/sci/ - Science & Math

apologize

>>16053624
No

>>16052644
Moment of inertia is the perfect phrase for the concept at hand

>>16053624
I won't because I never doubted them

There is literally no reason to go to Mars besides autism.

This NASA commentator is surprisingly fine to listen to.
Doesn't make me want to shoot my head off hearing her.

I played around with Inspect Element and recovered some images of the guy watching GOES-T launch on an Atlas V with an F-86 Sabre.

1/3

>>16053653
Good thing we all have autism then.

>>16053678
forgot spoonfeeding you niggers
https://youtube.com/watch?v=VgQKipH2g9I

2/3

>>16053653
That's the plan. non-tardies can stay and die on urf.
captcha:SWAT8

3/3

>>16053624
Who gives a shit? It still fell over.

>>16053679
Nice

Deniz looking tired but pretty

how do you keep number 2 from falling apart
like this does not seem physically possible

>>16053694
offgassing tape

>>16053696
silence

>>16053694
graphite bars running through the engine or something idk

>>16053694
Metal or graphite rods going through the core

>>16053694
It's held together by the pressure exerted on the rindler information horizon

>>16053701
>graphite rods going through the core
not again...

>>16053703
kek wrong memedrive

six is the best

>>16053704
it's the only memedrive

>>16053706
Don't make me bring out the 4ASS propulsion division blueprints.

>>16053694
The base of the aerospike sits below supporting it.

Why does NASA keep switching to the camera view that fucks up the audio?
Is an incompetent person running the stream?

>>16053707
those are meme engines, not meme drives, they all obey action/reaction

>>16053624
This is more impressive than Falcon 1

Crew 8 launch scrubbed tonight due to high altitude winds. Next launch opportunity is tomorrow at 10:53 EST

>>16053718
Scrubtober strikes again...

>>16053733
Not that surprising this time. The weather was only at 40% go earlier today

>>16053718
we need all weather rockets. you don't see airline flights getting canceled over a little wind or some cloud cover

>>16053741
More of Soyuz's weather ambivalence would be nice, but the issue this time was bad weather in part of the abort-recovery zones. I'm not sure what anyone would or could do to make it easier to fish Dragon out of rough seas.

>>16053746
>I'm not sure what anyone would or could do to make it easier to fish Dragon out of rough seas.
Make it 9m across so if they voont all the propellant it'll float.

Wait.

>
Bruh

>>16053768
Total Indian Death

>>16053694
struts

did anyone know that nasa has its own u-2 that still flies? i didn't.

>>16053768

>>16053778
Wait until you find out about the F-16XL and F-15 ACTIVE.

>>16053768
I wonder how much this Sir is seething that a small US company did better on their first moon landing mission than his entire country.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhPDt3n-5tA

Can someone ask NASA why they cut the footage of hot-staging maneuver in the FOIA-released IFT-2 launch tracking videos?

What are they hiding?

They just throw these second stages away like they're trash.

>>16053801
NASA already said, the hot staging involves proprietary information on how it is done that isn't NASA's to share

>>16053807
Starship will fix that.

>>16053768
I hate Russoids and their dick riders so much
>>16053807
that is the current paradigm
change it, if you can

Nobody ever gave me a real answer on why Mars's orbit is so wonky

>>16053813
Jupiter, probably. That fat fuck pulls the barycenter out of the entire solar system out of the fusion core of the sun.

>>16053813
Nobody actually knows why Mars has a relatively high eccentricity.

>>16053807
Disposable second stages keep the Falcon production line open. If you used a reusable second stage you'd have to do one big production run and close down the line hoping you've got enough to last for the whole career of the rocket, or you keep feeding money into an all but dead factory like the Delta IV did. Without disposable second stages you couldn't have Falcon Heavies that expend some of their cores.

>>16053778
casual

>>16053814
Kek someone tell tubby to go on a diet

>>16053823
Bratty chubster needs He-3 and Hmetal extraction correction.

How long until ROSCOSMOS croaks forever?

>middle of the month

Ughh

WDR tomorrow though

i was born too early

>>16053842
best indicator that it is no longer two weeks is a notmar going out, for ift-2 it was only 5 days after that the launch happened.

>>16053861
war isnt something to hope for, its innevitable though

https://twitter.com/Andercot/status/1763724770284310710
>Mars is the next America.

>>16053861
>full stacked SLS is put in comparison with everything else as if thats what is going to be put in orbit
>Relativity Space is given credit for a gunship but SpaceseX gets nothing but but starship without the first stage

Fucking retarded.
Space warships are going to come out the same way that modern carriers/subs are, but in orbit:
>Shipyards do 75% of the manufacturing based on conventional knowledge
>The last 25% is cutting edge gubberment technology that appears at the dockyard to be installed

Either way, 100% of it will be delivered to orbit by LEO trucks like superheavy.

>>16053912
God I hope. It would also be the first corporate owned state.

>>16053886
Cool warships however is something to hope for.

elon has the worst facial hair i've sen wtf

>>16053938
Its old man facial hair what do you expect

scam spacex streams on yt are back

>>16053938
They harvested most of it to repopulate his head

>>16053912
All those
>Antarctica
replies
Normies are a disease.

>>16053959
They would be right for the first few decades. Once self reliancy is the norm though theres an actual shot of becoming a power house. Best planet for access to the outer solar system.

>>16053938
I feel like he's getting more handsome

>>16053972
That makes you a faggot

>>16053831
pockocmoc croaks when poccna croaks.
Not soon enough.

>>16053949
No, this is old man facial hair.

>>16053938
It's genetic.

LMAO
Did another all female spacewalk lose a tool bag?
Jasmin Moghbeli Loral O'Hara.
Jasmin is told to search around for her bag a bit and she doesn't find it so they just continue.

>>16054022
Didn't know northern Japan is that based. Always imagined them to be more like the asian mainlanders.

>>16054028
the absolute state

>>16054028
>>16054034
KEEEK
i didn't know.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/13/science/space/nasa-lost-tool-bag-spacewalk.html

>>16054032
Thats Hokkaido they are more similar to the native siberians than they are to the japanese. Those are all Ainu people or their descendents.

>>16054037
I've been to Hokkaido.
Hair grooming standards can be misleading.

>>16054028
Seems like overall physical exhaustion is a likely contributing factor. If they sometimes lose fingernails I assume it takes a a lot of effort to manipulate things with the gloves, and if you got much less strength to begin with what is to be expected.

>>16054052
kind of seems like an argument to either stop using women for these spacewalks or have some kind of grip strength/upper strenght test for those that will
but the latter seems kind of unrealistic, its just biology
or I guess you could start developing tech (which should be done anyway) so you don't need as much strenght and endurance to do these spacewalks

What does /sfg/ think of that new book "Mars is a Hellscape and We Will Stop You from Going There" by the Weinerstein sisters?

>>16054057
Haven't read it.

>>16054057
Day of the airlock will handle them

>>16054057
I think Wernher's first employer had the right idea.

>>16054057
thinly veiled way to push the authors political beliefs

>>16054067
Goes without saying for anyone whose career is "webcomics"

>>16054052
It didn't slip out of her hand. She just pushed it away thinking it was tethered I guess or not thinking at all.
>>16054053
That technology is called mechanical counterpressure suits and we would have it already if it weren't for the impoverishment of aerospace in general caused by the cold war ending and its many ugly manifestations such as the "space" shittle, not returning to the moon for 60 years, and scamming MIT jews wasting 15 years on a toy MCP project that ends up going absolutely nowhere

Post a cool space webm. I will respond with another.

>>16054071
>She just pushed it away thinking it was tethered I guess or not thinking at all.
I'd understand if Bob the underpaid warehouse worker was this thoughless and forgot his screwdriver somewhere.
But these are some of the most highly trained exceptional individuals in the world.

Thoughts on Saudi Arabia's new megaprojects?

>>16054080
These are women and thus almost certainly diversity hires for anything involving 3D object manipulation.

>>16054095
>3D object manipulation
do I need to be good at this to program industrial robot arms?

>>16054097
No, your required physical abilities are limited to moving your fingers across a keyboard in a fast and precise manner.

>>16053778
>Bicycle landing gear
I hate mass autism

>>16054114
>I hate mass autism
t. anon when people call him fat

>>16053778
Its own police car also apparently

>>16053814
bet you're one of those people that thinks the Parker solar probe touched the sun.

>>16053694
It doesn't actually go through the entire length of the booster.

>>16054120
isn't that a type 3 rather than a type 2

>>16054079

Familiarize yourself with the current whereabouts of the Perseverance rover and Ingenuity helicopter

https://mars.nasa.gov/mars2020/mission/where-is-the-rover/

F

>>16054123
See attached diagram

>>16054094
not spaceflight you trogledite. the line would/will look pretty cool from space though.

What's gonna be the first telescope to actually deliver good exoplanet data? The 40 meter ELT telescope maybe? I would also like to mention the PLATO mission which will find hundreds of Earth-sized exoplanets, instead of those small short period exoplanets we have now.

>>16054125

Instead of cringe mechanical venus rover I propose a rover with a nuclear power source that powers a heat pump to keep electronics cool.

>>16053733
It's Scrurch, you idiot.

what is the final solution for trannies on mars?

So I was watching this old NASA soldering film from 1958. The people in it talk about space vehicles and orbital probes, but wasn't NASA still figuring out how to get into orbit? And wasn't spaceflight limited to ICBMs anyway?

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RXugDd0xik

>>16054148
you'd have to pass a mental and physical test to be on the colony ship.

>>16054144
Pioneer 1 and 2 both go up in 1958, the newly formed NASA was trying to put space probes into orbit around the moon at this point

>>16054149
A single google search would have given you the information you wanted.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1958_in_spaceflight

>>16054094
If they actually go through with them and it's not just a money laundering scheme (it is), I guess we can kiss house of Saud Mars money goodbye

>>16054165
The US only launched 4 succesful orbital rockets. Doesn't seem like that much of a budding field to me.

>>16054169
5, and only 1 of those was an ICBM.

>>16054169
That's because you're hopelessly retarded and can't fathom the context surrounding the events.

>>16054057

>>16054057
Just another loser trying to jump on the popsci book wagon started by Ryan North.

>still no rotating station

>>16054168
lol what money laundering scheme. This is investment by the government in the future of Saudi Arabia. Plus they already started digging the line

>>16054190
There's a good chance SpaceX will start experimenting with payloads on Starship this year, we just need to hope that one of those payloads will be an experimental human-sized centrifuge.

>>16053768
They were leaders only for like a few years in the 60s.

>>16053820
>>16053778
>make SR-71 to retire U-2
>SR-71 is retired first
>U-2 still flying
cursed timeline

>>16054032
Japanese are white.

>>16054057
Stop posting that jewish propaganda

>>16054175
>google title
>book written my Martin Luther
wew lad.

>>16053793
>his entire country
IM is a government contractor, and government contracts are the main rationale and enabler for their lander project. Hiring privately owned companies is just the American way of space, since forever, with few exceptions like JPL.

IM has over 250 employees. How much staff did ISRO have on their lander project? How many man-hours in total were spent? Chandrayaan-2 supposedly cost about $91 million, which, considering Indian skilled worker salaries are generally lower than American, suggests that they spent more man-hours than IM, but not vastly much more.

Also, it is necessary to consider the question of how many off-the-shelf solutions are available for an American organization that aren't available for ISRO (e.g. due to ITAR)? How great is the pool of experience that is available to an American company compared to ISRO?

Luna 25 supposedly cost about $130 million. Searching around, I found that Vitaly Egorov (a space blogger) said that a major problem was that (since the project had been running since the 1990s) some electronics in the design were dependent on imports. Those were never delivered due to sanctions, and they had to design domestic replacements (including the inertial measurement unit) which caused redesigns and delays (which always increases project costs). The domestic IMU wasn't yet up to requirements, so they had to lower the requirements in order to avoid further delays. There were presumably many more such problems.

>>16054079

>>16053831
Never. They're a crucial part of the Russian MIC.

>NASA studying issues with Orion hatch design
Why is this a problem at this stage, after 18 years and 28 billion dollars? Is this what happens when a long-running grift is finally being forced to deliver?

I know machine shops with 5 employees that could design and build a functional hatch in a day. IDK what NASA is even doing

This guy built a working submarine out of random pipes and you're telling me NASA can't build a functional vacuum vessel.

>>16054267
>>16054274
Not really aerospace grade though

>>16054277
I guess your meaning or aerospace is it has to cost at least $10 million. The hatch in the picture above is just as good and crew Dragon's hatch

>>16054267
I bet your machine shops can't even make a simple metal frame to spec.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vk_3BBx3Uak

>>16054241
space is hard

>>16054282
random American welders can't weld together a straight frame lol

>>16054241
I've heard of a flame trench but this is ridiculous

>>16053694
nice try Russia/China
all you need to know is US ICBMs have the best grain geometry

>>16054175
>>16054227
>In the treatise, he argues that Jewish synagogues and schools be set on fire, their prayer books destroyed, rabbis forbidden to preach, homes burned, and property and money confiscated. Luther demanded that no mercy or kindness be given to them,[3] afforded no legal protection,[4] and "these poisonous envenomed worms" should be drafted into forced labor or expelled for all time.[5] He also advocates their murder, writing "[W]e are at fault in not slaying them".[6]
Holy shit, kek.

>>16054286
stupid frogposter

>>16054298
meanwhile in the Torah:
Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.
1 Samuel 15:3

>>16054300
despite his disability, he's not wrong

>>16054286
*boomers
Those are old hacks who have their "methods" and refuse to improve.

>>16054079

>>16054079

>>16054323
To ensure the perfect simultaneous ignition of 32 combustion chambers is no trivial task. Even a single unlit chamber spewing kerosene and liquid oxygen would cause a catastrophic explosion when that fuel hit the waterfall of fire from the nearby nozzles. To resolve the problem, 1950s Soviet engineers working on the world's first intercontinental ballistic missile—the R-7, which is an ancestor of the Soyuz rocket—invented a contraption called PZU, a Russian abbreviation for "pyrotechnic ignition device." I found an extremely rare training manual in my archive that offers a rare glimpse into the ingenious design and operation of this contraption. After the Soyuz is installed onto the launch pad, technicians working from an access bridge under the pad manually insert wooden sticks in a shape of a T-bar into each combustion chamber. Twenty big sticks go into the main chambers and 12 smaller ones go into the steering engines. At the top of each stick you'll find a pair of pyro-charges, and between pyro-charges there is a spring-loaded brass wire that acts as an ignition sensor. Wires from pyrotechnics and from the sensor run down the stick to an outlet where they are plugged into the launch control network. When those charges fire inside the combustion chamber, their flame cuts the brass wire and the spring pulls the lose end away, breaking the electric circuit. That's what generates the ignition signal at launch control. Because the firing nozzles of the pyro-charges face each other, the ignition of only one of them ensures that the second one would light up as well (imagine two matches right next to each other). Only after the launch control has confirmed ignition inside of each and every one of the 32 chambers will they open the valves on propellant supply lines, initiating the full combustion. The flimsy wooden rig and a few wires are instantly and harmlessly incinerated in the ensuing inferno.
Interesting. Maybe Starship can be lit the same way.

>>16054325
I'm going to miss SRBs when they finally, deservedly die. So much throost that the rocket practically jumps off the pad.

>>16054325
I'm actually excited to see BOLE start testing. It's the one SLS upgrade that doesn't seem like it was designed to be a complete money laundering disaster

>>16054323
benign launch environment

>>16054197
Sand diggers

>>16054198
You're so retarded it hurts

hop.......wen?

>>16054359
In Starbase? Never.

Still can't get over the fact that the access crane looks like a cheap scifi prop

>Starship/Superheavy continues to have allignment and stacking issues
>NSF speculated the shoddy foundation and loose terrain soil are shifting out of alignment

no no noooo

>NSF
>speculated
lol, lmao

>>16054338
Vostochny 1S is a nice launch complex, but Russia really needs to stop digging such huge flame trenches for such a mid-sized rocket. The Soyuz 2 only has 300 kN more thrust at take off than the Antares did.

>>16054329
Oh, but solid-propellant rockets aren't going to die anytime soon.

>>16053691
Gorgeous aircraft.

>>16054359
Incident investigation closed. No major violations during flight like in IFT-1. Less issues to be fixed. I'm thinking mid March. So about two weeks.

>>16054372
Russians love digging
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kola_Superdeep_Borehole

>>16054323
Is there any way to make Soyuz a heavy lift rocket without changing the overall geometry?

>>16054335
>carbon fiber
>SRB
>made in Utah and shipped across the entire country by rail by segments
anon

>>16054365
cute horns

>>16054401
no

>>16054401
Adding staged combustion engines to the first stage and using hydrogen in the upper stage only gets you up to about 14 tons to LEO. There was one idea that ditched the conical boosters for more conventional cans, but that just turned Soyuz into a shittier Angara 5 with worse performance and it still couldn't get past the 20 ton mark. If you really want a heavy-lift Soyuz you need something like the YaKhR-2. Six boosters with a nuclear-ammonia core stage was expected to get about 40 tons to LEO.

>>16054401
No.

>>16054440
reminder that this stubby little rocket has a higher trans-lunar capacity than SLS

>>16054444
I thank the LORD for this get.

>>16054444
digits!
but no not even close it only uses 1 SSME equivalent
Energia without the orbiter and a second stage is superior to SLS tho

>>16054362
>looks like a cheap scifi prop
What else would an autistic scifi nerd billionaire do?

>>16054094
Ok that looks fucking cool, though.

Dragon 2: 50 individuals delivered to orbit
Boeing Shitliner: N/A

>>16054094

>>16054094
>>16054478
Not spaceflight fuck off mudslime

>>16053694
How do you make one that throttles down while the fuel is losing mass all the time?

In fact I thought that's exactly what the shuttle SRBs did

>>16054501
Any of the star shaped ones will reduce in internal surface area as the fuel is used up, reducing their thrust during the burn.

>>16053694
So how much thrust does 5 have at peak? I wanna see how quickly one of those could take off.

>>16054541
bet they use those in those anti icbm missiles that get red hot from how fast they move.

>>16054217
>SR-71 is retired first
This faggot tried to be a pilot for the SR-71 program and didn't make the cut.
Once he became a general, he went after the program and had it shut down.
One of the largest man-childs in the whole USAF.

Casual reminder that Saturn's ring system is real.

>>16054345
You know what they say about accusations without substance, don't you?

hope the Bureau of Reclamation also gets involved in Boca Chica

>>16054217
Any timeline where Lockheed won GUSTO and the A-12 was actually pressed into service is cursed.

>>16054612
to do what exactly? they just manage power and water dont they?

>>16054629
yes. Basically an additional agency to oversee and regulate SpaceX' activities

>>16054626
>this project that failed was clearly a better option
I have heard this so many times from internet contrarians.

>>16054646
fuck that, the bureaucracy is already doing damage to us ever getting back on the moon

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1764350056109310348

New space game dropped


https://x.com/lewisknaggs42/status/1764332508299092119?s=46&t=ySaWSLoZU6lwZ7u03-FcBQ

>>16054650
Of course I couldn't say whether it would have been any better, but it couldn't have been any more lolsokerbal than A-12. Whatever the case, it would have been interesting to see it fly.

A big factor in the choice was company reputation rather than technical merit of the design. Lockheed delivering the U-2 under budget was HUGE. The main technical critique Convair Kingfish received was too much focus on stealth at the cost of raw speeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed.
Despite this, they did try to develop a much more advanced mach 5 aircraft partially based on the Convair design (lol), but that went nowhere.

>>16054626
here me out: aircraft using 2 RL10 engines

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTovTT3fBJw
>SpaceX Is Getting Really Close To Launching Starship Again! - SpaceX Weekly #104

>>16054687
Would you accept one with 10 RL-10s?

>>16054650

>>16054365
Yeah id fuk her ass no prob

I don't believe any of you guys have been semi-attentively following spaceflight for more than 5 years.
Being interested in spaceflight, in my mind, is peak an interest that lasts 2, maybe 3 years tops. Because you quickly realize nothing ever happens.
My own streak was 2019-2022. Back then, everything seemed possible.

I am reminded of Rawn Pawl "happening" posts on /pol/ from 11 years ago. Of course, nothing happened back then. It was always fiction. The same is true for spaceflight. You will never witness anything great. There is progress, sure, but it's glacial, and my whole point isn't that it's pointless to be excited about this progress, but rather that following it closely is pointless. There is never any appreciable month-on-month change. We don't live in the golden age of the 1960s. The average ability of engineers has dropped somewhat, while demands for safety etc. have exploded.

>>16054723
That's a lot of words to say that you have a low attention span.

>>16054723
Been following since the early attempts at landing Falcon 9s.

>>16054723
Go back.

>>16054723
KSP syndrome is huge in the spaceflight community sadly making things seem possible when it isn't.
I also largely don't believe in the commercialisation of space and that we should follow the Apollo program playbook but it is what it is.
We do lack people with extreme (outlier) talent these days though you're right about that.

>>16054723
I don't know what counts as semi-active, I browse these threads but that's about it. Feels like that's enough to see most of all that's happening. I'm a total newfag though, only got interesting when I first saw those Starhopper tests. But yeah I don't know what you need to do that it counts as following something, I also follow all kinds of construction projects and city zoning and stuff. Arguably that's even more slow, there might be some proposal that gets showcased and then it doesn't start getting built until 5+ years later. Watching a new district get built will probably take a decade

>>16054723
its different this time

>>16054723
You don't belong here.

>>16054723
When Musk says Starship is landing on Mars in 2020 you're not supposed to literally believe it. Progress is just a bit slower than what they advertise. Multiply time by 2x at least. Also when Trump was elected it kinda happened.

>>16054744
Thoughts on this:
>>16054094

>>16054723

>>16054756

>>16054762
>>16054756

>>16054723
"Nothing ever happens" is a disease of outsiders/observers. You're only watching stuff so obviously it may quickly get boring, unless you're deeply interested.

Imagine a container ship leaving a port. An average person sees a huge chunk of steel sailing away. Meanwhile, on board there are about two dozens of men, keeping their floating home in a good shape. They keep watches, fix stuff, do maintenance and at the end, unload cargo. You could use the same analogy for every company. SpaceX is now seemingly just stacking and destacking Starship, or moving those prototypes around, but there is a lot of going on behind the scenes. I'm not a tankwatchers so I have no idea what they're doing daily, in case of Starship, it's probably a lot of launch preparations, testing and fixing malfunctions.

You get bored because the only thing you're interested in is launch. So you just watch and wait. For their employees, it's rarely ever boring because every day they meet new challenges while working towards the launch.

or basically >>16054732

>>16054764
10 more years

>>16054751
Don't know about that particular one, but the Line is a meme and in general their projects seem like have too much money so they just try to one up each other. Like back when Jeddah was working on that 1km tower, Dubai was going to build a taller one, but then when that project died, Dubai abandoned theirs as well. With the Line I can see them maybe building something around the starting zone in the marina, but after that I don't know why anybody would want to keep extending it into the desert

>>16054762
he is much further along than anybody could have guessed

>>16054769
>>16054764
I think that's still a better attitude than "we'll work towards it over the next 50 years". Would they even have dumped all that money into the Starship project if they weren't trying to push for Mars? Even if everyone knows it's a way too optimistic timeline, at least it keeps things moving I guess, rather than just stagnating

>>16054723
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_obeR1OIm8

>>16054772
It's always better to have optimistic timeline instead of "realistic" one that will be pushed back anyways.

>>16054723
there's no hope for this one. oldspace has boeingbroken him

NASA kills their multi-billion project to refuel an obsolete satellite that they were then going to do absolutely nothing with. A demonstration mission that was heading toward the cost of Hubble.

Of course, NASA still lost billions of your tax dollars in the process, but can't cry over spilled milk. Time for us all to move on.

>>16054797
China says don't worry we'll do it

>>16054723
You need to kys we ate good this year getting 3 Starship launches and only increasing. I dont want to hear your bitching of nothing ever happens when we get almost daily Falcon launches at this point, just say youre bitching because you didnt follow during Starship era.

>>16054801
Im seeing this as the last message

Wow holy shit /sfg/ is dead its been 2 god damn hours. Start talking fags we have the WDR coming up and Crew-8

>>16054934
/sfg/ is full of handsome and socially well-adjusted sirs, please understand.

>>16054934
WDR doesn't begin for another two hours and after two failures we're hoping they'll pull it off this time so the launch schedule doesn't end up slipping into late March. All there is to do is wait.

>>16054934
Crew-8 isn't for another six hours and it's been a long time since we got excited over tank filling practice

>>16054960
You fat nigger stop trying to minimize Starship activity this entire general has an addiction to Starship activity in any shape or form and that includes me and (You)0

>>16054960
It's a full launch simulation up to the point of engine starts with full use of both propellants and range assets.

>>16054967
I don't.
In fact I find most of you faggots insufferable elon cocksuckers. Unfortunately this is still the best place to discuss spaceflight when something actually happens.

>>16054801
Honestly watching Falcon launches is like trainspotting at this point, you're just watching a train

>>16054991
>reeeee Elon
What's got you so mad?

>>16054723
>We don't live in the golden age of the 1960s.
I think there is reason to expect a great acceleration in space technology and space exploration starting from the late 2020s
(1) The geopolitical environment is becoming ever more conducive to a space race
(2) Increased computing power allowing more things to be done on a computer, reducing cost of development

>>16055025
Fifty crew flown to orbit before Starliner gets off the pad with any

>>16054094
Mega-projects are good for mega-graft. It's easier and more convenient to pilfer money from a dozen big projects than from a thousand small projects.

>>16053917
The guy behind the setting has a serious hatred for both starship and spacex for no clear reason
He's also really eager to get spacex nationalised because clearly NASA is doing so well, so I think in his setting spacex is absorbed into the govt and then ??? happens and you get to the point of the setting

>>16055051
sup

>>16054365
Why did they cheap out on the launch pad so much?

Is China really going to deploy megaconstellations with expendables? They intend to launch 50 CZ-8G and 50 CZ-12 per year from Wenchang. They even built a dedicated pad just for CZ-8G and a new pad mostly intended for CZ-12, while also building 2 extra VABs for the old LC-2 pad.

https://spacenews.com/china-looks-to-long-march-8-rocket-to-help-launch-its-answer-to-starlink/
https://spacenews.com/shanghai-to-foster-commercial-space-ecosystem/

Is it because they're too impatient to wait for the reusables to be ready and are willing to shell out on expendables like Amazon? Is it because they're worried about missing the 10% deployment ITU deadline in 2029?

>>16055068
That guy is a lying faggot current launch pad is way overkill and nobody on NSF was speculating this. I checked already a few hours ago just dont listen to things that sound retarded like that

>>16054094
It looks like it could be the backdrop for an alien planet in a scifi flick

Is China really going to deploy megaconstellations with expendables? They apparently intend to launch 50 CZ-8 and 50(?) CZ-12 per year from Wenchang. They even built a dedicated pad just for CZ-8, and a new universal pad that seems mostly intended for CZ-12. They're also building an extra twin-door VAB for the old CZ-7/8 pad.

https://spacenews.com/china-looks-to-long-march-8-rocket-to-help-launch-its-answer-to-starlink/
https://spacenews.com/shanghai-to-foster-commercial-space-ecosystem/
https://twitter.com/raz_liu/status/1746708686498881701

Is it because they're too impatient to wait for the reusables to be ready, and are willing to shell out on expendables like Amazon, except on an even larger scale? Is it because they're worried that they might otherwise miss the 10% deployment ITU deadline in 2029?

>>16054772
>Would they even have dumped all that money into the Starship project if they weren't trying to push for Mars?
Why not? It's a LEO truck for Starlink first and foremost; that's how Starship is supposed to pay for itself.

>>16055099
they don't have any F9 class reusables on the horizon, what do you expect them to do

>>16054723
I hate to break it to you, but this thread is literally the spaceflight equivalent of trainspotting. Bitching about glacial progress is the domain of ADHD zoomers who can't even follow an event through a TWO MORE WEEKS delay

You may also be surprised to hear that the government agencies in charge of spaceflight are not keen to make dramatic gains in technology over the course of a single mission. NASA was straight up dismayed to see their new LIDAR system get TRL 9 in one mission thanks to Intuitive Machines' fuckup with IM-1. Those are engineers who were banking on having another year or two of fully-funded work on a system that is now already done.

>>16055099
Megaconstellations are military machines. Starlink was not built to give uncle Joe the possibility to watch cheerleaders documentaries from his cab in the woods. So China can't afford to remain behind.

>>16055105
TL-3 is supposed to launch this year, as are the smaller reusable rockets Pallas-1 and Nebula-1. ZQ-3 and Hyperbola-3 are supposed to launch in 2025, and CZ-10A is NET 2025Q4. Expace's methalox rocket is probably not much further off. But there will likely be delays, and it will likely take years to debug them, to ramp up production, to get reusability working, to improve turnaround time, etc.

>>16055099
Honestly it just depends on how much they want to spend. CZ-5 costs $75m according to USSF (minus ground support & logistics) which is still cheaper than what Amazon is paying ULA to launch Kuiper.

>>16055115
Amazon is only planning to launch 3,236 satellites though, at least for the time being. The Chinese have already filed with the ITU plans for 26,000 satellites.

>>16055099
They're really keen to do force projection in southeast asia but don't have the infrastructure to do so, and they're working on that at all possible speed

I'm really not liking the Kessler syndrome forecast these days. The megaconstellations may all be in LEO and thus not going to stay up for more than a year without propulsion, but that's a year without space access for anyone if ASAT becomes the first-strike weapon everyone assumes it is. It may be that non-kinetic approaches are being worked on and we'll see something like orbital paint guns just shutting off onboard solar

>>16055068
I assume there's a nontrivial risk it might get blown up during testing

>>16055099
50 isn't an unreasonable number for a large, well-designed factory. Michoud was originally laid out to produce 40 Delta IV cores per year, and there were a few early quotes that Hawthorne could build 40 Falcons per year. LM-8 is about in the same size class as Falcon 9 v1.0 and LM-12 isn't that much bigger. Neither of them are great for building out a megaconstellation, but they could serve as a stopgap while China's reuseables work through their teething issues.

And it's not like China is going to turn down more launch capacity. They've been bottlenecked on that for years. One of the reasons there hasn't been a big die off in their independent LSPs is because there are just too many commercial payloads that keep getting sent to the back of the queue in favor of yet another set of Gaofen satellites.

Pad is now cleares for WDR

>>16054282
>sponsored video
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>encourages broke young people to waste their money on precision welds nobody needs

>>16054282
>sponsored video
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>encourages broke young people to waste their money on precision welds nobody will need

>>16055149
>Vibration-dampening table
I can just hear the opticsbros screeching about how their calibrations are ruined because a car drove by now

Daily reminder Vulcan was not needed

>>16055165
Vulcan is a LOT cheaper than Delta though. They retired the Medium because it was completely uncompetitive, and without Medium launches amortizing the CBC costs the Heavy quickly became unaffordable.

>>16055169
After reading the Shuttle External Tank lessons learned paper I no longer wonder how this stuff is so expensive

With H-3 being built with automotive parts I wonder how long it will be until we get our first COTS rocket with absolutely nothing custom about it

>>16055149
>precision nobody will need
lol
I don't know how hard he cherrypicked the shit shops to sell his shit, but you couldn't pass a single optional welding course in a vocational school with that kind of work.
But maybe that is just normal in 'merika. Would explain why their car build quality hasn't been competitive in half a century.

>>16054362
Smooth uncluttered surfaces with simple windows is practical and realistic. Complicated surfaces covered with little pointy bits of junk may look "realistic" but it's actually pointless.

>>16055165
For the affordable price of one quadrillion dollars per launch

>>16055183
That cheap plastic cover and lighting arrangement designed to mimic iToddler design language is what's pointless.

>>16054362
That's the point. It's supposed to look scifi-y. Musk has overpriced cars to sell, he needs all the tech hype he can get.

>>16055189
>cheap plastic cover
You'd rather an expensive cover? Or no cover at all and leave it exposed to the elements?
>lighting arrangement
You mean the lights on the ceiling inside? Those lights?
Would you prefer it looked more like a gantry. More exposed metal.

>>16055169
Delta IV was expensive because it never launched and it never launched because it was too expensive for anyone to buy. If we'd gone with an EELV based lunar program back in 2005 it might have actually broken the cycle enough to make Delta commercially competitive.

>>16054237
India has the largest population in the world now so I imagine they're not really lacking for engineers and software experts. Point being, Indians don't have much room to criticize IM's first lunar landing attempt when their own national space agency's first attempt went much worse.

>>16055201
Delta IV was inordinately expensive because its production was set up with 30+ launches a year in mind when it was lucky to have more than 1.

>>16055231
Every single vaguely Shuttle derived program has this issue.

3 BONGS to launch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qe_1qo6teZs

>>16055284
Nobody cares Starship WDR is more important than some ISS pork mission.

>>16054769
10 & 1/26 more years

>>16055289
yeah but this one has a CIA glowie onboard

>>16054079

>>16054057
It's a write-off

>>16055284
Why is it pixelated even at 4k?

>>16055315
anon discovers bitrate

What's going on with Heavenly Palace nowadays? I sometimes completely forget the Chinese have a station right now

>>16055316
>Transmitting 240p from the ground in the year of our Lord 2024
Even the countdown timer is fucked up.

Would a WDR be considered as Starship edging to launch?

For both the Prime Crew and Backup Crew there's a black female as Mission Specialist 1 and a Russian named Alexander as Mission Specialist 2. What are the odds?

>>16055362
50/50

>>16055284

>>16055368
nerve gas?

stack destack stack destack stack destack stack destack stack destack stack destack stack destack stack destack stack destack stack destack stack destack stack destack stack destack stack destack stack destack stack destack stack destack stack destack stack destack stack destack stack destack stack destack stack destack stack destack stack destack stack destack stack destack stack destack stack destack stack destack stack destack stack destack

who is right?

>>16055391
>falling for the scam spacex channel
lmao
how would you feel if crew-8 wasn't launching tonight?

>>16055391
Lmao retarded faggot kys

>>16055394
god damn really? shit was on my youtube homepage between the nsf starbase stream and the nasa steam.
they make it look legit, I would have expected old footage of elon ranting about something random while they shilled crypto. this is just what, the livestream from last attempt?

>>16055391
Nobody's right, this isn't real. Wake up anon, wake up!

>>16055398
>using yt homepage
why do you let the algorithm into your life like that idiot

WDR is already 2/3rds filled

WDR is fully loaded, and now we have a sneak peak at what the kino that is night Starship will be.

>>16055418
>>16055409
Took about 35 minutes for the everything to be loaded btw.

>>16055422
That's actually crazy fast for a stack that big.

>>16055424
if Wikipedia has the right prop numbers that's over two tons of propellant loaded per second

The youtube stream is super messed up btw. On twitch it doesn't look pixelated

Hello

Mark Rober
MARS ROVER
:OOOOOOOO

>>16055433
Kys gtfo with this redditnigger meme.
>>16055430
Stop using twitch you subhuman

>>16055437
The youtube stream is disgustingly pixelated. I'm not watching that

>>16055439
You can turn up the quality manually you fat retard.

>>16055440
>implying
Enjoy your pixelated slop LMAOOO.
The Youtube stream is literally busted

>>16055448
works on my machine

Why did Starship just BRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAPPPP

>>16055427
Imagine the deltaP.

>hair in seal
>leak test was "with margin"
>arm retracted
yeah its a scrub

>>16055484
LES armed

*CRACK*

>the absolute state of ShitX

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1Eg_FltUZk

so was this a failed attempt?

Clear Live!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2kMqcKsWpU

>>16054120
>Extenral

Knower here, rocket is gonna blow up.

>>16055515
doesn't seem like it

>Based Russo-American alliance going into space

OH NO INDIA/CHINA BROS

>>16055517
MaxQute

>>16055531
China's got their own ride. India's working on their ride, but until it's done they bought a seat on Axiom-4

>>16055535
They will always be last going to the Moon, America won - even in debt in political chaos.

>>16055535
designated shitting skies

>>16055535
Designated pre-school booster landing zone.

launchcat.gif

we gaan

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

YEET

holy balls the pixels have pixels get it together NASA

Max-Qute!

HOLY SHIT THEY'RE DEAD

>>16055550
THE CRACK FUCKING KILLED THEM!1!!one!

>>16055547
What is going on? WHo is the blonde from NASA, and who is the redhead from SpaceX?

>crew-8 launch is happening right now
>not a single post about it
holy shit /sfg is so dead

AND IT FUCKING LANDED ITSELF

>>16055555
Watchin

>>16055555
Checked. We're all fiddling with our browsers seeing if the shitty telemetry is on our end or if something is wrong with the booster.

lolz roscosmos cut the feed before grebkin got to make his speech

>no video inside the capsule
IT'S OVER
THEY'RE DEPRESSURIZING

>Starship WDR
>Crew 8
>only 300 posts

Yeah this general is fucking dead.

Nice gaslighting attempts, dillhole.

>>16054300
>mad at pepe
Go back to the adl faggot

>>16055594
crew launches are routine especially these NASA crew launches

>>16055594
SpaceX doesn't stream on YouTube anymore so I don't care

>>16055601
stupid frogposter

>>16055601
the ADL hate Pepe because they're retarded and jewish
I hate Pepe because he's ugly
we are not the same

>>16055613
Figures a pedo jew would hate pepe

>>16055638
Cirnigger never leaves this general even though xhe contributes nothing but bitching and moaning about a literal frog on a frog website.

https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1764534172595651063

>>16055731
anime website

>>16055737
frog website

>>16055737
frog website, frog board, frog general. try again

all frogposters get the fucking airlock

https://spacenews.com/crew-8-launches-to-space-station/

>Sarah Walker, director of Dragon mission management at SpaceX, said at a post-launch briefing it was an “extremely quiet countdown” with the one issue being a minor imperfection or crack spotted in the top layer of a seal in the spacecraft’s side hatch. That issue, spotted during reviews of photos taken during the closeout of the hatch, was cleared only about 10 minutes before liftoff.
>She said the size of the crack in the room-temperature vulcanized (RTV) seal, about 0.13 square centimeters, was within the qualified limit of the deal’s design based on past tests. “That was ultimately the flight rationale that cleared us for launch,” she said, with additional margin coming from the limited heating that part of the spacecraft gets during reentry and because the heating would “self-heal” the crack.

the only interesting thing about this launch

https://planetocracy.substack.com/p/mass-value-report-for-february-2024

>>16055765
the absolute state of ULA

wtf my favorite kpop group's (don't judge) youtube channel just got turned into a spacex scam

>>16055772
how does the scam work? some link into a crypto site that then steals your information?

>>16055772
i am judging you and i think you are a faggot

>>16055791
they are all attractive young women

>spacex can now fuel starship at 2 tons of fuel per second
wtf

>>16055772
this is what wony gets for being a bitch

>>16055792
asians are not attractive

>>16055799
please don't post these ugly creatures here thanks

>>16055804
>>16055801
b*sed

>>16055570
Why did this crew-8 astronaut beat up the stuffed dog and then give the middle finger to the camera?

Was he making a political statement?? Was it the russian astronaut? Was he making a statement about Ukraine??

>>16055833
The commander and pilot sit there. So. No.

>mfw the guy commanding Crew-8 is a local
>but this got zero fucking press in the local news
I knew space was niche but goddamn

>>16055856
Call into the local news and lecture them

>>16055737
based

How did the WDR go?

>>16055874
Fastest one so far. They went from 90 to 45 minutes.

>>16055840
Wuz it the black guy

Who did that

>>16055920
It was the white guy

Very unprofessional of a white man to act like this

>>16055941
can he be punoshed? please telp me there will be justice

Launch will be on 4/20 haha

>>16056006
no
with the WDR done, what is there left?

>>16056035

https://twitter.com/Ringwatchers/status/1764316086940348845

>>16056039

https://twitter.com/peterrhague/status/1764571079157199351

>>16056045
>its hard to get people to the moon

>>16056090
it's not that easy in rocketry

>>16056045
>>16056090
China is going to BTFO NASA so hard

>>16054079

China will go the way of Soviet Union within your lifetimes.
Their space program is not sustainable. The underlying society is built on fakes and literal trash.
Meanwhile NASA will keep trudging on, slow and steady, providing a solid foundation for world-leading private space companies.

>>16054144
That's an intersting proposal. That would probably be the only way to get a temperature differential strong enough to generate power, although you will lose a good chunk of efficiency.

>>16054678
I would give my first born son for the star trek future to be true.

>successful WDR
>ayystronauts in spess (again) (again) (again) (again) (again) (again) (again) (again)
SeX can't stop winning!

>>16056022
FAA launch license. The investigation is done, but they haven't issued the license.

>>16055874
Total loss

>>16056204
nah, I see "sovietisation" of US happening in real time
all positions of power and education are being rapidly filled by far left extremists
it's a coinflip whether US or China falls apart first

>>16056204
You're delusional, buddy. Just like all those Euros thinking they're stronger than Russia because they're richer.

>>16056272
You never had real democracy on federal level. You always had dumb divisive domestic issues. Nothing's changed.

As long as US keeps playing the world police with military bases, access agreements and allies all over the globe, their geopolitical position is so far above any potential competitor that you don't even begin to comprehend it.

>>16056245
launch will happen almost right away after the license is given, that by itself doesn't really give much useful information about how close the launch is or readiness for it
it just basically means "its going to happen now"

>>16055860
>46 in human years

>>16054365
lisa cute

>>16055860
>>16056347
Fucking HAG

https://twitter.com/60Minutes/status/1764453960016867487

Anyone see this? BO tour given to 60 minutes

>>16056272
Seems like you're only paying attention to what you want to see.

>>16056045
>>16056357
Is there a full video somewhere online?

>>16056361
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/nasa-artemis-moon-mission-faces-delays-space-agency-pushes-ahead-60-minutes/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab7d&linkId=345632311

13min video here linked in the BO post you replied to

>>16056365
https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/stream-recorder-download/iogidnfllpdhagebkblkgbfijkbkjdmm

Downloader for stream, if anyone wants to save it.

>>16056365
>But, so far, Starship has yet to reach orbit even once.
>SpaceX ignored multiple requests for an interview or comment. In an interview with "The Daily Wire" in January, Elon Musk said he was hoping to have people on the moon in less than five years.

>In the battle of the star-gazing billionaires, Bezos' Blue Origin has far fewer launches than Musk's SpaceX, and has been far quieter about its ambitions — until now.
you could say that, BO has 0 launches lmao

>>16056373
>Blue Origin's New Glenn is its first heavy lift rocket. It has a maiden launch set for this year. New Glenn is designed to carry all sorts of payloads, including the lunar landers being built for NASA.
lol again, first heavy lift rockets? Its their first rocket of any kind
a layman reading this will think BO and SpaceX are basically equivalent at this time, really dishonest framing

The public is waking up
https://x.com/60Minutes/status/1764451861057192310?s=20

SLS delenda est

>>16056377
they make it seem that way but when you look at the actual talk>>16056365
they are framing it in a way that implies that BO and SpaceX capabilities are basically equivalent
and they said that IFT-1 and IFT-2 had the same result, which is fucking ridiculous
there was very significant milestones reached in IFT-2 compared to IFT-1 like stage separation, all engines working on IFT-2 for the booster, Starship nearly reaching orbit, the launchpad having no significant damage just to name some that come to mind

>>16056365
>we are expecting to land this on the moon in 12 to 16 months from today
so cargo demo from BO at the end of 2025 to start of 2026

>>16056370
>>16056373
Just a coincidence they criticize one rocket and gloss over the same detail of another.

>>16056377
>The public is waking up
But not in a fashion that's beneficial at all. They'll just complain about it costing too much leading to shutdown, not cheaper alternatives./

Astra may finally die
>The board of spacecraft propulsion and launch vehicle company Astra has warned that if it is unable to complete a deal offered by the company’s founders to go private, its only option is to liquidate the company.

https://spacenews.com/astra-warns-of-liquidation-if-proposal-to-go-private-falls-through/

>>16056376
>Its their first rocket of any kind
come on now. I know we don't like them but you don't have to lie. Blue has a reasonably advanced sounding rocket under their belt

>>16056418
well orbital rocket

>>16056389
Kinda looks like Chris Kattan
>>16056377
>"SLS is expensive so we shouldn't go to Mars"
They did this on purpose didn't they

Hey siri, remind me in 16 months to check the Lunar surface for a BO lander
(it will not be there)

>>16056377
spaceguy5 who works on the SLS says it is not $4.1b per launch but the cost of the entire thing: supply chain, ground support and infra, rocket and all