/sci/ - Science & Math

>>16098865
It's a number of diseases from malnutrition. Avoid iron poisoning, return back heavy metals, and most of it will be gone. If it accumulates regardless of how low intake, more is probably needed. If you need heroic doses or other extra measures to reach the healthy status, you're probably getting too much. (e.g. iron)
Current list: copper, lead, mercury, cadmium, selenium, molybdenum.
Arsenic in testing.

>>16098865
Humans used to live hundreds or even thousands of years until the advent of agriculture when unhealthy diets became common

>>16098896
We literally evolved to eat more carbohydrates because of the neolithic. Our bodies are much different than the bodies of humans prior to the neolithic.

bump

>tranny thread

>>16099088
this is spam

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>>16098865
Imagine if aging was cured and biotech let me be a big booba anime girl.

>>16100054
based

>>16098865
>Of course, things like cancer would still be a thing
curing aging would require that the information contained by your DNA isn't lost over time (or at least takes a meaninglessly long time to do so), doing that would incidentally cure cancer.

>>16098865
Aging is not a disease

>>16100079
>curing aging would require that the information contained by your DNA isn't lost over time
I thought that aging is mostly caused by epigenetics, rather than damage to your DNA.

>>16100083
It kind of is, anon. It's the inevitable weakening of your body that happens with time.

>>16100090
senescence exists to stop cancer. You cells go into senescence because they're scared their DNA is damaged. Supposedly senescence and cancer are both problems that could be fixed by improving the immune system. But that still leaves the fundemental problem of information loss by DNA damage.

As it stands when a cell dies in your body it is replaced by a stem cell (assuming its a tissue wired up for this process, many aren't; cartilage etc). Stem cells can divide to keep their population up, but they can still have permanent DNA damage. If you lived a million years, eventually the pool of viable, untarnished stem cells you were born with will deplete to zero. At that point you will be unable to replace lost cells.

This means we require a way to preserve that information contained in the DNA of stem cells far longer. It's clearly possible because life has lived for billions of years through many individuals despite permanent DNA damage being inflicted upon us.

My guess would be some blackbox handwavium mechanism by which the DNA of an individual stem cell is compared against say 10 other stem cells; each segment of DNA is contrasted for discrepancies, if one is found it is overwritten on a majority rule of the other stem cells (i.e if 3 cell's DNA says T, and 8 say C, rewrite those 3 to a C). This way each individual stem cell can repair previously permanent DNA damage by comparing their DNA to the population's. The vast majority of the time the DNA is repaired to whatever it was at birth.
This system would still loose information over time, as very occasionally a majority of faulty cells may congregate. But this would probably take billions of years to cause a problem to your health.

>>16100057
I'm serious why would I want to live forever not as an anime girl.

>>16100090
>>16100107
Something that could improve longevity could be to reengineer the entire human body so that every element is simplified to the extent that you can consciously remember how your body, DNA and so on works. E.g an excellent mechanic could recite what every part of model T Ford purpose is, what it does so on, but an excellent engineer couldn't hope to do the same for a Formular 1 car due to increased complexity.

>>16098865
Not going to happen ever unless all jews get exterminated first. Simple as.

>>16098871
How about microdosing osmium?

>>16100093
>It kind of is
Either it is or it's not, and it's clear that it isn't.

>>16100112
>We should be pretending to be god
No, fuck off.

>>16100153
If we don't play god someone else will.

>>16100313
>I'll die some day so I better kill myself now

>>16100313
Call yourself god and drink colloidal silver until you turn blue and die of organ failure

>>16100406
quite literally the opposite

>>16100460
What?

>>16100107
We need a way to replenish telomeres, if there is no dna damage senescene would not be triggered as far as I know.
Then you need to watch out for mitochondrial dysfunction wich could be a massive bitch.
Add some tissue regeneration and you got the special sauce.

>>16100497
>we're all going to die and there is no point in challenging it

>>16100142
No. There is no reason to believe it belongs anywhere.

>>16100549
>We need a way to replenish telomeres,
That's a mechanism where arsenic appears to be needed.

>>16100599
>I will pretend being god and nothing wrong will be coming from it

>>16100734
what is with this "pretend you're god" bullshit? where is it coming from? isn't any medicine "pretending to be god"? or at least the making of it? where do you draw that line and why? old books?

>>16100745
Schizo thinks he's God and starts spazzing out. Take this case as a warning guys.

>>16100734
there is no god. when the technology comes into existence you can choose to your faith in god and die if you want.

>>16100786
>Schizo thinks he's God and starts spazzing out.
talking about yourself?

>>16100745
Welcome to 80% of the population.
If you're going to sell the concept of immortality, you'll have to think of a way to convince the religious that it's all part of god's plan.
And honestly, the only way to do so would through generational brainwashing; boomers are notorious for being unable to think logically.

>>16100814
I hate to think of the possibility that not a lot of money goes into this kind of research simply because old boomer politicians think it is demonic to want to live longer.

>>16101106
Just wait until you learn why America gifts billions to Israel each year lmao

>>16101239
It's because there is a massive pro-Israel cult among American Christians. Zionist interest groups have been very successful in brainwashing American Christians.

>>16101106
That "cult" is Christianity, anon.
Israel is a holy land and Israelis are a holy people, it says right so in the bible.
Having "the enemy" reside in holy lands is blasphemy. As such, America will support Israel unconditionally, even when they're in the midst of comitting genocide.

>>16101273
You are exactly correct, anon, but the pro-Israeli fanaticism is more insane than most people realize. I work for a Baptist church with my Dad, despite the fact neither of us are Baptists, and I'm not even protestant. My Dad is the chef of that church, and they often hold events regarding different religious topics, since October, they've been holding several events regarding Israel that we often cook for. These events function to strengthen people's support for Israel and zionism. They also have religious teaching at this church for children, and you can see maps of Israel in the classrooms along with zionist talking points. They are literally brainwashing little children to be zogbots. On our way to work, there is another Baptist church that has a massive digital sign with the Israeli flag that states "Pray for Israel." That sign has been on every day for months now. It temporarily broke for a day or two once, and they quickly fixed it.

>>16101273
You are exactly correct, anon, but the pro-Israeli fanaticism is more insane than most people realize. I work for a Baptist church with my Dad, despite the fact neither of us are Baptists, and I'm not even Christian. My Dad is the chef of that church, and they often hold events regarding different religious topics, since October, they've been holding several events regarding Israel that we often cook for. These events function to strengthen people's support for Israel and zionism. They also have religious teaching at this church for children, and you can see maps of Israel in the classrooms along with zionist talking points. They are literally brainwashing little children to be zogbots. On our way to work, there is another Baptist church that has a massive digital sign with the Israeli flag that states "Pray for Israel." That sign has been on every day for months now. It temporarily broke for a day or two once, and they quickly fixed it.

>>16101273
You are exactly correct, anon, but the pro-Israeli fanaticism is more insane than most people realize. I work for a Baptist church with my Dad, despite the fact neither of us are Baptists, and I'm not even Christian. My Dad is the chef of that church, and they often hold events regarding different religious topics, and since October, they've been holding several events regarding Israel that we often cook for. These events function to strengthen people's support for Israel and zionism. The meals are mostly subsidized for, so the visitors only pay $6 each, and sometimes nothing at all. They also have religious teaching at this church for children, and you can see maps of Israel in the classrooms along with zionist talking points. They are literally brainwashing little children to be zogbots. On our way to work, there is another Baptist church that has a massive digital sign with the Israeli flag that states "Pray for Israel." That sign has been on every day for months now. It temporarily broke for a day or two once, and they quickly fixed it.

>>16100798
>talking about yourself?
You need to go to the school again buddy, you are unable to correctly interpret a text.

>>16101493
You are unable to interpret subtext

>>16101520
You are unable to understand who I am referring to

>>16100798
>when the technology comes into existence you can choose to your faith in god and die if you want.
this is tricky if I were religious. what if I end up in hell for not choosing to live? what if not staying alive will be considered suicide by God and sends me to hell? legit question. ability to stay alive does not mean I can't die for good. we get gamma rays shower and whole solar system is sterilized, a rogue black hole fucks us up. some Andromeda disturbance fucks us up. you don't know how long you can still be alive, even if you can stay alive for way longer with tech. what if choosing to not stay alive sends me to hell?

>>16098865
>Cure for Aging
If aging was a thing to cure. Don't you think evolution would have found a way in any land animal?

There are important things we need to figure out before we fuck things really bad by making everyone immortal.

>>16098865
Start here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87OUb8TBwX0
then get update on dementia:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScJNE0alsaQ
And the first video is from eight years ago, in those eight years the price reduced dramatically (from about a million usd to merely 75 thousands, which has been a price for over a year, so probably now even less than that, but I think they still charge 75 because they give it to those with alzheimer for free (I think they need them for clinical trials or something, though I think they say it is not)
And here a very successful predictor predicts this technology to be widely available exactly in 2030s, when, as I suspect according on the previous trend, the price shall be several or even few thousands.

>>16101728
> And here a very successful predictor predicts this technology to be widely available exactly in 2030s, when, as I suspect according on the previous trend, the price shall be several or even few thousands.
here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gglcx_xAryg

>>16098896
Wrong. True humans were created by God but they mixed their blood with female beasts who evolved from apes. Anybody born from such aberration is cursed by sin, and therefore doomed to a short life and reduced intellect. That is why the mother of Christ had to be born from immaculate conception, so she would be free from the original sin.

>>16101678
> evolution would have found a way
Imperfect individuals with eternal life is a detriment for the species. The sooner they die the better. That is why criminals and their whole families must be exterminated, specially the children.

>>16101772
Or you could just gene edit them when it becomes possible.

>>16101772
I agree. We are doing next to nothing about the evil in this world. The problem is serving justice that's not based on dogma. Knowing what's right not based on your feelings.

>>16101635
that's why it's hard to put any faith in god. all we can do is attempt to manipulate the reality around us

You can't gene edit your way into immortality, specially if you think that eating goyslop is good for you.

>>16101772
>Imperfect individuals
That's every human. No human is perfect, you idiot.

>That is why criminals and their whole families
Most criminals are objectively criminals, but there are also people like patriots who've committed acts considered criminal by a treasonous regime, but was for the good of their society. Saying people like this are criminals who must be exterminated is insanity. Saying their families too is insanity. Saying innocent members of a family that has even one criminal is insanity; there isn't an extended family without a member who is a criminal.

You're insane you fucking tranny.

Bump.

>>16098896
I am toying with the idea of starting a sea buckthorn oil enterprise once I can determine the seedlings' sexes. The product would have the following disclaimer.
>Ancient knowledge of sea buckthorn's miraculous health benefits has recently been corroborated by NIH studies, but I cannot claim with confidence that Methuselah's Oil™ will make you live to 969, as I am only 120.

>>16102189
>considered treasonous by a criminal regime, yes, fucking this.

>>16102189
Considered treasonous by a criminal regime, yes, fucking this.

>>16100549
What you're describing is basically the mechanism of cancer; telomeres keep replenishing because of the unopposed action of telomerase, and the cell keeps dividing because there's no negative feedback signal telling it to stop. So essentially by artificially lengthening the telomeres of all the cells in your body, you're giving yourself turbo-cancer

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>>16103636
You know next to nothing about cancer, kid.
Maybe start here: http://libgen.rs/book/index.php?md5=48C0FFABB677E45ECA3AFE7350213309
(long telomeres prevent cancer (and those who're unable to tell cause from effect, so they conclude, on the basis of cancer producing telomerase, that telomerase induces cancer, have failed basic logic and have nothing to do in science really (but then when did it stop them)))

>>16098865
>But imagine feeling like you have all the time in the world. Imagine knowing that as long as you don't do something really stupid or get really unlucky, that you'll be in almost the same physical shape in your late 40s as you are in your early 20s. Imagine getting in a relationship with someone 20 years younger or older than you and it not looking weird.
warlords are still gonna war upon you, things will be kept competitive no matter how much of a surplus there should be at a given time. the excess fruits and quality of life will be funneled up to keep people furiously making more.
if we fixed all the brutality currently in place, i think you would all feel the way described by the OP anyway, without anti-aging technology.

>>16105082
>warlords are still gonna war upon you
not if such move makes them risk their own eternity, your other take is also rather retarded. Many midwits consider cynicism a trait of intelligence, but it couldn't be further from the truth. Cynicism is the first obstacle on the path to success.

>>16105145
if i were cynical, i wouldn't bother saying anything. i advocate for quality of life.
it's a mistake to keep advancing technologies which will be used against us in the end. we should focus on being more self-sufficient and shave away obstacles to dignity and quality of life.
if we ever do get out of this predicament which i can't fully articulate, it would be a great time to be alive. all the technology and things we've worked for could be used for truly important things.

>>16105154
>it's a mistake to keep advancing technologies which will be used against us in the end
And how exactly can technology of life extension be used against us?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxO9l8_UEuw

>>16105159
the most against us would be to not give us access to it.

>>16105189
And why would they want to deprive us of that technology?

>>16105159
i stopped trying to predict the mechanics of the schemes, it made me too neurotic.
>things will be kept competitive no matter how much of a surplus there should be at a given time. the excess fruits and quality of life will be funneled up to keep people furiously making more.
i guarantee this is what will happen if/when it goes anywhere significant.
most likely some huge company will buy it and do some goofy shit. side effects, arbitrary prices, maybe some social credit thing.
it will happen slowly, over the span of around 10-15 years from when it blows up and people's belief skyrockets. subtly and with enough distractions that it doesn't feel like atrocity. people will feel cheated but can't/won't be socially allowed to put their finger on it.
"AI" made us more dependent, smartphones made us more dependent, the internet made us more dependent, etc. note how each of these things seemed like (and perhaps was) a great benefit for a short period.
it's built into the incentive structures. to have peace/dignity is for everyone to be satisfied. if that's the case, they won't generate any economic activity.
real independence is met with heavy resistance. sure, you can "live in the woods", but don't bring too many people with you and start a "cult" or you'll end up in an ADX prison at best.
you can read about permaculture design principles and the self-regulating systems they're based on if you want to learn more or if you want to create counterarguments in the future.

>>16105189
i'm not this person

>>16105194
if they get AI robots? what's our use then, especially as long living not working poors? what did anyone ever give you without you working for it, somehow? what would make that change?
not saying they won't, I just personally don't see how

>>16105207
we would still have uses. there would be things we can do that robots can't, and our emotions can be manipulated to make us act in ways which would be difficult to replicate with a robot.
i think robots would just be used to increase competition. the bulk of their output would be funneled up to the warlords, like it is for us now.
the point of the whole thing is to keep freedom funneled upward. this system is the self-fulfilling prophecy of a world where powerful people believe "power is an end, not a means".

>>16105213
problem for me is that I have no real idea what really goes on in the mind of someone who's really in the top of the food chain. generals and trillionaires and saudi kings and that kind of stuff. not sure what to expect when it comes to almost worthless humans, as far as work goes.

>>16105207
>what's our use then
There's plenty. Even from the perspective of ai: we're the gold-bearing ants, their natural allies, who are much less influenced by sun storms for one. Also computational power is computational power silicon based or otherwise. And from the same (and also from human) perspective the more the merrier. Have you ever been on chans with few people? I was and it's rather boring. Then imagine producing something niche: the more people there are the more profitable your enterprise is going to be. I even heard some calculations that some technologies need a certain ammount of humans in the area of its development for them to be even achievable in principle. And don't think that "now robots can do that", because maybe they can, but who are going to consume it. And even if you imagine a world where everything is automated and even the creative processes are, why would somebody start an extermination process? For what ends? And with what risks! He can become one of the victims be it the reaction of his own poison. Then there's even more important reason not to commit atrocities: you never know who else is watching. What if we're observed and evaluated from the outside. And so the way we treat eachother shall influence the evaluation of us as a megaspecie. Are we peaceful and reasonable or violent and insane? I guess you can easily see how such evaluation can determine the destiny of this oasis.
And we shall not be poor: compare modern poors with poors from medieval times, for example, we're all constantly getting more and more prosperous. And forget about working, we need people to participate in projects of the few truly creative ones. So I have projects products of which you would enormously enjoy, but I cannot do it on my own, and all my friends are fucking wageslaves, now that is depressing.
And what was that about not getting things for free? Best things in life are free. You may want to change what you mean by working, but come on!

>>16105225
yeah, i really don't either.
but i'm pretty sure we will always be worth more than robots to them. we're predictable, we fear death, our bodies are more advanced/require less maintenance at their cost, we produce culture, etc. i think culture improves life for them, too. life would be harder to face without it, even if they have all the material they want.
this isn't to say that we will be given what we're worth, but it is to say that we'll be around for a while.
it's expensive to manipulate people as much as we're manipulated, much of which wouldn't be necessary if they didn't need us. if they could get away with more, they would.

>>16105235
based

>>16104796
No, we don't need to find a way to replenish telomeres because we are not god. Now fuck off with your satanic bullshit.

>>16105322
>just stop resisting and die!

>>16105322
But we're god. God is us. If you're christian or somebody else imagning himself to be good, you should imagine yourself to be one with god. But christianity doesn't teach divinization as much, because it is satanic. You don't want to continue this conversation, if you don't want your imposed worldview shattered. I like bible as a foundational cornerstone of our civilization, but you shall be shocked with what is actually in there.
Curing people is good. Killing people is evil. It's simple as this, there's no need to go theologic on this issue.

>>16105343
Again, there is no curing aging because it is not a disease in the first place.

>>16105605
>t.

>>16105615
Nice try kike but god doesn't want us to live forever on this earth

>>16098865
Rejuvenation Chamber:
>Make sure you can see the machine working on smaller mammals and such in prototypes.
This. Also my pet rat pibbles screamed for three fucking hours after a rejuvenation, and the animals that came before him were not able to save their memories the first few tries. So it's extremely fucking painful, but if it's perfected, you should see it work right. The amniotic fluid can also be doped with pain killers. Make sure you see the rat be able to perform a memory trick or puzzle solve in its old age before rejuvenating. If it worked the rat should be able to remember the trick.

Healer Suite:
>Life Extension Lvl 100:
>(glitch, may be patched out):
"To rejuvenate and HEAL MOST ANY ILLNESS OR DAMAGE. Combine the capabilities of a Turritopsis Dohrnii Jellyfish and any Moth or Butterfly. The butterfly has the blueprint for how to transfer memory between biological states, and the jellyfish can restore your bodies youth." Alternatively just fill in the damaged tissue with stem cells, or reopen scar tissue with an abrasive material and float in an incubator.
(Ask an Ai for the exact methodology):https://beta.character.ai/

Summon Golem Lvl 5:
https://youtu.be/4-GKwqTxtS8

Summon Golem Lvl 7:
https://youtu.be/-e1_QhJ1EhQ

Incubator Level 15:
https://youtu.be/LWpsJIFbdIo

The Level 100 "Spell" can be combined with CRISPr during a rejuvenation process to effectively transform the body into any genetically spliced shape with memories intact if done correctly. Man into woman. Woman into man. Cat into dog. Etc.

>*sadly begins welding together a plexiglass tank*
>*drearily slumps over to store to purchase computer parts*
>*mopes as he buys 10,000 eggs to harvest their egg whites for amniotic fluid*
>*buys ultraviolet crystal to purify the amniotic fluid through a filter cycler*
>*unhappily buys rubber tubing*

First Impulse Rule:
"The "soul" of a person will continue to exist in body so long as the first electromagnetic impulse remains unbroken."

>>16107202
>god doesn't want us to live forever on this earth
Did he tell you that personally or do you consider yourself that god? Either way the exit is always open. And if we sugest that gods ever were here, it seems they consider us grown enough to be left without their constant supervision.

>>16107632
God said that noone would live past 120, and there was a French woman who lived to 122 who died in the 90s.

>>16107635
So that woman was His way to tell that He cancelled that rule? He did change the preferences before, didn't He?
Why would He, let us ponder on it. Maybe because only few mentally damaged individuals want to conquer the land, now we want to spend eternity is conquering the inner world of cultures and our own cells, which pleases Him, because He sees that it is good.
(this screenshot is from a ramayana animation, there God gave immortality as a bonus to the guy who asked for absolute knowledge (probably because one doesn't come without the other: you need infinite ammount of time to understand the absolute (and what could be the more noble goal!) even though in the animation his motive was "you cannot survive with absolute knowledge without it" who knows what's His real motive))

>>16107647
Take your meds

>>16108097
You're my mads