/sci/ - Science & Math

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>>16064874
thanks

>>16064870
why would anyone copy falcon heavy

>>16064870
SAST's new reusable methalox rocket.

In fact, this image is from late 2017. They've probably modified the design and enlarged the fairing since then.
http://www.cnr.cn/shanghai/tt/20171117/t20171117_524029086.shtml

>>16064870
Lijian-2 is not intended to be reusable. It's more of Angara A3/A5 style rocket, except each core uses three open cycle engines.

>>16064894
because they like it

>>16064870
Lijian-2 is not intended to be reusable. It's more of Angara A3/A5 style rocket, except each core uses three open cycle engines.

total spacefox death

https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/03/a-hunk-of-junk-from-the-international-space-station-hurtles-back-to-earth/

ISS throwing old batteries into the ocean

>>16064870
adding to the collection

>>16064926
yeah
>>16064928
we fucking know, dipshit, we had a whole skit last thread

https://spacenews.com/iss-schedule-conflicts-delay-starliner-crewed-test-flight-to-may/

is it ever going to launch?
https://strawpoll.com/1MnwO2E8Ln7

>>16064940
>not due to any issues with the spacecraft itself
lies

>>16064940
I don't think even NASA wants starliner at this point

>>16064934

>>16064950
Yet another (unless they go bankrupt first)

>>16064958
Despite being one of the first launch startups in China, I think Linkspace ran out of money and folded

>>16064962

>>16064962
maybe if their names were less gay they would get some funding

>>16064940
I feel sorry for whoever gets slated to fly on it

https://twitter.com/blain63088/status/1766211442280222785

20 tweets long thread

>>16065029
https://twitter.com/RyanHansenSpace/status/1766266425243562331
>The third design is intended to act like an industrial flow restrictor. These are essentially 9m wide plates with orifices that restrict fluid motion. The quantity and size of the orifices would be determined by the flow rate needed for all 33 engines on ascent. /11

>>16065047
You won't be able to walk straight.

>>16065048
Pay for life.

>>16065047
https://twitter.com/RyanHansenSpace/status/1766266433778876477
>From all my testing, the most effective solution involves a structure covering the complete cross-section of the tank while still letting enough propellant through passively to not restrict flow while all 33 Raptor engines are burning through the ascent portion of the flight. If SpaceX has implemented something like this inside B10 it likely looks a bit different. /14

>>16065051
https://twitter.com/RyanHansenSpace/status/1766266439311167598
>As you can see, reducing the deceleration significantly changed the liquid behavior. This isn’t to say that they can reduce the declaration this much, but more to show a combination of changes can have a big impact on giving B10 the best chance at a powered landing in the gulf. /17

Does space exploration make any sense? I mean, think about, whats the point of wasting billions of dollars to go out when everything we want is already here... Yeah i dont deny there are interesting things out there, but even if we find alien life, it wont be as beautiful and as complex as we got here, even if we find planets similar to earth, they wont have such as wonderfull blue sky and soft green grass to set foot on. I think we should stop looking at space, and start protecting our only Spacecraft we have, and its called "Earth".

>>16064870
Muskians kill yourself.
Elonnigger can't even deliver on his cybertruck and EV vaporware promises.
SpaceX vaporware will also go nowhere, just like HyperLoop.
Ironically, HyperLoop was suggested by the Jap and finished first by chinks.
Chinks will rule the space race.

>>16065083
Fuck you, the universe is full of places to put houses and little shops. I want to get the fuck away from the rest of you and that requires human expansion to space, Earth is not big enough for us all no matter how utopian your ideals are.

>>16065083
Sounds like you’re in the bezos school of space, meaning move industry off of earth to keep earth pristine and a nature reserve.

>>16065084
>+1 social credit score

>>16065087
Sets of fours you know are truly sets of 5

>>16065083
Are you the "when are we leaving this planet bros?" Right? Going to the psychologist has worked on you it seems

Two threads is all it took.

>>16064870
Why are the chinks shamelessly copying western designs? Even if they had stolen the blueprints, it would cost nothing to redesign the exterior to at least pretend they are a civilized nation doing real engineering.

>>16065096
no he's a copycat, I haven't checked to see if he posts at a consistent time (if he were a bot) but he's copying the other guy

Will you apply, /spg/?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqQylsc5krg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S42S4C-g1O0

>>16065106
Go ask /spg/ not us

>>16065102
>pretend they are a civilized nation
They don't care about optics.

>>16065102
>NOOO YOU SHOULD NOT COPY US! YOURE GONNA END UP MAKING THEM CHEAPER AND BETTER!

Why do Amerimutts hate free market so much?

>>16065102
In chinese culture, it is a compliment to be copied, since it means that your work is of high quality. Just stealing the design but making it look different would probably be somewhat of an insult, because you are withholding credit to the original. At least thats the explanation I heard.

>>16065122
Chinkshit has never been, is not, and never will be cheaper or better than what they copy.
Whether they copy soviets or first world.

>>16065124
Sounds like BS to me.

>>16065083
Manifest Destiny: life wants to expand. A species that is stuck in one place is more vulnerable to extinction.

>>16065126
Different mindsets. I dont think they had historically things like patents for inventions and copyright. Turns "stealing ideas" into a weird concept.

>>16065126
The nuance is all wrong but that's the gist of it. If another culture is powerful, copying what they do will make you as powerful. It's a weird highly developed cargo cult like thinking.

>>16065083
Read this

>>16065135
Probably also caries the memory of the opium wars. When the bongs at that time offered the chinese all of their fancy new toys of the industrial revolution for trade, the emperor told them that they had everything they could ever need of the highest quality, nothing the british could offer interested him and to keep paying for their tea in silver. Then the british proceeded to balance their terrible trade deficit by selling opium in China and when their .gov tried to shut that down, the royal navy blew up their fleets and harbours with their superior artillery until the chinese signed a very unfavourable peace treaty.
That was a painful wake up call for the chinese to not fall behind on modern technology and they have not forgot that lesson.

>>16065150
Here's for the next century of humiliation

>>16065151
In this century I can only see USA and Europe getting humiliated.

>>16065029
>>16065047
>>16065051
>>16065057
Stop giving these autistic twitter fags attention. They keep making these horrible renders and theories about what is going on in rockets, and have been proven wrong almost every time. Armchair 'engineers' are a waste.

>>16065153
To be humiliated you first need to be capable of shame

>>16065158
This, nobody gives a fuck what your faggot friends have to say about anything. Post news from the sauce or GTFO.

>no launch license

>>16065170
>he doesn't know

>>16064870
ahem so what happened to the American and Russian moves that were filmed on the ISS?

>>16065173
Cruise's shoot will be of him jumping out of a reentering ISS.

>>16065178
fit end for a scientologist

>>16065173
is that new space station spider sex movie good?

>>16065182
>spider sex
As far as I'm aware no space agency ever has conducted animal breeding experiments in space. Not even mosquitos or some insects. I can only speculate there is some conspiracy going on there.

>>16065170
It's saturday.

>>16065186
That makes it worse

>>16065190
Not really.

How many of these fuckers are there?

I need a graphic of every single one of these, all of the graphics going around don’t include them all

This is fucking dangerous. In any other country that user must be arrested

>>16065185
no I mean the new spider space sex movie https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNZ0xKaCdus

twitter trannies are a scourge

>>16065197
lol what a fag

>>16065204
I like twitter boomers

>>16065194
why are all of those different diameters and lengths? what are the chink graphic designers smoking?

>>16065211
unfiltered $1/box Chinese cigs hit different

>>16065194
why is china so much more technologically advanced than usa rockets?

>>16065217
They achieved real communism, which caused them to prosper.

>>16065217
they're quantum rockets

>>16065217
>why is china so much more technologically advanced than usa rockets?
Higher IQ population, high nutrition diet, strong culture

>>16065217
>only a graphic
none of that shit is even real. its just designs.
nut you're just here to troll people with bait so ill ignore you in future.

>>16065220
>high nutrition diet
then why are they so fucking tiny?

>>16065227
What you call tiny I call efficient sized.

>>16065232
Yeah more like efficient to consume

>>16065217
this sounds like the title to a slide thread lol
>>16065218
semi right, its not the communism, its the authoritarian and unquestionable government
that actually tries to advance its own intrests instead of squabbling over politics and increasing the budget of any project to the trillions

im sure i could go on about a rant about globalism but i dont want to derail the thread =)

>>16065102
>it would cost nothing to redesign the exterior
Other than the paint job, wow would they redesign the exterior without it costing something? Ogive nose, fairing width, cylindrical tanks, gridfinds, triangular landing legs, engine count, etc, are all design choices made for technical reasons, not for aesthetics

>>16065211
All those three rockets are supposed to use the same 3.8m tank diameter. The scaling of the middle image is off

>>16065102
So far they havent copied anything but the powerpoints.

>>16065083
>whats the point of wasting billions of dollars to go out when everything we want is already here
1) No, not everything I want is here.
2) Even if it was, there is even more stuff out there.
>but even if we find alien life, it wont be as beautiful and as complex as we got here
Why?
>they wont have such as wonderfull blue sky and soft green grass to set foot on
I find the prospect of a different colored sky and plants that evolved to use a different photosynthetic chemical much more interesting than finding a carbon copy of Earth.
>I think we should stop looking at space
Kill yourself. I understand that you posted this as a form of trolling, but my sentiment doesn't change.

>>16064870
>not even counting the 5 other rockets state owned manufacturers are making
NGMI
2025 is going to be awesome
multiple reusable rockets lifting off EVERY LAUNCHPAD in China

Starship took alot longer to happen than I had hoped. I thought we'd be on mars by now.

>>16065211
All those three rockets are supposed to use the same 3.8m tank diameter. The scaling of the middle rocket is off

The middle rocket has a longer upper stage than the left rocket because Space Pioneer do not intend to cheap out like SpaceX did with Falcon Heavy repurposing an upper stage designed for a different rocket

The rightmost rocket is a suborbital spaceplane that can transport 100 people 14000km e2e, and the booster is sized for that purpose

>>16065268
Falcon Heavy isn't exactly constrained by the propellant capacity of its S2.

>>16065270
Does it not make sense that the vacuum optimized stage better be bigger if what's below it is bigger?

>>16065265
I saved this image back in march 2020. almost 4 years ago.
let's hope in another 4 years starship will atleast be on the moon.

https://twitter.com/mrexits/status/1765943754408566938

>>16065256
Every company behind the rockets in OP's pic has hot fired liquid rocket engines, most of them have done hop tests

>>16065272
No, not necessarily. When the second stage is big, it's usually using a larger portion of its thrust to compensate for gravity losses, and those gravity losses don't matter as much when a large first stage throws the second stage high and far before ignition (see: Ariane 5, Atlas V), letting the upper stage coast along with a low stage and propellant mass to achieve orbital velocity. This isn't good for reuse since it makes the first stage reenter much faster, though, so for a second stage to be bigger on a Falcon Heavy type rocket, it doesn't really make a lot of sense unless they're making it bigger just to launch much bigger payloads to LEO.

>>16065276
poor's cannot comprehend that powerful wealthy people need to move around a lot and cannot take public transport

>>16065233
You're made from dust and you'll return to dust.

>>16064940
>>16064945
>>16064948
>>16065023
how much are you dipshits gonna be seething when it flies and nothing bad happens? just quitely hiding at the back?

>>16065291
Starliner isn't gonna let you fuck her bro

Spaceplane era has begun

>>16065310
>suborbital

>>16065310
You don't need a plane this big to launch something that size

>>16065234
>no representatives from several governmental agencies overseeing road work
Clearly this must be in Romania or Bosnia or something

>>16065083
It is mostly very harsh out there and that's exactly why it is desirable, for the same reason that living in a freezing climate or a place like Arizona is desirable. The fact that you can survive there only with careful preparation and attention to life-support and infrastructure means that the 90% of humanoid trash is filtered out and left behind.

>>16065274
>back when we believed this hunk of kitchen sink was gonna go to space

>>16065328
They build it so they have to use it.

>>16065084
>Chinks will rule the space race.
Sure, by their usual cutting corners and use of shoddy materials in order to make a few pennies more on products that fall apart after a few uses. lmao

>>16065332
You clearly haven't been to Arizona
t. Arizonad

>>16065088
Sounds good. Make Luna an industrial park full of heavy, dirty industry. That also means we will never terraform Luna because the really dirty stuff will be there first.

>>16065328
Just once I'd like to see this plane sheer itself in half and tumble out of the sky on fire.

>>16065332
>freezing climate
>90% of humanoid trash is filtered
Counter-point: Russia.

>>16065217
They aren't. They are parasites who merely copy.

>>16065341
I know that one needs technology to live there.

>>16065358
Hmmm just like a certain other parasite company

>>16065350
>Counter-point: Russia.
Which is a damn site whiter and more civilized than the conurbations of the USA.

>>16065367
it's not about climate, it's about NIGGERS

>>16065284
Not before I consume half of the chink population

>>16065280
LEO/SSO payload mass are the numbers they explicitly advertise on their website for the tricore variant; they don't even mention GTO. They also advertise a much larger fairing than the single core variant (4.2m/12m vs 5.2m/15m). So big payloads to LEO/SSO is probably the market they're mainly aiming at. They also say all three cores can be recovered, implying second stage separation happening at low speed.
http://www.spacepioneer.cc/tianlong/TL3H

that's a big big

>>16065379
Madagascar has already closed their ports

>>16065380
KEK

>>16064870
>not naming it Spacefright Generar
come on now

>>16065364
what does your picture mean?

>>16065379
That's a mistake, Chinese are going to retrieve it.

>>16065218
Real communism has never been tried

Real fully reusable rockets have never been tried

>>16065385
Not if the FTS gets triggered when swarmed by Chinese "fishermen"

>>16065384
ratfuck musk stole nasa patents

>>16064940

>>16064940

>>16065291
>how much are you dipshits gonna be seething when it flies
what year?

>>16065412
>Atlas V spends its whole career potentially man-rated and cheaper than the Shuttle by a mile
>Only now being used for a flight test of a redundant capsule
Better late than never, I guess. Think they'll try one out on a Vulcan?

>>16065102
>why are they using an optimal design instead of reinventing the wheel????
Idk because they're not retarded maybe

>>16065427
Vulcan shook Peregrine to death so probably not

>>16064870
Those are fake rockets right? China wouldn't be so pathetic, surely?

>>16065459
lol

>>16065384
it means that midwits like him can't tell the difference between hover and hoverslam

>>16065421
if it doesnt launch this year ill eat my hat, the atlas V is ready and they've done it before unmanned successfully.

>>16065291
>show up to the game 4 years after your opponent did
>score is 53-0
>put two points on the board
>"We did it, Boeingsisters! They're seething so hard right now!"

>>16065291
Probably none of them, because the project's being mocked for being both incredibly late and needing so much extra time to be un-fucked from what seem like unimaginably dumb mistakes, like the mission clock being set to New Delhi time.

>>16065367
lol
>>16065497
stupid frogposter

Why even get excited for space when governments will just demand that space be egalitarian and inclusive, making it 100% assured that all space colonies will fail, due to diversity and dysgenics?

>>16065514
we can throw rocks at the government

>>16065514
People manage to survive in Antarctica.

>>16065500
Kys cernotroon

>>16065535
Keep seething

>110 hour countdown stream
kek

>>16065497
stupid frogposter

RIP. Bit of a jesus freak, but at least not a complete soiboi like most other channels

>>16065562
These NSF clowns are looking fatter yet increasingly homeless. What a bum

>>16065083
Earth is too gay now. Need to move outwards. This is what drives the expansion of spacefaring civilizations.

>>16065124
I think the question is rather "why do they never think of something first"

>still talking about fuel sloshing
NSF spreading disinformation to appear smart

Starship will lose control rapidly and tumble during reentry, killing the pilots

>>16065291
starliner was supposed to fly 4 years ago bro

>>16065567
Wtf, he died?

>>16065328
And here's the footage

https://www.stratolaunch.com/news/stratolaunch-celebrates-first-powered-flight-of-ta1/

https://vimeo.com/921592118

>>16065594
no, he's shutting down his channel this year to go be more of a jesus freak sadly

>>16065601
SpaceX news regurgitation channels should all be wiped out.

>>16065380
hearty kek

>>16065604
Trvth, LabPadre is all you need for 'news' and livestreams. The rest are garbage like WAI or NSF those fucking shills. Specific ones like Ringwatchers for ship tracking and CSI are alright just because of quality.

>>16065610
kek fuck nsf and fuck los dos

>>16065395
Wait till they have it back in their bug headquarters in Beijing, then blow it.

>>16065610
There is RGV with their flyovers, which I think is a nice place to learn a lot about stuff going on at Starbase.
>>16065598
And a WEBM.

>>16065641
Onboard footage would look much better desu

>>16065367
russia has a smaller percentage of white people than even muttmerica lmao, it's just two muttpires having a shit flinging contest, many of the soldiers being ACKed in the war will be replaced by tuvans and middle-asian turks.

>>16065153
more like second-hand embarrassment watching china throw the gold egg they gave them down the gutter. xi is destroying everything that deng worked so hard to achieve, all that soft economic power and economic growth is now being sacrificed at the altar of wolf-warrior politics.

>>16065656
2 weeks?

>>16065404
>retarded little hopper that can barely go up a lil and then slowly come down to land without accounting for lateral movement
>orbital class booster capable of sending a large 2nd stage on its way, surviving re-entry, capable of supersonic retropropulsion and landing on a tiny droneship hundreds of km away while accounting for wind at different atmospheric levels

the EDS is strong with this one.

>>16065668
Don't forget "stole NASA patents" when NASA's intellectual property, as a government agency, belongs to the American Public and is meant to be used by Americans.

>>16065641
Very sexy aircraft desu. Curvy like a woman

>>16065659
?????
when did i say china was collapsing, retard?
all i'm saying it's sad watching them throw it down the drain, they're in for another century of unimportance if this and their demographic decline keep up.
they picked the worst time to do it as well, since they don't have a strong domestic middle class and service sector, yet they're starting to become too expensive compared to other options for foreign companies to put their final assemblies there. they're losing their one big moneymaker before they had the chance to replace it because xi had an ego and wanted to play with the big boys.

>>16065518
those aren't colonies

>>16065705
We would be lucky to see any colony on Moon or Mars in this centry. First bases will be similar to Antarctica.

>>16065551
autism.jpg

>>16065083
>broooo just put all your eggs in one basket whats the worst that could happen

Let's go
https://www.fly.faa.gov/adv/adv_spt.jsp

>>16065778
source: instagram.com/faa_gov

>>16065778
LICENSE ACQUIRED WHERE ARE THE FAAGS NOW?

>>16065783
>source: instagram
Did you not see the link to the FAA website?

Who the fuck uses instagram other than normies and creeps

>>16065785
An operations plan advisory is not a license.

>>16065792
Aside from /gif/, which is fucking trash, it's a decent replacement for liveleak.

>>16065785
Yes, we gaan

>nsf's friday jewess has her own wikipedia page, probably made by herself
lol

>>16065849
i saw her face once and never again. that schnozz is fucking massive

When did former nazis stop providing help to the USA toward space endeavors?

>>16065865
never? also you need to kys

>>16065865
They all got old and died

>>16065865
>>16065871
They passed their heil-by date.

>>16065865
Cute girl you posted :3

>>16065876
Doh ho ho ho ho

>>16065881
Kys tranny ywnbaw

>>16065893
akari a cute CUTE

>>16065909
this general is clearGODS turf, fuck off only they get to post anime

>>16065601
He gave schizo vibes desu.

>>16065954
Dont jews have high rates of schizophrenia? Maybe hes a jew

>>16065963
dudes a giga christian. how can he then be a jew?

>>16065973
christianity is just an offshoot of judaism. therefore all christians are jews. this guy also has a jewish nose.

>>16065973
Schizophrenia is genetic.

>>16065865
After Apollo, before Challenger.

>>16064870
haven't been on sfg or followed anything related to spaceflight since mid december, anything major happen since then?

>>16066014
IFT-3 thursday. Anything else 'important' failed.

>>16066014
Ingenuity broke and won't fly anymore, three different lunar lander missions went varying degrees of sideways (some more literally than others) and Vulcan made its first flight.

>>16066014
>"I haven't been on sfg for a while, has anything happened?" said the person who's on /sfg/ constantly and asks the same question at least twice a week.

>>16066018
vulcan actually flying is pretty surprising, good for them i guess, not surprised the landers failed
>>16066017
yeah i did see that, i didnt want to return here until we were close to the launch

>>16066024
i have dementia, problem with that, bitch?

/sfg/ is one person

>>16066035

>>16066036
Take your redditnigger meme and gtfo

>>16063961
Zubrin bros...what are the implications of this?

>>16066061
Canadians are fucked, Trekkie comes in gradients, and Zubrin's there to promote his book, not Star Trek.

>>16065497
based frorposter

>>16065610
NSF are pretty gay but good info too and I would say better cameras than LabPadre
RGV is great too

>>16065379
When Bezos sends his underwater expedition to recover some Raptors, he's gonna end up finding that Malaysian plane

>>16066024
Yeah it's pretty annoying by now

>>16066061
he's about to molest these young ladies

>>16066061
This man looks more handsome every day. Elixir of life????

>>16066088
stupid frogposter

>>16065497
As is American tradition

>>16066088
Based Frogposter :)

>>16066061
That's not a tribble costume, it's just how fat and hairy women in San Francisco are.

>>16066132
"women"

>>16066132
Haha I love sexist comments on 4chan! Haha

>>16066135
YWNBAW

>>16066137
>/pol/ gibberish
You have to go back

>>16066138

>>16066151

>>16066157

>>16065514
colonies are far and hard to control. When they grow big enough they will start getting funny thoughts. Like why do we need capital on earth millions of kilometers away to micromanage us?

>>16065083
space exploration is a requirement for capitalism to continue

>>16065394
seriously what was NASA smoking when they designed this?

>>16066214
Big fat checks from the Air Force who wanted single pass orbital retrieval capabilities including for polar/SSO launches from Vandy, which dictated the rest of the design.

https://youtu.be/3Ux6B3bvO0w?t=1241
>IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S JUST BEGGING TO HAVE LIKE TWO BIG GOOGLY EYES WITH A FUNNY LOOKIN GRIN THERE OR SOMETHING
oh my god

>>16066204
the returns are far too small on the short and mid term for capitalisms required growth of ~4% per annum. From a capitalism perspective youre better off investing all that money in the stock market.

>>16066235
Politics have a cognitive window of 4 years, capitalism (normally) has 3 months as you said. All our systems are basically filtering out long term issues, except for a select few that have no good solutions and plenty of wiggle room to bullshit and scam people.

>>16066235
it is a way to futureproof capitalism, once space industries take off, capitalism growth will become exponential

>>16066091
Nah it'll turn out that starship will land on some indian fishing boat and get Elon cancelled for killing people. With SpaceX out of the picture spacefilght will be put back generations dooming civilization to be wiped out by an asteroid strike in 2040. But the pilots and passengers of MH370 saw all this in a vision and travelled through time to collide into starship sacrificing themselves to save the timeline.

>>16066236
>>16066249
in terms of profit seeking, the current meta is reduce the number of humans rather than increase the resource base to support humans. Anyone who's not ideologically commited to expansoin into space jsut views it as the easiest method to reach the desired result. It's why Musk is in the minority and constantly rages about extinctionists.

>>16064870
Do any of these chink knockoffs actually work outside of a shitty CGI presentation?

>>16065083
>stay on earth
>earth gets hit by rock
>everybody dead
No thanks.

>>16065153
Shut up chang and go back to the factories while your local party offical fucks your wife.

>>16066226
This man is going to the Moon

Are you ready for the stunning images Dragonfly will send back to Earth?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhpCzXlY4fg
>Final Preparations Before Launch | SpaceX Boca Chica

>>16066267
>meanwhile one of the functions of SLS is literally to deflect an asteroid the size of Apophis.
Oldspace wins again.

Guys, can we brainstorm as to what makes the RD-180 a technological marvel over Raptor?
Apparently some people have correctly guessed the design flaw.

>>16066352
The design flaw is that they are only on Elon's rockets.

>>16065217
你们外国人所谓的发明都是学我国百万年的文化和高级技术的发展而做的。

>>16065291
I volunteer you as "passenger"
Rest in piss, bozo

>>16065778
>OFT-3
IFTsisters.....

>>16065124
I'm not saying the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis is correct but the ordinary Mandarin word for "imitate, mimic, copy" is the same as the word for "learn, study".

>>16066377
Whether the hypothesis is correct doesn't even matter.
Do chinks copy everything because their language is like that or is their language like that because they copy everything? Chicken or egg situation.

>>16066312
You can't see shit on Titan.

>>16066319
It's taking off at midnight europoor time right?

>muh chinese
>muh copying
nobody cares. intellectual property as a whole is a deeply flawed concept that should be disregarded.
if you got a secret just don't tell anybody. all IP laws have done nothing but harm

>>16066352
>2020
I'm sure the raptor issue is fixed by now.
As is the issue of anyone relying on r*ssian engines.

>>16066157
>>16066162
stupid frogposters

>>16066388
I agree with you, but at the very least it's unfair and reduces incentives for innovation when only the innovators have to respect intellectual property rights.

It's like saying that boxing is weird and unnatural because in a real fight there are no rules, and on that basis suggesting that only one fighter should be allowed to kick, hit below the belt, rabbit punch, bite, grapple and eye gouge. No one would fight on those terms.

>>16066392

>>16065023
What does warrior culture/death have to do with movie stars? Am I truly this ESL??

>>16066396
People don't mind killing eachother, so punching and kicking eachother without rules wouldn't be such a big deal.

>>16066388
Maybe you meant patent laws, not IP laws.

While IP laws have their undesirable side effects, they're mostly in entertainment sector. Nothing serious.
A single look at life in countries that DON'T obey IP laws is a great argument for IP laws.

>>16066410
all of it

>>16066371
OFT stands for Official Flight Test ;)

>>16066352
>larpers spreading FUD

In my heart I know, Raptor is reliable

>>16066411
>limited period of time
if only that applied to IP more generally

>>16066411
Hmm. Okay, I don't think you're trolling. You're just a naive idealistic kid. Enjoy your delusions.

>>16066135
it was a pretty decent joke. if you dont find it funny just move on you permanently offended faggot

>>16066387
I thought it was just before lunchtime in bongland.

>>16066387
I thought it was going to be daytime in europe, but now when I try to find the exact time I can't see it anywhere

https://www.spacex.com/launches/mission/?missionId=starship-flight-3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhJRzQsLZGg

getting stacked again
93h to launch

Here's the official livestream btw
https://twitter.com/i/broadcasts/1LyxBnOvzvOxN?s=20

>>16066437
Just look at this secret tweet, it has the time the livestream starts in your local time
https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1765037578343121372

>>16066440
where's the krystal?

That sound, yikes...
https://x.com/INiallAnderson/status/1766838219721654275?s=20

>>16066443
thats its mating call

>>16066438
93h? That's enough time for at least 6 more stacks

>>16066398
B*sed, trannies gtfo this is frog and clear territory.

THEY'RE RUNNING OUT OF TIME!!!

>>16066135
wow fucking kill yourself

>>16065610
>CSI
Why do retards keep shilling this nigger?

>>16066389
>r*ssian
You need to go back

>>16066596
Nope. I simply have limits on vulgarity.
I'm willing to call you retarded faggots niggers and other slurs, but r*ssian is too obscene to even write out.

>>16066592
Becasue we're not racist and respect other people.

>>16065380
>LMAO

>>16066473

Did they miss align again?

>>16066428
>rent seeker seething
lmao

>>16066388
Insectile claws typed this post. IP law is a big policy stick to hit the Europeans and Chinese with.

Journalism is dead. I can find nothing about the supposed lawsuit regarding the tiny plot of land next to the star factory.

What standing would SpaceX have to force a sale? Or even demand a specific price?

>>16066655
Check em'

>>16066663
I am too wise to take part in a game of dubs.

trial is in June.

https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=49090.msg2565221#msg2565221

>>16066592

Because he's good? Although his dissertations can be a bit over whelming at times.

>>16066655
https://trellis.law/case/48061/2021-dcl-03184/space-exploration-technologies-corp-vs-novus-prime-properties-llc-francisco-chavez

I don't know where they pull that info from since cameron country district court pages are some giga boomer shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgRSADC6dpA

Randomly flipping through this meeting, Kathy Lueders speaks at 2:40:27

The rest seem to just be a parade of the nastiest e*rthers imaginable (pic related)

>>16066710
Jesus Christ. these are the "people" holding us back.

>>16066385
debunked

>>16066642
why would you hit Euros with intellectual property

>>16066710
How many are there because they hate Elon Musk?

ore than half of the participants in the Yankelovich focus groups questioned the price of our burger. "Why," they asked, "should we pay the same amount for a third of a pound of meat as we do for a quarter-pound of meat at McDonald's? You're overcharging us." Honestly. People thought a third of a pound was less than a quarter of a pound. After all, three is less than four!

>>16066737
because they're uppity little shits that have been underfunding defense for decades and dumping their exports on us while refusing to allow our exports in return

Reading the cost of Energia-Buran is incredible
The soviet spent MORE on their shuttle (~16-17 Billion ruble) than on their lunar program (2.5-6 Billion ruble, with artificially limited inflation over 15 years).
The average annual budget of Energia Buran was LARGELY enough to cover a continued N1-based lunar program at its peak funding. Or ditch the lunar program and easily more than double the LEO crewed spaceflight program's budget.

>>16066710
was this broadcasted live? /sfg/ shoulda watched together

>>16066407
re-read that
it's that it's one-sided that's the issue, like the enforcement of intellectual property laws

>>16066710
>americans STILL wearing masks

>>16066601
racists respect other people, too
they just have a different definition of people
don't be so intolerant

>>16066783
When the USSR insisted on copying the Space Shuttle's capabilities they also ended up also copying how economically cursed the STS program was. If you told me this was an intentional plan to destroy the Soviet space program by pulling resources off more viable programs, there's a good chance I'd believe you.

>>16066677
Lmao

>>16066352
>posting spacegay

Soooo anyone here collect rocket models?

>>16066677
he's a retarded ape, anyone mentioning him might as well put a dunce cap on

>>16066822
Prove it

>>16066821
pic related, its me

1/2 more weeks

>>16066841
any time he's gone "OOH NOO IT"S FUCKING JOEVER <insert very minor setback> THEY ARE NOT LAUCHING IN 200 MONTHS!!"

>>16066821
I got back into scale models. Currently I'm doing MiG-29, but some rocket is going to be next, I'm thinking about Baseduz or Shuttle.

>>16066861
Can I ask form which brands are you buying?

>>16066844
Was von Braun autistic?

https://twitter.com/lexfridman/status/1766908566189859159
4 min about spacex, talking about kwalejein after the second launch blew up and Kimbal made some baked beans

>>16066867
So far only Zvezda and Tamiya. I don't have much experience and can't tell you a lot about them. I'll just say that their quality seemed okay and didn't cause any issues.

>>16066388
bug hands typed this. If you cant gain protection for your knowledge from a lawful system then there is zero motivation of exposing them or even funding the R&D in the first place

This is the reason CHYNA is such a laughing stock and nothingburger. Hope you get eaten in the next great leap backwards under god-emperor Xi

>>16066916
Love how much seethe this take evokes every time I post it.
The most innovative car company in the world doesn't do patents, has basically everybody copy their ideas yet doesn't hound after them for it.
China is a shithole because they're not a free market liberal democracy.

>>16066710
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgRSADC6dpA
At 59:03 there is a schizo boomer claiming to be a NASA engineer.
He says that he 'plugged the data into an AI' and it said that a RUD and overpressure event will kill everyone within five miles of the launch site.

>>16066931
this clip from Parks and Rec tv show is extremely realistic. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=areUGfOHkMA

>>16066931
LMAO and he's immediately followed by some dumb white bitch who starts her speech with "I would like to start with acknowledging that we are meeting on the indigenous homelands of x, y, and z group of native losers."

>>16066925
Which company might that be?
Tesla, as an unrelated example, has 3304 patents in 28 countries.

>>16066958
Seethe harder rent seekoid
https://www.tesla.com/blog/all-our-patent-are-belong-you
https://www.tesla.com/legal/additional-resources#patent-pledge

>>16066965
I'm sorry, I thought you said
>doesn't do patents
Oh wait, you did.

>>16066970
They have to due to this >>16066396
The knockoff clause could be deleted with no negative consequences.

Let's throw more fuel to the fire.

Ford 91
LG Electronics 77
Samsung 69
Gm Global Technology 63
SunPower 61
Robert Bosch 50
Toyota 50
Hyundai Motor 42
Panasonic 39
IBM 37
Kia Motors 27
Atieva Inc 23
Audi 21
Volkswagen Group 15
Honda Motor Company 15

Guess what these numbers represent. Spoilers, they are rejected patent applications citing Tesla patents that are "totes free for everyone to use :)"

Tesla is actively hindering other car manufacturers' move to EVs with their strategic R&D and patent portfolio.
Stop living in a fairy tale and believing marketing bullshit.

>>16066710
Why hell are the comments turned off?

>>16066979
Tesla has patents, they are free to use. You can't patent something that has already been patented, sorry. Patent rejected

/o/ get out reeeee

>>16066869
Is there Krystal?

>>16067002
it is useless to us

>>16066992
piss off, bus rider

>>16066979
>Let's throw more fuel to the fire.
Faggot-speak

Did anyone else get a boarding pass?

You WILL NOT get onboard views during OFT-3

>>16067015
I HATE YOU

>>16066979
>Tesla applies for patents defensively and offers them for anyone to use
>other automakers try to apply for patents to hoard them and get cockblocked by Tesla
Unfathomably based. Cope and sneed, pro-"intellectual property"cels.

>>16066352
Raptor's deletion of the heat exchanger was not in the book of knowledge so oldspace can't wrap their head around it and insist Raptors are broken.

>>16067031
>>16066985
I don't think anyone is stupid enough to fall into Tesla's trap, but the whole thing is good marketing. Retarded normalfags also swallow it whole, it's not just you guys.

>>16065610
Tracking is pointless. I just wait for space journalism to pick up on Starship stories, because 80% of the youtube stuff is baseless speculation that's proven wrong the next week.

>>16066797
Man I kinda wish we'd normalize wearing masks when ill like they do in asia, it might stop retards giving me their colds when I go out.

>>16066061
I want to trick Zubrin into signing my Krystal pillow. Maybe pretend it's something else and fold it in a way so he signs an innocuous blank white part

>>16066821
I got this fancy soyuz model ages ago, but I never got around to finishing it.

>>16067067
kys. now.

>>16067064
>normalize masks
Don't think that's ever gonna happen in america lol
No other nation threw such an absolute toddler tantrum over masks than they did

>>16067072

>>16067067
based

>>16066872
No, but he had a very big dick. So big he had part of the roof removed to fit the to scale Saturn V.

>>16067067
KYS but also please do it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZ6L3uRSnhY
Starlink happening in an hour

>>16066872
It's likely

You don't design and build rockets right next to a labor camp in the middle of World War II while working for the Nazis and then claim (if he was being honest) that you were just interested in the work without being at least a little autistic. It does make me wonder a bit about how he found religion later

>>16067064
Normalize throwing rocks at people wearing masks

>>16067192
Why?

>>16067194

Youtube links pls

>>16067217
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTnQfKkbTng

Not live yet

>>16067220
Thank you my anon.

>>16067217
Links to what?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQc8vyy3ryU

>>16067217
youtube.com

>>16067217
its just a boring starlink launch
you've seen it a million times already

>>16067141
T-10:00

Looks like Thursday is shaping up to be cloudy and windy

>>16067233
It's not working.
All I'm getting are cats a people playing video game.
I think I'm going to return my computer.

Clear Live!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTnQfKkbTng

Clear uses Windows

IT'S OVER

Max-Qute!

Max Qute

pretty clouds and lighting today

Oh that was cool, the fairings went sailing through the first stage's camera view

>Clear surprised they aren't going to show payload deploy

Regular practice now or are starshield sats on this one?

Somehow he keeps getting away with it.

That was just another boring launch

Post anime rocket grills.

Those vtubers look unironically soulless. Why are people watching that shit?

I shit my pants AGAINNNNN UUGGGGHHHHH

>>16067275
man children, zoomers, autism etc. I don't really know myself desu

Curious what the actual percentage is.
https://strawpoll.com/GeZAOdr8VnV

>>16066821
Yes. I have 1/400 models of STS Endeavor, Atlas V, Soyuz TMA, H-IIA, and Ariane 5 (Dragon Models). Also an old Falcon 9 with Dragon Estes model rocket.

>>16067275
Modern society is increasingly devoid of real personal interactions, so parasocial relationships are becoming a common way to try and fill that deficiency. It's why you can make money flashing your tits on onlyfans despite pornography being the most over-saturated market in human history.

>>16067284
simping has become an epidemic

Is Starship actually gonna launch the 14th or are we gonna get scrubbed?

>>16067276
based

>>16067291
It will scrub to the next day because it would be more convenient for me (this has happened to me with Starship test launches multiple times and at this point I'm accepting the schizo thoughts)

>>16067296
I wish they would launch earlier in the week
I work weekends

>>16065291
>and nothing bad happens
the bad (it launching 4 years late) has already happened. everything else is just a bonus

is vandy still charging spacex like 10 mil for a 1st stage landing?

>>16067384
Even for an expendable rocket their launch fees are like $5M so probably.

>>16067015
Why? I got so fucking angry last time we had to go to Xitter and they didn't show anything anyway. It wasn't a problem on IFT1, do they need to beg the FCC for permission or something?

>>16066663
>>16066667

>>16066666

Elon Musk is going to prison for illegally defaming an asylum seeker. Bye bye

>>16067421
freedom of speech? you dont go to prison for saying your opinion anymore sweety.

>>16066979
>patents are free to use
>not free to claim for yourself
i mean this obviously checks out. it would defeat the entire purpose of having them open to the public if Tesla let Ford copy their discoveries and then lock those off for everyone else with patents of their own.

https://twitter.com/Cosmic_Penguin/status/1767008043860885562
>I've a lot of "Press X to doubt" comments for new Chinese private LSPs, and this shows why. I just got this rumor that LinkSpace, probably the earliest of them (formed 2014) w/ a 300 m high "hop" w/ their demonstrator way back in 2019, has ceased to exist

Let the die-offs begin

>>16067446
Nice logo, retards

>>16066858
He did that like once or twice maybe, you clearly have nothing on his actual content

>>16067446
>rocket in a box
>they fell for the meme
Was Astra a giant glownigger shitpost to headfake the Chinese into dead end small launch tech?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TF0Ct0TOnGY
Time for another starlink launch
T-18:00

>pRoPeLlAnT LoAd is uNdeRwAy

its gonna scrub

ScrubX

>>16067541
I don't think we can blame Astra for this one. They seemed to want to build a rocket that could launch 200kg to sun-synchronous, but instead of using parachute recovery like Electron it'd land like a Falcon 9 and try to reuse the second stage. I think they might have just not been very smart.

>>16066710
these people are unwell

>>16067541
Glowies still like the rocket in a box I think. ABL is also attempting it more or less.

ScrubX stream is up

(it's gonna scrub anyways)

>>16067558
ABL is also trying from Kodiak so yeah I think they're going for the responsive launch contract if it exists.

>>16067446
what happened to the chink company that faked a landing video of their hopper by just reversing the footage of it taking off?

Staging

>>16067566
>>16067566
>>16067566
>>16067566
>>16067566

>scrubX is about to waste another million pounds of propellant
lmao i hope they go bankrupt from continual scrubs and failures

see I knew it would scrub

>>16066821