/sci/ - Science & Math

CommonSneed doesnt understand that the atmopshere gets thicker as you go down. in his latest video he says the starship cant aerobrake because in OFT3 it broke up before slowing down

>>16130095
he is so completely clueless he isn't even wrong

hahaha look at this silly blue fox

>Immediate discussion of EDSers
>Furnigger
Thread immediatly ruined.

daily reminder its called orbital re-FILLING

>>16130201
Oxidizer should be considered fuel
Debate me

>>16130203
why would I debate you when I agree with you?

>>16130203
Theres nothing to debate. Its the truth.

Watch out Elon

https://x.com/tss_space/status/1778601421958512934?s=46&t=ySaWSLoZU6lwZ7u03-FcBQ

>>16130224
long way to go meaning they have a powerpoint?

>>16130224
Elon should immediately start applying for minority owned business status as an African immigrant.

>>16130224
Their Falcon heavy clone is called Big Hussle 33, and their Falcon 9 clone is called Nipsey Sky

>>16130224
damn, how are they supposed to afford a rocket when they can only afford a ps2 for the render?

>>16130224
>website literally asking for gibs
this is actually a VC scam. not even like
>oh we have a long way to go but we will make a rocket
like literally just a straight pop up immediatly asking for gibs and another page dedicated to investors.

>10 polygon rocket render
>immediatly buys the $1k/month twitter check
>run by a nigger
>why them section literally only talks about BLM alignment
>based in utah somehow trying to help continental africans
>rocket is literally called "the big hustle"
>website immediatly asks for gibs
>pinned tweet is all about "le black owned businesses" and whitey bad
holy shit WE HAVE A NEW ARCA EVERYONE THIS IS NOT A DRILL I REPEAT THIS IS NOT A DRILL

>>16130224
Which one of you paid for this kek

>>16130242
forgot to mention
>immediatly talking about mars
>bought likes and retweets on pin
>no talk about actual plan with company and rockets/target market
>no numbers given AT ALL on page
>both rockets pages has literally one sentence to explain it
>rockets likely from fiverr
>things misspelled or incorrectly capitalized throughout the entire website
>likely only in english because native africans dont have money to scam
>DOESNT EVEN SAY WHERE THE LAUNCH PAD IS OR WHERE THEY ARE WORKING FROM
>I CANNOT STRESS THIS ENOUGH, 10 POLYGON FUCKING ROCKETS THESE ARE NOT AERODYNAMIC AT ALL
KEEEEEEEK LOOK AT THE FOURTH REPLY ON THIS TWEET
https://x.com/tss_space/status/1778601421958512934

it's going to get billions in funding isn't it? why aren't we scamming investors?

Thats it the next /sfg/ edition is TSS Edition. Im going to take >>16130255 this image, shoop the Big Hustle on to his dick and that will be OP.

>>16130257
Even I could make a website look way more fucking legitimate than this for a spaceflight startup. How can you not include ANY details at fucking all in your website if youre going to scam? Atleast give the VCs the tiniest sliver of hope that you might actually have a rocket. If anyone gives this nigger gibs then they deserve to be scammed.

WAIT THE OWNER IS LITERALLY A 50 FOLLOWER SOUNDCLOUD RAPPER NO FUCKING WAY

>>16130224
really hope we get to see some mock ups
https://www.udio.com/songs/8E5TqMC4rYZgHXvhzufhBn

>>16130270
You laugh but he’s doing more than you for spaceflight, buddy

>>16130277
By bankrupting retarded VCs? Id be inclined to agree

>>16130224
Mmmm, can i have some more of them polygons?

>>16130224
Wait I just noticed this was an ad lmao.

Bill's on
https://www.nasa.gov/nasatv/

https://x.com/jeff_foust/status/1779917498357346559
As expected, MSR is in deep shit

>msr has a 2040 return date
holy shit. it was that bad??? we would probably already be on mars for a few years at the point with the pace that spacex is currently ramping at.

>>16130288
>There are so many other programs that are important... Dragonfly... Uh... That's just one
Lmao

>>16130297
Dragonfly isnt even important, Bill. ITS NOT GOING TO THE FUCKING LAKES. CANCEL MSR, CANCEL DRAGONFLY, MAKE A REAL TITAN PROBE OR DONT MAKE ONE AT ALL. GET BACK TO MAKING ICE GIANT PROBES YOU STUPID FUCKS

Is Universe Sandbox worth the full asking price? Always kind of skeptical about early access stuff (especially those running on Unity) but it seems like a potentially useful tool for simulations at an indie level since it's been around for a while.

Mostly just salty about the fact they bumped up the price from $25 to like $35-$40 in PLN on top of the fact I narrowly missed the last discount during March.

>>16130289
>current mission design
They actually have a design and not just some vague ideas about how all this was gonna work?

JPL IN SHAMBLES

MARS MAFIA OVER

>captcha

>>16130289
Holy shit how embarrassing. Turns out grifting and tanking the economy are bad! Who knew??? (not politicians, obviously)
I hope China accelerates their own Mars sample return, even if it’s 1 measly gram of regolith. Light a fire under Congress’s ass.

>>16130306
Look on key sites, CDkeys has it for about 40% cheaper than Steam.

>>16130306
is it still in early acess? I got that game like 8 years ago

>>16130296
Nelson even said as much

>>16130308
I think I saw a video of a prototype rocket flinger for the return ascent vehicle. not sure why they needed to fling it but it was a nifty piece of added complexity

>More traditional, tried and true architectures
More oldspace bullshit, perhaps?

Cancel MSR

god this conference is so fucking cringe

>>16130317
Still in early access. Graphics aren't as important to me here as just being able to get some decent or approximate simulations (to have fun with making fictional star systems) but it still seems to look the same as it did then.

how do they expect to do this mission for $5billion when SLS costs $4billion?

>>16130322
This is code for “cost-plus contracting”—and anyone who thinks we need $+ just to retrieve a few tubes of soil should be charged with treason, embezzlement, and racketeering.

>>16130313
>even if it’s 1 measly gram of regolith
This is the thing nasa has never understood about this, they wanted the the samples for science so they want a wide spread or whatever, whereas if they'd just grabbed a random pebble and returned it to earth everyone would have gone nuts.

>>16130316
I remember Eneba and G2A having keys for like $20. Regardless of how legitimate those sellers are.

>>16130336
I've not bought anything from G2A for awhile but CDKeys has been good to me recently.

>hi I'm british have you considered adding more international partners to the program
lol

>>16130327
If you shift numbers around and ignore a bunch of stuff, SLS is only $2 bil per launch. Yes it’s sleazy but my point is that NASA can do whatever it wants. Cost really isn’t the issue (you just need to get congress to give you the greenlight—their checkbook is infinitely deep for all intents and purposes)
The real bottleneck is time and capability. MSR could be allotted $10 bil and it still wouldn’t change the fact that NASA needs to develop some kind of retrieval system. At this point their best bet would be to just give SpaceX a flat, fixed-cost contract and say “get it done pls!!” but they know this isn’t realistic. Congress wants to see huge checks shelled out to Lockheed Martin, to Honeywell, to zip ties & more in the middle of bumfuck nowhere Illinois, etc.

>>16130309
>goy swag

Oh fuck off we need LESS international cooperation on this thing. The fuck are you going to do, bong?

Fox lady very keen to avoid that Starship question hmm

JPL SEETHINGG

>Giving parts of MSR to someone other than JPL
Hallelujah

>>16130348
SpaceX just needs to make an offer they cant refuse. Simply pay for the flight to Mars and a little extra paycheck at around $1b and our astronauts will grab all the samples you want. As a bonus, we can bring back Ingenuity for study/preservation!
Keep in mind the $1b price is like the 14 refuel flights plus the trip out there.

>>16130344
Literally just get one of the test Mars Starships to pick up percy and bring it home, it's just that easy.

>>16130355
you underestimate nasa's ability to refuse offers. they'll turn down everything spacex offers until the rocks are on starship on their way home. and only then will they pay to save face and say they got the rocks back first.

>If flagships are always over budget, why wasn't this taken into account at the beginning?
>Nuh-uh! Parker Solar Probe!!! Next question
Absolutely embarrassing

5lbsackbros…

>>16130358
that Fox lady is a bit of a bitch imo

>>16130355
that’s not realistic politically

NELSON IS SO FUCKING COUNTRY SOUTHERN STEREOTYPE LMAO

she is so done answering reporters questions

Has Eric/Foust asked a question yet? I hope they deliver the upper cut and ask outright why the program is so SHITTY

>>16130366
Foust did yeah

>if jpl has the answer jpl will be sitting pretty, but were opening this up to everyone
thank you bill. very cool

>we’re not retrieving all the samples
BWAHAHAHHAHAHAHHHAHAHAHAHAHHHAH

The whole thing was riding on the fact that "they already gave us shitloads of money, they surely will give us more". Now that there's no such money the whole thing collapsed.

>>16130366
clark asked a question for ars

>>16130366
the reporters from Discovery network always ask the hardest questions and you can tell they always make Bill mad hahah

>>16130340
>G2A listings going for around $18-$21
>PaySafeCard also now listed as a payment method
I might just opt for G2A this time around, though I've never bought anything from there before.

>We were put in this situation because of congress! Not our shitty architecture!

>>16130382
>We thought we would have figured it out by now...

If landing humans on Mars is the ultimate goal of this “Moon to Mars architecture” then WHY PRIORITIZE A PROHIBITIVELY EXPENSIVE VANITY PROJECT TO GET A FEW GRAMS OF SOIL IF YOURE SENDING HUMANS THERE ANYWAYS?!?!?!?!?!?!

>>16130388
Embezzlement is easier that way

Conspiracy theorists believe in a powerful, deceitful, invincible NASA because the real truth of just how impotent, politically irrelevant and constrained NASA is in the 21st century is too difficult to accept

>>16130355
>SpaceX
>Mars
>astronauts
>bring back
>>16130356
>test Mars Starships
>bring it home
you're literally delusional. none of the first starships will return. it requires gigawatts of power for two years, ice mining and a propellant farm to fill one up.
a starship MSR architecture would contain a return rocket in the payload bay.
depending on some large scale Mars colonization effort with dubious financial backing for MSR would push it back beyond 2040 instead of accelerating it and would certainly cost more than 5 billion

>>16130388
They probably don't believe themselves that they will get humans there in this century

interesting how MSR fell apart after they tried going the ISS/artemis route of making it too big and too international to cancel. maybe a new meta's about to drop.

>>16130278

>>16130394
Theres probably only room for 1-2 programs like that max given the limited size of the budget, JPL just lost out this time

>>16130393
they figure that it's not going to happen before they and all their friends retire so they aren't going to bother trying

>>16130398
Damn that’s probably the truth. MSR has been on the NASA drawing board as a serious idea since at least the 90s. Everyone is probably convinced that it “has” to happen, and they’ll be damned if they retire after 30 yrs without their “last big one” going through.

Elon should just stop work at SpaceX and Tesla now.
Since he believes AI will be smarter than a human in 1 year and smarter than all of humans in 5 why would you bother with any of this.

>>16130403
Fuck off we’re raising pitchforks against MSR right now, not (you) farming

>>16130403
it's more fun than AI

>>16130403
Mars will be the birthplace of the real Butlerian Jihad

>>16130403
that doesn't take into account the cost of running the AI in one year, if you need a powerplant and so on it might still be cheaper to have engineers
5 years is also quite a bit of time away and in not in any way guaranteed to happen

if the main hard part of nuclear fusion power is containment, does that mean a fusion engine would be easier than a fusion reactor?

>>16130289
10 bil too much and 2040 too long

>>16130422
https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/1779928817521299542

>>16130422
>2040
They could just hitch a ride on a starship heading back.

>>16130419
AI as intelligent as a human will take another decade.
Llms are language first so it's deceiving even though they are literally stupider than a chicken.
Refer to Elons self driving car predictions for how massively retarded he is about the hardness of AI problems.
Reminder that a car is as good as a human when it crashes once every 100,000 miles fully unsupervised.

>>16130427
>AI as intelligent as a human will take another decade.
>Everyone dumber than current AI isn't human.
pretty racist

>>16130289
Looks like SpaceX will complete MSR after all

>>16130431
Nobody is dumber than current AI. Not the most retarded nigger in the world.
The same way no human is dumber than the smartest dog.
You're just confused by the veil of language proficiency.

>>16130422
>>16130424
>>16130289

I wish this was about the SLS. MSR is kind of meh, in my opinion.

>>16130326
they've been focusing a lot more on the planetary side of the simulation

>In a followup MSR town hall meeting, NASA's Sandra Connelly outlines the revised architecture that would allow a 2040 sample return: Earth return orbiter launch in 2030, sample retrieval lander (now with an RTG) launching in 2035. The Perseverance rover would return to Jezero Crater in 2028 and go into "quiescent" mode to await the lander.

lmao

>In a followup MSR town hall meeting, NASA's Sandra Connelly outlines the revised architecture that would allow a 2040 sample return: Earth return orbiter launch in 2030, sample retrieval lander (now with an RTG) launching in 2035. The Perseverance rover would return to Jezero Crater in 2028 and go into "quiescent" mode to await the lander.

>>16130444
>>16130445
This is when NASA HQ went yeah fuck this shit and opened it up to everyone not just JPL

>>16130444
If you could, show us your personal contribution to this matter or how you would improve things.

>>16130301
they said dunes first then maybe lakes iirc

>>16130463
just Starship brah, its simple

>>16130438
The absolute seething.

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>>16130444
I am the most pro nuclear fag on this general but this thing does NOT need an RTG. Added cost for nothing. Waste of resources.

>>16130476
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>>16130477
what the fuck were they smoking

Fuck now Im torn, do I do >>16130262 this or do I make it MSR is Over Edition?

Can someone explain to me why there isn't a national focus by the world hegemon to install a giant SETI radio telescope on the far side of the moon? Having such a powerful telescope in a stable place to feed large amounts of data in great resolution seems like a stupidly useful tool to have. Imagine if you just dedicated a whole portion of the moon to astronomical facilities with giant ground-based radio, infrared, optical, and x-ray telescopes.

Someone I just wish 95% of man-made shit and whatnot could just be deleted and then rebuilt to be as efficient and clean as possible, followed by homogenizing every nation to stop wars, followed by a calm, clean, organized national and international focus on productive space programs with each nation specializing in a specific task.

NASA as we see it right now often feels like the prime example of how much of a clusterfuck of Earth-level schemes and jewing is holding back the scientific advancement of humanity.

>>16130484
Because the “ETI” part of SETI doesn’t even exist

>>16130484
>Can someone explain to me why there isn't a national focus by the world hegemon to install a giant SETI radio telescope on the far side of the moon?
We actually take this whole representative government thing seriously and so Congress needs to be treated like spoiled children and tricked into eating their vegetables (supporting science).

>>16130484
>homogenizing every nation
kek retarded shill

>>16130463
nta but just going from some numbers i found in 2 minutes on ntrs:
-a pressure-fed hypergolic rocket designed to take a 20kg payload from the martian surface into orbit would have a propellant mass fraction of ~.83 and a wet mass of 313 kg.
-if we assume 2500 m/s for a return burn from orbit and the same propellant mass fraction of .83 for the additional propellant, and a 320s ISP, then that bumps the initial mass on the surface up to ~760kg.
i think my numbers are conservative. since percy was over 1 ton a skycrane could easily place this thing on the surface and it could do direct ascent back to earth, with no need for any orbital rendezvous or a second return vehicle. that leaves the problem of loading the samples into the rocket, but i'm pretty sure you don't need a heavy rover for that. sojourner was 11.5kg and that was with 25-year-old tech.

>>16130340
>>16130379
CDkeys usually goes for cheaper than G2A from what I've seen, but if you're intent on using prepaid vouchers you're SOL. Though it's about a $3 difference between the two as far as the sellers for Universe Sandbox are concerned.

>>16130488
If you enact population transfers, repatriation and resettlement programs just like at the end of WW2 but for every nation on this planet you eliminate 99% of wars. This is crucial for any local or worldwide space effort. How exactly is this a shilling effort?

JPL MSR is dead, long live commercial MSR

>>16130486
>Because the “ETI” part of SETI doesn’t even exist
Who cares, it's just a brand name. Besides who doesn't want a giant fuckoff series of telescopes powerful enough to see what's out there better than anything that could be built on Earth?

>>16130203
the word you're looking for is "propellant".

>>16130505
>350m dish drawn as being 350km

>>16130499
science is done by a very small percentage of the world population relatively speaking and that percentage is falling rapidly
if you do that what you say, it doesn't really matter if there are wars, no space effort is going to happen regardless
every country would be like south africa

>>16130506
Is stored in the balls

>>16130512
>if you do that what you say, it doesn't really matter if there are wars, no space effort is going to happen regardless
BUT THINK OF THE BENEFIT FOR HUMANITY!

I'm excited for the future, my friends

>>16130517
what is the benefit? and no, wars would not stop either, all you would accomplish is basically delete europeans

>>16130316
>>16130336
>>16130340
Success, managed to get it off G2A for around $21 from Vikingsbrothers w/ PSC. Can't wait to install and try to simulate some fictional star systems. Been waiting so long to get this along with Elite Dangerous. Nice that the storage requirements are also pretty modest.

Also just to be clear, the whole Universe Sandbox ^2 thing is just an update for the existing game? Everything seems to link to the existing game on Steam.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1779947903093776406

> As Sagan said, "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." In turn, Mars Sample Return requires innovation.
>In response to September's independent review board, we're rising to the challenge of an updated mission design to attempt to get samples back sooner, cheaper, and more simply: https://go.nasa.gov/49EX6HU

>>16130306
Yes, I personally know a PhD who uses it for visualizations of his theories. It used to be a lot rougher than it is now, but it seems like the devs are really putting in work.

>>16130526
>terraria
>counter strike
Based

>>16130528
THEY'RE GOING FOR ITTT

>>16130522
>by preserving Europeans all you would accomplish is basically deleting Europeans

>>16130528
SAGAN NEVER SAID THAT

ITS A COMMON MISSATRIBUTION

NASA LIES, LIKE ALWAYS

>>16130528
>To achieve the ambitious goal of returning the key samples to Earth earlier and at a lower cost, the agency is asking the NASA community to work together to develop a revised plan that leverages innovation and proven technology. Additionally, NASA soon will solicit architecture proposals from industry that could return samples in the 2030s, and lowers cost, risk, and mission complexity.

based

>>16130533
homogenizing every nation? what the fuck do you mean by that
if you homogenize earth, that means you delete europeans

>>16130335
Grab two rocks.
>one for destructive sambling
>one for the President's desk
instant funding faucet

>>16130533
>European as a unified concept
lol
lmao even

>>16130530
I don't really play Counter-Strike anymore, I discovered Unreal Tournament and Quake and am a much happier man now. These games at least indirectly also fuel my thirst for space exploration. Don't know enough about Na Pali to simulate it though.

Will probably immediately try to simulate the plausibility of the Cybertron's system (Hadean) and Krypton's system (Rao) as soon as I boot up the game based off memory and the notes I've collected before moving on to other fictional star systems.

>>16130528
haha get em Elon

>>16130538
>>16130542
Homogenizing every nation = every nation has a homogenous population. Ethno-states would be a human and constitutional right for everyone on the planet. This would eliminate the primary driving factor between wars, tribes competing over shared living space and resources as well as things like irredentism and centuries old hatred between different groups. This is to prevent habitat destruction and encroachment. When you have children that are behaving badly, you need to separate them in order for the adults to get work done.

Without the prospect of ETI or any answer to the Fermi Paradox being in sight any time soon as far as we know, it is counter-productive for resources, time, and manpower to be wasted on forever wars driven by these classical factors and those looking to manipulate them. Everyone needs to go home so that people can actually focus on doing the important work (forwarding the cause of science and space programs and securing the necessary resources and funding). It will be infinitely easier to do this when people are not being pitted against each other over geologically trivial matters that exhaust unnecessary amounts of resources.

Congress pulling funding for the Chandra X-ray Observatory (despite costing less than an F-16 with comparably less expensive upkeep for a one of a kind piece of technology) is just another brick in the wall of this wastefulness humanity is being drowned in, and it's latest example of stagnation.

>>16130548
Seething at strawmen scenarios
absolute masterclass in delusion from spacefag5 as always

>>16130548
You have to go back

>>16130548
haha yeah this is totally going to happen. just like they did with dragon and then crew dragon

>>16130528
is red dragon back on the menu?

my prediction fpr the winning bid is a price tag between $1.5 and $2 billion and a return date of 2033. hopefully this is JPL's waterloo.

>>16130533
delightfully counter-intuitive

>>16130548
man this dude is permanently assdamage lmaoo

>>16130561
I think I know why

>>16130326
I havent loaded it up since playing it loads in my late teens, back then systems would break down if you increased time warp too much so it was impossible to actually simulate anything over deep time, thats why i stopped playing, I dont know if thats been changed.

>>16130561
Ill give you some permanent ass damage

>>16130572
gey

>>16130548
sussy username ඞ

>>16130526
universe sandbox 2 was a sequel to the first simulation but they later rebranded it to "universe sandbox"

Crazy how fast ksp2 came and went. Does it even have a fanbase?

it's finally here

>>16130585
player numbers were around 300 after launch but they rose to around 500 or so after the science update
I would imagine that the Colonies update will bring back even more people since it will introduce new content that the first game didn't have

>>16130585
I played it. I enjoyed it for what it was. I ran out of stuff to do.
the campaign is pretty short and there's not as much to do for self imposed challenges and I don't really like the changes they made to streamline science. I hope the devs* don't abandon it. I'll probably put in another 20 hours when colonies come out

*producers

>>16130588
its happening

>>16130589
>300
grim

im gobsmacked by the performance of spacex. terrible.

> Proposals go out soon to all NASA centers and the private aerospace sector for “a revised plan that utilizes innovation and proven technology to lower risks, to lower costs and to lower mission complexity so we can return these really precious samples to Earth in the 2030s,” said Nicky Fox, associate administrator, Science Mission Directorate. The due date for proposals is next month, and those selected for further study will get NASA grants this summer. This essentially puts JPL in a position of having to compete for its own project.

So, sounds like they're junking what's been done, so that's billions and a decade lost, and starting over.

>>16130602
In before Red Dragon is revived to rub salt in the wound.

>>16130589
>>16130590
Is the performance fixed? My pc meets the minimum specs but I have no desire to play on low settings and 40 fps.

>>16130613
better than it was on launch, but it's still got noticeably lower framerates than ksp1 for comparable crafts.

> The agency also has released NASA’s response to a Mars Sample Return Independent Review Board report from September 2023. This includes: an updated mission design with reduced complexity; improved resiliency; risk posture; stronger accountability and coordination; and an overall budget likely in the $8 billion to $11 billion range. The mission design will return samples in 2040.

That's the baseline NASA wants to better. Good luck space cowboy.

>>16130617
Elon will probably just do it and they can worry about paying him later

>>16130617
i'm trying to think of an unmanned mars mission that could even come close to justifying a $10 billion price tag. maybe if you had a fleet of helicopters that could hop around and do a comprehensive surface survey.

>>16130619
it'd be funny if he got roggs back on his own dime and refused to hand them over. imagine the seething

>>16130567
Right now I'm more concerned about why the habitable zone in Universe Sandbox changes depending on whether you select the parent star or when you are trying to add a planet such as Earth. I legitimately cannot tell if this is a bug or if this is genuinely just taking into account where the HZ would be for a specific planet that you are selecting as opposed to just a general baseline for the star.

At the same time, if selecting an HZ for an Earth-like planet versus straight up Earth isn't the same then what's the point?

>>16130626
Maybe proof of life existing could justify that money.

>>16130641
more likely it'd just justify more activism to halt further exploration in order to preserve what was found

>>16130528
This nigga cant even get starship to orbit and made 0 progress on HLS and already want another contract for his mars fantazy LMAO

If I won the lottery I would charter a starship to mars, have some dinky little rover retrieve the Perseverance samples, and just send them to orbit and chuck them into the black abyss. Just out of spite and principal.

Ares in Aeternum, as performed by the Ares Royal Philharmonic Orchestra
https://www.udio.com/songs/spH6Ra5HdTpJc4zZ6MPmes

>>16130645
Versus Boeing who can’t even get a capsule to orbit with humans, or lockheed martin who have fallen off so hard in the civilian launch market that they don’t even want their stake in ULA anymore

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1779956676059082791

Red dragon wouldn’t be a bad idea, honestly. Yeah it doesn’t move Starship / HLS along but it gets the job done if you want to commit to retrieving these retarded tubes without spending a bajillion dollars

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1779960391109399023

what the fuck is he talking about?
how would this replace a heat shield?

>>16130656
Ian miles chung is a smart guy! i love hearing his takes all the time. i wonder who he is voting for president? Interesting man, thanks for introducing me Elon

>>16130656
SpaceX getting the sample return contract is obviously the best thing that could happen, but at the same time present starship is a shitshow with vehicles too unreliable to complete a single flight and less than 1/3rd the specificed performance. It kind of makes sense why the NASA number and internal spacex number is 15 flights to refuel for lunar landing

>>16130663
i'm blocked by big chungus but for some reason I can see the posts in musks replies tab

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YDoowoYzOI

he blocked me after I asked him why did he get a dog flashbanged

>>16130659
big wings mean you reduce the mass/surface area ratio so it gets more deceleration in the upper atmosphere and reduce your peak heating. venturestar's metallic TPS was designed to work on the same principle, and that was supposed to handle temps up to 1000C. stainless steel could match that.

>>16130659
probably go back to sweating

>>16130672
making starship a flatter shape would also be helpful, tube is not so good.

>>16130672
>>16130684
everything becomes a space shuttle sooner or later

>>16130664
As if any other part of MSR is ahead of starship development

>>16130703
!!

!!!

>>16130705
MSR is real. you've it down at jezero. we have all the rocks picked up.

>>16130703
he actually hired a bunch of cute girls...i bet he fuckin all of em >:(

>>16130224
They should ask Elon if he's got any spare polygons left over from the Cybertruck design.

>>16130716
Jobless

>>16130717
Wow so fuckin original bro!

>>16130690
shuttle was a good idea, it failed in the minutiae. Yeah it had terrible performance beyond leo, but any reusable upper stage would, so they decided to just own it an have a retarded spaceplane. Loads of things went wrong which we all know about, but they were trying to do exactly what starship is trying to do: low cost high frequency launch to leo to facilitate doing everything in space including stuff beyond leo. Even with the crap shuttle we ended up with, you could assemble a moon landing setup in 3 flights. The shuttle was capable of assembling heavy duty missions to the outer solar system.

>>16130224
the first black-owned rocket company in minecraft

>>16130703
>"casey" from "mirma"
God are you people illiterate? if you going to make a fake pic atleast edit it properly you 'tard.

>>16130726

>>16130715

And there they will stay for the next 20 years if NASA keeps running the show.

>>16130741
20 years is an optimistic timeline.

>>16130746
some fifth generation martian colonist is going to uncover them by accident in 2175

I'm going to Mars :)
No apologies :)

>>16130526
Yeah, they switched rendering engines I believe. You can fiddle with the installed version in the steam properties beta drop-down.

>>16130526
>w/ PSC
You MUST be 18 or older to post

>>16130780
>t. eyetoddler

you now remember that starship v3 stack is 150m tall

>>16130785
it also looks fuck all like the fan renderings

>>16130790
?

>>16130793
did your mom drop you on the head

>>16130794
yes
how is that related

>>16130794
did your dad drop you on the bed (to fuck)?

>>16130790
what renderings and why does that matter?

>>16130800
This official render???!! OHNONONONONO AAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA

>>16130803
Yes it's very official as you can see

>>16130800
They better use the Spaceballs opening music as elevator muzak during its inaugural launch.

NASA should use their MSP money to help jumpstart other countries spaceflight industries. It'll pay off in the long term.

>>16130825
jumpstart deez nuts

Yee haw

>>16130800
i <3 uranus

>>16130734
whats the bait? youre edit wasnt funny

>>16130829
we know, Tom

>>16130397
>>16130394
Could this be the beginning of the end of the endless JPL grift?

>>16130548
This guy probably has the worst EDS of them all. Bro is literally living the dream of any aerospace engineer and he’s STILL constantly seething about musk

>>16130850
There's lots of Elon seethers at JPL in particular and NASA in general

Choose anons
>you kill JPL, but all its funding goes to SLS for the next 10 years
>You kill SLS, but all its funding goes to JPL for the next 10 years

>>16130856
kill sls. obviously. that was easy.

>>16130856
first one, Artemis is expensive but actually somewhat useful, MSR is just full on retarded
or if you can just kill SLS but keep Artemis running as a programme then I would choose number 2 (but cancel MSR too because its retarded) and then tell JPL to start doing non-retarded shit please
make probes and that will exploit the capabilities of starship

>>16130856
Kill JPL. JPL is the great shaitan. They are the final boss of oldspace. SLS would die off after the ten years but if we don’t kill JPL it’ll live forever, destroying the future of spaceflight with mass autism roverfaggotry

>>16130856
JPL actually does cool shit like the helicopter.
I wouldn't kill them even if their funding went nowhere else

>>16130856
kill jay pee ell

>>16130863
Did you just say rover?
Like Mark Rober (who was LITERALLY a JPL rocket scientist (working on, you guessed it, THE MARS FUCKING ROVER (which is like unbelievably cool)))?
Whose name also sounds like Mars rover?
What are the odds of that?

>>16130856
Intellignet catposter

>>16130856
Intelligent catposter (I am not)

>>16130874
On
Another
Friggin
Planet
like whuuuuut

>>16130881
>>16130874
IFLS!!

(I Freaking Love Science!!)

>>16130856
JPL. I want to see SLS Block 2 hurling fission reactors into deep space.

https://twitter.com/BoeingSpace/status/1779985780791800080
>#Starliner is now loaded onto the transporter that will roll it out of our factory tomorrow, April 16. It will head to @ulalaunch's Vertical Integration Facility to be integrated with the #AtlasV rocket for the Crew Flight Test launch on May 6.

https://starlinerupdates.com/starliner-rollout-preparations-continue/

>>16130403
Neuralink to bridge the gap. Tesla bot to create infinite labor for infinite growth.

>>16130888
I agree with this. SLS is a mess, but it's so bad that we can't salvage something useful out of it. JPL has been a lost cause for longer than SLS has been in development

>>16130856
big rockets are cool

>>16130888
you will not live long enough to see it

>>16130905
t. old man

>>16130894
What are you smoking? SLS is useless and expensive, JPL still delivers tech that’s never been done like skycranes with curiosity and helicopter drones oboard Mars 2020
MSR might be an expensive misfire that needs to be reworked / maybe even taken away from JPL, but they’re still an insanely smart and talented organization. They’re going to have a hard time adjusting to lower $/kg though; they’re kinda mass-conscious to their own detriment right now bc all they’ve ever known is shitty Delta IIs, Atlas Vs, etc

>>16130913
JPL has nothing good in the pipeline because of MSR. Let other science centers build DAVINCI+ and VERITAS and refocus outer system exploration on robust, nuclear fission powered orbiters, landers, and rovers.

>>16130913
Anybody can get JPL's results when you give then tens of billions of dollars and decade-long timelines. Optimizing SLS into something that's worth the sticker price is going to be a very ugly process but most of the pieces are already in place.

>>16130585
>>16130589
i bought this heap of shit on launch, played for maybe half an hour and gave up because the game bugged out and wouldn't let me launch anything without restarting

people played it and pretty quickly realised it's the same exact shit with a small coat of paint
new ui is just plain bad, stylised to the point of unreadability. The gameplay loop is the same or worse because it's barely even at feature parity over a year after launch, no mods, terrible performance. Colonies, interstellar travel and multiplayer are the only reason to even consider playing and even the first of those updates (colonies) isn't expected until the end of this year or the start of next.

>>16130913
The ESA builds better and more ambitious scientific payloads. JPL just does a river grift these days. The little chopper was the exception I’ll admit, but it was so astonishing because JPL is so stodgy, conservative, unambitious and dull

>>16130890
How time flies...

>>16130913
yeah, 20 years ago spending a billion dollars on a mars rover loaded with plutonium and delicate scientific instrumentation wasn't a bad deal. but wanting $10 billion to pick up some rocks was a bridge too far. if they want to take advantage of the revolution in launch capabilities then mercury and the outer planets are still there.

buc-ees

>>16130224
>bug hustle 33

My fucking SIDES dude

Skibidi rizz gyatt

This but NASA

>>16130914
I agree about MSR Being a bottleneck. It should be canceled and arguably the problem started with perseverance, a direct repeat of curiosity, not in every way, but in many way nonetheless Mars 2020 including MSR cache tubes *even without MSR being planned yet* basically planted the metaphorical JPL flag on Mars. Leaving no resources or budget for other destinations like Venus, Titan, Europa, Neptune, etc.
>>16130918
>government
>optimizing for price
>16130922
Who is ESA, are they like JAXA or ISRO? They sound pretty irrelevant!

>>16130923
Remember how much shit he got for this

>>16130932
Now I'm imagining a space dep*t with 100 refueling docks, and the biggest bathrooms in orbit.

Reminder that as MSR has effectively been cancelled this general must shift to Cancel Dragonfly

>>16130942
I said that I'd be ugly, but that doesn't mean it's impossible. Fixing JLP would require such a complete destruction of its internal culture and funding incentives that there'd be nothing left but the name when the time came rebuild.

>>16130946
Good.

>>16130942
JPL does not give a fuck about science anymore. They just care about job security and consistent (high) funding streams. They were probably very happy that MSR would take so long, because that means 20 more years of money and jobs. And because politically it means no one else is likely to be approved to go to mars in that timeframe. If they cared about science or had any sort of ability to think creatively or fluidly, they would shift to making rovers and probs for venus, asteroids and the outer planets.

But hey, at least we will get to see the death of MSR and therefore the death of the JPL monopoly on mars

>>16130890
Slow and steady wins the race (of course they already won because they were paid more for this than SeX)

>>16130932
rebbit

>>16130949
They actually probably lost money on this contract lol

>>16130224
I'm personally 100% black

>>16130945
what's wrong with dragonfly :( i thought it looked fun

>>16130982
It's a Titan lander that isn't trying to sample the lakes.

The most iconic mission for the Saturn V was Apollo 11 by far.
Do any other rockets have an "iconic mission" associated with them?

>>16130982
Go to the only place outside Earth with lakes. Don't explore the lakes.

>>16130989
The R-7 family had Sputnik and Vostok.
Atlas had Mercury 7.
Titan had Cassini.
Shuttle was ridiculously cool every single launch, but probably Hubble repair was the signature demonstration of its ability.
Falcon Heavy aside from the meme roadster will probably be Gateway PPE+HALO or Europa Clipper.

>>16130991
>>16130984
THIS.
CANCEL DRAGONFLY.

>>16130991
>>16130984
Yep. Needs a massive overhaul
The reason it isn’t going to explore the lakes is just so they can grift a second mission to explore the lakes. But with the timescales involved in an outer systems mission, doing it that way means the second rover/probe/vehicle would probably arrive 30 years after dragonfly, which is probably just shy of 20 years from landing

Thunderf00t just called out SLS and elmo again...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxG0WAwwrGk

>>16131001
someone tell smarter every day to copyright the video for plagiarism of thumbnails.

>>16131000
we're going to need one mission to bottle up lake samples, another mission to take the bottles and drive them over to the sample return launchpad. from there the Titan Automated Launch Safety Officer can scrub the launch and wait for the 2150 window.

>>16130316
>>16130526
I see I'm too late, but if you're considering key sites, piracy might legitimately be better. Especially G2A has been in the news over and over again for selling ill-gotten keys, which can actually end up costing the game's dev money depending on how it was acquired. There's a decent chance you're just enriching grifters when you use these sites unfortunately.

Okay hear me out, Starship to Mars with a payload of an Electron or Falcon 1 so that people shut the fuck up about muh "you can't make fuel on Mars reeeeeeeee"

>>16131015
but you actually can't make electron or falcon 1 fuel on mars

>>16131008
All via SLS btw

>>16131016
you could make kerosene on mars. it'd be a little bit of work but you could do it.

>>16131016
You bring it fully fueled. An ascent vehicle.
Anything else requires a full scale colonization effort to setup refueling

>>16131015
could a fully fueled starship land and then take off from mars? just put a depot in martian orbit, send expendable tankers to fill it. It'd still probably be 20x cheaper than MSR

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okqNepQn_Tg&t

>>16131051
EDSer

>>16131016
I mean you just send it over fully fueled, have a crane drop it down from starship, and have a rover load it up, if you need a launchpad send a second starship with a mobile launchpad

>>16131019
this is about Boeing's centennial, not anything to do with flying SLS for 100 years
t. knower
>THAT'S THE JOKE
stfu noob

>>16131069
Kys

>>16131052
Wut

Why is the Discord so dead?

>>16131089
Thats a myth there is no discord.

>>16130850
he’s constantly seething about musk precisely because he's living the dream
it's like being a famous horse breeder (the analogy works on multiple levels) and then some guy shows up with a car

>>16131107
Except in this case the horse breeder is paid by the government to help Henry Ford make cars lol

>>16131110
says a lot about government's ability to choose the right people for the job

>>16130991
(protip: they don't want to lose it in a lake)

>>16131116
So have it stop a meter from shore and use a cryogenic bendy straw to take samples.

>>16131089
you're probably in the wrong discords

>>16131089
Join the Concord duh.

https://twitter.com/Orbital_Perigee/status/1779892686033412261

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2024/04/15/spacex-competition-nasa-pentagon/

>>16131239
It's only showing the first two paragraphs. Does anyone have an archive or something?

>>16131239
lmao git gud scrubs

>>16131239
https://twitter.com/SpaceAbhi/status/1780051580169113614
>Sigh. I think highly of Beck but this is misguided thinking. The way to compete against SpaceX is to focus on YOU. SpaceX spent hardly a thought on anyone during their rise. Winners only compete against themselves and never become complacent or enamored by their local maximum.

Rocketlab wants to give SpaceX malaria and kill them
Kind of a weird analogy especially as Musk almost died of malaria

>>16131248
https://archive.is/5reLe

>The way to compete against SpaceX, Beck said, “is to outsmart them and outwork them. You have to be the mosquito, that is for sure. And you have to be very agile. … The crazy thing about a mosquito is that it’s kind of annoying, but there’s a nonzero chance that you might get bit, get malaria and die,” he said.

Most retarded shit I have ever read. Reddit ass looking faggot beck is just coping and seething. Also funny how people are starting to call SpaceX a monopoly now after years and years of shitting on them saying they will fail. They aren't a monopoly, everyone else is just fucking shit.

lol

>>16131258
Thanks Anon.
>>16131298
lol. lmao. Honestly, it probably chafes horribly to be outpaced by SpaceX, but it's not going to stop as long as Elon Musk and SpaceX are both looking further ahead and more eager to get there than the rest of the industry.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okqNepQn_Tg
>Polaris Dawn - Your Very Own Human Space Program

>>16131324

>>16131001
>I'm a scientist!!!111
>just send a roover!!111
Yeah OK.
>everything that hasn't been done is impossible forever!!1111
Peoplpe llike him were telling everyone how airplanes were impossible, or steel ships were impossible, or hot air balloons were impossible.

Is NASA's Artemis setup stupid? Well, yes it is. But they were saddled wit hSLS, so it was always doomed to be over budget and boondoggle central
Is Starship a good Moon Lander? Nope. But at least it doesn't include negative mass in the proposal llike the competition did.

The rest ofo the video is Elon bashing, pop-sci tier misrepresentation of Starship program progress and argaubly a copyright strike in the making for pretty muhc copying Smart Every Day's video.

Who is that guy, and why is he so upset?

>>16131354
Hes right tho

>>16131354
starship is a general purpose cargo transportation vehicle into LEO, the moon and Mars and works as a lander way better than the competing proposals did
perhaps in the future there will better (meaning cheaper) purpose built moon landers

>>16131385
NTA but starship is a shit lunar lander if the plan is to have it shuttle from lunar orbit to lunar surface and not return to earth. Proof is that HLS has to be substantially different from the original vehicle because the original one is simply too awful a lunar lander to be practical. HLS renders still have the surface level engines, I can only assume they will at least delete those if its never intended to return to earth. Otherwise its pure retardation. The HLS vehicle is differnt to an extent but still saddled with all the issues which come with it actually being a reusable upper stage not a lunar lander. The real reasson HLS got the contract is because America is interested in the LEO bus potential.

>>16131473
>all the issues which come with it actually being a reusable upper stage not a lunar lander
such as?

>>16131089
You will never be a woman.

>In a report, Morgan Stanley estimated that SpaceX’s revenue for fiscal year 2024 should reach $13 billion, a 54 percent increase over last year.
>By 2035, as SpaceX’s Starlink internet satellite constellation grows, revenue could reach $100 billion, the firm reported.
B-BASED

>>16131475
a reusable upper stage obviously has a much worse dry mass than a purpose built spacecraft. If the Apollo LEM was structural to the Saturn V then it would have been much heavier empty. Not to mention that Starships engines are dramatically overpowered and overweight for lunar gravity, thats whe whole reason why they need to make as of yet totally undeveloped side thrusters for actually landing.

>>16131495
>much worse dry mass than a purpose built spacecraft
wrong. launch vehicles are extremely optimized for dry mass the LEM has terrible mass fraction.
>engines are dramatically overpowered
the more thrust the less gravity loss
>and overweight
the engines don't weigh shit

>>16131495
>need to make as of yet totally undeveloped side thrusters
they've been static firing those thrusters for a year now newfag

>>16131495
Dont say that! Let musk fags believe starshits gonna be on mars on 4 years

>launch vehicles are extremely optimized for dry mass
So why dont satelites take the faring (the structural part) with them into orbit?
>the LEM has terrible mass fraction
I guarantee it would have been worse if the LEM was structural.
>the more thrust the less gravity loss
the problem is they have so much thrust its impossible to hover even on a single engine, thats clearly too much. Apollo LEM burnt for like 5 minutes on the way down and most of that was hovering sideways toward the landing zone like a helicopter. You take 1/6th the gravity losses on the moon and the primary objective is landing safely rather than lighting all 6 raptors an inch above the surface
>the engines don't weigh shit
They make up a small fraction when the vehicle is fully fuelled but so does the payload.

So how is SpaceX or anyone else gonna retrieve those Mars sample tubes for NASA anytime soon?
>hard mode: no Starship

>>16131516
>impossible mode: no Starship
ftfy

>>16131515
>So why dont satelites take the faring (the structural part) with them into orbit?
Satellites don't carry humans. You need the fairing to carry pressurized humans you absolute retard.

>>16131520
you need a pressure chamber which can hold 1 bar, not a sturcutre which can survive the aerodynamic pressure and stresses of launch. Before you mention crew capsules, those actually land on earth, a LEM does not.

>>16131518
Is Red Dragon still a thing? Maybe land one Red Dragon to deploy a relatively simple military robot that can drive around and gather the sample tubes.

>>16131516
Starship should land next to Percy, grab the whole thing and bring it home

>>16131516
>>16131533
Do the exact JPL MSR architectue but contract Impulse Space to do it for $500 million dollars.
There's nothing inherently about it that justifies 10 billion.

>>16131473
proof is? the renders mean nothing
and still what matters is cost, not your aesthetic considerations or whatever the fuck

>>16131495
so what it has a worse dry mass? what matters is cost
mass autism thinking is outdated, you need to start thinking about cost

>>16131515
the absolute state of mass autists

>>16131570
>the renders mean nothing
okay, well in that case I guess nobody knows whats going on. Musk repeatedly says since ITS the renders are what spacex use internally.
>and still what matters is cost, not your aesthetic considerations or whatever the fuck
yes, it will cost more if you dont fix the issues

>>16131572
>so what it has a worse dry mass
It doesn't. Starship holds a fuckton of propellant and uses all of it on a moon mission.
I pretty much guarantee it has better mass ratio than all other proposed lander simply due it being huge.

>>16131578
>>16131572
You are retarded. Mass autism on payload and mass autism on vehcile are two different things. If you dont have mass autism on vehicle then you need mass autism on payload because your payload is crap. Shuttle was almost a superheavy lift rocket including the orbiter, but its dry mass was so bad that it was in practice a medium lift rocket. Are you a shuttle shill now?

>>16131585
no retard, what matters is cost
you don't need mass autism on either the vehicle or the payload if your vehicle is massive and the cost is low

>>16131613
>>16131585
if the shuttle was actually cheap and rapidly reusable, it being a medium lift rocket instaed of a superheavy would have been irrelevant
but it wasn't cheap or rapidly reusable and all that mass was a detriment compared to a simpler non-reusable system

>>16131613
Okay, well let me just quickly inform you that Starship missions will be more expensive if they require more flights, not hard to grasp.

let me make this simple for you
if it costs me 10k to ship a peanut with a panamax cargo ship and 15k to ship it with a sailboat, it still makes more sense to use the panamax cargo ship
what matters is cost, not efficiency
efficiency might help with cost ultimately, but that is just a intermediate metric

>>16131616
yes, but if they cost 1/100 to launch it doesn't matter if you need to launch 10 or even 50 of them
you just don't simply seem to grasp the concept that cost is what matters

>>16131620
its cheap to use the cargo ship because it can deliver massive amounts of cargo. Present iteration of starship has a worse paylod to leo than falcon heavy, and an evern worse payload to TLI (being zero without refuelling). If a panamax required 15 other panamaxes to refuel it before it could complete the journey, and could deliver less than a non reusable wooden sailing boat, then I think the sailing boat would be cheaper.

>>16131623
so you are just incapable of grasping the concept of cost
I already gave you the exact scenario, 10k vs 15k
what happens in the background is irrelevant

>>16131269
>They aren't a monopoly, everyone else is just fucking shit.
That does not contradict monopoly status. Technological superiority and economies of scale are recognized sources of monopoly that you will find in virtually any economics textbook (although some may include them under the broader summary category "barriers to entry")

>>16131621
Starship reusability is pribably worse than falcon, because the engines are more complex and with raptor 3 they cant be repaired due to everything being integral. That's fine, spacex are going all in on engine mass manufacture as the way to save costs, but it means you have a fixed price per launch which is at least the cost of replacing the necessary engines and other hardware plus the man hours. If they can refly within a day then maybe that price will just be a few hundred thousand per flight, but the fastest falcon reflight is over 20 days and thats a simpler booster than superheavy.

>>16131627
Im explaining to you that your scenario doesnt reflect actual starship

>>16130484
Our reptilian overlords are already in direct communication with demonic entities. What do they need a radio for?

It's space flight related thanks to Jack Parsons

>>16131638
>present iteration
lmao please and you don't even know that, the comment about 40T was specifically for flight 3, not v1 in general

>>16131630
the point is that they don't need to be repaired or refurbished between flights
they will have some lifetime which will be much longer than one flight and then replaced

>>16131623
>Present iteration of starship has a worse paylod to leo than falcon heavy
not really though. That fh number is derived by extrapolating its payload to high energy trajectories. You can’t actually stick a 40 ton object in its fairing and expect it to survive max-q

>>16130663
wholesome big cheongus

>>16131660
Flight 3 was V1, technically it delivered no payload unless you count the air. how does flight 3 not represent v1? I know it was underfuelled, but it was underfuelled specifically to simulate a payload.
>>16131663
It's certainly not a bad idea. Shuttle was too bespoke and starships mass production approach insulates it from insane cost even if it cant be reused as much as they would like.

>>16131686
yeah but that's just an autistic nitpick because you could easily make a payload adapter that could handle 60 tons if anyone ever came up with a 60-ton LEO payload for it

>Russian space chief brags that new Amur rocket reusable 'up to 100 times.' But there's a catch. It doesn't actually exist.

https://x.com/SciGuySpace/status/1780249178838294758

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LToevABm4k
>Elon Reveals Starship Version 3; We Have Questions!

>>16131688
now when I think about it, talking about v1 at all doesn't really make sense as there have been so many changes from test flight to test flight
v2 is probably something they will actually use to launch payload and then v3 a planned big upgrade that requires new towers, but they can use v2 for a HLS starship for instance
so in a sense v2 is actually the first actual usable ship and there have been like 5-10 versions before that

>>16131705
Wasn’t New Glenn originally 200, then 100, then 50, now 25 lol

>>16131254
it's an elaborate African joke

>>16131720
>v3 a planned big upgrade that requires new towers
why would it. the qd is at the bottom and there's already evidence they're moving the chopstick lift points down to the pez door.

>MSR is kill
I-is Bill 'Ballast' Nelson actually based?

>>16131731
hmm perhaps you are right

>>16131732
no, MSR is just THAT overpriced

>>16131486
Starlink is going to pay for elon's private palace on top of olympus mons.

>>16131739
Also it involves zero astronauts. Senator Administrator Astronaut Ballast is basically a manned spaceflight fanboy (as seen by his shuttle ride) which is why he supports all the Artemis components including HLS.

>>16131746
he is using ketamine and qualuudes, not crack
but otherwise it seems about right

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07eGv7jGGOs

>>16131739
Isn't it something like 11+ billion dollars? Another JWST and 20+ years of development?

switzerland joined artemis accords
https://spacenews.com/switzerland-signs-artemis-accords/

>>16131746
>impregnating celebrities
he's not doing well on that axis as of late.
has he become too chud to get pussy?

>>16131746
Liberals are capable of coming up with funny ideas; but they know not brevity and it always ends up being mucho texto. Kinda ruins the whole joke.

A little birdie told me that Starliner is going to fail and kill its its passengers.

>>16131785
That would imply it's flying in the first place.

>>16131795
They will attempt to. They will not fly.

>>16131785
And somehow they are going to blame elon&spaceX for it.
>elon created a hostile space industry where people are forced to skip steps to compete
Or some shit like that, it wont make sense at all to anybody with half a brain, but they will say it anyway.

https://twitter.com/vast/status/1780259466333835493
New Vast video, it shows them designing and manufacturing this solenoid

>>16131751
wtf are qualuuudes

https://spacetechpriorities.org/

This is cool, NASA wants (You)r input

>>16131816
Every single newspace company is making their own valves. These are not even for cryogens. How long until the valve market catches up?

>>16131826
When NASA says (You), a member of the public, they are actually talking to the space industry and more specifically SpaceX
Like J Random American is going to know that cold welding is still a huge fucking problem or space nukes are predicated on the existence of extremely hard to get isotopes (maybe use different ones, geniuses) or propulsive landing needs to be improved

>>16131830
>Whether you’re part of the space technology community or an interested member of the public, your input is invaluable. By registering and providing your feedback, you’ll help inform an integrated list of national space technology priorities. NASA will make the prioritized list available to stakeholders and the public.

>>16131826
>NASA is refining its strategy for prioritizing technology investments, to evolve into a stronger and more resilient national tech base for civil space.

basedbasedbased

>>16131824
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methaqualone

https://www.quantamagazine.org/geometers-engineer-new-tools-to-wrangle-spacecraft-orbits-20240415/

>>16131841
literally never heard of this before today lmao

all the tech NASA has identified as shortfalls

>>16131620
Ideally cost/efficiency go together and for some functions, cost is irrelevant, time is the sole factor.

>>16131836
Maybe they should fucking start with Solidworks, because it's made by Dassault lmao

>>16131846
>Excavation
Space backhoe bro you are so in

>>16131846
Need to feed this to Google Gemini Pro and generate a nice chart.

>>16131846
>>16131850
>NASA produces a list
>industry/centers/universities now know that to prioritize and can get to work on it

fucking finally

>>16131852
what to*

>>16131847
you can give time a cost too in opportunity cost in the stock market or in other ways

>>16131846
193 pages, lol

>>16130551
>primary driving factor between wars
>ethno state A claims ethno state B is not real and has no right to exist
>proceeds to attempt and exterminate them

>>16131845
>he didn't watch wolf of wallstreet
you're missing out

>>16131869
I'M NOT FUCKING WATCHIINGG

>boston dynamics is retiring atlas
hydraulictrannies absolutely BTFO.
all robot must be ELECTRIC

>>16131875
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>16131826
despite paying attention to spaceflight, i have no idea what to tell nasa

>>16131883
mostly they ask you to score them all or some shit, minimal input

remember the mexican space agency? the turkish one? the australian? yeah...

So I have this right?
>in order to launch a starship back from Mars, you need a tank of fuel on Mars
>in order to have a tank of fuel on Mars, you need to send 10 launches from LEO
>in order to do 10 launches from LEO, you need to fill a fuel tank in LEO 10 times
>In Order to fill a fuel tank in LEO, you need to launch 10 starships from earth
>In order to round trip Mars, you need to do over 100 starship launches

>>16131896
Yep, it's over Starship will never work and SpaceX are finished

>>16131896
No, since ISRU is a thing and the plan for refueling starship on Mars. You just need to get an empty one there with the machinery to manufacture methalox from Martian resources

>>16131897
It works if you have 100% reliable 100% rapid (24 hours) reusable starship, and infinite fuel on earth

>>16131896
>So I have this right?
No
Refueling only happens in LEO.
In order to come back you need a Sabatier plant on Mars.

>>16131896
Everybody knows that mars starship will only work if they manage to produce rocketfuel on mars.
There already is a testplatform at mars right now that has produced a limited amount of rocketfuel, but i fail to find the name of it right now.

>>16131896
Starship is a horrible architecture for Mars and not seriously considered by NASA. They kind of have to say nice things about SpaceX currently because they're dependent on thier services but seriously, pls drop the martian Starship fantasy. It's not happening.
NASA and some other entities are currently in the preliminary stages of designing new propulsion, life support and other systems for Mars but it's not happening till 2045+ at this rate (did you watch yesterday's (depressing) MSR update?)

>>16131908
its called your dad and he sucked my cock last night for $5 bucks.

>>16131908
>rocketfuel
>testplatform
>rocketfuel
stop posting until europe has a working falcon 9 clone.

>>16131906
well they might send some emergency fuel for the first humans so they can get back if the sabatier plant breaks down or something

Propulsion (Nuclear) 709 Nuclear Electric Propulsion for Human Exploration
149 Propulsion (Nuclear) 702 Nuclear Thermal Propulsion for Human Exploration
150 Propulsion (Nuclear) 705 Low Power Nuclear Electric Propulsion

>>16131909
You're delusional. Starship is the only architecture that can bring 100 tons to the surface at reasonable cost.
Your EDS is showing

>>16131909
I know youre trolling and trying to riff off the HLS anon earlier because Starship is a way better Mars lander than a Moon lander

>>16131909
MSR has nothing to do with SpaceXs mars plans

>>16131911
You forgot to call me a esl faggot, i know you guys get a kick out of that one.

So if russia has a 100x reusable rocket , doesnt that leave spacex in the dust?

>>16131919
They would need modernized N-1 at this point since they're not doing China's 1000 Falcon 9s plan.

>>16131912
it would make more sense to send an empty launcher/tanker a launch cycle early with the ability to refuel itself

>>16131912
It'll be worse than that I imagine.
Setting up the gigawatts of power and infrastructure to mine thousands of tons ice will be infeasibly hard to do without people on the surface in the time frame Elon wants.
They will send the first people without an assured return.

>>16131920
>>16131919
they just need to update the software on soyuz and have all the components return to the launch mounts.

Missions longer than 1-2 days typically transition from short term body worn and handheld
collection devices to a toilet to manage urine, feces, menses, and odor in a more hygienic
manner and reduce overall mass. The ISS US Orbital Segment (USOS) primarily uses a
Russian toilet system requiring high up-mass. Urine is precision dosed with hazardous liquid
chemicals at toilet collection prior to delivery to water recovery system. Less hazardous
chemicals and more reliable/lower mass hardware is beneficial to exploration. No resources
are recovered from feces (~75% water). Feces biological activity generates noxious gases that
must be contained or adsorbed. Odor control is only partially effective. US developed toilet
is being evolved with additional pretreat dosing, fecal odor containment, and acoustic
improvements to become operational. Future long duration micro-g missions would
significantly benefit from reduced fecal consumables mass and improved long duration
sustaining of rotary phase separation hardware. Surface missions need very low mass
compact and hygienic commodes for initially small habitat volumes. Water recovery from
feces is an enhancement that may be beneficial for long duration missions. Improved system
performance, improved reliability, and system enhancements to allow lower-level
maintenance are beneficial to a reduction of departure mass and improved crew safety on
long endurance missions where resupply is not feasible. System improvements and
diagnostics assistance that reduces crew time are also beneficial.

>>16131925
It really is that easy in spaceflight.
Just run the launch code but start it at the end and decrement IP.

>>16131924
why would they? just send the fuel
its just a few more cargo ships, they need to send thousands anyway so it isn't really that much in the grand scheme of things
and it will probably increase the morale of the initial groups substantially
if someone gets cancer or something they will be able to get back and so on

>>16131927
>Surface missions need very low mass
>compact and hygienic commodes for initially small habitat volumes
NASA HAS FALLEN
BILLIONS OF TONS MUST BE LANDED

>>16131946
Yeah you're right.

>>16131924
>without an assured return
Is this actually deadly? Would it be feasible to just keep one-way shipping supplies every 2 years?

>Prior systems studies have demonstrated, that, due to the tenuous atmosphere at
Mars, only SRP (Supersonic Retro-Propulsion) will meet the requirements for supersonic
descent.

HMMMM

>>16131957
>she only finds out now

>>16131960
Did thou just assume my pronoows

>>16131846
Now we're talking

>>16131978

>>16131979