/sci/ - Science & Math

>>16083169
you need the meds

>>16083169
>infinite amount of digits so therefore every possible sequence of digits exists in the digits of pi.
Just because a number is irrational doesn't mean it contains every possible finite sequence of digits. Consider for example the irrational number 0.01001000100001000001...

>>16083180
This is circular reasoning, the number 0.010010001000010000001... is clearly rational because eventually there will be an infinite amount of 0s

>>16083169
>has an infinite amount of digits so therefore every possible sequence of digits exists in the digits
Fallacious reasoning. The decimal form of one third has an infinite number of digits, yet all of them are 3 and you obviously cannot find every possible sequence of digits in it.

>but you can with pi
I'm not disputing that. I'm refuting the part I quoted.

>>16083227
Yeah and its rational

>>16083169
>>16083180
Only the digits you compute will ever be real. Beyond that is just pure fantasy.

>>16083169
Anon, come on, it's so simple, pi is irrational because it's an attempt to quantify a qualitative property of reality which has no definitive boundary.

>>16083366
The number is never ending but reality becomes discrete when you zoom in enough.

>>16083374
yeah, no

>>16083469
there's mathematical evidence for that tho. what are you basing your claims on?

>>16083480
>there's mathematical evidence for that tho
There's mathematical evidence that our mathematical models don't work at that scale because we're unable to quantify the properties of reality, ergo you have the opposite of evidence, all you've proven is that you have no data about these scales and you aren't able to know anything what's happening on that level, because math is just representing states of a system as numbers, but since you are unable to observe the system at that scale you can't assign any numbers to it

>>16083169
Computation is symmetrical

>>16083499
>evidence that our mathematical models don't work at that scale
I think that's what the mathematical evidence implies, that shit should work if the smallest shit is planck scale. Planck postulate

>>16083169
>every possible sequence of digits exists in the digits of pi
Pi has not been proven to be normal. And that only deals with finite sequences anyway.

>Therefore the sequence "xxxx..." infinite times exists in pi which means pi is some digits then x repeating. X could be 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, whichever infinite sequence of the same digit comes first.
Even if pi were normal, if X in your example is 0, that means an infinite sequence of 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, or 9 does not exist, contradicting your premise that every (or any) infinite sequence exists.

>>16083184
Liouvilles constant contains even longer sequence of zeros. By your reasoning, it should be rational too?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liouville_number

>>16083169
LMAO. You are retarded AF.

>>16083819
>that shit should work
I don't think you understand what mathematics is and how it works

>>16083169
> As a programmer I don't usually mess around with mathematical concepts
You don't even know how to code you stupid piece of shit.

>>16083898
his math which checked out for some shit, also predicts spacetime is quantized. same as Einstein's work predicted shit which was eventually confirmed. if anything it's strong evidence, especially since your "no it isn't" means absolutely nothing in comparison.

>>16083909
Are you fucking retarded??
>"he [Planck] considered quantization as being purely a mathematical trick, raher than (as is now known) a fundamental change in the understanding of the world"

>>16083921
you seem to be, for missing the "rather than as is now known". his math has been fucking proven, it's not a trick. we don't have proof that spacetime is quantized, but we have mathematical evidence, from same math which has been proven with other stuff.

>>16083354
There is a base where π is 2.2222222222222...., an infinite sequence of twos.
In base 10 the digits ...dcba represent this number:
a + 10 * ( b + 10 * (c + 10 * (d + ...)))
In that base the digits ...dcba represent this other number:
a + (1/3) * ( b + (2/5) * ( c + (3/7) * (d + ...)))
This algorithm converts π from that infinite sequence of twos into an integer base, implemented using a generator of decimals in base one billion:
https://godbolt.org/z/MzKvxnMKc

>>16083169
(22/7)/sqrt(e^3)

>>16083923
>you seem to be, for missing the "rather than as is now known"
You seem to be, for you are missing the part where the guy who came up with the math thought that quantization was a consequence of higher intelligence making shit up and he would be correct in his assessment

>>16083169
I proved PI is national

>>16083169
>As a programmer
ah, the glue eaters of mathematics

>>16083819
>planck scale
ah, the sub-wit's crack-cocaine

>>16083169
>has an infinite amount of digits
Wrong. It has less digits than the total entropy posibilities of the cosmos. I chaught you violating the laws of thermodynamics, fool

>>16084190
If you didn't realize yet OP is a troll.

>>16084262
oh, you are right, sorry

>>16083184
>is clearly rational
Then what two numbers form the ratio that results in that value?
You do know that is what rational means, right?

>>16083169
>Therefore the sequence "xxxx..." infinite times exists in pi which means pi is some digits then x repeating.
NO, you fucking retard, an infinity of numbers on a single dimension cannot be contained by an infinity of numbers in a single dimension too.

>>16084640
There is no such thing as an "infinity of x" since infinity is the uppermost upper limit rather than a specific number, so x tends toward infinity but can never be infinity.

pi is irrational because perfect circles don't exist in nature

>>16084786
No, it has nothing to do with nature, its that diagonals and curved diagonals can't be represented by square units.

>>16083174
fixing this is beyond the capabilities of contemporary medical science.