/sci/ - Science & Math

>>16209288
>>16209278
Summer break newfag children trying to fit in as always so disgusting.

>>16209294
if you don't understand why that tank shape is retarded I can't help you

We should recycle this thread first
>>16178834

>>16209301
You should recycle yourself.

>>16209301
kill yourself

>>16209302
>>16209303
relax, we always recycle threads

no stay on this thread

>>16209311
Obviously.

>>16209290
Long Live China

>>16209290
Is it true that we need to cancel space flight because white people control the rockets that are sent to space?

now that dyson spheres have been discovered around stars, what are the implications for us?

>>16209324
Peer reviewed source with non-suggestive proof?

>>16209330
https://academic.oup.com/mnras/article/531/1/695/7665761

>>16209324
>stars
any advanced civ worth it's cents would put their dyson sphere around a black hole

>>16209334
they probably make micro blackholes and live inside them. honey i shrunk the civilization

>>16209290
>Chang'e

Based Changs

>>16209290

>>16209324
it means planetfags have been btfo and we accept the prophet O'Neill pbuh

Will deathliner launch tomorrow?

>>16209290
i'm going to start the first ever musical band in space. i'm going to call it buran buran.

>>16209290
Looks fake.

>>16209508
kubrick didn't die, he was kidnapped by the chinks

>>16209334
Well I guess those aliens aren't as smart as you are.

>>16209333
Not so fast, dysoncucks
https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.3847/2515-5172/ad5017/meta

>>16209561
>3 out of 7 might be misidentified
>DEBOOOOOOONK'D

It's "SIR"
>https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/kings-birthday-honours-peter-beck-theresa-gattung-and-joan-withers-receive-top-gongs/JWP4GUKSOVBRJL7YJTYZ4XXNCI/

>>16209561
>Hot DOGs
fucking astroonomers

>>16209567
Do you think the King's sausage fingers are squashy?

>>16209320
no

>>16209338
an excellent choice

spehs

Not sure if people saw this.

Congressional “help” has killed off the START team on the Habitable Worlds Observatory (formerly LUVOIR/HabEx studies). Congressional meddlers doing their best to fuck up a program which has barely begun.

https://spacenews.com/congressional-language-alters-plans-for-nasas-habitable-worlds-observatory/

>NASA established last year two committees to support the early development of the Habitable Worlds Observatory, a large space telescope recommended by the Astro2020 decadal survey and projected to launch no earlier than the early 2040s.

>One, the Technical Assessment Group (TAG), includes NASA personnel working on designs and key technologies for the spacecraft. The other, the Science, Technology, Architecture Review Team (START), includes primarily representatives from academia and industry to develop science objectives and instrument requirements for the mission.

>NASA created START with language requiring it to be disbanded when the project office is established, a provision intended [to reduce conflicts of interest] for future calls for industry contributions and science teams.

>“After consulting with the Headquarters legal team, we’ve come to the conclusion that we have to disband the START right now,” he said. “We’re required to do this because of all the legal concerns about conflicts going forward.”

>>16209644
Reach Hell-Point
????
Profit

>>16209645
You know what to do.

I want that, that and that.

>>16209644
>The early creation of the project office won’t affect the overall plan for the observatory, including an initial focus on maturing the technology needed for it before formally starting its development. “Don’t think that this is a major change in approach or strategy. It’s not,” Clampin said.
Nothing burger

what happens to the starlink 2nd stage? is it in orbit forever?

>>16209667
If it was a LEO mission they de-orbit it into the Indian ocean, if it's in a higher orbit it's left there

>>16209667
you mean the second stage that is used to deploy starlink satellites? probably decays in a number of months and falls back into earth like every other second stage deploying stuff only into LEO

>>16209670
no, they actively deorbit them

>>16209673
My my

>>16209669
i thought there are rules around leaving spent stages in random orbits?

>>16209679
the orbits are not random

>>16209681
your dad was pretty random last night...

>>16209688
Fatty

This thread needs to die. It gey. Space is an NPC getto. There's no reason to go to Mars. It dust.

Superfag General posters kys now, nobody cares about your annual fireworks. Faggits

>>16209324
We must prepare for war. Build the mechs. Get 18+ meter starship ready, to build nuclear Medusa corvettes to patrol the solar system.
Light the beacons, the terran defense force must be alert.

>>16209561
Yeah this slapdash response is kinda cringe. Maybe spend a little more time analyzing the data instead of deboonking out your ass days later

>>16209700
>buttmad about your zoyfi spayce fantasies being debunked
like pottery.

>>16209707
I dont even believe in aliens lol. academia is maximum cringe

so who's invading us this time?

People who think starship will ever be cheaper than falcon are deluded. have you not seen whats been going on?

>>16209561
>"you must be mistaken, let me propose possible reasons that my instant conclusion is right."

Really high quality images.
Based chinese.
This should be the standard given the technology is cheap and abundant.
Even downlinking from the moon is a nothingburger.
Amateurs with backyard antennas can receive HD images

>>16209710
>reasoning by analogy
The one physics based reason why it couldn't be is it being expendable.
That's why it's a fully reusable design.
Learn to think better or ngmi

>>16209719
It isn't technically fully reusable anymore anon.

>>16209290
imagine likening yourself as a "intellectual" despite thinking this shit is real. lmao.

>>16209338
"Speed of light too slow? Here at Sal's Civilization Shrinkers we can help. Choose a scale from attosecond to picosecond and we can start scanning TODAY. NO MONEY DOWN!"

>>16209722
Wrong.
I said design not prototype flight 4. We've seen the newer design for the booster HSR.
It is not a jettisonable ring.

>>16209722
this currentt rocket isn't
kinda like that earlier one is not a hot stage rocket
who knows what the final version would be

>>16209719
Musk says it needs to be fully AND RAPIDLY reusable. if its fully but not rapidly reusable then it wont be cheap. Ship literally uses shuttle tiles buddy. they take 6 months to refurb....

>>16209731
>they take 6 months to refurb....
Swap 'em out after a flight for fresh ones, turnaround time 2 hours. You don't change the tires every time an airliner lands, you just make sure the pressure is good and send it.

>>16209723
How'd they fake the low gravity moon dust physics?

>>16209740
Flew all the way to the moon to set up a sound stage there, velly sneaky

>>16209740
Retarded newfag responds to bait youre so obvious

FOUST INTERVIEWS DIRECTOR GENERAL OF ESA
https://spacenews.com/europe-seeks-to-launch-into-clearing-skies/

>>16209736
>just swap 5 thousand tiles out bro
>2 hours bro

>>16209748
Well, it should be no problem considering how easily they fall off.

>>16209748
You want to swap them all? What for? Just replace the ones that popped off, yes two hours max, probably even less time.
Space is not that hard.

>>16209651
It's not a huge deal but it's not nothing. The whole point of this program was to develop the risky technologies first, before starting the main phases of design and implementation. You have a problem when these overlap (e.g. JWST), because problems in technology development turn into costly redesigns. The sooner you open the program office the sooner you have to start paying all the staff.
It also places it firmly with GSFC, who now will now set out the requirements for something the will build. There is room for conflicts of interest there. Someone at GSFC working on a technology can write the requirement to suit their technology. If the center decided they want a bigger mission, which will cost more and fund them for more years they can do it. It's like cost-plus contracting, but you also let the contractor write the requirements.
It doesn't mean bad things will happen but it's not a good step. Think how much the shitty management of JWST (from GSFC) cost. And now the schedule is being rewritten by congressional margin notes.

>>16209755
They shouldn't pop off, they should probably just slowly degrade or wear down

I am once again asking: wenhop

>>16209766
Thursday.

>>16209766
two days
one day for starliner scrub

Will I ever see a more complete image of Triton before I die?

>>16209776
Depends on when you die.

Preparations for the final destack soon

>>16209778
Put it this way. If it launched today (transfer windows nonwithstanding), I'd be well into my 40s by the time we got images back

>>16209783
Jesus if its a plain Hohmann transfer it takes 31 years

>>16209783
>>16209786
The shortest route to neptune takes about 10 years.

>>16209788
do you mean saturn?

>>16209788
Has anyone ever seriously looked at aerobraking at a gas/ice giant? I'd assume the 10 year trajectory has you flying by Neptune going very fast

>>16209783
>>16209786
>>16209788
only one man can get Neptune pics back in under 5 years

>>16209795
No, triton is a moon of neptune.

>>16209788
We can get there in less time if we just move faster.
Follow me for more spaceflight tips.

>>16209807
Of course, why didn't I think of that?
Seriously though, someone needs to convince the Chinese that it would be most implessive to send out ice giant probes. I don't see anything being launched from the US before the 2040s, and that's assuming it's a topic in the 2030 decadal survey that gets enough funding to actually make it to a launch pad in the first place and doesn't turnout to be another hideously expensive and complex rube Goldberg machine from JPL that gets canceled after a few schedule pushes and budget overruns.

How long would it really take a fully LEO refuelled Starship based probe to get to Neptune? I'm not at my desk, can anyone do the numbers?

Delta v map of the solar system.

>>16209819
yeah i got around 11 nanoseconds so i'm just gonna wait for someone qualified

>>16209823
How deep would I need to plunge into the neptunian atmosphere with a 20t, 4m diameter probe to capture into an unstable elliptical orbit from a high-speed intercept velocity similar to voyager 2? How hot would my heatshield get?

>>16209819
Found this page which includes a chart of mission times to get to all the planets with various levels of deltaV https://projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/appmissiontable.php
At constant burn at 1 g acceleration you can get to neptune in 31 days. Starship probably isn't that good. I'm note sure how much deltaV starship has so I can't tell how fast starship can get there.

>>16209823
Noone is going to fly beyond Jupiter without using Jupiter gravity assist

>>16209838
You will if you have the deltaV

>>16209839
even if you do, using jupiter is just so much more efficient. It's a giant gravity well that can fling you anywhere you want.

>>16209834
Let's assume 7000 m/s for simplicity

>>16209841
Sometimes you care more about speed than efficiency

>>16209838
>Noone
pronounced "noony"

>>16209838
>>16209841
It'll be great until the Jovians threaten to shoot down anyone who doesn't pay the toll.

>>16209776
China wants to launch a Neptune mission. I pray they send up HD cameras. Lots of their shit tends to be standard definition like it’s still 2005 or something

>>16209843
Pretty close, starship with no cargo has about 8km/s deltaV.
It takes 5.4 km/s to get into neptunes capture orbit from a direct burn from earth. So starship can do it.
Assuming I'm reading these charts right anyway.

>>16209841
>Efficient
Fucking science fags. Efficient in terms of what? Not time, that's for sure

>>16209856
How long would it take?

>>16209859
Precisely everything EXCEPT time.

>>16209861
Well that depends on how much acceleration starship can do. Anywhere from 10 months to 31 days based on the website.

Someone remember to make a launch thread for IFT-4

>>16209861
>>16209869
I did indeed read it wrong, starship can't do a brachistome trajectory so I3 would be best. Thats 8 years and 5 months, still pretty alright.

>>16209301
kek it's still up.,

I wish to know the likelyhood of Starship launching on the 6th

>>16209878
Probably because the discussion is more substantive than here

>>16209879
It either launches or scroobs, so the likelihood is 50%.

>>16209856
You'd need to start from a low circular orbit of Earth, so around 3 km/s higher than the red bar. Probably beyond Starship's capability with useful payload

>>16209861
>>16209819
Takes around 30 years for a Hohmann transfer to Neptune.
Voyager 2 made it in 12 with gravity assists

>>16209876
The travel times in that chart are round trip, and even the I-2 trajectory is far beyond what Starship can do.
>Impulse trajectory I-2 is in-between I-1 and I-3 (it is equivalent to an elliptical orbit from Mercury to Pluto, the biggest elliptical orbit that will fit inside the solar system).
Starship does not have the delta v for that

>>16209885
>You'd need to start from a low circular orbit of Earth,
you forgot orbital refueling.

>>16209885
>You'd need to start from a low circular orbit of Earth
You don't need to, theres nothing stopping you from parking a fuel depot in high orbit.

>>16209881
t. guy that wrote control algorithms for Starship's booster landing.

> /sfg/ retards playing with Neptune mission parameters to get a quick trip
chemical propulsion won't cut it
>muh orbital refueling
lol no

>>16209848
you're slowing down my planet bro, this heavy bitch takes money to speed back up, how would you feel if I dropped YOUR planet into the sun?

>>16209885
>>16209899
What if you had a 100 ton third stage hidden in the second stage and could use that at some point on the trip? What if you taped two Starships and a fuel depot together in orbit? Does chemical really not cut it on a reasonable timeline?

>>16209899
>noooo you cant just refuel
seethe & cope

>>16209905
>taped
just hold them together for a few minutes, then they're vacuum welded

>>16209907
Space is literally so easy. Six fuel depots space welded to a Starship second stage with a Triton probe/lander combo inside. We'll get there in a year. It's that easy

Hop wen?

>>16209901
You greedy lying Jove, you KNOW it'll take millions of years before this happens, you also conveniently forgot about all the mass that uses your unsightly radioactive greasestain of a planet for deceleration into the inner solar system.

destackk

>>16209788
~1-2 years when you travel at the speed of the solar wind for a fast flyby

>>16209916
it's over

>>16209906
no, you can refuel in LEO but chemical propulsion means it still takes over a decade to go from there to Neptune

>>16209850
Yeah they slap on ebay webcams on their rovers for some reason.

>>16209911
Youre annoying stop asking

>>16209933
HOP WEN

>>16209936
TOO FAT

>>16209927
I just hate NTR solid core cucks.
Such a retarded technology.
Just spray a bunch of highly enriched U235 containing liquid at a point so it promptly fissions and let it heat up hydrogen you pump around the outside.
No need at all for a stupid reactor core that needs to run colder than even a chemical engine.

Uhhhh is Elon a chud?

Can someone explain why people who otherwise like space hate SpaceX? There are a couple people out there like that. Maybe it's because I'm autistic but I don't understand at all.

QI assumes that inertia is due to horizons damping the quantum fields caused by acceleration (q mechs + relativity). It gets rid of dark matter & shows we can damp these fields to move things w/o propellant. It explains gravity a similar way: matter is a damping horizon.

>>16209941
Elon "Felon" Musk is a swindler and conman and all of his products fail.

>>16209941
They're coping basically.
Also leftist mind virus. People who fall prey to that are usually not actually that bright. Much smarter on average than the hyperconservatives though

>>16209941
they are people who like politics as well.

>>16209940
If there were two or more I'd say yes.

>>16209941
Elon said things they don't like on twitter therefore he is evil and dumb and stinky and ugly.
Basically reverse halo effect.

>>16209946
>>16209947
So they are about stuff other than space more. Couldn't be me.
>>16209944
This one I understand the least. Do they actually believe it?

>>16209941
if you were an autist who actually had a deep knowledge of spacecraft you would understand. The anger stems from all the false claims SpaceX makes about their ehicle performances. For example the claimed payload to leo for starship of 150T is actually a 4x exaggeration and legions of low IQ normies whith an interest in space parrot it as if its gosbel.

>>16209943
Dont act like you understand any of this.
This is rocket engineering general, the mathematical sophistication goes up to solving PDEs numerically and no further.

>>16209951
>legions of low IQ normies whith an interest in space parrot it as if its gosbel.
It's called /sfg/

>>16209950
Yes, EDS is a very real thing.

I'm jealous

This is why we need fucking lunar relays

>>16209941
I just got a X timeline update and watched a video about a guy that seems to hate Musk/SpaceX. Apparently the guy is a serial liar and defamed many of his neighbors and got sued for defamation. He was forced to pay $500,000 with 12% interest. All the while pretending to have expertise in various scientific fields. "I'm an astrophysicist, an engineer, etc" while in reality, being a janitor or sorts at a bar.

I'd assume, the seethers are like this guy.

>>16209951
Reminder that this is the delusional ESLpedo who was posting about how "germany could do Starship so much better and faster if they wanted to"

>>16209954

This thread is academic mind math. It doesn't belong on /sci/.

This sort of gov pseudo science sickens me.

Keeya

>>16209960
Gateway will probably get a Starlink laser package.
It's hard cause most orbits are not suitable, you can't just deploy a constellation like you do on earth.

>>16209941
1) continent of Europe has lot of left wing people who are into communism and gets triggered by Musk being America/SpaceX being American/Capitalism winning/etc
2) leftwing disease in the US being similar to leftwing communist disease of Europe
3) people being attracted to Musk's natural autistic anti-charisma in negative ways, on top of him being the most talked about person today

>>16209961
The guy in the video or elon?
I never heard about elon getting sued for defamation.

>>16209970
>I never heard about elon getting sued for defamation
He literally was and lost the lawsuit.

>>16209970
The guy in the video but also this >>16209972

>>16209899
>help me Mike McCulloch, you're my only hope

>>16209972
>>16209973
While I have about elons defamation lawsuits, I can't find any against him he lost. The only ones he lost were started by him.

>>16209899
>>16209976
>sundiver solar sails
>electric sails
>plasma magnet
>mccoulloch meme drive
>direct fusion drive

All methods to reach Neptune in ~5 years, people are way too focused on conventional chemical which just isn't gonna cut it for outer solar system travel

>>16209979
He lost the one to the diver who he called "Pedo Guy" on Twitter.

>>16209986
No he didn't. The pedo guy was never defamed, in fact he was even invited to the British palace by one of the actual pedophile prince that was on the Epstein island.

>>16209941
>Can someone explain why people who otherwise like space hate SpaceX?

-democrats who were told to hate Elon after he bought SpaceX
-oldspace whose gravy train was disrupted by SpaceX
-newspace whose business model was built on a world without rideshares
-SLS stans

>>16210006
>Elon after he bought SpaceX
>bought
huh?

>>16209986
No he didn't.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50695593

>>16210008
There's a mythos that Musk bought Tesla and SpaceX spread amongst the lefttists on reddit.

>>16210006
*bought twitter

>>16209938
FUCK YOU

>>16210011
Musk did buy SpaceX though. It was founded by Tom Mueller and Musk came in and stole his falcon 9 without doing anything.

>>16210021
LOSE WEIGHT, FATASS

>>16209941
It's mostly kids too young to remember how awfully depressing spaceflight was from 90s to early 10s. and oldspace boomers, but they are less annoying these days as they die off. many are just le skeptics (contrarians) who are backlashing again the supporters. everyone wants to feel smart/special, being a rebel is exhilerating. of course there are also those that enjoy the engagement and attention, negative ir otherwise

>>16210019
That's one of them, but no, many of the "everything is political" screamingly mentally ill types actually think he actually bought all his companies with blood diamonds and that his atrocious relationship with his father is just for show

>>16210036
Well, they also believe Fauci is their pope and worships the state mandated jabs

>>16210011
>>16210025
Musk bought Tesla, and created Space X. Muller was the first employee of Space X.

The point here is that no one person can take credit for any company, and giving credit to these so called "founders" is just more capitalist "I Built This" propaganda created to justify the elites theft of the reward for the contribution of everyone that was necessary in the group for the enterprise to succeed.
Worse is when Wall Street financiers take credit AND take the lions share.

>>16209845
Pronounced "Peter"

>>16209941
After you have spent a few minutes on the internet you will find out that it's full of retards and trolls

>>16210056
Just like real life.

>>16209298
articulate your ideas like an adult or stop polluting the thread

>>16210047
Theres no point except that youre a reddit. You reddit trannies and your mythos about musk being a fraud is sad and pathetic.

/pol/ claims that starlink hasn't had any launches in months, just thought you could use a chuckle.

>>16209841
takes too fucking long build a nuclear saltwater ship and send that bitch

>>16210006
>SLS stans
You can not convince me that exists

>>16210075
They dont exist other than workers for the oldspace and leftists who hate Musk and contrarians. Theres no real genuine fans for sls imi

>>16209951
I think you're the only person being serious here. Is there actually a fundamental problem limiting the mass to orbit? It isn't just a prototype limitation?

the chinese moon probes are nice but nowhere close to resembling anything of a race with artemis

fax:
>sls has launched
>orion has gone around the moon
>starship is flying

china's launcher, manned spacecraft, and lunar lander are nowhere near ready

the only thing these chinese probes are competing with is all these commercial lunar companies

>space force is almost 5 years old
>has barely done anything in it's entire existence
its a grift at this point

>>16210072
Get the fuck out

>>16210047
kys commie
Musk and all the employees deserve their due credit.

>>16210072
funny.

>>16209939
what are you talking about anon? It gives triple the ISP and it's caveman technology there's no reason not to do it

>>16209944
Falcon 9 and heavy are massive successes

>>16210081
The extra mass needed to make the ship reusable has a huge impact on payload, much larger than the the payload penalty you get from making the booster reusable. That's the whole reason why falcon 9 worked so much better than shuttle. Falcon 9 is a medium lift rocket resuable or not reusable, since the payload impact of first stage recoveryis not huge. On shuttle they launched a superheavy class stack to deliver a medium class payload, because of the insane payload penalty that a reusable upper stage causes. The orbiter weighed like 75 tons and the payload was around 25. Starship can't escape the payload penalty caused by a reusable upper stage. They don't have large wings like the shuttle orbiter, but they need to carry about 300m/s of fuel to land, and they need a huge shield just like the orbiter.
Stretching the ship won't fix it. They will never deliver 150t to leo with the present design, their mass to leo is actually less than SLS block 1 funnily enough. I think they will acheive 150t to leo and mars colonization in the future if they do the 18m wide starship. Present ship will deliver starlink but it doesnt have the performance to fulfill the artemis contract, nor does it have the performance to actually return from the surface of mars to earth.
Before retards jump down my throat, I'm not fudding, I've been a massive fan of SpaceX for well over a decade. I'm just taking a sober look at what actually exists. If we are lucky then Musk will build the gigantic rocket which can colonize Mars by the time he is on his death bed as his last magnum opus. If not then we will not have a surface base on Mars by the time we are all dead.

>>16209931
probably in part because they don’t have a good DSN

>>16210118
The raptor will make it possible. Think about how much falcon 9 and merlin improved after they started flying in decent numbers.

>>16210118
>reasoning based off the shittle
hi thunderf00t

Be honest, are they really going to lead space exploration in the next decades?

>>16210118
>Present ship will deliver starlink but it doesnt have the performance to fulfill the artemis contract
the moon version doesn't have a heat shield or wings though right? Why wouldn't it be able to fulfil the mission with orbital refueling?

>>16210130
have they stopped dropping boosters on villagers?

>>16210130
Maybe?
Certainly possible.
They're currently leading in EVs but didn't have any 20 years ago.

>>16210126
I'm not thunderf00t and I don't have EDS, but I guess you just knee jerk that out without thinking so whatever.
Shuttle is a perfectly good comparison, being the only other non-capsule reusable upper stage flown. And, you know, the fact that shuttle and starship have the exact same TPS.

>>16210124
Musk is doomer about Raptor behind closed doors. The plan was to have an easy to refurbish reusable engine, but the present strategy is actually to not bother refurbishing them at all and just make manufacturing as cheap as they can. That's why they are integrating parts and putting welds where there used to be bolts- making production easier at the cost of refurbishability. The reason for this is because the engines are not high enough performance to be worth the complexity. They have been working on the 1337x LEET engine for years. I'm certain that LEET will be the engine to power the next Starship if it is ever sucessful. They will probably abandon full flow staged combustion in favor of a simpler design.

>>16210130
They're certainly farther along in landing on other bodies (in recent years) but they're somewhat behind the US on launches. Maybe one of those state backed totally organic space companies manages to bridge that gap and let the chinese industrial might mass produce a way off planet but it's uncertain if they can catch up to spacex right now.

>>16210133
For being that stupid, and the blue officially submitting to you, I make the highest prize in nature. That's 4000 trillion. I'm just expressing a logic. You, are shit, for all the reasons an illegal matrix attributes. The pain it causes is bad pain. I'm immune to you. And I did earn that from good's time fold submission. Plus a red infinity and a blue marking. You don't believe me? Times are strange. The blue does not make it to this realm of stupidity, and for that matter alone, I earned 4000 trillion. You may think it's bullshit, but then again you are as shit as an illegal matrix. Keep the shitty hits coming, prove yourself unworthy, make me money off of everyone else's failure, as you pre-sumed was incorrect. In the end you do several thousands years, why would I care if you continue being stupid. Did I annoy you then? Yes.

>>16210131
Landing on the moon requires signigncantly more propellant than landing on mars because you can do zero aerobraking. Don't get me wrong, starship is a beast for delta v without all the reusability parts attached, butthe mission it has to do in artemis is nuts. Single stage from LEO to lunar surface, to near lunar escape. That's crazy for a single stage.

>>16210141
>Musk is doomer about Raptor behind closed doors
Source?

>>16210146
Cheers m8 (Y)

>>16210148
read his biography by walter isaacson.

what type of bot did I just trigger?

>>16210148
The picture vivid enough for you stupid people. I will hunt you with this money

>>16210130
Honestly, if America isn't going to do anything with space, there isn't anyone else who realistically besides China. It's a good thing they are interested, maybe people will land on Mars before I die.

>>16210149
I'm just gonna wait this one out. Every dumb you throw, I'll profit from. In the end, the system will submit. I'm used to it now, it doesn't glitch - it never bothered me. You are my success. And you'll pay for it.

>>16210147
The official plan is that starship will refuel in LEO before going to the moon

>>16210159
of course, if it didnt refuel in leo then it would not make it anywhere near the moon

>>16210159
You wanna keep "sucking me off?"

Be my guest.

>>16209941
People like being contrarian

>>16210155
radical life extension will be invented and you will be forced to take is so you can pay 400 more years of taxes

>>16210159
I worked out how to do as well. Watch me. I dunno... I'm getting pretty close - as foreseen by yours so kindly

>>16210118
>18m wide starship
Fuck you asshole I know it’s you you played your hand when you typed that number. 18 meter starship is not happening you will get 9 meter starship as the most successful rocket of the first half of the 21st century, and the first rocket to land humans on mars and you will like it.

>>16210130
Maybe, I want them to land people on the moon to light a fire under Congress's ass lmao

>>16210159
The highest prize in nature - as if he acquired all the knowledge - 4000 trillion. You can pre-sume way more. Keep em coming, you can pre-sume, complex, at the least. You are nothing.

>>16210169
And while you wait for these to come out why don't you try and throw a complex punch

>>16210172
I'll pay that off in a moment.

>>16210141
>source?
>it came to me in a dream

I'm literally crying bros... technology is not advancing fast enough... my eyes are red

PLEASE tell me there will be a colony like this at least on Moon before I get too old... I want to eat Applebees with fat American boomers wearing sandals on the Moon and watch space kinos in a giant IMAX theater while making soi faces....

Why does the namefag keep posting literal spam in here

how did I get a bot to just keep responding to me?

>>16210167
Why are you so emotional? 9m starship isn't good enough

>>16210178
become a writer

>>16210177
what the fuck are you smoking. all this stuff is easy to find out. read the musk biography which came out recently.

okay but jokes aside, when will we have something like this? >>16210178

The moon is 3 days away and humans have gotten there already, would it really be hard to make a base/tourist town like this within a few decades?

>>16210180
You, directly, will go-to hell for that. Plus, all I got to do is put 1 trillion on your head to me and I'll sort that out. This is fact. I don't know what nat-ure you live in but that will hurt some day

>>16210130
In some minor ways. For example, China will probably be the first to bring back a sample from Mars. They might be the first to build a permanent "moon hut".

These leads will be temporary and minor though. Any Chinese lead in the near term will be accidental due to political/management fuck-ups on the American side. As long as the US is ahead in launch capacity, it should be quite easy for the US to stay ahead in space exploration.

However, it's easier to catch up than to blaze new technological trails, so there will likely be a technological convergence. China is also famous for being able to achieve world-leading economies of scale when they put their mind to it. So China might catch up to the US in launch capacity during the 2030s.

In truth, I don't think any one side will pull very far ahead of the other in space exploration. If one side pulls far ahead, the leader will slow down to save money whereas the laggard will accelerate his efforts to catch up. The only reason any one side might "win" in Space Race 2 is because the other side gets sticker shock and throws in the towel, as happened during Space Race 1. However, unlike in Space Race 1, both sides are quite evenly matched economically and will remain so for decades, so I don't think any side is going to call it quits for a long time.

>>16210178
>PLEASE tell me there will be a colony like this
Picrel is the best I can offer

>>16210186
You haven't actually seen it said in that biography and are just repeating what you heard from an EDS sufferer.

>>16210193
China wants to be a big boy on the world stage so they are aiming for prestiege firsts rather than meaningful science.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aru2M9Ac5OI
>What To Expect For Starship Flight 4 | Excitement Guaranteed!

Why aren't we trying to build a self sustaining base in Antarctica? It seems like the best practice run

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NasUiJSsups
>Ship 26 Conducts First Static Fire on New Stand | SpaceX Boca Chica

>>16210203
Might be possible on the coast. Likely completely impossible in the interior.

>>16210203
because its pointless, cheaper to ship material there than make it self-sustaining
this is not the case for Mars

>>16210208
In the short term, not in the long term.
Also it wouldn't be pointless, it would be really cool.

>>16210130
no way, chinese spaceflight would have to undergo major changes for that to happen

>>16210208
It's a practice run
Doesn't most stuff made to go into space get an earth clone anyway?

>>16210215
Give that here, I'll do it

>>16210200
Is that not almost always true in space exploration? Technological prestige is the primary goal, and if any science gets done then that's a bonus. It's not like the political leadership is actually willing to write multi-billion dollar cheques just so that astronomy autists can take pictures of distant celestial objects or so that geology autists can have their moon/mars/asteroid roggs.

You might be thinking in particular of the simpler architecture of China's Mars sample return mission in comparison to NASA's. That's probably because the science isn't even a secondary goal of that mission. The secondary goal is to verify the technologies of future crewed mission, using the same rover -> sampler -> boots formula as they are using for the Moon. The science is a tertiary goal.

>>16210214
What do you have in mind? Isn't Chinese spaceflight undergoing major changes right now?

>>16210199
youre retarded. I did read it in there and I've never heared an EDS sufferer say it. Whats wrong with you.

>>16210203
The best practice run for a self-sustaining base is to do it in a sealed laboratory environment, that is an environment tailored to your needs, that allows you to abort at any time for safety reasons, that allows you to make changes easily, that is located in or near a major city where it's easy to get the skilled workers that you need to build your lab and tweak equipment

>>16210202
>elysia
i bet her nipples are pierced liked jessie's

>>16210223
I bet you spend a lot of time thinking about womens’ nipples homo

>>16210200
This, China is conveniently ignoring that the US brought back like 380kg of moon rock vs. the 1.7kg that change 5 brought back, the only difference is the sample location which in the end doesn't really change much
>>16210220
>major changes
They've got the modern equivalent of MIR and Lunik, plus whatever SpaceX clones are being put forward to defraud the CCP

>>16209776
Theoretically, if Russia doesn't fuck up. First Nuclon tug should be launched in around 2030. So you may get a chance to see a Saturn mission with some proper equipment.
Otherwise you'll need to pray for someone to make a fusion drive because I don't remember anyone else working on potential long range drives or missions.

>>16210227
They're undergoing a major restructuring of the space industry - both launchers and payloads - from one SOE monopoly to a broad mix of many companies of various ownership structures.

They're moving into new launch tech paradigms so eagerly that CASC currently has a foot in like five different paradigms simultaneously (modular hypergolics, modular Energia-Zenit, Zenit optimized for megaconstellation deployment, Falcon 9, Starship). Isn't that major change?

>>16209290
>one of the most antagonistic geopolitical opponents the US has ever had is coordinating with NASA to make sure their moon lander photos look strikingly similar to America's
How will moon hoax faggots recover?

How come there's still no license? There are only 2 days left.

>>16210178
Not without some really radical inventions. Even if some of the groups working on fusion made both the reactors and drives possible right now it will take no less than 50 years for shit like this to be built.

>>16210245
>moon still looks like the moon
>Mass optimized insulation for vacuum still looks like mass optimized insulation for vacuum
Wow

>>16210234
>I don't remember anyone else working on potential long range drives or missions.
Didn't DARPA in 2023 contract a team led by LockMart to develop an NTP tug?

>>16210118
I'm not quite this pessimistic, but good points. I'd guess they can probably get to 150 t or at least enough for Artemis with the current design, but it'll be a while.

>>16210124
>>16210141
If they can really hit the targets they've set for Raptor it'd help a lot but we haven't seen any Raptor 3s yet and they're running the current ones below 100% at the moment, probably so they don't blow up. Also wasn't 1337 cancelled in favour of Raptor 3?

>>16210264
Their plan is to launch a reactor testbed cooling with liquid hydrogen in 2027.
They don't have the drive, they don't have the reactor and they have fuck all for a cooling system.
With standard Lockheed operations it would all be done around 2045 and cost 15 billion $.

Russia at least already has spent 20 years making the cooling system for the reactor and it actually works.

>>16210245
they'll ignore it
They're either mentally ill subhumans or well poisoning agitators trying to fuck something else up by proxy

>Airmen and Guardians worked together to launch an unarmed Minuteman III intercontinental ballistic missile from Vandenberg Space Force Base, Calif., early June 4, marking both the first test launch since November and the first of two back-to-back tests.
>The missile, equipped with one test reentry vehicle, launched at 12:56 a.m. Pacific Time. It flew about 4,200 miles at speeds exceeding 15,000 miles per hour to reach a test range near the Kwajalein Atoll of the Marshall Islands, in the central Pacific Ocean.
>The back-to-back tests will conclude June 6, with launch scheduled from 12:01 a.m. to 6:01 a.m.
https://www.airandspaceforces.com/air-force-test-minuteman-icbm-first-time-seven-months/

Gee Bill! 2 nukes?
But really, I wish I lived even a couple hours drive away. Would really want to see one of these Minuteman tests.