/sci/ - Science & Math

>>16085126
DOODOOSHIT

>>16085126
Then you'll have to place them into foster care, which is full of weirdos who end up destroying the kids.

>>16085126
Growing artificial babies won't fix the issue that many can not afford to adequately care for children.

>>16085153
If giving people money fixed poverty, then handing out diplomas would fix stupidity.
Parents can't afford to care for their kids because they have dead end jobs and waste money on frivolous things

>>16085126
Just raise taxes and pay women to have kids, Make it as attractive as full time jobs. Pay it by taxing those who do not have kids. Make it ruinous to not have kids and life on easy mode for those who do have kids.

Self solving problem in the long run...

>>16085153
>many can not afford to adequately care for children
Meanwhile Africans living in extreme poverty still manage to have 6+ kids each.

>>16085126
I've long considered a conditional basic income for things like participating in a national predictions market and having kids, i think it's a good move.

Just let me loose in South Korea, by the time I'm finished they'll have an overpopulation crisis

>>16085164
That is how you guarantee babies will get raped, killed and eaten.

>>16085164
That is fucking stupid, that will only focus the hate of society on people with kids and specially their kids.

>>16085147
Why? Why can't a male be a single parent, if delusional feminist whores are allowed to have kids and mess their mental health?

>>16085183
They live in villages, so kids are useful workers in the household, also they can build a shack for every kid or allow them live in multigeneration home.

>share office with three dudes
>two are fathers, 3rd guy and me are single
>both fathers always looked bombed every morning
>kids scream and piss the bed at night, keeping them up
>one dude has a stepson who is about to fail high school and just got fired for stealing at work
>meanwhile single dude and i can chill and game every day, along with 8 hours of sleep
they're not really selling the family man dream to us

>>16085268
Motherless homes tend to have outcomes similar to that of a traditional two parent home while fatherless homes lead children to grow up with all manner of problems. So maybe that could work. OP sounded like he wanted the government to create a bunch of parentless children, which is even worse than fatherless homes. But if he meant men should be able to start a family without involving a woman, that might be doable.

>speed grow babby in tube, get the body of 20 year old in just one year
>chip implant in brain gives babby basic college education
>at birth the babby is a confused adult
>robots and professionals get them up to speed in a few weeks time
>fully functional adult in less than 20 months

>>16085286
What are the mothers doing? Are they leaving the home to go work in some corporate cubicle farm? Or do they stay at home, taking care of the household and children (or prepping them for school and their after-school time)?
>step-father
Already lost the game.

>>16085302
>leaving the home to go work in some corporate cubicle farm
of course, staying at home, taking care of family and home is what the patriarchy wants
spending time earning money for a company is powerful

so now they're PAYING Japanese to boat over there and plow their females

>>16085313
just like my anime

>>16085126
Hitler fixed this
>young married couples can get mortgage from government
>for every kid 25% of the loan is forgiven
solves everything
people will be incentivised to get relationships. Instead of two single person households we get 1 family household. And people are incentivised to breed.
What's wrong with this?

>>16085225
>that will only focus the hate of society on people with kids and specially their kids.
These bugs will do nothing. Mindless working drones afraid of authority and shadows. They are born to work and pay.

>>16085126
10k... lol, lmao even

>>16085126
Easy, just send them to America where everybody gets knocked up at 17

>>16085518
Don't Koreans hate... everybody? They look down even on other Asians. They're not going to want any of the fat mutts and weebs we got here in Burgerland.
captcha HAGY8

>>16085126
Why won't our governments just give way more meaningful sums than that? 50k per baby, for instance. It's literally the most important thing for our future, and 50k is actually very little when compared to how much money the average person will pay back in his lifetime. In fact, the useless criminal bums we are importing from Africa are far more expensive than 10k, and they cost that every god damn year.

>>16085126
Extinction is way fucking easier than jettisoning women from the species through artificial wombs (in a psychological sense; technically it is the simpler alternative). So, except in isolated cases, never.

Also initiatives like OPs pic is at best dysgenic and counterproductive by encouraging native replacement. In reality the amount of money required by a woman to breed with a man they're not attracted to is orders of magnitude greater than the proposed sum and grows greater every day.

>>16085374
>What's wrong with this?
It might cause white people to have families.

>>16085518
America is already deeply negative fertility, falling continuously and the rate at which the rate is falling is accelerating.

Maybe there is something in common with American and Korean women?

>>16085153
>>16085164
Fertility is negatively correlated with wealth. Even programs offering cash4kids initiatives (rather than the exorbitant tax breaks and programs which are standard) do not drive fertility hire in the *literally dozens* of nations which have funded such studies.

>>16085126
South Korea is a circumcised and broadly Americanized nation. ie it's poisoned through and through.

>>16085581
The average net output of every demographic is negative except what, white and east asian males? If it were merely a monetary problem it would be simply overpowered by monetary policy.

>>16085374
In burgerstan they already have state-sponsored first time homebuying, all it did was hyperinflate their residential real estate lmao. This would be like the worst parts of that scheme mixed with the most hilarious perverse incentives imaginable.

>>16085313
Japanese men won't even impregnate Japanese women. Getting them to impregnate South Korean women would be even more difficult.

>>16085374
The marranos will never allow such a thing.

>>16085374
>What's wrong with this?
You for believing that you can extract a single variable out of a complex entity and cleanly insert it into a completely different context with the same outcome.

>>16085592
True. Only latinos are keeping that number above Korean levels.

>>16085627
Shoo shoo! go somewhere else and don't come back.

>>16085126
Village set-ups instead of the anonymous commie block set-up would have helped enormously with letting small children play together without each parent having to supervise them individually all the time. By the time, kids are 9 or 10, you can leave them alone for extended times (that is before it gets dark)

>>16085126
Let the population collapse. The only people who give a shit are "line must go up" businessmen and racists.

>>16085126
I don't think that artificial wombs will be made since if you think about logistics, you have to test it on real human embryos and parents have to agree to the testing

>10k
That is fucking nothing lmao

>>16085374
>Hitler fixed this

Shhh... we are suppose to pretend that EVERY THING Hitler/NAZI did was evil

>>16086317
>Shhh...
Return to reddit.

>>16086326
>Return to reddit.

we are expanding... the outreach program is needed to increase advertising revenue for our Chosen People owners

I don't have kids because I don't have a gf/wife. I also have a low paid dead end job, it's comfy enough and pays enough money for me to survive but if I wanted kids I'd need a better job and to work more hours (a one off payment of 10k or 20k won't do much). Also women in age range of 20-30 who want to have kids will look primarily for a high earner successful male, who also have to be moderately handsome and with a large number of friends.
I can't afford to have kids. I am not successful enough or good looking to attract a woman, I see no reason to change my current easy life for a stressful 16 hour work day just to make more money, even then if that job is not prestigious enough, women won't give my any attention.

>>16085627
That's just lotta words and no real response
>>16085614
>In burgerstan they already have state-sponsored first time homebuying, all it did was hyperinflate their residential real estate lmao. This would be like the worst parts of that scheme mixed with the most hilarious perverse incentives imaginable.
how would it inflate residential real estate prices? You can only do it once. Nowadays we have too many single person households. It would merge them together so decreasing real estate prices.
I mean if you set up a maximum determined per state, you wouldn't get inflation if you also go fascist and punish those twat developers who try to price in the government money and sell a 400k house for 700k. If they do that just beat the living shit out of those people. Foreign investors in real estate are a cancer that must be eradicated btw. No use letting foreigners invest in native land.

>>16086443
>if you also go fascist and punish those twat developers who try to price in the government money and sell a 400k house for 700k.
Why do people always bring these fantasy solutions to real world problems?
Who, which goverment is going to go "fascist' in this day and age? How can you punish developers who want to sell their properties at high price? Punishing them would be basically be taking control of the prices, this is not possible in free market economy. The complete solution on how you would deal with such problems under fascism/communism, is irrelevant in western world it also adds nothing to the conversation.

>>16085277
What an absolute cope of an excuse. The only reason people in western countries don't have children is because they don't want children.

>>16085286
I have a two year old at home. It’s difficult for me to articulate why it’s worth it, but it is the best thing that ever happened to me - despite having little to no free time.

Anyway, these are all bandaid solutions. Governments need to drastically drop the cost of housing if they want people to have more kids (building housing supply comes before even environmental considerations).

>>16086483
>Who, which goverment is going to go "fascist' in this day and age? How can you punish developers who want to sell their properties at high price? Punishing them would be basically be taking control of the prices, this is not possible in free market economy.
I didn't actually mean fascist. I meant that fascism did provide. alternative solutions to some problems of the free market economy. If we'd give every young family a mortgage that'd be wiped clean by having enough children, any sane developer and bank would just up their prices by the amount of the loan so there'd be no use to it for the family. But that money would just directly go to the upper classes owning the developer companies and the banks. Somehow you'd want to prevent that. A free market economy naturally descends into a monopoly and in fact there are no free market economies anywhere. There's always government regulation. Social democracy is just another form of mild fascism from that point of view.
So no I do not mean actual fascism. I meant a social democratic policy where developers are prevented from abusing such a subsidy to young families to just up their prices and make a profit with no effort on their own.
You don't actually believe we operate with a free market economy, right? Standard oil would've been a deserved monopoly in that case and not just that it'd be allowed to up its prices to maximise wealth extraction from the middle classes after obtaining the monopoly. Surely you agree that some measure of government control is necessary to prevent subsidies just flowing to the pockets of those already rich? I'm not advocating communism or any extreme ideology. I'm however of the opinion that if we'd go through with such a subsidy, and a developer did up its prices, then that developer should be punished for clearly abusing that subsidy to his own advantage to the detriment of exactly the group of people we're trying to help.

>>16085597
>Even programs offering cash4kids initiatives (rather than the exorbitant tax breaks and programs which are standard) do not drive fertility hire in the *literally dozens* of nations which have funded such studies.
The amlounts offered have been pitiful so far. It has to be as good as a job. Make sure that a woman with 3 kids gets an average income, paid by turbotaxing everyone else.

>>16086443
So what, just pump in a cool hundred trillion printed burgerbucks and sort it out with price controls afterward? They can't even do price controls now.

How about we just use that money for artificial wombs and solve the problem *everywhere, forever*?

>>16086778
The impact of wealth on fertility is sharply negative. Using the figures found by these studies, even the highest positive impact (+0.11 fertility /8K*year/first child) the marginal income gained from the direct subsidy has a lower positive effect than the negative effect of the women being richer!

What's the plan, remove all women from the workforce so their only possible income is from kids? How are you voting that shit in?

>>16085126
the technology for artificial wombs is COMPLETE AND UTTER SHIT right now. It can't grow from embryos, the fetus has to be quite developed. The technique for growing lambs in plastic bags is based on cutting off the placenta and oxygenating it with ECMO. Our famous /sci/ schizoposters would probably go wild about this. It's like CLAMPing on steroids. You see, ECMO fucking sucks. It's incredibly expensive, labor intensive, and it causes clots. In short, artificial wombs are sci-fi fucking fantasy at the moment.

>>16085160
>because they have dead end jobs
Because most jobs in the economy are designed to be dead ends and most people can't compete with billion dollar corpse orations..

>>16085126
Make housing more affordable and give more opportunities and better pay to men while making divorce less favorable to women

>>16085126
it depends, how cheap can you make artificial wombs? can you go below $10,500?