrarian route (i.e. "they must be lying about absolutely everything!")

>>16224441
x6

>>16217408
>YECs
>Conspiracy theorists
>Attention whores (like in OP)

>>16217517
>90% complete
90% in compared to what

>>16226095
x7

>>16224822
Dinosaurs violate square cube law
https://www.dinosaurtheory.com/big_dinosaur.html

>>16226475
As in 90% of the skeleton was found.
>Compared to what
Compared to previous specimens that were found. Often times they may only find skull fragments, some neck vertebrae and some ribs. Sue was found remarkably well preserved. It would be like finding a human skeleton with only a few fingers and toes missing.

>>16218835
science is not about making children and autistic manchildren go "waaooow so cool!"

>>16217514
"X" stands for rejecting common sense.

>>16226476
x8

>>16221842
>frozen ice age animals
As expected, but nice joke.

>>16227554
Sorry anon, but young Earth creationism is wrong.

>sees entirely preserved frozen mammoth
>Nah that's too crazy that just spawned in like 2 weeks ago
Well I suppose things have to get a lot worse before they get better

>>16227623
Flatearth argument, muhh X is wrong but Y wronger so I stay with X.

>>16227883
They have found animals in permafrost. Deal with it.

>>16217450
>archeologists
no
>>16220066

>>16217450
Complete BS. Almost entire skeletons have been found on multiple occasions, including some that have skin and/or feather impressions.

Bump

>>16226501
I love how the author handwaves away the possibility of dinosaurs having the same circulatory respiratory system of birds, complete with numerous air sacs and pneumatic bones, which would mean dinosaurs would be much lighter than non-avian vertebrates, by saying "theropods evolved after birds so that means dinosaurs had the same kind of lungs as mammals"
Too bad for that author we have direct evidence from fossils that dinosaurs had pneumatic (air-cavity) bones, of varying degrees of complexity and porousness.
https://www.sci.news/paleontology/sauropod-air-sac-system-12027.html

>>16228298
x2

>>16229354
x3

>>16229730
x4

>>16228336
>of varying degrees of complexity and porousness.

Plaster is pretty porous, I suppose.

>>16229985
x5

>>16230311
x6

>>16230126
Creationism is false.

>>16217408
More than just your body deteriorates as you get older. The older you get, the more mentally retarded you become too. Couple that with abnormally high proportions of old people in the world. It's like Idiocracy-Lite in 2024.