/sci/ - Science & Math

Six more days

>>16201928
>early stage

>>16201933
The thread was on page 10

Total earther death

>>16201933
page 10, discord tranny

I prefer the space-flight general

https://spacenews.com/peru-and-slovakia-sign-the-artemis-accords/
Breaking news: also Peru

asking again because we staged before I got an answer
is there somewhere online I can find like a compendium of maps of gravity assists that different probes have taken?

>>16201968
not that I know of, you could start by compiling a list of every space probe

Can any cosmic perspecto paypiggers get the full uncut high speed ift3 video please? puhleeeaase

>>16201958
space/flight general

>>16201970
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Solar_System_probes
ok now what

>>16201976
go through them, one at a time, and compile a spreadsheet of every planet they've visited in order
doesn't NASA have some open source trajectory software?
https://software.nasa.gov/search/multi/aw/software/9/trajectory
uh somewhere in here maybe I dunno

ah here we go, this is a good one
https://software.nasa.gov/software/GSC-18459-1

>>16201959
You forgot to fill in Puerto Rico as part of the US, dumdum.

spehs

>>16201987
can you turn the saturation up a bit more please?

spcss

Im gonna not cause a shit storm about this since we already have another fucked thread on the log but you fuckers are forcing my hand, I VILL be making threads again and you VILL be happy that its not the current threads on the catty.

>>16201995
yusss

>>16201996
chill your autism bro, thread is fine

>>16201941
This is why you include that screenshot when you stage mein friend.

>>16201999
I have chilled it I just said I wont be causing a shit storm. On with the thread, which IFT will be dropped on Blorigin HQ?

>>16201933
>NOOOOOO NOT THE HECKIN CHINKERINOS

>>16202001
anyway I hope you understand that the reason I keep spelling it differently is specifically to piss you off, right

>>16202007
Yeah but you make others angrier than me. I dont even split threads or nothing thats another anon.

Holy shit Im so bored. Someone start up the fucking Boeing explosion capsule already

>>16202057
Boeing is too cowardly to kill a few astronauts.

>>16201968
The only probes to have used gravity assists left the earth-moon system, so the list is actually pretty short

Although it could be argued the Apollo free-return trajectory was gravity-assisted

>>16201928
Extremely gay thread, at least the pic is somehat space related

Isnt Trump done for? He cant run for president now

>While only possible on Earth in a car or bike, running around the inside wall of a vertical cylinder on the Moon for exercise might be possible on foot and could be a viable way to get exercise in ⅙ g (paper).

https://orbitalindex.com/archive/2024-05-29-Issue-271/#weird-papers

https://www.universetoday.com/166822/lunar-explorers-could-run-to-create-artificial-gravity-for-themselves/

https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rsos.231906

>>16202205
Even if jailed nothing prevents him from running from the can. It would probably make all blacks vote for him too.

>>16202207
you could create your own antigravity

https://spacenews.com/china-conducts-three-launches-inside-two-days/

these have been posted about but the chinese cadence is getting pretty good

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5t9TqxHiFJ0
>Long March-3B launches PakSat-MM1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyepEnaQtDo
>Ceres-1 launches five satellites

https://x.com/raz_liu/status/1795777829357187438
sea launch in front of a city

https://spacenews.com/thinkorbital-developing-satellite-repair-toolkit-with-x-ray-vision/
>This month’s experiment validated ThinkOrbital’s core welding technology by performing autonomous welding tests of aluminum samples during the suborbital flight, the company’s CEO and co-founder Lee Rosen told SpaceNews.

this is the startup planning to do spherical space stations modules by launching the parts and then welding it together in space

>>16202205
He will be the Republican nominee officially after July and be on ballots in every state. His campaign donation website crashed under load today. He is MORE likely to win now.

Pic to keep this spaceflight related. Text is from a speech he gave after Bob and Doug successfully reached orbit.

>>16201968
All of these animated gifs on Wikipedia are made by one guy
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:ListFiles?limit=50&user=Phoenix7777

>>16202235
Internet autism is magical.

>>16202220
Neat. I'm a shill for space welding

>>16202220
>>16202356

gUYS i SwEAR TO GOD IM TEWAKING SOMEONE HELP MEEE

>>16202231
I make everyone around me upset because I literally only care about space when it comes to politics. They try to argue but I'm like "Trump was better for space". Still can't believe how good Jim Bridenstine was at playing the game. Meanwhile Bill Nelson missed the opportunity to tell congress that China has already put a lander in the far side of the moon because he thinks we still don't know what it looks like back there. He could've doubled the budget with one sentence. Fuck I hope trump wins, just one person needs to tell him he could be the president that lands on the moon before China and he'd emergency executive order $1t to NASA

>>16202433
>he'd emergency executive order $1t to NASA
this is why if Trump wins it's the best possible timeline. Landing wouldnt have been possible if he was serving his second term right now.

>>16202433
You could executive order a hundred trillion to NASA right now and nothing would change except boing and friends would make more money. It's not a funding problem, the whole institution is fucked from the top down and it's pure fucking luck that SpaceX happened or we would still be in the dark ages and begging Russian for Soyuz rides, which would be sort of awkward after we sanctioned the shit out of them.

>>16202444
I think starliner would be fasttracked to fly crew a year into the Russia Ukraine war and would nearly kill crew but ultiamtely work

>>16202448
why do you think more money would solve it? look at how much time and money has been used for SLS
its a competence problem and a management problem, not a money problem
you have diversity hires forced to work on retarded projects trying to jump through retarded hoops due to congress
not sure what is worse in this case but looking at something like JPL then giving more freedom without sensible management might not work either
but at least the rube goldberg machines that JPL is doing is more interesting than SLS
the problem is then that they try to monopolize the whole area and block anyone else so their funding doesn't get cut (which in retrospect was warranted, but perhaps they should have just worked on non-retarded shit=

>>16202453
>why do you think more money would solve it?

It's a standard reddit take. "If NASA had the US military budget we would be star trek and shieeeet". He's a newfag transplant.

>>16202453
One of the things which baloons budget is the amount of time wasted. I'm saying if there was political will then Starliner would just fly sooner even if it was less safe, so it would overall cost less. Likewise if SLS simply had a higher cadence then it would cost as low as 400 mil per launch instead of 2+ billion.

>>16202444
It's at least partially a funding problem. Most of the bad parts of Artemis and JPL's coonery were built to avoid Congress or a President sperging out and canceling them. That's also why NASA keeps punting on Venus missions.

>>16202429
Tweaking on optimism about mankind's future in space? Good job, I'm doing the same, feeling ecstatic.

>>16202444
If he appointed someone smart like Bridenstine he would award Starship some contract with clever public-private free market wording. The game is about tricking congress

>>16202448
I don't think you're fully considering the counterfactual. In a world without spacex it wouldn't just be starliner that nasa funded, there were other options. BO's biconic capsule and dreamchaser. BO bowed out itself so the second award would've certainly gone to dream chaser.
If dreamchaser got commercial crew funding, would it be flying right now? Maybe, since it looks like the cargo version is gonna fly before starliner does I think it's a good bet it beats boing.

>>16202369
Thats what I'm fucking talking about

>>16202110
SLIM gravity assisted off the moon to save fuel on going to the moon.

Can this thread provide a single rebuttal to this paper? https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-024-54012-0

>>16202497
Yes. The authors are European.

>>16202497
>Include more (international) partners, incl. possibly political organizations (of the space sector or others) to enhance the necessary technology development in relevant fields such as ISRU, Power generation, ECLSS
>include more bureaucratic bloat or your program will fail ;)
The authors are nasatards aren't they?

>>16202497
I got a little bit into this "paper" and decided it was not worth a read, so unfortunately I'm not able to provide rebuttal.

>>16202500
>>16202501
Oh, so it's more like
>please don't leave us behind america!

>>16202497
SpaceX was always about missile defense, the Mars And Beyond! stuff was for the stupes

>>16202497
Yeah, it's the same rebuttal as always. SpaceX is focused on step one. I don't know why these retards don't understand that. Imagine if step one is delayed or fails because they devoted resources to step 2 through 100,000. Cheap mass to Mars is the only thing that matters because literally everything beyond that step is reliant on it.
>umm actually the toilets won't flush in Mars gravity
I DON'T CARE!!! That'll be easier to solve than building a fuckhuge paradigm shifting rocket. Fucking retards

>>16202513
yeah and if these people are so keen to solve those problems, why don't they start doing it then? Musk has said multiple times that he is open to other companies doing stuff so SpaceX doesn't need to do them

>>16202497
>https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-024-54012-0
they are poopy heads and me no like them!

>>16202207
>pregnant moon concubines forced to run continuously for 9 months naked and barefoot in the gestation towers
the future looks bright, boys

>>16202528
>>16202497
There's so much text that it becomes a chore to go through it all.

>>16202444
executive order the money to SpaceX

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5GY7_aVBtk
>What's different and new on Starship Flight 4?

>>16202497
MUCHO texto

Just going to go ahead and give my rebuttal that they are homosexual communists and probably Jewish too

>>16202497
"Blow it out your ass"

>>16202526
I've been saying that if NASA were smart they would've already started working towards mass production of various space worthy doodads, but they've spent 60 years specializing in the specialized. There are silicon valley startups in a better position to mass produce Mars rovers than NASA. That fact is only possible because someone somewhere is fucking up

>>16202497
The paper assumes that the current hardware is what's going to mars, that SpaceX is going to be the only people involved and it uses the ESA's science mission feasibility criteria, remind me when was the last time the ESA ran a manned mission by itself beyond LEO?
It's a glorified ackhtually, that was only published because shitting on SpaceX is cool for academics.

>>16202569
Why would SpaceX build hardware which knowingly cant do the mission lol? Thats like NASA building a rocket which cant even take people to the moon.

>>16202543
https://x.com/Erdayastronaut/status/1796557334535430512

>>16202231
Beautiful words

>>16202623
for a convicted felon.

>>16202630
For the best president for space in a while, keep it thread relevant

>>16202497
You can always count on experts to tell you how something can't be done

>>16202623
DM1 was such a rad moment.
>>16202630
Felons are cool, rules are gay

>>16202630
fElon Muskrat

GUYS DONT FORGET CHANG'E 6 IS GOING TO LAND TOMORROW!!!

>>16202648
I am excited to see if it makes it or not, they've got some good momentum after their first Mars lander made it on the first try. I'd bet a dollar that it lands fine, not sure how sample collection and return will go but we'll see.

>>16202648
Wake me up when the Chinese actually livestream something.

>>16202650
This time the plobe has a rover with a camera, I hope it films the ascent with the samples, just like they did in apollo 16 and 17

>>16202648
NOBODY CARES.

>Would tiles falling off kill starship?
No.
>Would tiles falling off ruin its reusability?
Yes, and that is why musk finds it so concerning.

>>16202679
you are the most idiotic dickhead ive ever heared.

>>16202679
You cant kill whats alreasy dwas

where are my ice in the tanks schizos at?

Can a water hammer unclog ice from the filters?

>>16202497
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02852-x

Easily

>>16202687
ULA snipers have specialized ice bullets that melt after firing and leave no ballistic trace.

>>16202687
thats a brilliant idea kek

>>16202687
Holy shit maybe??

wheel_stop is back and she's gone schizo :(

>>16202680
that's only because you haven't heard me yet

Beautiful words...

>>16202687
some sloshing would probably help

>>16202497
may I see their reusable orbital rockets and world spanning satellite megaconstellation?

Don't worry space bros! Trump is our go- uh I mean our guy!! MIGA! Or I mean... MAGA!

>>16202497
everyone knows his mars plan is unrealistic. Musk always does that shit so that he hypes up his product. Man has to sell his fish afterall. Of course we aren't ready to send humans to mars in 2029...

>>16202719
You know what Mars mission *is* feasible?

>Stich says Starliner uses a similar parachute system to Blue Origin's New Shepard capsule.
Good luck

>>16202725

>>16202497
yeah, that sounds about right
My estimate was about 20 people, if they were to bring a service module that would provide power and a dozen cargo starships already waiting and at least partially unloaded by robots

100 people is doable for orbital station or Lunar base ferry, but not Mars.

>>16202595
>Thats like NASA building a rocket which cant even take people to the moon
Pic related

>>16202497
Wrong architect.

Early on mass build up of cargo/robots. With no return trajectory. Later on small crew for lifetime duration colonization missions with lifetime supply of basic necessities (dry compacted food/energy/health care). ISRU/green house to be established early on during the early cargo missions with robots for proof of concept. You build up from there.

When you start with wrong assumptions, you fail to reach accurate conclusions.

>>16202740
They never promised these ones could do it though, unlike Starship. Saturn V didnt need to get upgraded and stretched to maybe do the job

>>16202754
the ability of you guys to deflect from reality is astounding. Musk has said countless times that being able to return is essential. Now all of a sudden its not I guess lol.
>Inb4 "SOURCE, SOURCE!"

>>16202758
Being able to return is essential. For later stage colonization process. Not early on. Early on, its a detriment. For the first 10-30 years, its an absolute waste of energy. All the energy used by ISRU for return fuel could have instead been used to build up a base and power the entire early colonization process.

You missed the fact that Musk isn't taking SpaceX to mars as a rich tourism flight. He wants a full on self sustaining colonization. Not a 30 day stay and return nonsense.

>>16202763
And also, once a colony has been built after ~20-30 years of stay by permanant residents of Mars, there would be some growing need to export stuff back to Mars by the residents as a means of trade. After 20-30 years, hopefully couple hundreds could be on Mars living as a family/society/functioning civlization. It would still depend on earth for resources but hopefully enough to establish food and energy independence via solar/carbohydrates and green house. Maybe some chemicals needs to be exported from earth every now and then.

>>16202369
how do i buy this starship toy

>>16202763
OK sweaty

>>16202780
Proont your own

>>16202780
just buy the one on spacex.com

>>16202740
I hate to use the term "kerbal" but this rocket sure is. They strapped a bunch of Mercury cores together because they didn't have the tooling to make a single tank that diameter. More weight, less propellant.

>>16202595
SpaceX is constantly upgrading their hardware. Do you even know how the first Falcon 9 looked like.

>>16202758
SOURCE??

This is getting bad

>>16202812
Of course you fool. What, do you really think people posting on a space forum would have no idea about early SpaceX lore?

>>16202497
i don't have much of an issue with the paper itself. having new numbers to chew through is fun. it would have been a fine blog post, but it owns elon so that qualifies it for publication in nature instead.

>>16202816
>reposting old stories as if they were new

>>16202837
Welcome to Space FUD General.

>>16202811
there's kerbal all around if you know where to look for it

>>16202843

>>16202837
It's breaking news, meaning "fresh off the presses". I know your ESL and have trouble understanding the language but please do better

>>16202851
weeks old news is neither breaking or fresh off the presses

Who will live and who will die?

Visit South Padre Island

>>16202853
Literally posted on X yesterday retard

>>16202854
>Starliner explodes
>National tragedy
>Biden speech
>All rockets grounded for one year so the government can figure out what's going on

>>16202868
And then China mysteriously builds an exact replica of Starship by November?

>>16202870
Kek I'm joining the bugs if anything like that happens

>>16202854
>Suborbital

Lmao pathetic

>>16202863
if someone tweets a weeks old story today it is still a weeks old story anon

>>16202904

>>16202944
Nothing to talk about we're just waiting at this point.

>>16202947
China's thing is going on but not 'til tomorrow, and even then they probably won't publish shit right away if at all.

>>16202944
We've got a boring ole starlink launch in five and a half hours and an electron launch an hour after that.

In the meantime, Relativity posted a full duration test of their Aeon-R engine
https://twitter.com/relativityspace/status/1796608014235078774

>>16202855
If the Starship program utterly fails (it won’t, if God wills it) all the scrap from the prototype ships/infrastructure will end up around random places in poor ass Brownsville.

>>16202847
I think this looks good, do I have AIDS?

>>16202970
Im afraid its terminal

FINAL STACK WITH FTS

>>16202979
>final stack

>>16202847
> Noooo!! You can't launch crews with solids!! Their fragile bird like bones will be shaken to pieces!!

>>16202980

>>16202984
We must secure the secrets of the walnut.

>>16202991
By FAR the best moon of Saturn

>>16202996
titan

Another good month, gentlemen.

>>16202999
wasted trips defending a shithole

https://twitter.com/torybruno/status/1796591398399123872
>VulcanRocket GEM63XL solid rocket motors are stacking up in our new storage facility. 21 SRMs, 2.5 million pounds of propellant, so far! (No smoking zone…)

>>16202235
this one was fun

>>16203020
can i get an early life check on that asteroid

>>16203012
GEM ALERT!

>>16202649
Chang'e 5 worked, and the Chang'e 6 lander is the backup copy for that mission. It's a slightly more complicated mission this time however I'd still say >95% probability it works.

>>16203003
Seems a bit misleading to count mass of GTO/TLI launches the same as LEO launches

I've done this so many times in KSP.

>2075
>be earther
>get a worker visa on mars to get away from Brazil 2.0 (formerly named earth)
>your first night on mars your restless, you go out to explore and find a local martian pub.
>while you try to order a beer this martian amazon woman walks up to you and slaps your ass and tells you they dont serve universal income babies here.
What do you do?

New aurora just dropped

>>16203003
Seems a bit misleading to count the mass of payloads to geostationary orbit or the moon the the same as payloads to LEO

>>16203048
Grab her with my superior Earther muscles and carry her back to my hotel.

>>16202702
who
why the fuck should we care?

>>16203054
There's probably a good "energy applied to payload mass" metric, but I've never seen anyone suggest anything like that before

>>16203003
Fucking IRAN put more mass in orbit than Europe did this month. We need to rectify the mistake of WW2 and annex them as non voting non citizen colonies.

>>16203060
there's a few threads on the topic on NSF

>>16203066
As a euro i'm wondering what the upcoming elections will do all over europe for euro oldspace.

>>16203066
Well, that's just what happens when all of your rockets retire or have catastrophic accidents all the same time

>>16203074
do any voters even know what ariane 6 is?

>>16203077
God no.
Most euro's here dont really give a fuck about space exploration.

>>16203074
Little to nothing. Europe has perfected the art of only applying elections to officials who lack real political power

>>16203074
Basically nothing. No one cares or thinks about space, definitely not to the point of mentioning it even briefly as part of their campaign.

Jesus fucking christ, the SpaceX stream calls a flight delay then immediately fade-cuts to a 10 minute long infomercial, of Elon selling you bitcoin & etherium tokens
What is this clown shit

>>16203008
trips reveal you got shit on by God

>>16203107
SpaceX doesn't start their streams until a few minutes before launch. Their next launch isn't for a few hours. But you already knew that, right?

>>16202965
>boring ole starlink launch
still blows my mind that this is routine. what, 50 landed boosters this year?

>>16203107
Has YT still not cracked down on those,

>>16203107
boomeranon...

>>16203107
Are you really this retarded? if not, see pic

>>16203117
bots and pajeets have jannies across the internet back on their heels

wen we gaan?

wenhop?

>>16203107
lol, retard

>>16203133
herro everynyan

>>16203138
Why do you keep posting your fake photoshop? loser

>>16203138
Does anyone really know what time the launch is?
Does anyone really care?

>>16203133
everynyan!!!

>>16203141
NOONE CARES.

>>16203133
Hop never

Weird how nobody has drawn the tower-chan carrying little Starship-chan yet
If I was rich I'd pay one drawfag

>>16202456
I don't think even Reddit is so stupid as to think it's all a Proper Funding Problem, although I do see the sentiment on YouTube (and here unfortunately)

>>16203147
t. zoomer who doesn't get my EPIC and COOL reference.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FzCWLOHUes

>>16203163
I have this

>>16203066
Worse than 'this month'. This is for QUARTER 1. Europe hasn't done shit.

>NOOOOO NOT THE HECKIN WHOLESOME BLACKERINO TRANERINO ASTRONAUTS

>>16203179
t. NASAcels tomorrow

>>16203012
would be a shame if a SpaceX ninja were to plant some explosives in this tent

>>16203182
Considering that these ULA storage sheds are on a National Guard base that might not be the best idea

>>16203169
longship is looooong

>>16203185
stop trying to force your cringe meme schizo incel.

>>16203184
They're ninja's for a reason

>>16203186
shut the fuck up, kid

>>16203186
Anon...
>ironic shitposting is still shitposting

>>16203181
Racist chuds WNGTS

https://twitter.com/NASA_LSP/status/1796655286087831658
>Weather is 70% GO for launch down in New Zealand where @RocketLab is set for PREFIREandIce sending the second and final CubeSat to the ends of the Earth! PREFIRE will study the planet’s heat emissions and its impacts on the arctic regions.

>>16203201
>IrrelevantLab

who were the most racist pre-shuttle astronauts?

>>16203216
me

>>16202497
I assume Starship was going to be used as cargo lifter/shuttle to build the real spaceships that will transport crew to Mars. Imagine making ISS but twice as large and can move around independently in space and has modules to carry at least two Starships as shuttle/cargo lander for Mars..

>>16202725
Flybys are not missions

>>16203227
A manned Venus flyby would be way cooler than a Mars one, in my humble opinion

>>16202779
>It would still depend on earth for resources
Why though? What particular resources do you have in mind? They might prefer to import some goods but I can't see that there'd be anything vital that couldn't be found or made on Mars

>>16202664
i care

>>16203163
Ive seen it somewhere

https://www.pcmag.com/news/spacex-aims-to-launch-cellular-starlink-service-this-fall

>>16203240
One package, unlimited home internet and cellular. Maybeeeee $85 a month? I feel like you’d need to charge like $200-300/month to actually turn any sort of profit but that’s not going to attract a lot of people I reckon

>>16203241
this is for deadzones so increases coverage but not much more than that at this point
still quite useful

>>16203240
launching it without starship, what a shitshow lol

I cant wait

https://twitter.com/cbs_spacenews/status/1796687034657960385
>The Hubble Space Telescope has entered safe mode due to a gyro issue, NASA says, adding "Hubble's instruments are stable, and the telescope is in good health;" equipped with 6 new gyros during a final shuttle servicing mission in 2009, only 3 are required for normal operation; but 3 of the 6 failed earlier, leaving the observatory without redundancy in a key system.

I would let Elon Musk kill my whole family if it meant I could enlist to rim his asshole on Mars

>>16203254
Orion could go service it

>>16203241
>I feel like you’d need to charge like $200-300/month to actually turn any sort of profit
If only you knew how much money the big wireless companies made each month...

>>16203254
OH MY GOD IS THAT A MALFUNCTIONING TELESCOPE AAHHH IM GOING CRAZY SAVE ME ISAACMAN

>>16203254
It's in good health

>>16203260
No fucking way
Well there's the Mars city paid for

>>16203254
>2009
>new gyros
WAKE_ME_UP.jpg

>>16203216
>le head in the rafters man

who was in the wrong here TIM DODD OR ELON MUSK?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zc__n-HoJRQ

>>16203297
it wasn't estronaut's idea to get rid of the heat exchanger

>>16203048
broke: colonizing space to make The Culture series real
woke: colonizing space to make Cosmic Casanova real

>>16203254
NASA would rather see this die than let a private mission fix it for free

>>16203297
the actual blockage material is still unknown so this is speculation

>>16203308
Back to >>>/pol/

>>16203318
Back to >>/lgbt/

>>16203323
>couldnt even link boards properly when i just did it
Holy fucking shit how new are you??

>>16203310
who cares, it's obsolete and we can do way better these days

>>16203121
and the ceo of YT is an indian

>>16203326
So if it doesnt matter, why not let them do it?

>>16203331
Yeah well youre a subhuman piggoid

>>16203326
that'll be 120 billion of tax payer money

Strokin my shit rn (this is my pov)

>>16203340
fucking footfags

>>16203333
because they're a bunch of spergs who pitch a fit when someone else wants to touch their stuff? it's embarrassing for them but irrelevant for everyone else besides astroonomers
>>16203335
just don't make it a flagship mission and it might slip under lockheed's radar

>>16203334
you guys are extremely sensitive

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nB_GVyc3DVY
In an hour it'll be that time again

>>16203340
Crazy to think that we'll have shuttle like capabilities here in a few years with star ship. For now this is lost ancient technology

>>16203354
I regularly reply to random anons insulting them just because I find it funny btw. Its not serious.

>>16203361
even better actually since they will be non-crewed, we won't have to check almost everything 50 times over which majorly delays every launch/

>>16203366
why would you have to check it if its crewed??? if astronauts die just dont care, then its not a problem. Give their family a bag of onions or something and move on like the russians

>>16203228
Genuinely the most hideous rocket/capsule combo ever created. It's awful.

Here is the breakdown according to /sfg/.

>>16203370
you just know if a PoC dies and becomes overcooked mincemeat there will be riots & looting on the streets

>>16203376
Green and purple are retarded. Pink is the only reasonable answer and the others are trolling

>>16203267
>No fucking way
>Well there's the Mars city paid for

Starlink is starting to print money for SpaceX, but the cellular industry has been doing it for years. This is certainly for more cash flow to fund Starbase/Starfactory.

I am not lazy I was just born in the wrong era
I can tell ya for sure if I was born in the 2100's I would love to be waging away off world helping to build our colonies and cities off world

>>16202497
they used starship v1 numbers to calculate its delta-v

>>16203387
no its for funding oscar isaacsons joy ride to nowhere

>>16203233
Might take lot to chemicals to develop chips industry. Along with medicine. Some of the key medicines require animal ingredients and others herbs and shits.

>>16203403
stop being a fucking naysayer, troll.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_FNdZEa7cI official launch stream

Clear Live for Starlink Group 6-64 Mission!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_FNdZEa7cI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_FNdZEa7cI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_FNdZEa7cI

Clear Max-Qute!

>>16203450
she is so adorable!! her voice is cute
MAX QUTE

WHy are there two very different looking MVac nozells?

>>16203459
it was getting boring to fly so many missions with just one

>>16203459
Save money. If they don't need the efficiency from the larger nozzle, they will make the smaller one because Inconel is expensive as fuck and you aren't retrieving the engine.

>>16203459
Because the niobium alloy the engine bell is made of is fairly expensive. Shortening the nozzle wrecks the MVac's isp, but it also saves a lot of money, so it makes sense to shorten it when the Falcon is launching a payload that would normally be way to small for its capability. That's why you always see the short nozzle used on RTLS launches.

>>16203459
the nozzle looks smaller when the rocket is cold

>>16203464
>>16203465
Thanks, anons; that makes sense.

>>16203467
Are you making a comparison to something anon

Clear Live again for Electron PREFIRE And Ice Mission

Starlink launch went off without a hitch, and Electron PREFIRE 2 stream just started:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKV9Nf6oVJI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKV9Nf6oVJI
Rocket Lab is live
T-17:00

>>16203479
Tubby bitch

>>16203479
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4v8iy5kiz4

>>16202707
uptruthed good sir

>prefire is an acronym
I am reminded once again that jpl has a monopoly on good space acronyms

>>16202965
>Aeon R full duration test
What the fuck is Beck doing
He needs to stop seething about prices he can't match and get the fucking engine to the stand already or he risks losing his spot as the top dog of the also-rans

>>16203488
They haven't posted any test footage but they do have some kind of hardware and it is at least physically present on a test stand

>>16203392
fucking this

So... When are they launching this kino?

>>16203497
>when are they going to launch this powerpoint rocket
Never

HOLD

>>16203497
>So... When are they launching this kino?
too kino looking for modern humanity
similar to picrel

you kiwi fucks

>>16203497
showed this to my wife and she started biting her bottom lip for some reason

>>16203397
>>16203403
>Some of the key medicines require animal ingredients and others herbs
Like what

>>16203497
“kino”

>>16203497
2 weeks

>>16203497
neutron will turn into a falcon 9 clone

>>16203510
cute and dangerous

T-15:01

start the count

>HOLD HOLD HOLD

>>16203518
stop the count again

>>16203521
GEEEEEEEEEEEG
SKIBIDI LAB FAIL

>lox detank
it's ogre

Like thats ever gonna happen

It’s over

>>16203527
The launch window doesn't have enough time for another recycle today

>>16203512
It would be funny if they just ended up with the original teaser image after all

>>16203531
I bet it does lol

Space Flight is dead and buried

https://twitter.com/RocketLab/status/1796750997110595854
>Launch update: We are standing down from today's launch attempt due to an out-of-family sensor reading. The window for today's attempt has now closed, but we have plenty of back up opportunities in the coming days so we'll be on the pad again very soon for the PREFIRE and Ice launch.

Space+/-Flight=general

23 sats deployed. Nice. F9 chugging along just fine.

https://x.com/SpaceX/status/1796750829954978225

>>16203540
https://twitter.com/TurkeyBeaver/status/1796736037739270432
>This landing is special because the recovery team just chattered our fastest ever landing to landing turn. Roughly 84 hours between two booster touchdowns on ASOG. It traveled roughly 640 nautical miles in that time with only 3.5 hrs at the dock to drop off a rocket. Unreal!!! Well done recovery team!!!

https://twitter.com/BellikOzan/status/1796751640441266459
>At this rate, 4 drone ships could support 400 launches a year if you didn't have downtime, weather disruptions, or scheduling gaps. And that's ofc not including RTLS flights.

starlink only benefits musk and his big fat bank account

>>16203544
and that's a good thing!

>>16203543
>400 launches a year
Jesus. Hopefully we'll see it by 2030.

I want to see this happen.

Genuine question: How do I cut off my frenulum while ensuring they won't necrotize? All of them btw, phallic, tongue, lips.

>>16203551
of fuck I posted it on a random thread by accident :/ sorry guys I haven't used 4chum in a while.

>>16203464
Niobium too, that goes in the MVac skirt.

I posted this on /k/ but didn't get any traction so thought I'd repost here.

Infantry-infantry engagements on the Moon won't really exist.

>>There will be no Fog of War.
In the early days of Moon colonization, a Moon variant of Starlink will be deployed to the Moon, and it will have a constellation of hundreds or thousands of satellites in orbit. Each of these satellites will have many sensors and relays, so a real-time tracking of everything on the surface of the Moon is likely. Because there are so many satellites, the system is robust to losing a few with no system degradation. Also, with the way the orbits would be set up (assuming orbits of 100km, the satellites are going ~1.633 km/s and completing orbits in 117.8 minutes, plus precession) you won't see the same satellite for a long time. Also, because there's no atmosphere on the moon, all adversary rockets and satellites can be trivially tracked because altering course by burning propellant is quite easy to see.

>>Missiles.
Ok, so hypothetically the adversary has a bunch of infantry that leave their habitat and trek across the Moon surface (on foot and/or in rovers) and head towards your base. You would first warn the troops and their leaders. If they do cross your border, you can attack them with missiles. They cannot hide from the missiles. And because there's so little gravity and no atmosphere, missiles are hugely better than on Earth. The size of lunar ballistic missiles will be tiny. Like MANPADS tiny. Using some basic assumptions on a Javelin, if you shoot it at 45 degrees on the Moon it will go 2500km and hit in 30 minutes. Obviously with lunar-optimized systems these could be improved. The Javelin has about a 1kg explosive payload, which means a lethal radius of ~100m on Earth. On the Moon, the lethal radius of 1kg warhead would be far bigger (no atmosphere to slow down the splinters), and the spacesuits would be far more fragile.

>>16203547
90% of those will just be starlink launches that only benefits elons bank account

>>16203547
SpaceX is going to keep pushing Falcon 9 as hard as they can for as long as that's their best option, but the launch rate is going to fall of hard once Starship starts finding its legs. A could easily see a 200 launch year, but 400 wouyld need either a major setback with Starship or an outright failure of the project. Also, you can't really dodge the "w/o weather delays" issue. There are not 365 good launch days in a year and 400 launches would functionally have Falcon 9 launching daily.

I still really want to see it too. Falcon 9 is what the Space Shuttle was originally sold as. With Falcon 9 as it currently is we could handle all commercial launches, build a Freedom-class space station, and then use that station as a staging point for a permanent manned lunar program.

>>16203559
and that's a good thing!

Is it even possible to have like a small capsule or ride ship that only traverses in the orbit in an extremely efficient manner? Ideally carrying ~1-2 tons of cargo+2-3 crews. As a means of transportation between different space stations. Between Earth/Moon orbit. It would only be for orbital flights to/from orbital stations

>>16203537
general for flight in space

>>16203559
Awesome. Imagine Gigabit sats with <20 ms latency everywhere on Earth, Mars, Moon and tens of millions if not hundreds of millions of starlink users.

Thats my wet dream

>>16203557
seems mostly right to me but i think you might be underrating the possibility that EMPs could significantly degrade the ability of some starlinkesque system to track the entire surface

>>16203566
Alright Mr. Aschbacher you aren’t making SUSIE relevant here

say starship comes online it currently has zero clients worldwide that would actually need to use that much payload sent to orbit unless it's one giant shared mission.
it will be a while yet before companies start using SS to build there own in orbit projects like space stations or luna colonies

>>16203566
only if you have multiple space stations in the same orbit

>>16203576
nta but couldn't some “intra orbit” spacecraft fuel up at a depot or fuel
station?

>>16203574
There are already multiple companies launching private station modules who are working on starship sized payload newfag

>>16203581
if you're trying to transfer to an orbit with more than a couple degrees' difference in the longitude of the ascending node or the inclination then it'd use way too much delta v to be practical

400 f9 launches annualy isn't happening even in the wild type 1 delusion

>>16203572
Even then a regular old 5.56x45mm out of a 20" barrel is basically suborbital artillery. It would look more like mortar duels than infantry engagements.

https://x.com/dearmoonproject/status/1796759847817625933

RIP. Dear Moon cancelled.

IT'S OVER
https://x.com/dearmoonproject/status/1796759847817625933

>>16203585
What would be an extreme example? Maybe one station in polar orbit and another in an equatorial orbit? Suppose you had to send 2T of cargo from one to the other - would it be “cheaper” (Delta V wise) to just land the cargo on Earth with a Starship and send it back up to the other station?
Sorry if this is a dumb question but I imagine it would be too costly to try this in one burn while in space

>>16203591
>>16203592
I guess Elon unfollowed him for a reason. Who wants to take bets on why?

>>16203591
When push came to shove, his manhood did not greet him with energy. Shameful

>>16203599
Taking longer than expected is primary reason.

>>16203594
>What would be an extreme example? Maybe one station in polar orbit and another in an equatorial orbit? Suppose you had to send 2T of cargo from one to the other - would it be “cheaper” (Delta V wise) to just land the cargo on Earth with a Starship and send it back up to the other station?
for a situation like that the cheapest way to do it in terms of delta v would be a bielliptic plane change and it'd probably cost like 6 km/s. you'd also have to pass through the van allen belts to do it which is something you'd really rather avoid if you had crew. if we're imagining a world where starship launches are cheap and reliable then that'd be a much better option.

>>16203599
SpaceX simply do not have time for it is my guess. Very bottom of the totem poll. Hell, hubble resupply and crazy shit like MSR might be higher than dear moon right now on SX radar.
Berger says he knows but isn’t ready to say anything yet
Tim looks like he is low key seething, and wasn’t really made aware until it was too late

>>16203599
starship's heatshield is nowhere close to being able to handle lunar returns

>>16203591
>>16203592
Are they giving him his money back, he spent a lot

Also get fucked estronaut lmao

>>16203591
>>16203592
Starship belongs to Isaacman

>>16203614
Based Isaacman led team will be the first.

came here to post this
>>16203592
>>16203591
GET FUCKED ESTRONAUT

>>16203574
>zero clients worldwide that would actually need to use that much payload
Constellation launches have no issue with filling whatever capacity a rocket has available

>>16203574
Other space companies plan on using capacity of Starship. I think Varda or vast or something was planning on flinging a huge space station of their own.

>>16203591
spacex.com/refunds

Dark Maezawa arc where he becomes the ‘Jared Isaacman’ for Blue Origin out of spite

>>16203619
??? Broken link?

>>16203622
He'll be waiting three times as long.

>>16203557
Go back to /k/

>>16203625
Topkek

>>16203624
No refunds!

>>16203619
Kek

>>16203619
Ladies and gentlemen, the humbleseethe

>>16203619
geeze estronaut, either be mad or don't be, just don't be a bitch like this.

>>16203619
Standard estronaut cringe reddit post. Could have just posted "sucks about the free moon ride, oh well"

https://x.com/VisitBocaChica/status/1796764448763351057/photo/1

Notmar on 6th/7th of June.

>>16203591
>>16203619
>No refunds
KEK

>>16203560
I just realized there'll probably be a huge dropoff in total flights per year once SpaceX switches to Starship for most payloads. There might even be a few years before total flight numbers start increasing again.

>>16203642
They need 100 flights just to finish Starlink v2.

>>16203642
doubt it. they'll be launching starlinks as fast as they can still and all of the other payloads that get moved over from f9 are still gonna be launched individually because insurance won't let them co-manifest shit.

>>16203591
>>16203592
But why?

>>16203651
Berger said he thinks he knows, but he doesn't have enough confidence yet to publish an article about it. And that the delays are simply a way for both parties to bow out. Personally? I am betting that Maezawa had money problems.

>>16203591
Why does God hate estronaut and love Manley?
(hullo missed the application date)

>>16203654
my bet is that elon took one look at the crew and realized it wasn't worth the money

>>16203657
Someone edit clown noses and afros on to all of these faggots for thinking theyd actually ever into space.

did the japanese guy actually believe in elon's timelines?

>>16203657
>sitting on his couch looking at these clowns
>man how many of these retards are going to go bugfuck live on stream being stuck in a steel tube with these other retards
>fuck it, just can the whole thing

> Yusaku Maezawa went up with a fucking soyuz while only being allowed in the Russian part of ISS rather than just waiting an extra year or two buying himself a dragon ride
Was he retarded?

>>16203670
Bird in hand is worth 2 in bush

>>16203674
Joe Baseball from New York oblast approve this statement

>>16203619
Don't worry Tim, there's always the B mission

>>16203685
Shit in your mouth. There is shit in your mouth you filthy shiteating dog

>>16203685
Fishtank season three, this time in space. Brought to you by SpaceX.

“Hey Maezawa your moon trip might be delayed a few years but you’re still definitely flying!!!”
>Quits and starts pouting
Why did he do it?

>>16203696
Because the japanese are an impatient subhuman filth menace to the civilized world and this is their normal behavior.

So he’s mad it didn’t happen in 2023?

When it comes out what JSC did you won't be laughing about the fate of dearMoon

>>16203557
The Javelin has about a 1kg explosive payload, which means a lethal radius of ~100m on Earth.
That's some aggressive rounding you're using.

>>16203696
Because he knows starship is a complete fraud, 2024 and not even a orbital flight yet, HLS is not ready until 2029-2030 (according to elons time, so 2033) and it wont be cretification for manned starship mission in 15-20 years if were lucky, so this chink knew hes just wasting his money

>>16203698
>Amerimutt calling subhuman to a japanese

Quite ironic

Did Maezawa really think developing Starship would happen entirely on time?

>>16203718
Not a dig at SpaceX, but everything spaceflight is delayed. Orion, Starliner, Shuttle, Dragon. All of it. Could be not realize that a few extra years might be needed?

>>16203705

>>16203699
Then why the fuck did he wait half a year to call it off?

>>16203723
See >>16203698

>>16203699
Nah, its just reality hitting him.

>>16203591
I wonder if its due to politics? I.e the japanese guy not apprrciating what Musk says

>>16203774
Prob not directly, but there could be other pressures on him from other people who might be pushing. But its likely just a matter of time. What do you imagine is the most likely and probable safe time line for when a hypothetical dearMoon project would come to be? 2024/2025 is an absolutely no go imo. 2026 is possible. 2027 too. Now that I think about it, there maybe other constraints like NASA being prioritized which may push dearMoon off further into 2028 or so.

You know what really grinds my gears? Earthers

>>16203776
Yeah 2028 sounds likely, have to fi us on HLS soon and after that Polaris takes peiority over DearMoon
Could be that maezawa wanted to be first or something as well

https://x.com/Erdayastronaut/status/1796760324055404627
Long post about the cancellation, longer than the instagram post but with some of the same text


https://x.com/rookisaacman/status/1796774321123115206
>Sucks man. Keep doing your thing and you never know what doors may open.

Is this some hint from isaacman?

>>16203785
I dunno if he can deal with his faggotry for several days in a tin can.

>>16202078
WRONG
https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/05/boeings-starliner-capsule-poised-for-second-try-at-first-astronaut-flight/
They're flying with the leak.

https://x.com/StarshipGazer/status/1796681106684875171

Its over

>>16203817
Its only just begun

>>16203817
Mars was never going to happen anyway, Starship is a Starlink launcher

>>16203497
should have called it muon.

>>16203789
They are actually going to kill these mfers aren't they? Imagine being the Astronauts and reading the starliner shitshow on top of the boing aircraft shitshow and corporate hitmen shenanigans, dudes must be shitting bricks. It's only a leak in the maneuvering system bro it's fine KEK

https://spaceflightnow.com/launch-schedule/

>>16203883
Imagine if it launches around the time of IFT-4
>Musk's mega rocket fails AGAIN
>Three astronauts lost

>>16203895
Lol lmao even

>>16203817
Nice they're making way for Tower 2.

Its gonna be insane seeing 2 towers there.

>>16203914
Starliner will need recertification, it was only approved for up to 10 delays

https://x.com/michaelnicollsx/status/1796839969656537382

Starlink has ~250+ TBPS bandwidth capacity now.

>>16203619
This is premium grade soi salt
He's hoping Elon notices and still picks him for a free flight as a test subj- I mean, pioneering first flight crew member.

>>16203935
Bullish chart but is going to pullback, too many early investors up big and going to dump their bandwidth. Looking to enter around ~150-200.

>>16203262
kek

>>16203376
fake+gay
/sfg/ is full of clowns, but it's smarter than this
you must have posted the poll during euro hours

I had a nightmare last night that the Starship launch tower with a stack on it keeled over and collapsed.

>>16203699
>just build a first of its kind giant reusable rocket that goes to the moon and back in 5 years bro

So are all rich people just really bad at time tables? Do I need to get bad at time tables?

>>16203947
I'm usually awake during euro hours and I don't recall seeing it.

mf brah so cooked.

>>16203950
like this?

>>16203591
>>16203592
Ok, can I collect an apology from everyone who claimed DearMoon was still active these past few weeks?

>>16203608
retarded opium, see >>16203612 for the real answer. Dearmoon is impossible.

So, when starliners thrusters shit the bed due to this leak that will no doubt be exacerbated or even blow out because of the launch and the astronauts are left stuck floating in some random orbit, what options to save them even are there? Can they scramble a dragon to dock with starliner? It's the same docking port as ISS so I assume so. But if starliner is tumbling badly then they are pretty much fucked right?

>>16203941
I'd sell you puts.
That's how that works, right?

>>16203987
IFT4 can pick them up

>>16203591
>>16203592
so let me get this straight, this jap dude got scalled out of billions only for the project to be cancelled? LOL!

14 launches alone in May.

Holy crap.

>>16203991
its gonna be kino

>>16204017
Quick prep for the inevitable

>>16202970
how is thrust supposed to be transmitted to the core?

>>16203591
>>16203592
I just want to watch randos go to space instead of air force dorks, for once in my life. Can't even have that, though.