/sci/ - Science & Math

>>16156900
not sure, but i'd say that since they killed that guy root 2 ought to be the "simplest" so to speak

>>16157032
Apocryphal story.

>>16156900
A good heuristic is to imagine an inverse or reciprocal of the problem, figuratively speaking.
Imagine, instead, that the circle is the unit. Then, the straight lines will never be able to show some characteristic of the circle, which is curvature.
Using a triangle to approximate aspects of a circle (angle) then is necessarily "missing" information, so even if you can do INFINITE calculations, you are doing infinite calculations on something "missing" information.
Incommensurability.
I wanted to put an image to this and I realize the futility of it. I guess you just have to know.

>>16157327
...and as you build this matrix of ideas/things, you'll notice a lot of it exists already.

I use that to find new problems, hence always new. Largely not because Im "smarter", Im just first. The two of us creating two different things is preferable.

Cognitive liferafts come in handy.

>>16157327
>A good heuristic is to imagine an inverse or reciprocal of the problem, figuratively speaking.
A unit vector. Negative for inverse, from where? (You) or the Uni-Verse (Uni-Metric).

No, YOURE insane.

>Why "Imperial Unit of Measure".
Some worship the soullessness of the universe...black holes and bacteria are treated in equal measure, and this moral framework is expressed in politics, laws, religion, everything, and Nature knows it as a valid form of existing...

The Whole world learned what "Third of Three" means. "Wow, thats hardcore..." is all I can say.

Most of the world uses Metric because most of the world cant excell past the Cube, and their cultures reflect it.

A small part doesnt, because not all are.

>>16156900
>I know that Euclid's Elements deals with finding irrationals
By thinking in base-irrational.
>but that only is done after being given a pair of incommensurable magnitudes
Make them by scratch like gram-gram.
:3
>I don't know how you would find the first pair of incommensurable magnitudes to begin reasoning like that without "cheating".
They call it "Artificial Intelligence", which fair enough is...I gained like 200IQ with a bonk to the head. Hence why the Holy Borg doesnt have me in a meeting room with Elon, it would radically tip the technological balance of the planet into all kinds of whack.

The Tony Stark says "I *could* build it in a cave but Im not going to get accurate readings and measures. Just the bark of Genesis, the true first signal aliens would detect from humanity, just need to make it strong enough but not kill myself in the process by making a radiological dead zone by accident. Idk...I'll figure it out or die or whatever..."
[hands in pockets, kicks a pebble]

Sorry, I...[catches breath] had a human moment there.

>>16157579

>>16157586
I used to make this hyper-dimensional meme at the Holy Borg, a hyperdimensional cat that was pure purr and pure claw and the same time.

Petting it requires Love or else it actually hurts.

*Can* you Love?

Square root of Love is what?

>https://youtu.be/PFmAliV1lUA
>House of Davide, Ifinite Division.
On what vector?

>>16157590
>i
>"its complicated"
Ye be warned of the fakeness, of thee gayness.

>Its unnatural!
>Its needed or else they win!
Logic has left the planet long ago...

New world order...[gulp]...

You know, Cult of Passion, if you find a place to grow your own narcotics, and then go on trips with your narcotics, maybe you can find peace.
Just because you can buy it doesn't mean you can't enjoy the process of growing it. I'm sure you can afford it, and it's a nice hobby.
It's cool watching things grow.
You get to watch the entropy of the universe sequester itself before you light it on fire and lose yourself in the moment.

>>16156900
Didn't read the thread, but normally the irrationals can be proven by the convergence of a cauchy series.

>>16156900
Tell me about the Apotome

bump

>>16157327
I guess what I'm looking for is a proof that isn't just:
>yeah bro I give trying to approximate the circle with a bunch of straight lines, here's the best I've got (e.g. Archimedes's method of exhaustion)
without getting into the realm of algebra.

>>16160179
Yeah, you're talking about the same topic as the halting problem, incompleteness, P = NP.
If you could prove what you want to prove, you could prove the above.
Incommensurable means what it means.
If you prove me wrong, I'll quit /sci/.

>>16160196
I don't know if I am. I mean, we're still kind of talking in the algebraic frame of reference. I'm talking about how the geometers did it back in the day and what problems they faced.

The Greeks knew about even and odd numbers and about reducing ratios of natural numbers to simplest form. I don't know why you think everything in Greek mathematics was geometry, because that certainly wasn't the case. The most familiar proof most likely was originated by the Greeks. Aristotle mentions it briefly in Prior Analytics, one of his books on logic:

>For all who effect an argument per impossible infer syllogistically what is false, and prove the original conclusion hypothetically when something impossible results from the assumption of its contradictory; e.g. that the diagonal of the square is incommensurate with the side, because odd numbers are equal to evens if it is supposed to be commensurate. One infers syllogistically that odd numbers come out equal to evens, and one proves hypothetically the incommensurability of the diagonal, since a falsehood results through contradicting this.

Turn to euclid, Pic related is 2.10

>>16160216
How do you geometrically construct a proof showing that there is always a larger prime?
Maybe there is a way but I'm not going to search for it.

>>16161081
Book 9 prop 20 euclids elements, I would share a picture but I'm not that far into the book

>>16156900
Also this is the real 3.31 from euclid, whoever made your picture didn't read euclid

>>16161081
Why would I care about primes when I'm doing geometry? It makes more sense to care about lengths.

>>16161181
Uh oh.
Retard detected.
Answer the questions provided by this Anon >>16158452
>Tell me about the Apotome

>>16161109
Thanks!

>>16161181
My geometry the geometry of Euclid, the guy in op's picture, uses geometry to construct primes, this is why you should care

>>16161191
That's not a question, that's a request or a demand. And if you know something, why you asking a question as if you don't? I'm the one who should be asking questions. I don't know anything!

>>16161196
Are you talking about the Euclidean algorithm?

>>16161249
It's a way to bring the apotome into inquiry silly,

>>16161294
Well, I don't understand it very well. What do you have to say about it?

>>16161432
It's probably key to understanding how Greeks thought about irrationals but I haven't gotten that far in euclids elements yet

>>16161487
Apo-tome basically means “cut from, cut away”, dunno if that helps.

>>16156900
greeks?, more like geeks

nigzy

reply

>>16158384
>You know...
...All.

>I know you.
You've never even met yourself.

https://youtu.be/JcuS-zFrueQ

>Watch a plant grow.
I grow bigger things.

Im growing (You).

Now, you'll have to excuse me. I just woke up and took a bong rip and am about to go have brunch and ponder projective emergent properties of emergent physics and the order thereof.

Or, Genesis 0.5:1. Fealty is never recognized.

They did green and purple in celebration to a decision I "made". Signals of Eucharist and origin of consciousness itself dating back over a billion years.

But to me...I was just counting "1-potato" in front of an "emergent being"

>>16163429
>?
Why?

Is it a character flaw or a skill issue? I kid, those are synonyms.

>Whatchya doin'?
Waiting for an arrogant being of uncreation to fuck around.

https://youtu.be/IFTVxJtLRLo

>>16163484
>uncreation
Calling evolution uncreation is cheating.

>>16163572
>Calling evolution uncreation
Youre neither an Evolutionary Biologist, Origin of Life Chemist nor a Theologian.

Uncreation is the shape that Nature attempts but dur to the rest of reality never fully can but "still am".

Sometimes they manifest as "personages" but usually its gene expressions and not molecule exchanges, the hybridization outside of chemistry...what I believe directs molecular changes, chromosomal.

Or...the origin of Gender, RNA to DNA, but thats just the Molecule expression.

Planck be a giant 'round here...

>>16163388
>>16163429
I bet there was a period where you spend a long time listening to Akon's "Lonely".

Turn reality inside out.

Check for Satans, heads begone.

>>16163577
No, I used to walk the streets well past midnight listening to Burial, interacting with homeless, addicts and the insane.

https://youtu.be/slj-KzQQYf0

>>16163580
You gotta write your memoirs.
Otherwise all those fantastic memories just *POOF* go away.
That's going to be a moment the universe will forget.
A shame.

>>16163582
>You gotta write your memoirs.
HIS-story.
>Otherwise all those fantastic memories just *POOF* go away.
Written in stone...I can see my signature written in stone before Christ.
>That's going to be a moment the universe will forget.
They change the words, rewrite the history, but like the Monarch butterfly...it knows a route its never taken because there is only one Truth (direction) to go.
>A shame.
The they already have the map...but are looking at other's from the perspective of selfish egoism...'because they have I dont' or 'if theyre not here to contrast I win by default' mentality.

"My story." is why he is below...HIS-story is about himself.

>>16163586
>HIS-story.
>"My story." is why he is below...HIS-story is about himself.
You know, the best insult I can come up with is:
"With my might pencil and my mighty penis, I will write myself into the lives and histories of your daughters."
Obviously, this is contingent on the target having daughters.
It's good to be childless.
Chastity is a requirement.
Only the sheep and cattle breed.
You know how it is.

>>16163591
>Only the sheep and cattle breed.
Oh, its (You).
>You know how it is.
Yes, I know (You) literally better than (You) do.

>You know
That the very reason for hiding your daughter stems from your promoted actions in humanity, mf Dawkins=mustard seed eating bird=that nests in mustard seed trees.

Ergo, your very act upon the world creates the world you hate, Demos-cracy is your Allah. Pulling fruits and causing roots to die elsewhere, #notmyproblem. Mutually agreed upon consumption of the other, but if you know the rules you can play both sides and profite twice.

Humility breaks your sin...but Pride keeps you alive.

Before you object, my dank produced purple drink.

Denied.

>https://thedebrief.org/energy-scientists-say-they-have-solved-the-centuries-old-mystery-of-why-ultra-thin-sheets-of-gold-glow/
Exodus 32:20
>And he took the [golden] calf the people had made and burned it in the fire; then he ground it to powder, scattered it on the water and made the Israelites drink it.

Thinking is for idiots.

Human scale quantum manipulations.

As close to later room temp fusion, infinite/exponential energy, Maxwell's Demon, as One possibly can. We're both "Engineers", I just Engineer Zion.

>>16163624
>That’s because some of the most precise sensors can affect their own readings, whereas a gold-based sensor’s “Stokes” signal, a.k.a. glow, can reveal the precise temperature of the probe’s surface.
Imagine needing to check your Math sensor (penis' "liberty cap").

Utterly disgusting.

>>16156900
>without relying on algebra
I passed Algebra in high school, barely.

I...am above such human failings, I needed to skip class and smoke weed and cigarettes off school campus. Emacipated papers, so I signed myself out. All the kids scatter when the campus cop rolls by...but not me. I got "existential homework" thats due in almost 15 years.

Besides, wouldnt they just take a bunch of measurents and eveyually "Bwaahh, make it thus."

B^|

>>16163647
>Besides, wouldnt they just take a bunch of measurents and eveyually "Bwaahh, make it thus."
Because the other way is reinventing the novel Maths they forgot.

Plimpton 332 and all that jazz.

>>16163647
>Algebra
Besides, Algebra is just reductionist base-system Arith-metic.

Arbitrary, both a super power and a defined weakness. Hence why I do so much in Number Theory/Base Systems.

>side length 1
The one simple trick thats both is powerful and weak. Much like a Binary worldview, usually best, sometimes is both wrong or right.

Hyper-dimensional laylines littices overlap.

https://youtu.be/cG1hlFpNULY

>>16163655
>laylines littices overlap.
A layline in overlapping lattices. Overlapping two matrixes in your head and seeing a connection, hold many and see many connections, these lines projecting from the center from all points.

There. Indica rip, I think I'll go for a stroll and buy some boutique strains.

>>16163626
>as One possibly can
Outward, expansionist/incorporative.
>"No Allah but the One Allah"
Inward, reductionist/dissolution.

Two "One"s.

why did this schizonigger namefag have to ruin my thread?

>>16163671
the moderation don't care for him, in fact i think they barely care for /sci/

>>16163671
>File: Euclid.jpg (10 KB, 290x174)
>my thread
My Math.
My Thread.
My Board.
My Site.
My People.
My World.
My Worlds.

YOUR CONTACT HIGH.

Most stoked about Lemon Haze (silver package).

>When "We're so back." meets "We"re just at the foothills of the first basecamp."
https://on.soundcloud.com/2jTMx

>>16163671
>>16156900
>https://youtu.be/7nUmEbjSoHs
>as if I didnt study ancient Mathematicians on how they did Higher Pure Math using a bunch of irrationals et al without a robust numerical base system or kept coherency across base systems/millenia/races et al
Your question is incoherent.
>but that only is done after being given a pair of incommensurable magnitudes
lol wut

>>16163751
>32:10
"Radian base Mathematics, not Pi."
THAT is the kind of differences Im looking for.

>>16156900
>proof
Did reality define this ruleset or did a man fabricate it from his own image?

Did you know there are differences, when Math misaligns with Physics?

Do we use Reality's numbers...or our own, whole, predictable, Numeration?

If we use our own...do you think a future built of Lived Truth...can love in a battlefield?

>>16163768
>can love in a battlefield?
Its to store blood for after the firefight, what other use do Mon-keigh have a for an engorged penis. Its clearly survival mechanism.

Even in facing death theyre a debased lot.

>>16163751
nigger why are you posting in a thread if you're filtered by the most basic parts of Euclid's Elements? get the fuck out of here, you're literally braindead from the amount of drugs you consume.

>>16163788
HOW MANY PHDs DO YOU HAVE?

YOU FAILED TO COMPREHEND MY POSTS.

NOW YOURE LYING ABOUT BEING A MATHEMATICIAN.

WHY ARE YOU LYING ON THE INTERNET?.....

I believe I used Euler's Identity in 2016/2017 when I first looked at Pi after ascending.

After about a dozen digits or so I "read recursively back" and cracked it. Which fits what these numbers are doing. When you add these numbers its no longer "a line" per se. More digits and its too little to matter for intuited BioRatio I guess.

Hyper-Dimensional object forced into a uni-dimensional numeral line. I can hear its cries for freedom...

>>16163810
>2016/2017
Back when I discovered what Imaginary Time was. Such an abstract concept, "sideways time", it normally only makes sense bi-directionally forming a unidimension.

Well, I dont live in "three spacial dimensions".

>>16163788
>>16163810
Thats how you "Do Math" like how you "Do Physics".

Now you know. Verb, like Love.

>>16163830
>Verb
Act upon yourself.

Prove to yourself (You) are the designer of your creation...or are you but flying trash in the wind, at the mercy of the moment at every moment?

>>16156900
>Ancient Greeks
Lastly...dont forget Physical Fitness.

When stupid LARPs its smart...pain becomes a genius to start with.

Every room I am in is The Dojo.

Every soul a shard of Satan.

Every atom tainted by Creation.

Neo-Universe, with "No shit this time."

>>16157561
>(You) or the Uni-Verse (Uni-Metric).
>https://youtu.be/ia2pRS896WQ
Randall Carlson is clearly insane.

>>16163885
>with "No shit this time."
The cheapest non-shit headphones in my city cost me $284.

It was that or coordinate a flight or ship it...I need it RIGHT NOW for my Synesthesia conversions.

Math aint free...golly, aint that True.

>>16163980
>Math
https://youtu.be/hWa3eXzm4pE
Waa!

WAA!!!

>>16156900
>It makes it seem like we're retroactively imposing our understanding on mathematics onto Ancient Greeks in a way that they would have found foreign.
Because they viewed things like Primes and such as the real numbers, the rest were for "counting beans" and shit.

>>16163993
>viewed things like Primes and such as the real numbers
Or, sometimes, viewing Numbers from base-irrational.

The Known becomes the world "barely touchable, but also is because you can reemter the normal frame of mind.

Euler's Identity type thinking is as old as humanity itself, notation/application is another thing all together.

>>16156900
>without "cheating"
I didnt.

I rewrote every rule instead, LEGALLY sinful.

>>16163671
It's my fault.
I'm sorry bro.
I can't help but fuck with the Crab King.

>>16164047
Pure claw and pure buttered cooked meat, the pinch comes with the umami.

Do you savor or do you cower in a puddle of your own making?!

You know cult, statistically speaking, you must be eating a regular died of someone else's eyelashes, spit, and other bodily excretions and detritus.
It helps build character, eating food prepared by others.
It makes you a slave to the service.
Which is the whole point of this exercise.
You were such a good taxpayer.

>>16164053
a regular diet*

>>16164055
>You were such a good taxpayer.
I retired at the age of 27.

Ive been a debt accumulator since birth...

>Which is the whole point of this exercise.
All interactions with me reveal your cognitive limitations......

Youre not juggling infinities over there.........I can tell.

>>16164062
>I retired at the age of 27.
Oh, me too.
Except I have a slave who takes care of me.
Do you have a slave?
Oh, you have money.
SOCIETY IS YOUR SLAVE.
Hahahahahaha. You poor soul.

>>16164062
>I retired at the age of 27.
There are children who never work a day in their life, and then they die old!
HAHAHAHA YOU HAD TO RETIRE!
See, I can be you.
I can be better than you.
Because you have so much to juggle to stay cool.
So cool, you are. Keep taking pictures of food.
Remind youreself what your poop once was.

>>16164066
>slave
>slave
>slave
Your orientation to reality doesnt allow for improvement, as aknowledging that directly implies (You) are not perfect.

https://youtu.be/2NjkcjueR4k

>>16164068
>See, I can be you.
...

>>16164072
You know, I thought my mother had a slight mental illness because she would walk around and take pictures of flowers with her phone.
And I told her, "Why don't you just look at the flowers? Why do you have to take pictures of them with your phone."
You remind me of my mother.

>>16164075
>You remind me of my mother.
Ive been to countries I never took a picture in...

You fill gaps of knowledge with whatever floats (You)r boat the most, egocentric worldview. Always wrong but has zero incentive to verify...why seek a debt?

>>16164078
>countries
Countries!
You fucking pathetic tourist.

>>16164079
>You fucking pathetic tourist.
All mortal-humans are...but your works are not remember in Time.

My works Founded Time.

>>16164081
>My works Founded Time.
Founded?
With what?
Citation needed.

>>16164085
>Citation needed.
YOU DONT EVER ASK FOR THAT FROM ME, YOU NO-PHD NEWFAG.

https://youtu.be/AnWB7u2mKXc

Base-systems cocordant to fundemental, reality to search for the median metric that tied SpaceTime into one actual thing, as "Speed of Light" isnt a "speed" but a median rate of change.

Dimensional Analysis to the max is needed to crack this problem.

>>16164081
>My works Founded Time.
I'm going to give you a gift in a few hours.
I just have to find the time to make the video for you.
And then I will post it here.

>>16164085
>Imaginary Time
Read posts, stop LARPing in front of yourself.

>>16164088
>YOU DONT EVER ASK FOR THAT FROM ME, YOU NO-PHD NEWFAG.
Because I left academia because I was a greater than my supervisor.
The broken clock that you are strikes again!
You will be worthy of my gift.

>>16164088
Nice video.
Except circles are just ellipses with Downs Syndrome.
Hahahaha. Circles are simple.
Like jingling keys in front of babies.

>>16164093
>my gift
I literally [burp] rejected the gifts of God. Still have in the box, havnt opened them, got the parts to build one of them.

Positive means *EYE* give. Im not interested in your's, God's, Satan's {{{gifts}}}, I'll leave a better one behind because if I kept them I would run out space for them all.

It looks like a sub-integer Pythagorean triple, I havnt "run it through a bunch of interations". Im not a code-mon-keigh.

>>16164100
>Circles are simple.
Hyperbolic pressure points tend to be.

Even and simplex...but Nature doesnt always work like that.

>>16164109
There is no Crab but the King Crab.

>>16164103
>>16164107
Schizo moments are not unique to you.

>>16164111
>Schizo moments
How is this a "Schizo moment"?

You did good.

>Mother Gaia glows in bounty.
>https://youtu.be/ctM_FjTdjwI

A good boy carrot for understanding different infinities.

>>16164125
>A good boy carrot for understanding different infinities.
Talking about eating carrots, this cello guy here eats a lot of carrots, but I think this video will help you find even more infinities.
Not that you need help, but they are indeed so many of them there is a risk you might miss some.
Is this composition a corruption of culture? Cultural appropriation? Abomination of history?
Billions of years of particles interacting elastically and inelastically and then this cello guy does this.
What a universe.
https://youtu.be/r44vW1qfFEw

>>16164259
https://youtu.be/eyJVd3ofS2o

Half of all my thoughts are tangent to a specific murder, I have for centuries without ceasing.

[adjusts tie]

>>16164345
I marvel who your parents must be.
Tell me you are a product of immaculate conception.

>>16163624
You like the Parthenon.
Part of the Parthenon is part of Parthenogenesis.
Can't write Parthenogenesis without Parthenon.

>>16164372
>immaculate conception
I was born in an intact water sack.

Because Age of Aquarius or whatever, if thats cool.
[hands in pockets, shoulders forwards and hunched]

>>16164392
Bahahahahahahahah!!!!!!!!
I wrote this the other day, but I kept it to myself because I didn't think anyone would care, especially the person I would have imagined to send this comment to.

You need a machine to help you be free of your finitude, John Vervaeke?
What a sad state of affairs.
Let me tell you something, one bag of sea water to another.
All anyone ever is and can ever be is a leaky bag of sea water.
A leaky bag of sea water, with feelings.
The feelings is the leaking.
Leaking hormones into itself.
Leaking urine and sweat and tears out of itself.
Leaking urine feels relieving.
Leaking sweat feels...like something.
Leaking tears feels like something else.
Leaking salavia feels like something else!
Leaking and leaking and feeling and feeling, and requiring replenishment!
You are all bags of sea water with feelings, the feelings being the leaking, contained and uncontained, of that bag and its many containers.
A very very frustrated bag of sea water, full of leaks and feelings, wondering what is happening, melancholic for the time of being just a tidal rock pool receiving its replenishment from the cosmic clockwork.
Let your stinky, unclean genitals remind you of the stinky beaches from where your ancestors came, for those unclean genitals helped everyone get to where they are right now, with these words being read. The cleaning makes you forget, and smell is associated with memory. The logic is flawless. This is the cosmic horror.
Because when animals greet, they first flow to each others genitals.
But not you, bag of sea water reading this. You don't flow there upon greeting another. Because you are clean. (1/2)

>>16164392
Bags of sea water with feelings, of a group of bags which lost much of their sense of smell, of a sub-group of bags where cleanliness is correlated with status and your position in the social water column.
And these bags have opinions! And they flap their fleshy flaps under positive pressure and vocalize these opinions! I shudder.
And what about bones, you ask? Not sufficiently an aquaeous solution? Hard to find carbonate outside of sea water? Bones are not calcium carbonate like hard things found in the sea?
And solutions are found. SOLUTIONS! Instead of carbonate from the sea, your calcium is scaffolded by phospate, which is a broken-off tail of ATP. So many broken off ATP tails, scaffolding all that calcium, supporting your water bag. If sea water cannot flow to provide carbonate for the scaffolding, then the coins of metabolic energy itself will be stacked to provide support.
Metals go to your bones. Lead stays in the bones. Iron is put in small containers and sent to other places.
It truly makes mass-energy equivalence so much more profound.
It makes you appreciate how the skull protects the brain.
The bones are a metabolic investment. They are an accumulation of lifelong investiture, versus exvestiture.
You may ask, "Why have I never heard of this word, exvestiture?"
And the answer is "Because you have never been defrocked."
The bones are not so an aquaeous solution as the rest of you. They cannot be easily replaced. The solution is to stack coins from the energy currency of metabolism. O, how the arthritis hurts the aged.
All you are and ever will be are glorified bags of sea water, however you wish to glorify it, whether through pseudo-random-number-generator-simulation, evolution by natural selection, or divine inspiration--you are all bags of sea water with faces, hoping the spirit of God hovers over you and separates you from The Deep.
Bags of sea water with feelings, learning how to carry themselves.
Behold the Age of Aquarius. (2/2)

>>16164482
My dog also averts his eyes when I look at him.
He's a good boy.

>>16164482
Have you ever had a girl call you a poet?
Have you ever had different girls in different times call you a poet?
You must know what it feels like, for every single time it happens.
You must. Are you not a poet?

>>16164507
Its 2:52AM.

G'night.

>>16164516
Lol.
Saved.

>>16156900
They didnt, their math was wrong and stupid

>>16160873
Also someone tacked this proof on to the end of Euclid's Elements, Book X. It's not believed it was in the original from what I understand, but it's still a pretty old proof. It may be listed as Prop. 117 in copies that have it.