/sci/ - Science & Math

Capitalism. If the private medical industry can profit from something, they will.

>>16136806
>The Soviet healthcare system was plagued by shortages of medical equipment, drugs, and diagnostic chemicals, and lacked many medications and medical technologies available in the Western world. Its facilities had low technical standards, and medical personnel underwent mediocre training. Soviet hospitals also offered poor hotel amenities such as food and linen. Special hospitals and clinics existed for the nomenklatura which offered a higher standard of care, but one still often below Western standards.
>for you, aspirin and vodka
>for me, special treatment with smuggled Bayer© chemotherapy drug-name™
In soviet russia some pigs were more equal than others.

>>16136814
>The Soviet healthcare system was plagued by shortages of medical equipment, drugs, and diagnostic chemicals, and lacked many medications and medical technologies available in the Western world. Its facilities had low technical standards, and medical personnel underwent mediocre training. Soviet hospitals also offered poor hotel amenities such as food and linen. Special hospitals and clinics existed for the nomenklatura which offered a higher standard of care, but one still often below Western standards.
>for you, aspirin and vodka
>for me, special treatment with smuggled Bayer© chemotherapy drug-name™
In soviet russia some pigs were more equal than others.

>>16136820
I thought the thread was about the US and currently existing countries

>>16136814
Yeah there's a lot of profit from leaving medical tools in your patients bodies after surgery

And yes I know your post is bait, but it's irresponsible given the at-risk low-IQ schizo demographics of this board. Do better and be more responsible with your shitposts in the future. I won't warn you again.

Because people make mistakes, and the fact that some mistakes are particularly awful does not make them any less likely to happen.

>>16136822
There's a lot of profit to limiting the # of doctors, making residents work 100+ hours a week, and surgeons work 36+ hour shifts. Don't pretend to be retarded

>>16136825
Read the OP

>>16136837
I have. Someone who hasn't slept in 2 days is much more likely to make a mistake like that

>>16136840
Ah so you're just retarded and have never been in medicine?

>>16136847
I guess I am for thinking overwork and a doctor shortage affects patient outcomes, yes

>>16136852
>Am I retarded for making shit up, then imagining consequences to shit I made up, then ignoring counterexamples?
At least ante the fuck up and pretend to be a surgeon

>>16136855
Do... do you really think I made up the residents working hours, or the length of trauma surgeons shifts, or the fact that we have a national doctor shortage? You can just google this stuff

>>16136806
They want to get the big doctor paychecks, but they don't want to output the effort necessary to earn what they're getting

>>16137974
The future of Europe

>>16136859
lol that shut him up

>>16136820
Anglo-Saxon England also lacked many of the medicines we have

>>16136806
It's because US doctors are overpaid for their skill level and arrogant.
My wife is an OR nurse and she routinely has to push back on one specific surgeon because he pressures techs to skip their counts.
Some doctors think they can do no wrong.

>>16136820
>In soviet russia some pigs were more equal than others.
They don't give to you the same med they give to the ultrarich. It's not even a conspiracy. They usually won't give treatments to you that cost more than 20'000 bucks because your insurance won't cover it and force them to go for the cheapest option. If you're rich, you can pay them yourself.

medicine has a huge moat that's supposed to stop the worst from becoming doctors, but it cuts both ways and protects those who get in and end up being incompetent

>>16136806
law of really big numbers
so many humans that the probability of things happening reaches 1

>>16136820
>Ukraine life expectancy 1989: 71 years
>Ukraine life expectancy 2010: 70 years
LOL
Lmao even

>>16136859
>>16138665
Still has nothing to do with the private medical industry finding a way of profiting from never events.

>>16139945
Nobody claimed that you fucking retard. Cutting costs and rent seeking creates conditions where never events are more likely

>>16140030
Wrong see the first posts.
>>16136806
>>16136814

>>16136806
>Leading cause of death are called 'never events'.

>>16140432
Doctors are exceedingly full of themselves.

>>16136814

>>16140644
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwO3TEj9-5g

>>16140489
They have to make up lies like that because they have nothing of genuine value that they do to brag about

>>16136806
>Open ended question
>Extremely radical take designed to arouse controversy
I see this exact format all the time for OPs. Is this a bot?

>>16142955
>ITS A CONSPIRACY!!!
https://www.psycom.net/paranoid-schizophrenia

>>16139865

Of what relevance is life expectancy?

>>16136814
The UK has fully universal, single-payer, taxpayer-funded, free-at-the-point-of-use for all, "socialised" medicine and still has "never events".
Try again.

>>16136806
>Are doctors a bunch of lackadaisical incompetent bunglers?
Doctors are low IQ, this has been proved time and time again. Anyone dumb enough to put their life in the hands of a doctor is going to get what they deserve.

>>16136821
>seethes because his shit commie icon is rightly criticized
>b-b-b-b-buut i wanted to shit on the weeest waaaah
rope

diversity being prioritized over competence, everywhere. even pilots and bus drivers. kinda spooky

>>16145075
Of what relevance is life expectancy to assessing health systems? Are you serious?

>>16146382
Sadly they are, the people who are here to shill their irrational political ideas are not here to discuss science, so they'll say any sort of dumb things to supposedly make a point

>>16146352
>diversity being prioritized over competence, everywhere
Not everywhere. Not on NBA basketball teams or Hollywood boardrooms. Its only prioritized in fields that white males excel at

>>16145115
UK is state capitalism.

>>16148299
no it isn't

>>16146382
>all races have the same inherent potential life expectancy
and they all have the same inherent potential intelligence too
my IQ is single digit btw

>>16150679
The various different races of humanity are all identical, evolution isn't real

>>16140644
The parents or the child should get at least some of that money, but the greedy doctors keep it all for themselves

>>16152241
this just goes to show how unscientific anti-racists are

>>16153593
Doctors are extremely greedy people, everyone who goes into medicine wants to be rich, but they end up frustrated because their wealth is always comparatively meager compared to the truly rich people, such as the insurance company bosses they work for

>>16156040
thats what happens to greedy people, they're never satisfied with what they've got and always want more.

>>16136806
>Are doctors a bunch of lackadaisical incompetent bunglers?
Med school eliminates high IQ students intentionally, they only want midwits to be doctors for the same reason they only want midwits to be cops

>>16136806
>Are doctors a bunch of lackadaisical incompetent bunglers?
Yes, they also take pleasure in occasionally murdering their patients and getting away with it

>>16158656
Back in the days before "Obamacare" doctors who make a bunch of mistakes and harmed people would get a bad reputation and nobody would go to them anymore, but now that we have socialism that no longer happens, so doctors are free to be as lazy and sloppy as they want

>>16136820
Soviet Union was not real Socialism.
Look to 1938 Germany for functioning Socialism.

>>16161236
Functioned so well. Undefeated system. Still the most relevant and righfully dominates the world now.

>>16158111
specifically they want compliant midwits

>>16162442
The compliant midwits' subservience comes at a cost, their hidden anger at playing the role of servant manifests itself as a desire to murder or otherwise harm their patients.

>>16136806
maybe, not telling you teehee

>>16164254
plz

>>16136806
Anybody can make mistakes like that. The reason they're never supposed to happen is you have multiple other people who are supposed to be paying attention. In short I blame the nurses, they're either whores or fat and lazy

>>16136820
Russians are piggish slobs. Is any of that bullshit fixed now that theyre capitalist? I'm sure its more or less the same.

>>16136822
>Do better and be more responsible with your shitposts in the future. I won't warn you again.
Its another janitor telling people on fun-chan to stop having fun episode.

>>16161238
Losing a military conflict doesn't have anything to do with how good or bad your internal economic policy is.

>>16165292
they're not entirely unrelated

>>16166382
for over half a century the usa has been involved in dozens of wars, outspent the enemy over 100:1 in each of them and lost every single conflict

>>16167693
>lost every single conflict
depends on what you consider their goal were.
israel has benefited greatly from all of those conflicts

>>16168526
America's contant war in the mid east only makes sense if you look at it in the context of jews running the USA government

>>16136806
>1 is entirely about a woman getting knocked up by non-Chad
>it's #1 on the list
Love from Kazakhstan

>>16169585
yeah, jews running the government is the only reasonable explanation for 50 years of military conflict in the middle east

>>16136859
>a national doctor shortage
Medical error is the leading cause of death, there is no such thing as a doctor shortage, the fewer of them we have the better off we all are.