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16057530 No.16057530 [Reply] [Original]

"I think human consciousness is a tragic misstep in human evolution. We became too self aware; nature created an aspect of nature separate from itself. We are creatures that should not exist by natural law. We are things that labor under the illusion of having a self, a secretion of sensory experience and feeling, programmed with total assurance that we are each somebody, when in fact everybody’s nobody. I think the honorable thing for our species to do is deny our programming, stop reproducing, walk hand in hand into extinction, one last midnight, brothers and sisters opting out of a raw deal."

>> No.16057538
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>>16057530
>We are all just...atoms
"No!"

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16057649

boy, wait till you find out what atoms are....

>> No.16057731

>>16057530
>We are all just...atoms
Close
Atoms are a clue
Ever wonder why they have an "electron cloud?"

>> No.16057752

>>16057538
got a paper proving that?

>> No.16057910

>>16057530
>programmed with total assurance that we are each somebody
I feel like a nobody all the time

>> No.16057933

>>16057530
>human evolution
>he doesn't think the non-human animals are conscious.
no way other primates at least aren't. were practically identical

>> No.16058134

>>16057933
ants are conscious, easily
the first non-conscious is microscopic

>> No.16058146

>>16057933
I choose to beleive animals are mot conscious because of the suffering it would imply.

>> No.16058636

>>16057933
Not even most humans are conscious, so why would you expect animals to be?

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>>16057530
The honorable duty of our species is to be the bridge to the ubermensch and ascend to godhood

>> No.16058751

>>16057530
>being materialist post-QM
Kek

>> No.16058777

>>16057530
>separate from itself
in what way?

>> No.16058857

>>16058777
We are a REFLECTION of nature. We ARE separate from it. I wish people weren't so ignorant.

>> No.16058880

>>16057530
Based composition fallacy philosopher. Fallacies are just atoms too!

>> No.16058894

>>16058708
gay.

>> No.16058899

>>16058708
wrong
the only real choice we could ever make is to erase the universe as it currently exists

>> No.16059071

>>16057649
They don't exist. They're abstractions

>> No.16059159

>>16059071
this is the correct answer. plato's cave is real. the brain is stuck in a dark room and performs reverse inference to model the reality of senses. it's all super fake and gay illusion created by the brain to keep itself alive

>> No.16059164

>>16059159
>it's all super fake and gay illusion created by the brain to keep itself alive
then how is it corroborated so well by other brains

>> No.16059188

>>16059164
You're asking how a phenomenon that invalidates our empiricism is... empirically confirmed? The poster is cringe and wrong but at least attack his position in a way that hurts it

>> No.16059194

>>16058899
welp.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ys4PeF_nGw

>> No.16059197

>>16057530
Who are you
>quoting
?
Anyway, I don't agree with any of that. None of it can be justified, rationally or empirically. There are atoms, so what? Of course everything is made of something. So we looked and saw a little of what we're made of. We understand it mathematically to a limited extent. What does that tell us about the nature of consciousness or our being? Nothing.

>> No.16059200

>>16059197
>Who are you
>>quoting
>?
Rust from True Detective Season 1. The character is just bummed out and not everything he says is meant to be gospel

>> No.16059276

>>16059164
what is your question? if i gave you two identical machines then their function in similar environments would be similar. explanations of reality are compelling because the structure of the brain makes it possible across individuals enforces constraints on what can be inferred from the senses. fish have a different structure and so you don't worry about what is compelling reverse inference of reality for the fish

>> No.16059849

>>16059197
How do we find the nature of consciousness? Is it possible to learn more about our purpose or are we just too dumb to understand?

>> No.16059940

>>16058857
>We ARE separate from it
How?