/sci/ - Science & Math

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Thread immediatly ruined. FUCK THIS JANNY REEEEEEE I HATE NAMENIGGERS I HATE NAMENIGGERS I HATE NAMENIGGERS I HATE NAMENIGGERS I HATE NAMENIGGERS I HATE NAMENIGGERS

FUCK YOU B*RKUN SPAMBOT CREATOR YOU RUIN EVERY /SFG/

Legally no. Ethically no. Politically -- oh they will try.

>>16125311
And I'll do it next time too, /sfg/, you can't hide from Barkon.

UDMH > all hydrocarbons. it's been held back by n2o4 all these years.

If you take one of the tours of JPL, you get to see these probes in the clean room from up on the walk way. Pretty cool.

>>16125337
UDMH is based for a lot of applications but not on the first stage imo

>>16125339
what will it look at?

>>16125339
can this thing drill through the ice crust to find the europa squid people?

>>16125320
im sick of the recent luddite movement
>spaceflight bad
>ai bad
>science bad
too many motherfuckers trying to hold humanity back

>>16125395
We're in the pessimism part of the cycle. Hopefully it won't last too long and we can get back to a neutral or optimistic part sooner rather than later.

>starship launches
>extreme seethe about starship in the time between the next launch
>starship launches again, but more successfully this time
>proportionally more extreme EDS seethe, very specifically hyperfocused on starship
>starship makes orbit, fails reentry
>extreme anti-starship seethe gets even more extreme
Has anyone noticed this trend? Starship is getting further and further along on it’s path to be what it promises, and yet the seethers are louder and more numerous than when it was just a paper rocket with some test tanks and and no notable flight experience.
To me it sounds like panic, it feels like these clowns are just trying to drown out the sounds of starship disproving all of their previous statements.

>>16125305
>Not Gagarin Edition
newfags get out REEEE

I approve of this thread actually.

You just need to listen to Barkon and go his way because what you're doing is drivel.

You don't do what you're doing but it's fine cause you're trying your best and you've got a good world view you're just stupid.

Listen to my next good post.

>>16125405
Ive had the opposite experience, but could also be that I ignore the seethe more these days (gets boring after a while)

spehs

rocket report is out
https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/04/rocket-report-delta-ivs-grand-finale-angara-flies-another-dummy-payload/

what do we think of this

>The US Space Force announced Thursday it is partnering with two companies, Rocket Lab and True Anomaly, for a first-of-its-kind mission to demonstrate how the military might counter "on-orbit aggression."
>On this mission, a spacecraft built and launched by Rocket Lab will chase down another satellite made by True Anomaly, a Colorado-based startup. "The vendors will exercise a realistic threat response scenario in an on-orbit space domain awareness demonstration called Victus Haze," the Space Force's Space Systems Command said in a statement.
>This threat scenario could involve a satellite performing maneuvers that approach a US spacecraft or a satellite doing something else unusual or unexpected. In such a scenario, the Space Force wants to have the capability to respond, either to deter an adversary from taking action or to defend a US satellite from an attack.
https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/04/the-space-force-is-planning-what-could-be-the-first-military-exercise-in-orbit/

>still no article on spacenews about the angara launch
they need more writers

>>16125447
more activity in space is good if this funnels money to new technology

>>16125447
in practice this is an attempt to keep rocketlab from bankruptcy.

APR 22 - spacex launching galileo (euros seething)
APR 25 - chinese manned launch
MAY 03 - chang'e 6 launch
MAY 07 - shitliner crewed launch

>>16125467
you forgot MAY 4 - Starship IFT-4

>>16125467
Starliner is NOT launching next month; boeing will announce this news officially in the next 2 days!

>>16125471
you dropped this

>>16125477
We need a Zefram Cochrane

>>16125482
We need world war 3 first.

Should I enlist in the Space Force

>>16125526
what does a space forcer do? sit at a computer looking at sattelite data? I doubt you'd go to space slinging plasma guns

>>16125526
>massive iranian attack on israel expected as soon as today
now might be the best time

>>16125477
Wait wasn't he from the evil universe, so he's actually talking about the evil version of Cochrane who shot the vulcans during first contact?

>>16125405
Imagine the shuttle. Overly complex, expensive and killed many astronauts.
The government made that and we all know is the supreme authority in science so if the government can't reuse rockets, than It's impossible.

Now imagine growing up with that ingrained in your psych.

Next thing you know some trust fund baby is welding stainless together in Texas and proposes a system that would basically confirm that reusability is cheaper than expendable.
F9 has been pretty ignored on the final answer of reuseabilty because the expense of refurbishment is not known, 2nd stage also isn't reused
Starship however is the final answer, working as intended, there is basically no denial that reusable is cheaper when you only need to buy fuel.

That's breaking alot of people who see NASA as the final answer in spaceflight. If NASA couldn't make it work, no way spacex can and every bit of progress is eroding any NASA legitimacy.

>>16125528
Yes. And that sounds fine to me.

>>16125543
that sounds kinda gay to me but I get that it translates to power and shit, sure. it's just...seriously gayer than slinging space plasma guns with jetpacks and shit.

RocketLab getting a 24 notice contract.
32 million, hopefully keeps em around along with reuse.
https://twitter.com/RocketLab/status/1778545942460764366

>>16125526
Military is one of the few jobs where you can retire with a pension after 20 years. Then you can move into a high paid defense contractor job using your space skills.

>>16125549
getting killed as an infrantryman is extremely gay

>>16125535
this quasi-religious respect for some institutions is very funny to me
keeping that in mind, it is not that surprising that they got co-opted by another quasi-religion (wokism or whatever you want to call it)

>>16125558
well you know, shooting at satellites, doing shit to them, whatever. spacefun with jetpacks

>>16125562
gay

>>16125565
spacewalking is based as fuck

>>16125571
>spacewalk
>never use your legs

>>16125558
yeah but living as an infantryman is pretty cool sometimes until you get shot at

>>16125581
>he doesn't walk using the protrusions on his back
weakling.

>>16125445
3 mil for nonexclusive license to most of virgin orbits IP
lol

>>16125445
> Virgin, in its suit, claims that Boeing performed “shoddy and incomplete” work on the initial phases of the project. “Boeing’s failures with respect to its agreement with Virgin Galactic are consistent with Boeing’s record of poor quality control and mismanagement,” the complaint states.
with boeing you ain't going

>>16125395
It's the niggers, kikes and leftists that are keeping humanity behind
>>16125403
pessimism cycle will devolve into destruction cycle if niggers, kikes and leftists aren't destroyed

>>16125409
On April 12, 1961, after experiments with dogs, the famous Ukrainian engineer Serhii Pavlovych Koroliov launched a human-like russian into space.
The task of the russian, nicknamed Gagarin, was simple: to arrive at the launch sober, to sit quietly in the capsule, and to not to click or break anything. Thanks to months of rigorous training, he successfully completed this task.

Guys, am I taking some crazy pills or what the fuck is going on? Isn't it obvious that Starship is never going to be a viable option for the Moon, let alone Mars? This whole approach of "let's just blow things up" is going to ruin them. They're never going to land on Mars with Starship with humans on board, get the fuck out of here. They'd need like a dozens trials before any human is going to take that risk. It's an insane, absolutely insane project and the engineering is only like 25% done. Their timelines are so wack it's driving me insane. And almost no one here is being sceptical enough.

>>16125606
damn this goes hard

>>16125594
I trust Boeing more than VG.
>>16125588
don't move, I've already reported you to interplanetary immigration

>>16125609
yeah dude, you're totally right. I can't believe nobody figured this out before. thank you for telling the general, make sure you spread the word to others who might not know

>>16125305
is this a good idea?

>>16125606
kek

>>16125616
did you just invent a worse version of strap on boosters?

>>16125609
why is it going to ruin them?
what is the problem with a dozen of trials?
you could do that within one launch window
just send 20 ships spaced out to arrive every few days, even if the first 12 fail in one way or another (at this point tiles and other systems would already be thoroughly tested with earth re-entry) they would still have 8 landing
how many times do you think it took for SpaceX to perfect drone landings with Falcon 9?

>>16125609
also you are gay

>>16125616
giant spring stage zero

>>16125620
but reusability. also i changed it a bit.

https://twitter.com/3DDaniel1/status/1778795429532201130/

>>16125395
Commies see solutions as a threat to their ideology. Capitalism lifts billions out of poverty. Socialism killing hundreds of millions.

All they cling on to is half baked ideology.

>>16125648
sovl x 3

>>16125648
longship

>>16125651
back to >>>/pol/
fucking retarded /pol/acks cant stay on their containment board

>>16125658
Triggered the commie troon. You will never be a spaceflight enjoyer.

>>16125648
I think its obvious that this thing will never land on mars. 10 years from now starship will have never been to Mars and SpaceX will be buiding an 18m diameter vehicle for actually going to Mars.

>>16125667
Still the same Starship of Theseus that will take us to Mars.

>>16125659
MIGAs law being proven right, why dont you tell me what this equation is? go back to /ptg/ nobody wants your cancer here.

>>16125670
You will never be a spaceflight enjoyer.

>>16125671
>he doesnt know
You can just admit youre new and lurk more you know. Stop spreading your cancer to other boards, nobody likes your cancer OPs either every time you post your shitty trump OPs the thread is awful.

>>16125671
answer the question shitbrain

roggids

>>16125320
These people need to be killed really.

>>16125467
>APR 22 - spacex launching galileo (euros seething)
I'm not. I'm happy the retards at ESA have been forced to confront their own stupidity and accept they're not going to space today(or this decade).

>>16125609
see >>16125405 you are being described before you even post lol.

We need to bring back the newfag filter. It clearly worked very well just now with that /ptg/tard.

>>16125688
it only works because we don't use it very often

>>16125688
Newfag filter should ask whether SpaceX is the best space company in the world.

I'd imagine lot of seething will be generated.

>>16125689
Thats true... guess I'll hold off on using it.

>>16125691
Malding commies will cry about it all day

>>16125690
newfags don't remember the level of seethe generated by the collagefag

>>16125395
It's easy to decipher
>technology that allows more control
Praise the science! Don't be a chud and take the vaccine!
>technology that pushes boundaries
Hold on, we need to limit this and control it. Won't somebody think of the minorities we are leaving behind?

https://spacenews.com/faa-no-current-plans-to-tax-commercial-space-launches/
FAA confirms no May launch for OFT-4

is spacex the best space company in the world?
answering no to this question means that you are wrong and a newfag.

>>16125696
Not even that, its purely partisan. They like it when its control from their political party. The only reason they're pushing for control now is they have the current control of the gov.

>>16125699
>“I think we can possibly get there. I’m not going to say we will get there absolutely in May, but I won’t say it’s out of the question, either.”
may is still on the table

>>16125704
What a strange way to say ARCAspace.

>>16125447
russia did the same thing like 3 years ago. this isn't remotely the first military exercise in orbit.

>>16125704

>>16125692
Hey faggot. Tell us what >>16125670 is since youre such a 'spaceflight enjoyer'.

>>16125713
Why are you still malding lmao. You will never be a spaceflight enjoyer.

>>16125716
Just tell us what the equation is and how to use it. Any spaceflight enjoyer should know what it is and what it does.

>>16125717
Any spaceflight enjoyer wouldn't castrate themselves.

>sounds of furious googling

>>16125720
KEEEEEK

>>16125717
lol, the newfag filter is working exactly as intended.

>>16125722
ugly frogposter

>>16125706
Lmfao how new are you?

>>16125706
Its never been off the table.

>>16125728
>Cirnotroon taking the side of the /ptg/tard
Typical

>>16125728
>>16125722
can the frogposter and cirnoposter come together today to make fun of this newfag /pol/tard? just this once?

>>16125733
no he's retarded too, it's possible for both sides to be wrong
>>16125735
they're both earthnoids whose souls are chained by gravity

>>16125735
No, commies needs to be spaced

>>16125735
Im literally the one that posted the newfag filter, also I didnt start shit with the fairycel you can blame him for the fighting.

>spaced
>so new he doesnt know what an airlock is
jesus christ it just gets worse and worse.

Mars colonies would need a healthy couple to procreate and advance humanity right? Does that automatically mean troons are a waste of money/effort for colonization? Any space troons occupy (outside of their own money) are necessarily holding back humanity right?

>>16125746
Correct.

>>16125746
trannies can still procreate with real women

>>16125749
The grafted arm skin to your groin is not a dick. Please go chop off your tits and maybe your head next.

>>16125746
Troons will never go to space for medical reasons.

>>16125744
post fewer frogs

>>16125746
yes

>>16125648
>69
Nice.

>>16125760
Every time you tell me to post less I will post more.

>>16125765
I wonder which of us has more images lol

Reminder, these avatarfags needs to be necked.

>>16125771
I dont avatarfag as frog poster theres like 4 of them in /sfg/.

>>16125771
Every freeman spaceflight enjoyer needs to neck the trannies, avatarfags, commies, and internet skeptics.

>>16125775
>commies
tell us what >>16125670 is, we're still waiting on your answer

>>16125779
Single word triggered you. You have a problem.

>>16125784
its the main way we can tell you apart from other anons. expand your vocabulary.

>>16125786
If commie posting triggers you, you have a commie problem in your brain.

>>16125787
explain this in plain english >>16125670

>>16125789
nobody's going to actually explain Tsiolkovsky's rocket equation anon

>>16125789
More, why are you a commie?

I hope you all know that the /ptg/ guy is baiting.

who the fuck is /ptg/

>>16125799
Boogieman for the commie

>>16125799
/president trump general/ its a cancerous general on /pol/ that routinely send out their retards to shill on other boards.

>>16125803
Why are you seething about a US president that supports the space industry?

>>16125803
Are you one of the commie poster on /pol/ trying to correct the record thing here?

>>16125803
ah
just report them when they say something too stupid and get on with your day, brother
remember, gloves are optional
>>16125804
Trump was the best president for space in recent memory because he got the fuck out of the way but his fans are retarded and he's a crook
it's whatever, I just wish people would shut up and let us talk about roggets

>>16125808
>I just wish people would shut up and let us talk about roggets


>>16125320
Political groups thats currently ruling the US wants to stop roggets

>>16125434
Looks like a sloth

>>16125809
is there anything that we can accomplish by ruining our rogget discussion though

thanks for ruining my thread guys

>>16125647
>$8 in 1970s
That's one hungry hungry nigger

>>16125811
Remove commies who want to stop spaceflight.

>>16125812
stupid frogposter
>>16125814
you can't do that by shitposting on an anonymous congalese basket weaving forum

>>16125813
He's basing it off of his own diet.

/sfg/ is only good when it gets flooded with casuals who drown out the spergs who think they're in a power struggle for control of a thread on 4chan

>>16125808
is it actually safe to not wear gloves in vaccum?

>>16125818
cant you and the other frogposter just fight with each other and leave me out of it

>>16125823
safety is a sliding scale

>not one (you) from arcaposting
the endtimes are nigh

>>16125823
your hands swell up but they'll go back to normal when you return to normal pressure. it's safe in the short term. look up joseph kittinger

>>16125820

>>16125827
have ARCA actually done anything recently? their gypsy scam payed out and they all fucked off to do their own thing IIRC

>>16125827
That cow has been milked dry, its been dry since they got their twitter account hacked. Nothing can top that Im sorry.

20th reusable flight for F9.

Do you think we'll see 30th or 50th F9 reusable launch before Starship completely takes over?

Why is this fag anime such a big meme in sfg?

>>16125829
just wear some leather gloves to protect your hands from temperature and radiation and limit the swelling

>>16125838
spoken like a man who's never watched all 4 seasons of touhou

>>16125835
Probably 30, more than likely not 50 though. Hopefully starship starts doing regular flights within 2 years as in multiple times a month.

>>16125838
Its not. Cirnofag patrols all boards only to hate Pepe, /sfg/ just receives his attention because a decent amount of us like frogs and posting them.

idk. At least frogs are loosely spaceflight adjacent.

>>16125847
Frogs needs to be gassed.

>>16125843
you are not special, I am not gangstalking you, I do not care about you at all
I was here long before you and will be here long after you leave
does anybody have Cirno's Perfect Methane Recondenser?

found it

>>16125849
i am gangstalking you

>>16125861
based, come and get some

>>16125847
kek look at that fucking idiot. serves him right. they should have a frog sound supression system for airane

>>16125865

>>16125849
>>16125852
How do organize/find your images?

>>16125852
what a baka

>>16125847
>it is launch day my dudes
>>16125872
booru

>>16125571
the white worm patch on a red background is based as fuck

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTDoSH871jo

Increasing frequency of launches from (((Vandenberg))) SFB raising concerns in public comments in local town hall meetings.

>>16125891
I'd like to increase my launch rate inside of HER, if you catch my meaning.

>>16125891
the eternal nimby

>>16125891
nooo you cant just create jobs and provide internet to people

>>16125894
I'm not sure I understand, could you elaborate?

>>16125765
stupid frogposter

>>16125908
so true

TFFFD (Total Frog Fairy Fox Death)

Not actually B*rkun just testing if the name auto bans you. I will answer a question directly if you wsnt proof Im not the spambot.

>>16125936
did u get banned?

>>16125936
Ok it doesnt autoban you.

>>16125938
No I did not see >>16125939 me double checking here.

russian icbm test a few hours ago. interestingly it looks alot like falcon 9 launches.

>>16125949
>anon discovers what rocket launches look like

>>16125949
What exactly do you think ICBMs are?

>>16125949
this one looks more successful than the last one. I guess they may have sorted out any issues?

>>16125835
Tory Burno BTFO x2

>>16125939
damn that's fucked up

Bandwagon means Gwynne was right about small launch companies.
Their complete extinction is now only a matter of time.

>>16125949
>A rocket looks like a rocket
you're really breaking new ground there.

https://twitter.com/rocketrepreneur/status/1778847509286195540

lmao

NEED... SPACE BUSSY...,

https://twitter.com/mikusingularity/status/1778770779309789295

>>16126029
luddites and crabs in a bucket. smart people are worried about ai, nuclear war, climate change... but what's really going to make us go extinct is retards.

>>16126029
commie reddit needs to be purged

>>16126029
I've noticed an interesting correlation where the people who post stuff like this never own guns.
just an observation

why does universe sandbox never go on sale :(

>>16126025
you need to fucking kill yourself faggot

>>16126029
>twitter reddit screenshot
kill yourself

>>16126029
>while the rest of us die
??? how? these guys literally think mass human death is imminent?

>>16126046
so does elon. he talks about civilization collapsing constantly

>>16126046
They're the ones pushing for war with nuclear Russia and think its Elon's fault

>they're stil futzing with the chopstick hydraulics
DELETE
THE
HYDRAULICS

>>16126051
hydraulics are the best choice though. Electric motors require more power for given torque. They weight less but thats not a big gain on a launch pad.

>>16126055
99% of the chopsticks are not doing anything. it doesn't matter at all how much power it consumes.
what matters is how often it breaks. and how complex it is to repair.
the propellant pumps are by far the most power intensive thing on the site.

>>16126055
The power requirement is irrelevant, what matters is the reliability.

>>16125706
It's never been more off the table than it is now

>>16125434
I want to fuck that spaceship. She looks like she transports human men.

>>16125976
>Gwynne Shotwell: "I will eradicate small launch companies"
>small launch companies, two years later: surprised pikachu face
hmmm yes who could have seen this coming

>>16126036
the people who do own guns know that if they post about their plans then they'll be stopped

>>16126079
>surprised pikachu face
Go back to teddit you fucking nigger. Next youre gonna pull out that fucking simpsons meme

>>16126089

>>16125939
That's unfortunate

>>16126089

>>16126104
Got something to say fag?

>>16126029
It’s always melodramatic morons like this who think they can police places like /sfg/.
You could make a scientific classification for their behavior, it’s all so predictable.

>>16126109

>>16126116
I said to SAY you mute coward

>>16126118

>>16126047
not necessarily complete collapse in the near term, but also people like the pic getting political power and there being a long period of stagnation
collapse could happen in a few hundred years, but political decline/stagnation is already happening in many places, doesn't mean everybody just starts dying instantly (though mass deaths are not uncommon in communist countries either)

https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/1778853286432419884

>>16126133
today is friday though?

>>16126133
If its not cancelled...

>>16126133
Mars sample return can be done with a starship. Two birds with one stone. It's a shame the present Starship clearly wont land on Mars, if it was wider and actually a practical lander I think they would eventually give SpaceX the contract.

>>16126047
If Elons home country is any indication, the collapse of a developed nation is slow and boring. Unfortunately there is no mad max shit or anarchy involved, everything just continuously gets worse.

>>16126142
what's your end game wide-starship schizo?

>>16126146
If Elon gets fed up with seeing me post about it in /sfg/ he will say fuck it and announce the 18m variant. I think they could get away with just making a new launch ring and keeping the tower. If they dont the HLS demo flight will tip over. mark my words.

>>16126032
>smart people are worried about... climate change
Those aren't smart people anon

>>16126157
no, they should make a mini starship

>>16125434
It looks like it would never get off the ground first of all.

>>16126160
the one they already have only does 40T to orbit. I'mnot confident about the margins they would get out of a smaller ship.

If you’re flying around proxima or sirius or betelgeuse with solar panels, is it REALLY solar power?? Seems like a bad name.
Another win for nuclearsisters.

>>16126144
yep, south africa had nuclear weapons, it is entirely plausible that they could have started doing spaceflight at some point
but try to do any of that now in South Africa? you don't even have consistent power

>>16126160
this is the mini starship

hurry up and get us off this planet

>>16126160
Current SS (the 9m ones that have been launching so far) are just scaled-down versions of the factory variant (18m)

>>16126183
photovoltaic cells

>>16126133

>>16126193
It actually has landing legs?

>>16126211
How else would they land on Mars? Will SpaceX ask for aliens to build a tower first.

>>16126213
I'm just expressing my amazement that they actually brought up the leg issue in some small way

>>16126193
on earth it would take years to build something like that. on mars it'll take decades.

>>16126215
Are you retarded? HLS has legs also

>>16126218
ok? I guess we won't do it then because decades long projects can't exist or something

>>16126218
On Mars there is no EPA. There is no FAA. There is no government at all

>>16126218
The difference is that on Mars there's nothing else to do but work.

Large and detailed iSpace information dump

* 4-6 Hyperbola-1 launches in 2024
* Hyperbola-3 first launch in 2025
* Hyperbola-3 first reuse in 2026

They're building a rocket assembly, testing, and reuse facility in Hainan. They're also building a new "large" engine test stand. I wonder what for? The JD-2 engine is just wrapping up its testing program and is about to start mass production.

To read more, you can use translation software on this eight-point summary

https://weibo.com/5658451754/O9dfZu9E1
https://weibo.com/5658451754/O9g17qrC8

>>16126224
the surface of the earth doesnt kill you from radiation in a few years like it does on mars

>>16126226
lol

>>16126226
no but you have people with guns coming to stop you if you start building without talking to random retards and waiting for years

>>16126226
radiation isn't real

>>16126226
radiation is unironically not real. no one has ever died from it

>>16125305
Large and detailed iSpace information dump

* 4-6 Hyperbola-1 launches in 2024
* Hyperbola-3 first launch in 2025
* Hyperbola-3 first reuse in 2026

They're building a rocket assembly, testing, and reuse facility in Hainan. They're also building a new "high thrust" engine test stand. I wonder what for? The JD-2 engine is just wrapping up its testing program and is about to start mass production.

To read more, you can use translation software on this eight-point summary

https://weibo.com/5658451754/O9dfZu9E1
https://weibo.com/5658451754/O9g17qrC8

>>16126236
i'm pretty sure sticking a cat in a microwave kills it

>>16126237
Thank you China poster

>>16126226
>You can't just carry a dosimeter to make sure you will not randomly die in a few years
KYS bad faith argument

>>16126244
where are you going to stay to hide from the radiation if everything is still taking decades to build?

>>16126246
In a shielded area.
Regolith shield. Tensile structure with a kilometer of air above you. Low elevation regions. Lots of ways.
You're simply not even trying to solve the problem you just like telling others that they shouldn't do things since doing things is hard and you dont like hardship

>>16126246
why is it taking decades, and can we not just chillax in a starship? Maybe pour some terra firma over a reinforced Starship turned on its belly?
Radiation is a non-issue btw!

sfg be like
>ummm sorry sweaty but the van allen belts are just a maymay
and then completely ignore the fact that Apollo took a specific route to minimize time spent in the death zone

>>16126230
While it is true that 'your own government harassing and killing you' is *by far* the greatest risk to all humans in living memory, I don't think space will stop them from trying to fuck with you.

>>16126257
nobody is planning to live in the van allen belts and mars doesn't have a magnetic field so it doesn't even have one

>>16126240
died from water molecule shenaigans maybe

>>16126237
>>16126241
Just fyi, anyone who wants to follow China space news closely can just check out @卡尔达瓦里希 on Weibo (a very good account for this purpose) and use translation software. I'm not very reliable as a relay and filter

>>16126257
>retard actually confusing particle "radiation" with electromagnetic radiation
OH NO NO NO NO AAAAHA HA HA HA HAAA

>>16126257
baiters be like
>ummm sorry sweaty but a statistically measurable increase in cancer rates is a good reason to never colonize the stars
and then completely ignore the fact that they eat microplastics for breakfast

>>16126264
>using Chinese websites overseen by CCP censors

>>16126240
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hBRxwQXmCQ
This guy shows pretty conclusively that microwave's are not real

>>16126274
why did I put an apostrophe there

>>16126272
I’m not that anon nor am I a chink shill, but don’t act like the US gooberment isn’t the queen of spying, censoring, and manipulating public thought

>>16126272
>using American website overseen by CIA niggers

>>16126237
They're ambitious, but you'd have to be if you want any chance of surviving the marketshare fight that's brewing in China. I wouldn't put them in the same place as Landspace or Space Pioneer. Both of those have tested out actual hardware for the Zhuque-3 and Tianlong-3 on the ZQ-2 and TL-2. iSpace have performed hop tests, but the Hyperbola-1 is an all-solid rocket that can't contribute much technical know-how to the SQX-3, and it's a rocket that currently has a 3/6 flight record; the Kuaizhou-1A it ain't.

>>16126279
OK Chang. Make a video where you denounce the Chinese space admin for failing to keep up with SpaceX and blame the shit leadership of Xi for it and call for his replacement.

>40T
>40 Tonnes
>That's 40 tonnes 'folks

>>16126307
Learn to read bozo

>>16125789
Change in velocity is equivalent to the exhaust velocity of the engine times the natural logarithm of the initial mass over the final mass.

>>16125311
just filter all the namefags. been doing this for quite a while now. since moot btfo'd there's no reason not to hide all these faggots.

>>16126261
hmmmm yes that's true but what if I drop rocks on them

>>16126285
>Both of those have tested out actual hardware for the Zhuque-3 and Tianlong-3 on the ZQ-2 and TL-2.
I think TL-3 has no hardware in common with TL-2. The diameter is different, the engines are different, the pad is different. TL-2 uses 3.35m diameter, YF-102 first stage engines, and TH-11 second stage engine. TL-3 will use 3.8m diameter and TH-12 engines. Although ZQ-3 will use a derivative of the engine flown on ZQ-2.

The SQX-2Y hopper is based on the first stage of the SQX-2 rocket, which is basically a smaller version of Hyperbola-3 that iSpace cancelled because the light lift market is on track to be overcrowded in China. I think it confers some technical know-how for SQX-3

> I wouldn't put them in the same place as Landspace or Space Pioneer.
I wouldn't either, although the main reason is funding, as reflected in the infrastructure they can afford to build. LS and SP both have money to build their own pads at Jiuquan for each of their rockets, which is critical to have any hope of achieving high cadence anytime soon. (In addition, SP will use HICAL pad 1 for Hainan launches). iSpace is going to only use shared pads for the time being, and the Weibo post above says this. SP is talking about 30 rockets per year by 2027, while iSpace is talking about 20 SQX-3 per year by 2030 (in addition to 20 SQX-1). Perhaps the three consecutive failures of SQX-1 from February 2021 on contributed to this relative lack of funding.

>>16126285
>Both of those have tested out actual hardware for the Zhuque-3 and Tianlong-3 on the ZQ-2 and TL-2.
I think TL-3 has no hardware in common with TL-2. The diameter is different, the engines are different, the pad is different. TL-2 uses 3.35m diameter, YF-102 first stage engines, and TH-11 second stage engine. TL-3 will use 3.8m diameter and TH-12 engines. Although ZQ-3 will use a derivative of the engine flown on ZQ-2.

The SQX-2Y hopper is based on the first stage of the SQX-2 rocket, which is basically a smaller version of SQX-3 that iSpace cancelled because the light lift market is on track to be overcrowded in China. I think it confers some technical know-how for SQX-3

> I wouldn't put them in the same place as Landspace or Space Pioneer.
I wouldn't either, although the main reason is funding, as reflected in the infrastructure they can afford to build. LS and SP both have money to build their own pads at Jiuquan for each of their rockets, which is critical to have any hope of achieving high cadence anytime soon. (In addition, SP will use HICAL pad 2 for Hainan launches). iSpace is going to only use shared pads for the time being, and the Weibo post above says this. SP is talking about 30 rockets per year by 2027, while iSpace is talking about 20 SQX-3 per year by 2030 (in addition to 20 SQX-1). Perhaps the three consecutive failures of SQX-1 from February 2021 on contributed to this relative lack of funding.

a few corrections

>>16126285
>Both of those have tested out actual hardware for the Zhuque-3 and Tianlong-3 on the ZQ-2 and TL-2.
I think TL-3 has no hardware in common with TL-2. The diameter is different, the engines are different, the pad is different. TL-2 uses 3.35m diameter, YF-102 first stage engines, and TH-11 second stage engine. TL-3 will use 3.8m diameter and TH-12 engines. Although ZQ-3 will use a derivative of the engine flown on ZQ-2.

The SQX-2Y hopper is based on the first stage of the SQX-2 rocket, which is basically a smaller version of SQX-3 that iSpace cancelled because the light lift market is on track to be overcrowded in China. I think it confers some technical know-how for SQX-3

> I wouldn't put them in the same place as Landspace or Space Pioneer.
I wouldn't either, although the main reason is funding, as reflected in the infrastructure they can afford to build. LS and SP both have money to build their own pads at Jiuquan for each of their rockets, which is critical to have any hope of achieving high cadence anytime soon. (In addition, SP will use HICAL pad 2 for Hainan launches). iSpace is going to only use shared pads for the time being, and the Weibo post above says this. SP is talking about 30 rockets per year by 2027, while iSpace is talking about 20 SQX-3 per year by 2030 (in addition to 20 SQX-1). Perhaps the three consecutive failures of SQX-1 from February 2021 on contributed to this relative lack of funding.
edited post, made some corrections

im bored
>iran and israel go to war
>the west helps israel
ok but how does the space domain go? does the space force use x-37b to nudge iranian satellites out of orbit? does the NSA use a secret cyber attack to brick ground stations?

>>16126272
If you're looking for good aggregators of Chinese space news, Chinese websites are indeed relatively good places to find them. It's usually more fruitful than trying to find them on, say, Italian websites.

The sources for most Chinese space news are clips/posts/articles/interviews/press releases posted on Chinese websites, or interviews/reporting on Chinese TV, so you're going to be directly or indirectly using Chinese media platforms if you're trying to follow Chinese space news

Cancel MSR
Point and laugh at Euros

>>16126351
this aint ksp buddy.

>>16126285
>if you want any chance of surviving the marketshare fight that's brewing in China
A slide from a presentation "trends in the commercial space industry in China" by Space Pioneer boss Kang Yonglai. This list does, of course, not include secret military constellation projects that might be in the works, nor the litany of individual payloads that combined constitute yet another significant task to launch. There are also rumors that Huawei is interested in participating in a third internet megaconstellation, however they're holding off because launch capacity is too much of a bottleneck.

(the (t) should be (kg) I think)

There is an immense launch demand in China. I think the more likely problem is competition for relevantly skilled labor, component suppliers and launch pads, rather than the competition for customers

>>16126351
The Simorgh is Iran's largest launch vehicle and it can only lift 350 kg. Iran's satellites are vanity-class objects in the eyes of military planners. They don't matter and don't provide any capability worth attacking.

Hacking is a valid option but it's not going to be NASA's department. Mossad has that handled better than NASA ever will.

Do you think Milei will travel to Mars with Musk

>>16126420
No I do not think that, because it is preposterous

>>16126402
They're more experimental than vanity objects, I'd say. Still, even small satellites can have a legitimate reconnaissance ability in lack of anything better, however they don't really matter when compared to the Khayyam satellite Russia sold to Iran which probably uses a lot better tech than anything Iran can currently build, or when compared to what satellite intel Iran might receive from Russia and/or China.

>>16126420
Why? To create the perfect Ayn Rand utopia, free from any Earthly constraints?

>>16126420
this aint /pol/ buddy.

>>16126249
funnily enough the mars base locations spacex is looking at have the criteria of being low elevation, but I think that was mostly for added aerobraking
but getting more shielding from radiation is a bonus too and you get thicker atmosphere for more CO2 for sabatier
solar insolation reduction from the thicker atmosphere in lower elevations would probably be completely neglible

>>16126420
More likely to do with Tesla setting up shop in Argentina and Starlink access

>>16126455
higher temperature at lower areas too

>>16125616
why is the pisslock green?

>>16125949
>this one didn't crash
impressive, they're making progress.

>>16126029
please actually do this, i want to see a bunch of retarded redditors get shot dead for trying to interfere with a launch, better yet, get fucking cooked alive by the heat and vibrations as it takes off.

we should tie people like this to the water deluge plate during launch to make an example.

>>16126480

>>16125339
>Merica beats Europe to its namesake moon
Step up your game, Eurocucks.

Here's a question: Why did SpaceX promotional material get so much worse over the past 8 years?
We go from abolutely awe-inspiring music in the original ITS video, to the modern shit with generic techno futurist slop music which looks and sounds like it was made by someone on fivver

>>16126490
Because a tranny is in charge of production, next question

>>16126493
this is actually true, not a joke

https://youtu.be/hw4f21xw4bo

All Starship testing

>>16126496
proof?

>>16126490
Because it went from concept to development, do you expect every concept idea they have to look like what it will when they have to actually build it? Stop being a fucking neanderthal.

>>16126498
tried to find him but there was one posting about his transition and whatever, can't seem to find it
google just turns up musks anti-tranny views and one of his sons

>>16126023
Kek

>>16126504

>>16126507
I am disgusted by transvestites; I wish Musk and Shotty would just show them all the door (airlock)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lk8HlCDXM_0
Time for your daily starlink launch
T-55:00

Physiognomy status?

>>16126514
Mars-optimized

>>16126514
It’s called being barrel-chested and they used to make men like this Lords of entire fiefdoms

>>16126516
Audible kek, congrats anon.

>>16125728
>cirnocel got banned
>frogGODS remain
frog board, frog website, frog general.

>>16126513
again?

>>16126519
>>16125812
Oops nvm gonna kms

>>16126524
There's always another one. The Falcon after this one is launching on Wednesday with a commercial customer

https://twitter.com/Harry__Stranger/status/1778783803823272414
>Vandenberg Space Force Base
>Image captured 2024-04-09 19:04:03 UTC.

https://twitter.com/Harry__Stranger/status/1778765793297383433
>High resolution satellite imagery of SpaceX's Starbase facilities as Flight 4 of Starship comes closer.
>Captured yesterday at 17:06:47 UTC. Full and interactive image on @Soar_Earth: http://soar.earth/maps/18536

>>16126507
Bottom left looks like the actor who plays Danny Stevens in For All Mankind.

>>16126530

https://twitter.com/VickiCocks15/status/1778834329222697453

>>16126529
It's going to be great seeing Falcon Heavy launch from here

https://twitter.com/EzekielOverstr1/status/1778812865337602467
>Another shot of our awesome building here at SpaceX Starlink down in Bastrop Texas

>>16126534
>actuator replacement
hydraulichuds simply canmot stop losing

>>16126534
>cocks

>>16126501
are you retarded? he's clearly remarking on the quality of the presentation rather than what the vehicle looks like.

>>16126548
No you are a lying faggot, clearly he meant the vehicle and is seething about recent changrs.

Reminder. 40T

40 trannies?

>>16126559
Out of a preoperational prototype that's still at the phase of discovering Door and Valves Stuck

>>16126560
and that's terrible

>>16126571
He'll get so fat from eating 40 cakes... wait is he eating 40 trannies??

>>16126560
Made me audibly lol hahah

4 bings to 20th flight https://twitter.com/i/broadcasts/1BdGYrMMomXJX

launch
yawn

Max-Qute!

>>16126578
Thoughts on TFD?

>>16126576
is this the first twentieth booster reflight? I don't actually care about the launch either way but i guess it'd be interesting to know

Everyone laughed at reuse in 2015, myself included.
At one point everyone doubted 10 reuses, then 11. 15 seemed impossible…

>>16126590
>Everyone laughed at reuse in 2015, myself included.
Nah just you

>>16126591
It was everybody.

>>16125456
>about the angara launch
Supposedly it deployed an additional cubesat in LEO besides the one we know about. What are those sneaky Russians up to?

>>16126590
I didn't laugh. I wasn't paying attention to spaceflight in 2015

>>16126588
Yep. Just over halfway to topping Discovery's 39 mission total.

>>16126592
not really, I wasn't laughing or skeptical just hopeful and interested

>>16126237
i literally dont give a shit about chinese powerpointware
until something flies stop posting

>>16125667
>18m diameter vehicle
ITS, my beloved

>>16125648
>already stretching the vehicle before it even flies once

just start wider...

>>16126588
in addition, by my count this is the 323rd Falcon 9 launch attempt, which equals the Soviet Vostok record from the Cold War era. Next milestone: surpass Proton's 429 launches. Crazy to think that will probably happen next year!

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1778965865960190094

>>16126636
https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1778964420246577414

these pics are kino

>>16126640

>>16126642

>>16126644

>>16126644
>the flame lighting up the surface of the water
kino

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1778970344872955914

https://twitter.com/edwards345/status/1778972928853602471
>Attaining a new milestone of 20 launches with a single booster in <4 years represents a formidable accomplishment. However, ensuring this feat was achieved safely and reliably has posed a monumental challenge. This achievement not only speaks to the remarkable capabilities of the Falcon 9 but also highlights the extraordinary competence and constant vigilance of the Falcon team. Bravo!

nice booster reuse.
unfortunately, I prepared an infographic where I'm SMART and you need 10 reuses to break even

>>16125535
>Starship however is the final answer
Or maybe it's less of an answer and more of a solution. to the earther problem

>>16126588
Yep. First of the manny, keeping spacex fresh

https://twitter.com/maxhaot/status/1778980788433813661

>>16125807
>>16125804
61 seconds. it really is just one guy

>>16126685
40 trannies still seething

>>16126133
please fucking cancel it. it's getting to be a worse budgetary albatross than fucking SLS. it will set all mars missions back by literal decades.

>>16126519
I doubt it

>>16126665
The underlying assumptions of this entire chart are invisible, but it's self-evident that they're fatally flawed.

>>16126133
Reminder, federal INTEREST is 1.5T per year now. Not debt, INTEREST ALONE. Its set to grow to double in the next year or two. Its unfathomably bad

>>16126650
>It even took a lot of effort for me to convince everyone on my team in the beginning that reuse, particularly via propulsive landing, was the right move!
So was he just lucky then? Sounds like his team were the ones that do all the work.

>>16126680
https://twitter.com/launcher/status/1778979975757992375

Huh, that's actually pretty neat.

>>16126665
Always wondered were there smug redditfags that spammed this image on other websites anytime falcon 9 was mentioned.

>>16126699
this mean nothing to me, I’m a financial midwit

>>16126704
come on anon, its not rocket science

>>16126704
Official US gov says inflation is only ~"3.5%" but real life shows that its close to 30-40%.

Its not just one off thing, entire industry prices have gone up by 30-80%

>>16126714
What it basically means is there is no real budget for space. The 25B for space is now worth 30-50% less due to inflation.

>>16126700

>>16126133
Just land a probe with a return stage and a robot arm, scoop up some Mars soil and dump it into the return stage. Now you have a relatively cheap sample return mission with no need for fancy retrieval helicopters and such. To save even more money, dispense with the heat shield and fancy guidance/propulsion and pay SpaceX to retrieve it from solar orbit so no need for an expensive Mars orbit retrieval vehicle.

>>16126716
Ohhhhh ohhh oh oh. Huh, I’ve never considered that but it makes sense.

>>16126736
>scoop up some Mars soil and dump it into the return stage
not worth doing. one of the big issues with msr is we know so much about mars already from a half dozen rovers that analyzing whatever random soil you happen to land on top of in a lab on earth is probably less valuable than looking at hand selected samples with only the tools on a rover. all you get is the prestige and apparently that isn't worth the 500 million dollars even a stripped down mission would cost.

>>16126742
There's still controversy on whether the Viking lander experiments detected life. Landing there and bringing back the same soil Viking analyzed could be very informative.

>>16126687
Dont steal my fucking joke you fat nigger, Im the one that got your ass with the newfag filter too.

>>16126745
There’s no controversy brother, just popsoi hype

>>16126704
The US gov's revenue is roughly 4.5T a year, interest on the debt is 1.5T, so a third of revenue is used just to pay interest. Budget cuts are politically untenable so the debt has to keep growing and this will only get worse
Interest rates also can't come down because inflation is not under control

>>16126752
>just popsoi hype
Maybe so. I just recall reading somewhere that they found perchlorates on Mars and adding the nutrient solution to the Viking samples created a solvent that would kill any organisms if they were present. Probably wouldn't hurt to analyze the same samples under controlled lab conditions.

>>16126766
How did this happen?

test

>>16126766
why is there debt? what created the debt?

>>16126766
Dumb it down even further. I know what those words mean, but what the fuck is the “government’s revenue”??? wtf is debt like what, do we owe someone money? The US can literally just erase debt (I thought)

>>16126781
>government’s revenue
american's taxes is the government's revenue
>do we owe someone money?
yes. the government spends more than its revenue and takes on debt from other countries and banks
>The US can literally just erase debt (I thought)
the US can print money and pay off the debt which causes further inflation.

>>16126781
gov revenue = tax collection
The US owes money to people who buy the debt because they think it's a safe investment (a lot of is owned by us banks, some by Japan and China, etc)
No they can't erase debt they have to pay, if they don't then the US will not be able to borrow money anymore
If it can't borrow money then it will have to reduce it's yearly budget by 2T (the yearly deficit), which is not really possible so instead they can print money to try to cover the debt but that will cause hyperinflation and collapse the economy

>>16126785
>reduce it's yearly budget by 2T (the yearly deficit), which is not really possible
kill yourself. it is easy in fact.
just spend less money than you make have you ever run a lemonade stand?

>>16126773
Because no one did shit when they shitcanned the gold standard so the powers that be could print infinite fake money and distribute it to their friends while.impoverishing everyone else.

>>16126776
It's the basic function of how fiat currency works, currency is created by borrowing it and paying it back with interest. It's mathematically impossible to pay back and once it hits a certain point the system goes more or less exponential until it fails.

>>16126781
I assume he is talking about tax take and no the debt cannot be erased unless you want to destroy the United States as a political entity since it would render the dollar valueless.

>>16126788
yeah just say goodbye to your social security easy

>>16126775
consider not using a tripcode that mentions our general by name. thanks

>>16126789
This has nothing to do with fiat.
And it's not inevitable either.
It is directly the fault of drooling retards in government who come up with terms like "deficit" to normalize spending more than you have.
Have they ever tried just not doing that?

>>16126788
You are talking about reducing the yearly budget by one third and all that does is cover one (1) single years interest payment. What are you going to cut? Military? Sorry buddy locksneed and boing paid off the decision makers. Social services? Yep, have fun with niggers burning the country to the ground when the gibs stop. Medicare? No politician will ever do this because boomers will annihilate them next election, same goes for social security. Lemonade stand LMAO ok bro.

Proontfag here. Long time no see /sfg/. Just shopping by to remind everyone that we are 3 months away from the conclusion of a NASA year long habitation of a 3d printed mars habitation simulation!

>>16126792
>This has nothing to do with fiat.
>And it's not inevitable either

Financial midget detected.

>Have they ever tried just not doing that?

Yeah man, I'm sure the politicians who are bought and paid off pawns will suddenly vote against their own bribe money, retirement gigs and backhand deals because... ????

>>16126795
You can probably optimize all those areas to cut by one third and the some while delivering the same outcome.
Military and medicare has like a 10x scam factor. Just competently engineer it to be cheaper.

>>16126795
also even if the military budget went to 0 that would only be 25% of the reduction needed

>>16126798
Not an argument for your point. I agree the money is fake it's just that additionally there's too much spending.
Politicians don't suddenly become more honest when their bribe money is backed by gold instead of by nothing.

>>16126800
None of the industries involved wants their profits to go down, they can and do kill people over it. Shit, boing killed thay whistleblower just the other week. There are no incentives for any government officials to bring the hammer down because voters just mindlessly vote red or blue while industry pays off both sides to keep the money rolling.

>>16126810
>Politicians don't suddenly become more honest when their bribe money is backed by gold instead of by nothing.

Sure, but they can't just print money on demand to fuck over the entire nation with a gold or other commodity back standard. It's a leash that helps keep corruption in check.

>>16126792
How is it not inevitable? There is interest owed on every unit of currency in existence. You have to keep borrowing to pay back the interest, balancing the books is impossible.

>>16126821
You have to pay interest on borrowed money, on debt.
If you have debt you pay it off and don't generate any more.
The government revenue itself isn't borrowed and has no interest owed.

>>16126116
>>16126130
Based Jim poster

Will cats be a danger to colonists or will it be fine to bring them? Im talking about their claws ripping up shit thats critical to the mission.

Hey did anyone archive the HLS award thread from 2021?

>>16126838
it's probably on warosu but just not searchable

>>16126839
:(

>>16126838
>spoonfeed me i can't use the archive for a trivial task
lurk 5 more years

>>16126843
nta but we would long be on the moon by then

>>16126835
lol idk. dont cats have brain parasites or something

>>16126838
warosu is missing data in 2021 fireden has it with no images archived moe has it with thumbnails
>but no search enabled
just binary search to the date by post number

>>16125305
Why envision edition? Was something relevant to this spacecraft in the news lately or are you just excited for this amazing mission?

>>16125696
I welcome AI surveillance

This man is Werner Von Braun.

He was a member of the National Socialist German Workers Party throughout Hitler's tenure as Leader/Fuhrer. During the dissolution of the NSDAP he was obtained by the USA's Operation Paperclip program.

He is responsible for much of the development of modern rocketry and jet engine development. If it was not for this man there would not be a single satellite above our heads.

A man subject of much allure and speculation - it is said that he was involved in much occultism. Some say that he was aware of technologies that far surpassed the modern jet engine and that he feared our governments would utilize these technologies against humanity.

>>16126883
ChatGPT

600 billion rubles (6.5 billion us dollars) will be allocated for the creation of a Russian superheavy rocket for flights to the Moon and Mars
The Russian authorities will allocate about 600 billion rubles to create a superheavy rocket for flights to the Moon and Mars. The rocket complex will be built at the Vostochny cosmodrome as part of the state program "Space Activities of Russia". This was announced by Deputy Prime Minister and Head of the Ministry of Industry and Trade of Russia Denis Manturov
The project is going to be launched in 2025. The first flight tests of the superheavy rocket are scheduled for 2033. The project should be implemented by 2035.
In 2024, Russia will launch 123 spacecraft, Manturov said. The launch of the Start-1M conversion launch vehicle is planned for 2026 and the reusable Amur-LNG methane rocket for 2030.

>>16126891
See >>16126887

>>16126896
I ChatGPTd your mom

>>16126838
This should guide you there.

>>16126887
as the author of that post I would like to tell you that you are likely although not certainly incorrect.