/sci/ - Science & Math

>>16192128
>Space Force
>not Spaceforce
AHHH SAVE ME THREAD AUTIST

>>16192128
Threadly reminder that starliner cost $5bil and crew dragon cost $3bil

Is the /pol/ import Trump OP enough justification for me to go back to making threads again or should I still wait it out for a bigger spergout to return? Also reminder that this faggot OP didnt know what the newfag filter was.

>>16192076
Great rocket, but exceptionally awkward in how the core, the interstage, the upper stage, the payload, the payload fairings, and all of the boosters all arrived at SLC-17 separately and had to be pieced together on the pad. It was a minor miracle that they were able to launch this thing twelve times in 1998.

>>16192134
Some of the Trump OPs are false flags. I made one just to make you mad, one time.

>>16192139
I dont care about the OPs being of Trump. I care that the main person behind them doesnt even know the literal first thing about spaceflight. Unless you also faked not knowing what the newfag filter was pretending to be Trump OP then I still think its justified to bitch about these since if seems the real Trump OP made this bread

>we wont ever go back to moon
>We wont ever set foot on mars
>We wont ever have a space station beyond LEO

Space bros... 50 years ago the stars were ours.. now that dream is broken, they told us to be on mars and beyond at this point... What went so wrong?...

>>16192148
Just post your scat folder already we know you want to

Go away Doomers, we're taking to the stars.

>>16192151
>4 flights and not even LEO yet

Can we stop pretending starship is not a complete fraud?

>>16192128

>>16192152
Nope

>>16192135
i think that's just a legacy of how old it is. titan iii and saturn v were the first american rockets to have dedicated assembly buildings afaik.

What if gypsies in space.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4g2Hlymwis
Clear doing translations again for the H3 press conference. Thank you Clear!

>>16192160
what were they groping

>>16192160
Why didnt you make the clear edition thread asshole, now we're stuck with a /pol/ import OP

>>16192156
*Explodes after stage separation*
Very impressive

The enjoyment shall continue

>>16192167
Pure epic in unadulterated form if there was ever such a thing in real life and not just an online slang

>>16192164
unironic trump cheerleading is beneath even /pol/ at this point

>>16192128
Miss those years, when space was top priority

we are so primitive when it comes to space travel man and it hurts to think about it

>>16192128
Space Farce?

>>16192152
>It hasn't met my arbitrary expectations therefore it's not real
grow up

>>16192152
anything that uses chemical propulsion in 2024 is fraudulent
at this point we should really have some type of exotic propulsion
the human race has failed

>>16192203
Well that's largely because the actual human race devotes almost all its resources towards financial trickery to make number go up, infinite free shit for the barely sentient inhabitants of earth who couldn't even invent a wheel and lining the pockets of military contractors for a giant military that does nothing except have all its equipment replaced every few decades, overthrow tin pot dictators and occupy shitholes at vast expense. Space gets literal pennies in comparison. If even 10% of the aforementioned had been spent on space technologies we would be cruising around the solar system on fusion rockets and shitposting from Titania. But unfortunately, here we are.

>>16192173
>t. Ivan

why are the multiple threads for no reason? is this a psyop or just reddit?

>>16192128
stop posting politics you absolute faggot.

>>16192128
this is like the fifth time you've posted this picture as OP?
curious

this Trumpshit OP blows ass, I think forking again would be funny, somebody make that Clear thread they wanted to make
>>16192145
be less of a stupid nigger you schizo

>>16192402
Go shit up another board. Off with you.

>>16192416

/sfg/ approved games? Aside from KSP

>open thread
>it's just people complaining about OP image
you are all faggots and don't even work in aerospace. these threads always suck

Say it with me boys: D E S I G N F L A W

>>16192441
EVE if you like MS Excel
Elite Dangerous is aight
Haven’t played Starfield; have heard it’s just a boring Skyrim
Metroid Prime (great)
Starfox games are okay, personally I don’t think they’ve aged very well past the SNES & N64 era
Dead Space/Alien Isolation if you’re wearing your brown pants
FTL; my roommate played this on his phone all the time in college, said it’s an addicting micro-managing game w/ spaceship theme
Halo MCC (the original Bungie halo games are masterpieces)
Can’t say I know anything about No Man’s Sky, Star Citizen, or Outer Wilds—but these are popular options.
If you don’t give a shit about space-themed: Ocarina of Time, Battlefield 1, Skyrim, and Left 4 Dead (1 and 2, they come packaged together on Steam) keep me occupied. Just bought Xenoblade, sank about 3 hours into it so far.

>>16192148
>What went so wrong?...
The leaders of the country with the best engineering standards in the world redirected their space program to make each other money.
While computers and materials advanced, they did not. Now they're being totally eclipsed by a private company. We are so back.

>>16192191
It's changing so fast bro where are you, just keep watching

>>16192191
If we really wanted/needed to, we could use nuclear bombs for propulsion and comfortably have green-water control of the entire inner solar system from mercury to the asteroid belt

>>16192467
the problem is slowing down or getting back home

>>16192470
You slow down the same way you speed up. Nuclear pulse propulsion has sufficient delta/v to scoot around the inner solar system without issue, and has none of the thrust limitations of electrical propulsion methods with comparable specific impulse.

>>16192473
nuclear pulse propulsion is modest delta v at best. 400 seconds isp is optimistic. the numbers for the nerva program were fake which is why it was cancelled. They were all paper numbers. Actual performance was like hydromeme but with a big expensive reactor.

>>16192493
what does NERVA have to do with this

>>16192505
all nuclear propulsion operates on the same principles.

>>16192151
Chances that musk dies or is killed before he gets this to mars?

>>16192508
NTR ≠ fission pulse propulsion

>>16192509
Pretty high. But he's cultivated hundreds of zealots and made them managers at SpaceX

>>16192493
>nuclear pulse propulsion is modest delta v at best. 400 seconds isp is optimistic
lying rat

>>16192515
watch it all melt away when the big leader is gone. people will follow profits and spacex will become the devious monopoly leo provider. in 80 years they will be more manager than engineer like boing!

>>16192509
small, the goal is 5 years for cargo and within 10 years with humans (hopefully 7-8 years)

>>16192520
It he actually does this I'm dropping the pretext and becoming a South Africa style mercenary to defend Starbase

How to explain away the extremely small probability of abiogenesis. Apparently the probability of just a single dna molecule randomly assembling is small even if we consider all the planets in the observable universe.

>>16192555
All those calculations are wrong.
It's like trying to predict the weather a month into the future.

>>16192555
The fact that we’re here “explains it away”
Even if it’s an infinitesimally small probability it still happened at least once. God’s plan. Not impossible to imagine a chemical vat soup can somehow start self-replicating simple RNA or something

>>16192555
Is because we don't actually know the path self assembling molecules took to get to the examples we have.

>>16192508
>nuclear thermal
>nuclear electric
>nuclear pulse
These are in no way conparable

>>16192555
abiogenesis is extrememly commnon and happens perhaps an average of one every 10 suitable stars. mars has microorganisms. Even perhaps Mercury does. The chances of a planet having the perculiar eden like conditions of Earth for a long time, and then for whites to evolve is very very unlikely, basically impossible. Venus and Mars are examples which sustained earthlike habitability for a very short time.

>>16192570
NSWR is nuclear thermal too doebeit

>>16192555
>observable universe
That's the thing. What we can see is the small volume light has had time to travel through. It might be infinite, or at least incomprehensibly larger. Abiogenesis could be so rare that the next closest one is 900 trillion observable universe widths away, why not. Whatever is going on in this cloud, it clearly wasn't designed for life to play in

>>16192601
>it clearly wasn't designed for life to play in
It's just the "expert" difficulty setting, you start out on "tutorial" with a comfy terrestrial world fit just for you.

>>16192555
how do we explain the impossibly small probability of a universe popping into existence out of nowhere?

>>16192573
>abiogenesis is extrememly commnon
Even the most optimistic guesses peg it at happening exactly once in the history of earth. Where does this "common" garbage come from?

>>16192627

>>16192627
makes me wonder why they didn't make stairs in the middle for the 1st tower

>>16192555
How about Reading Selfish Gene by Richard Dawkins

>>16192626
source needed

>>16192633
>muh source!!!
Shut the fuck up retard you know its true

>>16192639
I've heard the opposite that it actually happened as quickly as it could have
which suggest it isn't rare at all
perhaps the environment where it happens is rare (certain type of star, certain type of planet, need a moon, not too far or near the galactic center etc) but the actual abiogenesis when you have the right environment isn't difficult as I remember it

>>16192643
Nta but this seems reasonable

>>16192643
They don't have an understanding of it at all. How exactly could they predict its frequency? They can't even make a cell in a lab without another living cell already doing the work. There is effectively no reason to believe abiogenesis one way or the other. As such, they can't say with which frequency it occurred as they have no idea of the initial conditions or elements of such. Rather, they tell you a story of what they want you to believe, grounded on nothing, and brimming with feeble materialist assumptions.

>Rocketlab still using Tim Dodd music
Nigger's getting paid paid

>>16192573
>mars has microorganisms
may we see them?

>>16192664
Sure if you go there.

>>16192668
Are the microorganisms on Mars right now?

>>16192664
here

>>16192669
Sure, go check

>>16192664
It has macroorganisms.

>>16192670
looks like an oil leak

This is more of a philosophical question, but do you believe
a) every human doing an EVA on Mars should go through decon and purposefully try to minimize any spreading of life

or b) not give a fuck. No decon procedures. Let yeast and fungi and extremophile organisms naturally cover the planet, because humans are there anyways trying to build cities and industrialize it long-term anyways

>>16192678
Seed the Martian ice caps with dark microbes to accelerate melting.

>>16192678
Try to be as clean as possible until we've drilled enough cores and sampled enough areas to verify if life still exists on Mars (99.999% chance that if it does exist it will be unassuming lithophagic microbes) then stop bothering because it will be impossible to maintain 100% environmental isolation anyway.
The Martian Bug will learn to fear the Terran Eukaryote

>>16192678
b of course, a would be pointless anyway

Throw moldy bread on the bare Martian dirt.

>>16192678
>every human doing an EVA on Mars should go through decon and purposefully try to minimize any spreading of life
can't be done, humans have too many commensal microbes. if you want pristine Mars then there can be no manned landings

>>16192678
TPPD

>>16192037
V-2: iconic bullet shape and fins are unmatched
Soyuz: iconic conical boosters and unfolding launch pad petals
Shuttle and Ariane 5: aerospace cathedrals
Pegasus + tri-engine jet: unique
stepped Saturn V and conical N-1
Proton: dig the six-fold symmetry and matte-silver engine pods

most modern rockets lack aesthetics, sadly. Too spare, just bare straight cylinders and fairing, no more fins. Even the side boosters are getting too stubby.

>>16192699
V-2 is some loony tunes stuff

>>16192699

>>16192670
Oh neat, dirt

Did anyone read this article?
Ho Lee Shit
The Lunacy of Artemis
https://idlewords.com/2024/5/the_lunacy_of_artemis.htm

>>16192690
This is the way I see it. I want Mars colonized asap but I see an argument for needing to research it without contamination.
It’s really our only other Earth-analog terrestrial planet that we can research besides Venus, but that’s off-limits for practical reasons.

>>16192441
modded /ksp/
Gihren's Greed
Hardspace Shipbreaker
Outer Wilds
Star Wars: Empire at War: Gold Pack
Barotrauma
Subnautica
X-COM: Interceptor

>>16192441
trolling failed newspace companies on Linkedin

>>16192461
Xenoblade is good, 2 has the worst fucking bad anime plot I've ever seen but is also good, 3 is fantastic

>>16192493
Orion drive, not NERVA
nigger

>>16192722
kek

>>16192690
Who is drilling cores and why

>>16192707
>V-2 is some loony tunes stuff
Problem, untermensch?

>>16192739
Your ubermensch lost.

>>16192717
This is stupid. The Artemis payload return budget is limited by Orion payload capacity, not Starship. Starship can bring 25 tons of payload to the lunar surface.

>>16192739
Or the commie R-1

>>16192744
The same starship which can bring 150T to LEO but can really only do 35? WAKE UP

hot stage ring was probably jettisoned on the previous flight as well
the shadow in the upper pictures are longer and have a hole with light
the lower pictures don't have that

https://x.com/mcrs987/status/1794185357799637361

>>16192743

>>16192755
Fully and rapidly reusable but partially reusable and not actually rapidly reusable launch vehicle

>>16192759
150 tons to LEO for the cost of a F9 with the same turnaround would still be a game changer

hardware rich space stations

>>16192757
This guy went to work for people who beat the ubermensch :)

>>16192707
The Soviets did some wacky looking things with the V-2 tech they snagged at the end of the war.

>>16192763
>150 tons to LEO

Elen already admited its only 40 T btw, even worse than a FH

newspace/commercial is going to save europe eventually

>>16192643
Even if you have the conditions, you still need about 100 proteins to spontaneously assemble themselves to make the simplest self replicating molecule. Lab conditions have spawned the proteins but it seems like the probability of a certain amount in one place scales exponentially downward.
It might work out that if every viable star had a copy of Earth with the same conditions for the same time, we would still be alone within the entire observable universe.

>>16192767
Well right now it's 0 tons to LEO because they're in the middle of inventing the thing, so we'll see.

>>16192769
you are forgetting geological timescales
even a few hundred million years is not really that much

>>16192770
its actually negative tons to leo because they hav a wide delta between what they SHOULD deliver (Artemis) and what they DO deliver (air)

>>16192738
me
I get paid to do it

>>16192769
wouldn't the fact that it happened on Earth mean it's at least somewhat common?

I don't get this whole "reusable staging rings" meme.

>Technicians offload NASA’s largest planetary mission spacecraft, Europa Clipper, from a United States Air Force C-17 Globemaster III transport aircraft at the Launch and Landing Facility at NASA’s Kennedy Space Center in Florida on Thursday, May 23, 2024. Crews will prepare it for launch aboard a SpaceX Falcon Heavy rocket from Launch Complex 39A at the Florida spaceport, targeting liftoff in October. Europa Clipper will help determine if life-sustaining conditions exist below the surface of Jupiter’s fourth largest moon, Europa.
https://images.nasa.gov/details/KSC-20240523-PH-ILW01_0219

>>16192768
Europe is dead

>>16192772
The entire surface was not ideal conditions, certainly not for 100 million years. In any case, if 300 million planets in the galaxy had ideal conditions over 500 million sqkm each for 100 million years but the chances of life arising in a given sqkm over a year is 10^-27 then not only is the milky way empty, the nearest 100 galaxies are too. Whatever, wrong thread

>>16192754
not hard to calculate that the structural mass of the rocket is overweight, resulting in a LEO payload capacity of only 40-60 ton.
There's a pretty good thread on NSF about how NASA can "buy the partial rights to Starship" and get them to make a proper expendable version (non-stainless steel basically).

>>16192779
What? No, not at all. Are you retarded? That isn't how statistics works at all.

>>16192739

Starbase Weekly is live NOW!

If NASA wants to be successful again they need to go back to its christian roots

>nsf thinks starship is unlikely to fly until mid june at the earliest
what went wrong?

>>16192802
FAA investigation found something...

>>16192803
FAA found out about the preburner exhaust in the LOX tank

>>16192801
more like it's freemason roots. Or was it Nazi roots?

>>16192806
i think they found the ice in the raptor pipes and gave spacex an ultinatum: fix this or you will never fly again

ACK!

UUNMMMNGGGGGGHHHHH GOOOONNNNIIIIIINNNNNGGG I MUST SEE STARSHIP FLY NOWWWWWW SEXY ROGGETTTS MAKE ME SPLOOGE

>>16192831
perhaps in light of the recent failures caused by hastiness we should proceed more cautiously

Thats gonna be the spot for the 2nd tower right?

>>16192832
We should launch MORE often to get more data and fix issues sooner

>>16192831
interstage RTLS spaceplane hostage ring flyback drone

>be me, 20
>good career but extremely bored and lonely
>really into space, but also into /k/
Should I enlist in the Space Force?

>>16192847
Fuck off with your redditor greentexts. Why dont you go join the army meatgrinder instead faggot.

>>16192850
You're a nigger. I was just asking for an opinion from some like minded people. Faggot.

>>16192847
>>16192853
>like minded people
>doing a greentext story
>talking positively about the military
fed recruiting op detected, go recruit on /k/ you glownigger tranny

>>16192847
the most productive thing you will do there is probably ordering new staplers for your office

>>16192853
there's an entire general full of military recruiters on /k/ you can suck off if you want, go away you fucking shill

>>16192853
Fuck joining anything, take the time you have and focus inwards on conquering loneliness and finding fulfilling hobbies.

>>16192847
I don't think you can directly enlist in the space force yet

>>16192855
KEEEEEEEEEK HES RIGHT IT IS A RECRUITING OP NO WAY THE USSF IS THIS DESPERATE

>>16192859
You can, I talked to an air force recruiter
>>16192860
Apparently you have to pass an interview and get selected to join the space force so no, I don't think they are hurting for people.

Everyone report the glowniggers for advertising
>>16192861
Buy an ad you retarded fedfag

>>16192847
I would still respect someone for joining the navy/deploying on a submarine and just mentally larping like it’s a spaceship from time to time.
I would cringe at someone joining the space force to larp like they’re in starfleet or whatever.

>>16192861
it's not even that they're not hurting for people as much as that they're not very big to begin with. there was really no organizational need to split them off from the air force but the thinking was they could get around some retarded air force procurement regulations if they did.

>>16192860
stupid frogposter
>>16192861
stupid fed

>>16192847
>good career
which career?

>>16192858
>fulfilling hobbies.
need examples. Following Starship development hasn't been that fullfilling desu.

>>16192870
Codemonkey software engineer.
It was fun for the first 2 years, now I just don't like it

>>16192873
For myself, I enjoy camping. If you find a good site that you return to repeatedly you can build it up nice with a little shelter, a firepit and wind-blocking walls, etc. I don't know you though, what makes you feel satisfied/happy is probably not the exact same as for me.

>>16192807
all of the above

>>16192883
Interesting I just bought a hammock the other day and then tested it out today in a forest. Might decide to spend a night in the forest.

>>16192896
I hope its one you can zip yourself up in, or you're liable to wake up with mosquito bites. You should definitely go out for a night though, bring a good book if you like.

>>16192861
>believing a single word out of a recruiter's mouth
>ever

Spaceflight implications of Elon Musk company thinking it's possible to compress random noise losslessly by 200x?

>>16192955
Source on them thinking that? Also protip: it's not possible, see kolmogorov complexitiy.

>>16192955
multilayer progressive haruhi folded data at 200 bits per bit

>>16192833

>>16192955
He should watch that show adoptation of three body problem, I dont know what its about but I think its related to nuclear prupolsion

>>16192963
https://content.neuralink.com/compression-challenge/README.html
The challenge just seems to have 1 electrode.
Actually it's closer to possible given all 1024 electrodes since they're probably pretty correlated but still impossible given all the random noise.

Anything that potentially challenges the Standard Model is a very interesting experiment.

Wild that Germanium-76 takes 100 trillion times the age of the universe to decay, yet it is observable in a year in you have ~1 ton of it!

>>16192981
what

>>16192972
aren't taking any chances this time

Can any mathfags explain why noise can't be losslesly compressed?

>>16192981
>Anything that potentially challenges the Standard Model is a very interesting experiment.
such as?

Wild that Germanium-76 takes 100 trillion times the age of the universe to decay, yet it is observable in a year in you have ~1 ton of it!
Must be pretty accurate measurement

>>16192972
19 vs 132 pilings (assuming the latter is symmetrical)

>>16192955
George Hotz should tackle this challenge
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sx2PVCAiGhQ

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1794436966915998060

>>16192870
CIA operator
>>16193001
Include a screenshot next time you dumb cunt

>>16193000
George is not delusional

>>16192767
the only people i see slinging the 40t number around are rabbid EDS sufferers, the actual "payload" capacity changes with every flight because they're fucking prototypes.

>>16193004
but Neuralink is.

>>16192996
Lossless compression relies on the statistical redundancy of the dataset. Noise, by definition, lacks statistical redundancy.

>>16193001
I just bought a Tesla, so not sure how this helps me. Also, spaceflight?

Anything that potentially challenges the Standard Model is a very interesting experiment.

Wild that Germanium-76 takes 100 trillion times the age of the universe to decay, yet it is observable in a year in you have ~1 ton of it!

!!

posting a political OP pic should be a disqualifying formatting error from now on
derails the discussion

>>16193024
can you tell me how many atoms of Germanium-76 are in a ton of Ge-76?

>>16193039
trick question, just like steel vs. feathers in 1ton/kg the ton is always the same mass/weight regardless of atomic makeup (chemical number)

>>16193041
shut the fuck up, how many goddamn atoms is it

>>16193041
aka 1 ton of atoms in 1 ton of Germanium-76

>>16193042
>>16193043

>>16193042
>atoms
/sci/ is a plenum board gtfo

>>16193043
1 but it weighs 1 ton

interesting vid on fly-by-wire and NASA:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPfrk6Q5CXI

>>16193005
"Flight 3 would be around 40 or 50 tons to orbit" - Elon Musk, April 6 2024
at first i thought it was funny when EDSDS suffers started accusing elon musk of having EDS but you guys really need to stop being so lazy

>>16193036
Agree. We also need to draft a /sfg/ constitution

820 tabs open in my browser. It's over.

>>16193089
it doesn't even start to be over until you hit 10k

>>16192847
close but quite feddie

>>16193081
this but unironically

>>16193105
Been planning to do it for a long while but cannot overcome my laziness. The constitution would essentially define what the OP has to look like, and says that we need to stage only after page 10 etc.

>>16192955
I have an algorithm that does this but I won't tell you how it works

>>16192692
roundhouse kick martian dirt with a poopy boot

>>16192782
Why is the crew offloading that all white males? Sure hope NASA isn't being racist and sexist

>>16193109
1) A new thread should be created on page 10 to not spam /sci/ with multiple threads and to keep discussion concentrated in one thread.
2) The OP picture should be non-political and spaceflight related, bonus points if its relevant to a recent event, again to keep the discussion on topic.
3) The subject should be exactly as within the quotation marks "/sfg/ - Spaceflight General"
4) The text field should be short snippet of a subject related to the picture in the form "[subject matter] edition", then an empty line and then a link to the previous thread
5) The previous thread should have a link to the new one just created, announcing that a new thread was created with the text "Staging" and then multiple links on separate lines to make the link noticeable, the post with the link should also have a screenshot showing the page of the old thread so that no unnecessary drama is created due to early thread creation (early staging).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESteQrEQeAc
>Ship 29 and Booster 11 Readied for Starship Flight 4 | SpaceX Boca Chica

>>16193036
trigger'd

>>16193139

>>16193144

>>16193125
if the noise is truly random you can just pretend you compressed it and make new noise at the other end

>>16193147

>>16193149

>>16193134
number three is wrong

>>16193144
>>16193147
I bet these dickheads feel like idiots. fuck them.

>>16193109
>>16193134
There is no obligation to be OP.
But if you must, at least keep the catalog open in another window and refresh it right before you hit the "post" button, since some other faggot is probably trying to start a new thread, and it's a pain in the ass when a second thread gets posted 90 seconds later.

>>16193134
number four is wrong

>>16193134
actually we stage as soon as we hit bump limit

>>16193186
it is required that the OP include either furry porn or anime

Staging
>>>/trash/65980347
>>>/trash/65980347
>>>/trash/65980347

>>16193134
you mean '/sfg/-Space Flight General'

>>16193195
you need to format it like this:
/sfg/ - Space Flight General
alternatively:
/sfg/ - Space-Flight General
sometimes
/sfg/ - Space+Flight General, but only when Carmack has been mentioned and then you need to write "Open Source Edition" in the OP

>>16193144
>lets put enough suction pressure on this tile so that it's attachment is weakened to the point that it will definitely fall off during flight

>>16193134
>>16193176
Someone else has put to words the exact rules I follow when making threads? I remember starting the rule 5 practice a few months back with how much early staging went on and it did help with cutting back on that so I think its a good inclusion. Also with this many people bitching about the OP being bad Im going to go back to posting them whenever its page 10 then.

Spaceflight vs Space Flight
Solarvs Nuclear
Well vs Spin
SpaceX vs Blue Origin
What else

>>16193144
>>16193147
According to a guy I know, these retards are the problem. The attachment procedures are sound but these fucking beaner monkeys don't take the time to do it right and fuck it all up.

Wouldn’t a super low latency sat net constellation (like Starlink) completely invalidate stealth aircraft?
Like you’d just look down and see when the planes take off, and then track them.
Communicate with a less than 50ms delay to the SAM system, and boom you’re done.

You might not even need ground radars at that point, which also helps protect your air defenses against SEAD.
I guess the real SEAD battleground will become LEO, given enough time.

>>16193274
yeah

>>16193274
UOOOOOOHHH SEXY TUMMY EROTIC

>>16193271
Be nicer to your fellow Americans.

>>16193262
fuck off nigger

>>16193274
>Clowds exist
>Satelites can be shot down
>planes can be transported in trucks

>>16193282
>Planes have to hide in clowds now.
plane sisters…

>>16193282
Ever heard of SAR?

UUOOOHHH
SEGGS WITH STARLINER CHAN!!!

>>16193297
>not leaking helium
>no missing rcs thruster design
Yup rocketgirl niggers are posers.

The helium leak on starliner is a nothingburger, they should just launch anyway. The superior engineering of Boeing will bring those Astronauts home!

>>16193297
oh, he drew more

>>16193303
yes they will come home, dead or alive

>>16193305
lmao

>>16193305
>he
>greentext meme with blue background
you mean (You) drew more. normalfags making fake 4chan memes would use red backgrounds. just come out and say that you post here sbarky its so god damn obvious

>>16193305
I look forward to the squeaky-voiced mayday call leaking

https://x.com/mcrs987/status/1794486775777493248

>>16193315
>Did you miss it?
lol I immediately thought they were going to to a kingassripper parody

>>16193315
some people are saying that it was torn off instead of being jettisoned

>>16193326
that would make more sense to me. if you were going to jettison it intentionally the time to do it would be during one of the entry burn flips.

>>16193339
Youre all stupid faggots

>>16193339
Nta but from what I understand, SpaceX plan on keeping the ring on during the flip burn and jettison it only after for IFT-4.

>>16193310
Whoever this sbarky dude is I like them

>>16193348
When are you gonan release an IFT-4 one.

>>16193274
You'd still need to slap the optics of a spy satellite onto each of those to get the resolution to spot planes. That'd be expensive

>>16193287
that's basically radar and the planes are supposed to have a small radar cross section

are there high quality photos of the interior of starliner anywhere?

>>16192154
I can't believe this is a real design proposal.

>>16193262
>exact rules
how about this rule: gb2r

>As the commercial and military space sectors continue their rapid growth, the Space Force is planning to spend hundreds of millions of dollars to upgrade its launch facilities—and will consider expanding to other locations, a top general said May 21.
>“The United States’ current space launch infrastructure was designed in the 1970s and 1980s and pre-dates the Internet of Things (IoT),” SpaceWERX wrote in its solicitation. “While we’re currently able to meet national security space lift missions, our capacity to support public and private sector demand for access to space is falling behind.”
>One way upgraded IT and infrastructure could help, Garrant suggested, is by allowing personnel to supervise and launch rockets from opposite sides of the country. But there are plenty of technologies and upgrades to consider, he added.
>“It’s not just about fixing the technical debt of the existing infrastructure. It’s about building out the infrastructure,” he said.
>Space Force will soon start to collect more fees from commercial launch providers that use U.S. military spaceports, thanks to new authorities granted by Congress. Those funds will help fund more modernization efforts.
>Beyond just improving existing facilities, the service may soon start considering other locations too. A draft version of the 2025 National Defense Authorization Act released by the House Armed Services strategic forces subcommittee includes language directing the Chief of Space Operations to brief lawmakers by Dec. 1, 2024, on “the feasibility of launching NSSL missions out of space ranges not currently utilized by the United States Space Force for NSSL, such as Wallops Island, Virginia; Pacific Spaceport Complex, Alaska; and Spaceport America in New Mexico after 2025.”
https://www.airandspaceforces.com/ussf-upgrades-expansion-spaceports-launches/

>>16193391
Wallops to be the site of the third Starship launchpad you heard it here first folks

>>16193401
Dudeliner (its a tranny)

>>16193412
Wallops is a fucking awful launch site, so no

>>16193417
I've got an idea. how about for the rest of the thread instead of posting about trannies, you post about spaceflight
I know I know but humor me, I think it could be the start of something

>>16193417
All I think about is girls with cocks and suckin em cocks. My brain is on tranny mode! I'm a tranny fiend! SEND ME GIRL COCKS TO FUCK AND SUCK

>>16193401
she's trying really hard not to leak!

>>16193437
thats very strange that you would publicly admit that in your reply to my post anon

>>16193440
On the contrary my dude! I am the post predictable poster on this whole site!!

>>16193438
I would gladly lap up her leakage ahaha

>>16193364
No, nothing about Starliner is high quality.

May 19 #3 parachute failure on the Blue Origin NS-25 New Shepherd on its return to service.

>>16193454
don't need it

>>16193274
Why does it look so sexy?

>>16193454
>>16193456
Best chute is no chute.

>>16193463
what about poop chutes

>>16193466
Disgusting and inefficient. Astronauts will evolve away from the need to defecate.

>>16193469
are you implying that people will just piss out diarrhea

>>16193470
more mass for the piss locks

>>16193470
They would also evolve away from the need to urinate.

Once all necessary piss locks are filled, of course.

>>16193473
Then how the fuck will the body dispose of waste?? Sweating shit through your skin?? Vomiting diarrhea every so often??

>>16193362
>You'd still need to slap the optics of a spy satellite onto each of those to get the resolution to spot planes
Nah. Getting enough resolution to look at something and say "yeah that's a plane" isn't hard from the altitude Starlink runs at. You won't be able to read the tail number but roughly identifying the type of craft would be trivial. Given the number of sats you have to work with, the coverage area for each can be relatively small, which works in favor of reducing optic size even further.
With a computer able to ingest and correlate all the feeds, you could effectively track all air traffic not obscured by clouds by using similar methods to how astronomers look for asteroids and KBOs and whatnot. You wouldn't need more than a ~dozen pixels per plane to determine movement and position, though that would make type ID harder. I'd be tremendously disappointed if the DoD isn't trying to implement a program like this with Starshield.

>>16193401
>_<

>>16193482
perfect combustion, everything is reduced to either a pellet of sand or water and carbon dioxide

>>16193362
Stealth planes only have a small RCS from specific directions, usually head on. Would light up like a Christmas tree top down.

>>16193500
Incorrect. The stealth is most-aspect because actual aerospace engineers know that the air is a three dimensional space and they aren't trying to just handle a 2D plane of static radar installations.

>>16193459
it looks like a girl tummy

>>16193492
Sometimes I miss AIM and Yahoo messenger

If you werent allowed to ever splooge as a condition of living in LEO/LLO would you take it?

>>16193526
Nobody "allows" me to do anything.

>>16193534
Answer the question fuckface

>>16193505
They are designed for specific threat profiles, like I said primarily head on for ground and air based radar. If you think that the top cross section is even remotely close to the front sections then I don't know what to tell you. IR will also pick them up from above easily.

>>16193543
The front gets extra attention, but low observable engineering has been done with all-aspect considerations since day one. "It's useless in X direction" is the domain of the uninformed, the incompetent, and cope lords.

>>16193526
my splooge is a significant factor in delta V calculations

>>16193545
It's not useless in X direction but the profile changes hugely retard.

>>16193526
Yeah, I have other and better ways of getting off

>>16192739
They're so cool they don't look at their rockets

>>16192441

>>16193559
SOMEONE ACTIVATE THE ROCKET QUICKLY WHOLE HES INFRONT OF IT

S29 is now infront of the chopsticks so maybe they put in the FTS soon?

>>16193570
WDR then destack for the FTS

>>16192847
>20
>really good career
highly unlikely

>>16193550
How much propellant do you have stored (in your balls)?

>>16193500
not sure about that. Maybe if the radar was direction below or above.

>>16193696
Why are planes and rockets symmetrical? Lazy engineers?

>>16193459
It looks like the scales of an animal
>Captcha: M0MAH

>>16193440
he was simply mirroring your behaviour, tranny obsessor.

you can hate trannies and not obsess over them every two minutes, btw.
idk where this notion came from that you have to call anyone and everything a tranny at all times in order to be considered a true tranny hater.

>>16193696
can you post an F-35 belly please

>>16193696
the f22 is such a sexy aircraft ngl

>>16193310
I downloaded that picture from twitter. Calm down, schizo.

Anyone here?

>>16193811
Space is closed due to excessive curvature.

https://x.com/arjunkhemani/status/1794324331373490541

Reminder, humans will colonize outer space and become multiplanetary species. God demands it.

>>16193274
in theory, but you would need KH-11 level satellites in Starlink level quantities
which is something only US can afford right now (maybe)
China is almost certainly developing system like that, but it probably won't be ready in time for the invasion

>>16193274
Not just that, but LEO sats with lasers give a clear precise position to missiles.

Further if they have a powerful enough lasers (~100kw) thats fired for ~10 secs, it should be able to destroy any jets/missiles near outer space. 100KW x 10 seconds = 1 million joules of energy poured into a metal over 10 sec or ~100K joules/sec. With 50% efficiency, thats 50K joules/second. Or ~100K degree celsius of temp heating up any metal/carbon composites.

>>16193555
It still won't light up like a commercial jet on SAR.

>>16192461
Starfield is ok, but it's barely a space game.

>>16193920
>Starfield is ok
Yeah that's a lie.

>>16193884
>powerful enough lasers (~100kw)
Imagine the radiators on something like that lol

>>16193953
If the laser sats are in low enough orbit, orbital drag will dissipate the heat. The thin atmosphere combined with giant radiator. Hell, you can even network swarm of sats that work together to function together.

imagine a single central laser weapon sat that has large enough radiator, but no power source (solar panel). accompanied by a fleet of 5-6 lasers whose sole job is to generate solar power and transmit laser power to the central laser wep sat.

>>16193884
Current laser defense systems are around 300kW and even those have limitations, they can burn through drones but they're not dumping power fast enough into targets to take out larger or fast missiles.

And that's at shorter ranges. If you fire them from satellites you'll have issues with dispersion, atmospheric perturbations and simply keeping a good aim on the targets while moving at high relative speeds.
We're talking about hitting coin-sized spots from 400km while moving at 7km/s.

>>16193953
You could have a thermal soak and radiate it slowly afterwards. It's not like would fire continuously, in LEO they'd only be over the target site for a short time anyway.

>>16193978
That's just retarded.

And PV has efficiency losses. If you beam a megawatt of light onto a central satellite you'd have to shed a lot of heat just from collecting it. Mirrors would have less loss, but you don't need those either. Just aim the 6 lasers jointly on the same target without the intermediate step.

>>16193986
>Current laser defense systems are around 300kW
>they can burn through drones
I think you added a zero there. The drone killing lasers are sub 50kw lasers that work in the atmospheric conditions. Usually ~10kw-50kw power range.

>>16193990
Yeah, sorry, I was mixing up categories. For mortars and artillery and missiles you want those 300kW

>>16193994
The ones on the navy are experimenting with ~100kw and possibly hoping for 300+kw. But the effective use case of all the mortal/missile destroyers right now are ~sub 100kw afaik. 300KW is just experimental push towards more range as they're trying to adjust ship power with it

>>16193854
Read the 2023 Space Force report, they already can temporarily blind KH-11s. The real question is how they can handle our new proliferated LEO architecture without straight up detonating nukes in orbit.

>>16193978
>If the laser sats are in low enough orbit, orbital drag will dissipate the heat. The thin atmosphere combined with giant radiator.

>>16194001
>The real question is how they can handle our new proliferated LEO architecture without straight up detonating nukes in orbit.
By hurling a few bags of tungsten ball bearings into orbit.

>>16194001
China's launching tons of sats to LEO and others too, compared to every other nation/organization (except for SpaceX). SpaceX is an absolute outliar.

>>16194015
have you considered that your proposal is easily countered by this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmosphere-breathing_electric_propulsion
just be below the ball bearings

>>16194018
>concept and design phase
I wouldn't bet my infrastructure on that just yet. Plus even if it does work it would make things more expensive.
And lowering their orbit also makes them easier to shoot down.

>>16194027
>lowering their orbit makes them easier to shoot down
only true when you're starting from a blank-slate design process on your ASAT missile, and Russia cannot design new weapons
their current weapons are sufficient for the task already, so going lower has zero effect on that

>>16194032
If they can use cheaper missiles to shoot them down that's not an improvement for the sats.
Making them more expensive and carry less payload is not an improvement.
Increasing their visibility due to constrained orientation and constant thruster firing is not an improvement.

It's a countermeasure with drawbacks. So yes, a few bags of ball bearings do mean a massive impediment. Though of course it's denial for both sides. But if the deployed capabilities are asymmetrical then the one with fewer assets in space will be tempted to just salt the earth for everyone.

>>16194047
there is no cheaper missile though, Russia only has a small handful of ASAT capable missiles
you can fucking look at what exists, this tradeoff is no longer real now that they've developed the big missile

Florida is burning...

>>16194049
You're only responding to a single point instead of looking at the whole point I'm making.

>>16194051
your argument falls apart without that single point, idiot
>>16194050
that happens from time to time

>>16192717
Yeah, we discussed it thoroughly in a previous thread

>>16192779
By a similar argument people with your name, age, address, SSN, height, weight and insatiable lust for gay sex are also extremely common.

>>16192802
>what went wrong?
you listened to NSF

>>16193148
Unless.... a second channel exists?!

>>16194156
not my problem

>>16193274
How many satellites would you need to image everything the size of an airplane on the whole surface of the earth, with enough resolution to see that they are planes?

Also, how does your gay system work at night, which is when stealth aircraft are deployed? Will you put spotlights on the satellites? How about weather? Just seed all the clouds on Earth all the time?

In conclusion may Elon have mercy on your soul because I know I won't.

Update: We ain't going nowhere

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kB6Z291U4W8

>>16194225
America has fallen

Happy memorial day eve! spend time with your family at the bbq, take the quads out to the lake, spend an evening at the roadhouse, and kick back at the cabin!

>>16194225
Is this your channel, anon?

>>16194225
>SpaceX is will delay Artemis by two years
Explain yourselves, Elon Stans.

>>16194277

IFT-4 Waiting Room Edition

Let's be very honest again, we don't have a commercially available heavy lift vehicle. Falcon 9 Heavy may someday come about. It's on the drawing board right now. SLS is real. You've seen it down at Michoud. We're building the core stage. We have all the engines done, ready to be put on the test stand at Stennis... I don't see any hardware for a Falcon 9 Heavy, except that he's going to take three Falcon 9s and put them together and that becomes the Heavy. It's not that easy in rocketry.

>>16194376
>It's not that easy in rocketry.
It was true in this case

>>16194225
>Artemis ground systems at kennedy space center used the old LH2 sphere for their mobile launcher cryogenic prop transfer test rather than the new one.
>The next test will involve a transfer of LH2 from the old sphere to the new one.
>The solar-electric propulsion thrusters needed for gateway modules needed for Artemis 4 (HALO & PPE modules) are currently undergoing testing.
>critical design review for PPE module happened in march this year.
>HALO module structure was completed in Italy last year, currently undergoing testing, after which it will be delivered to arizona in the latter half of this year.
>PPE & HALO are launching together as a co-manifested vehicle on an expendable falcon heavy. Launch date still to be announced, projected in 2026.
>Senate appropriations committee had budgetary hearing, sen. Nelson said Artemis 2 will start to be stacked this summer, core stage to be done this fall.
>Nelson also said that dates are dependant on spacex in response to asking about confidence of Artemis 3 projections.
>Nelson specifically mentioned "if we land", Mike Sarafin, Artemis 3 mission manager elaborated that Artemis may choose to offramp if lunar landing looks nonviable (what he means exactly by offramp is unclear).
>September 2026 for Artemis 3 will be challenging, both for SpaceX and for Nasa.
>Head of exploration systems mission directorate says that the Artemis 3 target date was aligned with Artemis 2.
>NASA has always planned for Artemis 3 to come one year after Artemis 2.
>Both Starship and the SLS+Orion are wildcards, either could have delays depending on future tests.
>Obvious alternative to a lunar landing, gateway, is also delayed.
>Gateway seems on track to launch in late 2026, which would be too late to support Artemis 3 in 2027, since gateway must take a one year transit to enter NRHO.

>>16194388
>Artemis 3 could be possible sooner if SLS could do away with second stage and have orion launch on core stage and dock with starship in orbit. Unclear how long the technical analysis for this would take.
>If NASA wants to launch Artemis 3 a year after Artemis 2, they probably need to announce the flight crew for Artemis 3 before Artemis 2 flies, since training for Artemis 2 began over a year(~18 months) before it was scheduled to launch.
>SpaceX is focused on reusability for IFT 4, won't attempt to restart engine in orbit. NASA is probably trying to calculate what they can do with Artemis in 2027 if starship isn't ready by then.

>>16194225
OH NONO ameribros Chinas going first this time... 80% of the world think apollo 11 was fake, so for the general public the first moon landing will be chinese

>>16194380
The give Bolden some credit, that quote was from 2014 and Falcon Heavy had such a difficult road getting to it's first launch in 2018 that Elon repeatedly considered canceling it. The only other common-core launch vehicles in service were the Delta IV Heavy and Angara A5, and neither of those had easy development cycles. The Atlas V Heavy never happened and the Vulcan Heavy almost certainly never will. Common core designs look like they'd be cheap and simple but they never seem to work out that way.

Ship do be lifting doe fr fr no cap on jah

>>16194388
>>16194391
Why is NASA putting up with this?

>>16194391
Lol just launch on Dragon if we're docking in LEO

>>16194482
They answer to Biden now, meaning completely unaccountable. When Trump is back heads will roll

>>16194496
Shut the fuck up you stupid /pol/ import nigger why dont you tell me what picrel is.

Politics is not spaceflight.

>>16194502
Rocket equation, seethe

Without politics, there can be no space

>>16194482
because it's the law

>>16194515

>>16194515
kek, this image has to be fake.

>>16194525
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/photo-captures-mike-pence-ignores-nasa-s-do-not-touch-n780576

>>16194525
7 years ago,how time flies

>>16194525
Hypernewfag

>>16194482
smallminded porkbarreling senators instead of men with vision holding the budget strings

>>16194544
How about I pork your barrel

v. porked, pork·ing, porks
v.intr.
Vulgar Slang
To engage in sexual intercourse with (another). Used especially of a man.

>>16192441
Redout if you can get behind unrealistic hover racing. The Neptune tracks are something special. Moon and Mars are also neat. I like that they built those tracks around the different gravity levels.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z55LhXQ9d7Q
I'm conflicted on the sequel.

>>16194508
Politics is to spaceflight what natural selection is to human beings.

>>16194347
>>16194277

>>16194391
>if SLS could
if monkeys could fly out my butt

>>16194536
Buddy ive been here for a decade and never seen the meme

>>16194587
Sure you have

>>16194590
I'm the anon who posts the spaceforce OPs

How did fungus evolve on Mars? Is this evidence of panspermia?

How would we know if life on Earth did not arise via abiogenesis?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkW2OJm_E5E
Thoughts?

>>16194600
there is no fungus on mars, you're a retard.

>>16194606
shill.

>>16194604
Don't care and I think we should drop spent stages on Russia.

>>16194600
> How would we know if life on Earth did not arise via abiogenesis?
We don't know that, but it seems like the most likely explanation? To be frank we still haven't even obtained great results from lab experiments about the origin of neuclobases from inorganic compounds. Also the shortest
self-replicating RNA molecule which we
ever synthesized is 165 bases long.

>>16194587
/sfg/ is 5 years old newfag

>>16194606
please refer to
>>16194600

>>16194660
Kek and he willingly posted >>16194598 like we wouldnt remember his last pant shitting meltdown when he couldnt even answer what the newfag filter was. Political OPs are so fucking cancerous, both the thread and its poster.

Proxima b may support life under an ice shell thin enough for partial sunlight to penetrate.

https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.3847/1538-4357/ace9b6

>>16194606

>>16194606
>there is no fungus on mars, you're a retard.

>>16194687
>>16194696
This tweet is, in every sense of the word, fake.

>>16194695
> le possible life on le red dwarf planet

>>16194695
>good_fellas_pop_sci_mindmush.jpg

>>16194733
Oh you did it for me >>16194737 I didnt realize ty xir.

>>16194696
Are there muffins on mars?

>>16194776
How do you stop it from floating into one of the surfaces inside and sticking there?

>>16194803
trust the science

>>16194376
We don't have a publicly available super heavy lift vehicle. Starship is real. Starship has, and you've seen 'em down at Boca Chica. We're building the zero, we're building the stage zero and boosters. Uh, we have all the engines already done ready to be put on the test stand at McGregor. Um, but I don't see any hardware for a Space Launch System ex-except that NASA's gonna take four engines, four museum pieces and put 'em together with a leaky hydrogen tank in a hurricane and that becomes the System. It's not that easy in rocketry.

>>16194803
since there's no gravity, the heat has no choice but to radiate its convection away from the heat source, so the muffin is forced to the center and held in place by opposing forces

>>16194168
>How many satellites for every airplane on earth.
Quite a bit.
But you’d only need enough for a couple hundred military craft, maybe even a few dozen, depending on the country and what you’re looking to target.
>Night
Optics can work in low light environments.
>Weather
Unreliable.

Idk you’re kind of getting strawman-y.
Do better.

Zubrin

>>16194776
of course

>>16194838
https://vocaroo.com/1iQPDDM2u3NP

>>16194776
yes

Does anyone else remember when they baked cookies on the iss?

>>16194853
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwaQCuhS8-Y

>>16194728
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0W5YtHUeGoI

>>16194512
>>16194502
>>16194496
YWNBAW

>>16194803
fans

>>16194880
Already am one. Mad?

>>16194894
no (yes)

>>16194894
please be in london

>>16194803
You're thinking of LEO gravity well effect. In actual zero g, everything should be static. With LEO, there maybe some strange/partial effects

>>16194803
Easiest would just to run a thin wire through your muffin balls and tie them taut to the oven walls.

>>16194913
where do we need to go for actual 0g? intergalactic space?

>>16194920
Outside of GEO, you have very little. In the interstellar space, outside of our solar system, there's very little pull. Outside of galaxies, etc.

>>16194923
and then i'll be able to eat my muffin?

>>16194926
No, you'll be dead

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45ANTNKTJ0s

>>16194894
gay guy alert
gay guy alert
there is a gay guy

i miss korou soyuz

>>16194913
You wouldn't be able to zero out the muffin's motion relative to the space station though, even in 0g.

>>16194976
what if we had inertial confinement lasers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAujF85aLC4

>>16192626
>at happening exactly once in the history of earth
sounds like retarddit soience

the Sol system seems pretty crap, a bunch of dog shit planets except for Earth and maybe Mars.
we are literally cursed unless we decide to travel to several of the near by stars.