/sci/ - Science & Math

It tastes really fucking good

Red meat is good for you, thats why people who abstain from it consider themselves to be self-sacrificing. If it was bad for you then vegans wouldn't brag about avoiding it as if that was some sort of great feat of self control and willpower.

>>16045709
And you know why? It’s because it isn’t natural. These animals have been domesticated over many years and no longer have the gamey taste they once had. You wouldn’t be into meat as much if you had to eat the gamey stuff.

>>16045671
Even raw red meat smells great. Fuck, even if slightly stale the smell gives you a hint of how many nutrients it has.

You know what? I will give you a paradox I haven't solved myself: we are told cholesterol levels have gone down, and we can see a replacement of traditional butter and meat with grains and seed oils in the US. While at the same time, somehow, the population has gotten fatter, from a low of 10% being obese to now whopping 50% obese and total of 80% at least overweight. So how come life expectancy has supposedly increased? Testosterone is also at a historical low by the way. Last time I checked the excess deaths from the last years has supposedly and ridiculously brought life expectancy back to 1995 levels. So how trustworthy is the life expectancy number even? And how has heart disease deaths supposedly decreased until 2020 if people became an army of land whales?

These numbers don't add up.

>>16045719
vegan diet induces brain-damage after (often times less than) 3 month. What they do or say can not be assumed logically coherent or even sane and must therefore always be dismissed.

(pic related is brain atrophy in a child due to vit. b12 deficiency - and yes, you are not a baby, but you still need this shit for maintanance + vit b12 isn't the only nutritional deficiency that is commonly induced by vegetarianism / veganism)

>>16045724
If anything humans are supposed to eat more fish and seafood than meat because it tastes good naturally straight from the wild, unlike meat.
Maybe gamey meat can eventually taste good, maybe it’s an acquired taste, I don’t really know.

>>16046028
right, because humans evolved in the ocean and not on land, thats why we're evolved to eat fish

>>16046079
But maybe there is something to it. Studies show that fish don’t feel pain, and even the studies that try to disprove it aren’t able to do it effectively.

>>16046079
And yes, humans did start their evolution in the ocean, just like every other animal.

>>16045671
It is the ultimate food, followed hy white meat and fish. Even if it were to take 20 years off your life (it doesn't), during the years you do have you are going to be stronger, healthier and happier.

>>16046141
the first opisthokonts were terrestrial creatures, fish evolved from them.

>>16045671
Depends.
If the animal you are eating was sick, the meat is shit too. Don't eat from industrial agriculture. Get pasture raised meat from a small farm or better hunt your own.
>>16045724
>>16046028
Gamey meat is delicious. Your taste buds are just fucked up from eating trash.

>>16046187
I don’t have much experience with gamey meat. I have eaten Kangaroo meat and it does have a strong flavour, if well seasoned it’s actually not too bad. It’s sold everywhere around Australia, it’s not domesticated and it’s caught in the wild.
What I said in the previous post is just based on how other people describe not liking gamey meat.

>>16046137
Another fun fact: Many sea creatures don’t have brains or a nervous system.

>Clams, oysters, mussels, and scallops, neither of them have brains.

>>16045671
Studies have shown that red meat is necessary to a degree but it can cause high levels of fat to build up in the body

>>16046337
>it can cause high levels of fat to build up in the body
this is the same for any other food eaten in excessive amount desu

I minimized meat consumption, like once a week or something. Seems to be fine for quite some years now.

It all It all comes from crappy research by the WHO's IARC Working Group.
-Observational study (so methodologically they cannot attribute causality).
-They do not separate red meat from processed meat (when we know that the problem is phosphates added to processed meat).
And so on.
No one who has gone near a serious scientific paper on the subject in their life can believe that crap, but that's the way the world goes.

>>16045671
Meat = foreign cells
Foreign cells inside our body = fight taking place and CONSTANT inflamation in the body (if you do 3 meals a day). The body doesn't get rest in not being inflamed.

>>16046639

BTW, it's the same carcinogenity level (2A) as "Hot drinks" or "night work".

https://www.epa.ie/media/epa-2020/environment-amp-you/radiation/Electromagnetic_fields_5G_and_health_factsheet.pdf

>>16046643
>Meat = foreign cells

Plants do not have cells, right?

Back to /x/.

>>16046250
>picks up sea sponge
>
>crunch

>>16045671
lean meat is red meat fucking retard

>>16045671
Is lean meat not red meat?

>>16045671
long-term average intake of more than 100g/day correlates with cancer

>>16046830
Nutritional and cancer research fields are both junk.

>>16047090
https://youtu.be/xHkCuxy1BrM
https://youtu.be/vkvdAznoFqY

>>16046643
Plant = foreign cells
Foreign cells inside our body = fight taking place and CONSTANT inflamation in the body (if you do 3 meals a day). The body doesn't get rest in not being inflamed.

Therfor, plant bad for you (supa bad) so only eat woter (has no cells = good yes yes)

>>16045671
Only significant potential pathway I've seen is through gut bacteria turning some molecule into another, harmful one in your intestines. These bacteria are suppressed with raw garlic... So, eh, eat garlic if you're really scared?

The other pathway is saturated fat, but that's in a LOT of things and I think the optimal lipid intake profile depends on your genetic makeup.

>>16046175
Nonsense.

>>16047970
the first opisthokonts were terrestrial creatures, fish evolved from them.

>>16048259
It's very hard to talk about food science since even smart people are mentally ill when it comes to the topic. Sugar addiction is real. It's so real that brain will go ape shit if you even consider dropping carbohydrates from your diet. It happened to me at first but I stuck with it and it transformed me. It also helps that I'm a cautious person who rejected the vax unlike most retards on /sci/, so I'm no stranger to telling the Jew to fuck off.

Humans evolved to eat high fat megafauna ruminant meat. Anything else is technically not species appropriate. We can tolerate butter and ghee and stuff like that but plants are toxic as fuck. White people can have dairy as well but even then I noticed my skin quality going to shit when I consume dairy.

No one will respond to this btw. Also if they don't will be some bot saying I'm schizo. Do the opposite of what the Jew tells you and you will be correct 99.99999999% of the time

>>16048259
ham isn't even red meat, plus theres barely any meat on that 'dwich at all

>>16045724
Just go shoot a wild elk and taste it, it is still good.

>>16046028
>because it tastes good naturally straight from the wild, unlike meat.
That's your opinion.

>>16045671
no its good for you

>>16048460
People who don't hunt have never tasted a real wild animal. Regardless that they throw around the word "gamey" as if they know what it means

>>16045671
It's fine. Medicine has devolved (perhaps it was never really respectable?) to discussion of irrelevant diets and ineffective practices because actually eradicating disease is too hard.

>>16048259
Two of the most commonly eaten Italian foods throughout all of history were being considered meat even though it wasn't pure 100% beef
The problem you have is that you're actually looking for the negative health effects of the carnivore diet, which is well documented outside of tiktokers who quit as soon as they contract food poisoning or parasites

>>16046141
me in the middle

>>16051073
>The problem you have is that you're actually looking for the negative health effects of the carnivore diet
source?

>>16045731
Smoking is the biggest factor which caused lower average life expectancy 50 years ago. Also exercise is much more prevalent than it was in 1970. Medical treatments for heart disease, like bypass surgery, have gotten more effective and widely used. Cancer diagnostics have become more prevalent and effective, so they're catching cancers earlier. People didn't get routine colonoscopies or mammograms 50 years ago like they do today. All these things considered, the average person should be living to 90, but 50 years of advancements in medical science and public health have mostly been canceled out by the proliferatiom of hyperprocessed food and misguided nutritional advice.

>>16051505
>source
You get one
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32833688/
>talking to people about their diet is like talking to children
>literally just eat your veggies

>>16051692
>>literally just eat your veggies
which micronutrients are found in vegetables that aren't found in either animal foods or fruits?

>>16051707
>muh micronutrients
go eat a raw dick, faggot

>>16051709
>go eat a raw dick
coincidentally that would have more micronutrients than vegetables would

>>16051710
Yeah I'm sure you eat organs and not just muscle you eternal faggot

>>16051713
>Yeah I'm sure you eat organs
yes, just bought some veal liver yesterday

>>16051717
congratulations on being the 1% of meat eaters who do
we were talking about general trends, and not your faggoty diet you do to make yourself feel unique

>>16051746
>Yeah I'm sure you
>and not just muscle you eternal faggot
sounds like you were talking about me specifically but i accept your concession
back to my original question then
what (micro)nutrients are found in plants that aren't found in animal foods or fruits?

>>16051752
>sounds like you were talking about me specifically
You sure you're getting all those micronutrients? Your memory isn't the best.
I recommend you follow this conversation back to the beginning
>>16051073
My link to you was pertaining to animal muscle specifically because that's the only thing most meat eaters consume

>>16051755
this is my first reply in this conversation >>16051707
>My link to you was pertaining to animal muscle specifically because that's the only thing most meat eaters consume
fair enough, then you would agree we should be encouraging people to eat more organs instead of more vegetables or muscle meats, yes?

>>16051758
>you would agree we should be encouraging people to eat more organs instead of more vegetables or muscle meats, yes?
Absolutely

>>16051764
great
have a nice weekend anon

>>16051765
You too. Didn't notice you joined the convo halfway

>>16051717
How are you going to make it, liver and onions? I only really see people eating that way.

>>16051717
I don’t really know if what I’m saying makes sense, but I suspect that you may have a high percentage of Neanderthal DNA.

>>16046137
If fish don't feel pain, then could I sous vide a live salmon at say 130 degrees F and then eat it once it passes out from the heat? Seems like it would be peak freshness and avoid any oxidative breakdown from having it already dead and then cooking it. I feel bad for animals and wouldnt do it if they felt pain but if what your saying is true then it makes sense to just store fish live and cook them alive if they truly don't feel pain.

>>16046137
It's okay to fish cause they don't have any feelings.

>>16051863
Well, they used to throw lobsters alive directly into boiling water. I don’t really know if they still do.

>>16051871
https://youtu.be/beIDKFwXam0

>>16051863
>>16051873
Science has got things wrong before. I don’t know who to trust anymore.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling_frog

>>16051795
I chop a handful of it into bite size pieces and eat that for breakfast
>>16051855
>I suspect that you may have a high percentage of Neanderthal DNA.
because I write like one?

>>16051898
>because I write like one?
No, because you like liver. Very few people like it.

>>16051873
>>16051886
It's not boiling it alive. It's sous viding it alive which poses a greater moral conundrum because it will prolong the time it takes for the salmon to die. The pain felt would be worsened due to the duration.

>>16051898
>>16051903
There is plenty information available about this online.

>>16045671
Grass Fed Red Meat/Wild Game is really fucking good for you.

The stuff you buy at the store that's really fatty and pumped full of anti-biotics, steroids and other slop? Still alright, but not the best meat option.

>>16051871
sharks have no misgivings about eating people so why should i care if fish have feelings or not?

>>16046337
Yes, but a food that puts good quality bodyweight on you means that it is nutritious and good for you.
In nature, you would want to eat foods that sustain your body weight.
If a food makes you skinner, that is a sign that it is an unhealthy food, as that would not allow you to survive in nature.

>>16051692
> .gov
LMAO

>>16045671
The forbidden food science is this:
The quality of your protein matters. It is the missing part in most peoples’ diets. If your protein quality is lacking, you will simultaneously starve yourself and overeat.

https://youtu.be/P449lL7Thgw

>>16053069
>we will be producing "foods" that will closely resemble meat such as beyond meat
why are you retards so obsessed with making this slop look and taste like meat? do you think that's why people eat meat?
no, they eat it because meat is nutritious
your cancer-patties are not

>>16045731
>And how has heart disease deaths supposedly decreased until 2020 if people became an army of land whales?
This one doesn't seem hard to hypothesise: people are probably dying of other causes before the critical point of heart disease. Not to say the high risk is there but there's something else much worse that's killing them before that happens; any guesses? Maybe diabetes.

>>16046250
>brains are a requirement to feel pain

>It takes 3 - 5 MINUTES for a live 2lb crab to die in boiling water.
>They have an opioid system and nociceptors, which means they feel pain using the same biological mechanisms that mammals do. So it's crazy and sadistic to be boiling them alive, obviously.
>They stop moving almost instantly, I can pull one right back out and it doesn't fight, it's dead!
>No, it isn't, it's severely injured. That first dip in the water instantly causes severe burns to their eyes, gills, and antenna, quickly putting the crab in a state of shock.
>It takes over 30 seconds for the heart to stop working, and several minutes for nerve function to stop entirely, which means it may be perceiving pain for several minutes in the boiling water.

If crustaceans have nociceptors and opioid systems, they can definitely feel pain. The question is, how do they perceive it? I'm convinced they're not capable of complex thought, so I don't give a flying fuck how they perceive it. My laptop knows if I drop it, it panics and shuts down the drives before it hits the ground, but I don't feel sympathetic for the bleep bloop machine, or a stepped-on cockroach, or a delicious boiled lobster.

>>16045671

Red meat is bad for your personal health: it is associated with decreased life expectancy, obesity, higher LDL cholesterol, higher risk for type 2 diabetes, prostate cancer, colon cancer, hormonal imbalance... It typically also contains microplastics and pesticide residues. Studies from Loma Linda University indicate that vegan men could live up to 9 years longer than your average american. Vegan women could also live 7 years longer.

Even worse, meat in general is terrible for public health. It is one of the main causes for global warming, deforestation, water and air pollution... All of which drastically reduces the quality of life of humanity. It is also responsible for 60% of all current human pathogens. Ebola, influensa and covid 19 broke out from meat consumption. For example the Spanish flu which caused 50 million human deaths broke out in a chicken farm. 80% of all antibiotics used in the United States arefed to farm animals, while 5 million humans die every year due to antibiotic resistance.

>>16045740
Recent studies show that vegans in developed countries do not have lower blood concentrations of B12. Most vegans supplement daily, or ingest B12 via supplemented products such as milk or cereals. If you think that taking supplements is bad, you should know that the only reason meat from animal factories contains B12 is that the animals are given B12 supplements.

>>16053828
Yeah poking amoebas or slapping a rock with googley eyes glued on gives "pain" and "empathy" responses but whether or not there is actual suffering taking place seems far-fetched

>>16045671
the "west" is used to it
nowaday some of them tainted with chemicals
>make us sicker and frail
you already are, no muscle will help ya

>>16054580
>It is one of the main causes for global warming, deforestation
that's agriculture
>water and air pollution
that's all urban enviroment which also has abnormal temperatures (which is used to push climate change)
urbanism gave us sugar and drug culture (agriculture) which are bigger issues than the likes of ebola and influensia
>>16054580
>Recent studies show that vegans in developed countries do not have lower blood concentrations of B12. Most vegans supplement daily, or ingest B12 via supplemented products such as milk or cereals. If you think that taking supplements is bad, you should know that the only reason meat from animal factories contains B12 is that the animals are given B12 supplements
almost as if the urban lifestyle is a failure and you are all coping by veganism vs meateater war, which is metely one of many "problems presented" to you by certain individuals
useful morons all of you

>>16053828
>>16054598
suffering is nothing more than the act of trying to reach tranquility after being perturbed
pain only makes you react to suffering better but it is not on itself proof of suffering

>>16054617
>that's agriculture
80% of all current Amazon deforestation is directly caused by cattle ranching. Even just considering agriculture, around 3/4 of crops are directly used for animal feed.

> that's all urban enviroment
Livestock emit 64% of total ammonia emissions in the air. In urban environments, it is a notable factor for decrease in human life expectancy. Similarily up to 88% of nutrients and oocysts in rivers is caused by livestock.

> almost as if the urban lifestyle is a failure
Even free-range animals in the countryside should ideally be supplemented, if that is what you meant. It is much easier to just eat a plant-based diet and directly supplement in whatever nutrient you are missing.

>>16054663
>is directly caused by cattle ranching
by logging, agriculture, and mining.
>Even just considering agriculture, around 3/4 of crops are directly used for animal feed.
that goes to show what enables what

>>16054580
>it is associated with
stopped reading right here
neck yourself

>vegan diet causes low iq

>>16055085
There is a direct causality link with consuming of saturated fat and being fat.
With consuming high amounts of LDL cholesterol and having high blood levels of LDL cholesterol.
With eating something filled with hormones and getting affected by the hormones.

>>16055803
The Norwegian study in question:

> The scientists collected blood samples from 500 infants in Bhaktapur, Nepal, to measure their B12 status.

>Around five years later they contacted more than half of these youngsters to conduct various tests of their mental ability.

In developed countries nowadays, studies show that vegan kids have higher blood levels of B12 than meat eaters. That is because most vegans supplement, and supplemented vegan products are unavoidable.

https://www.cureus.com/articles/195732-the-effects-of-vegan-diet-on-fetus-and-maternal-health-a-review#!/
> preliminary studies have revealed that kids born to vegan moms may have somewhat better intelligence quotient (IQ)scores

>>16055848

>>16056136
>new consensus
This isn't peer-reviewed science; it's the controversal opinion of one person who has spent years advocating for this single issue.

If you want to know what the consensus is, check wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturated_fat#Association_with_diseases
> There is moderate-quality evidence that reducing the proportion of saturated fat in the diet and replacing it with unsaturated fats or carbohydrates for a period of at least two years leads to a reduction in the risk of cardiovascular disease. A 2021 review found that diets high in saturated fat were associated with higher mortality from all-causes and cardiovascular disease.

> In 2019, the UK Scientific Advisory Committee on Nutrition (SACN) published a report "Saturated fats and health" which examined 47 systematic reviews and meta-analyses. Their report concluded that higher saturated fat consumption is associated with raised blood cholesterol and increased risk of heart disease.

https://www.bmj.com/content/355/bmj.i5796
> Higher dietary intakes of major SFAs are associated with an increased risk of coronary heart disease.

And so on.

>>16048337
I just think that plants are ok to eat too. Like, greens and stuff. Carbs should be managed though. Everything else you said is 100% right of course, especially about the jews.

>>16056185
Meanwhile Americans are 80% fat, 40% obese on a diet of low saturated fat. Surely there is something wrong here

>>16056267
Even assuming saturated fats are healthy, meat is still a lot more calorific than legumes, cooked grains, fruits, vegetables, and most other vegan ingredients. If you eat more calories than you burn, you gain weight.

Only vegans happen to have a healthy average BMI, yet they have the highest carb intake.

>>16056330
>meat is still a lot more calorific
>If you eat more calories than you burn, you gain weight.
that's why tranny nutrition research are junk. most never control for calorie intake.
blame meat for the diseases but it's just obese faggot eating portions for four people in a meal that are dying.
eating meat in moderation and you'll be fine.

also who fucking eat mainly eats meat?
men. what do men do? they fucking die young.
braindead nutrition researchers be like eating meat leads to early death, chuds.
this is the state of nutrition research.

>>16054580
>It is one of the main causes for global warming, deforestation, water and air pollution
Global warming is increasing the number of ticks. One of the diseases that they carry makes you allergic to red meat. Life, uh, finds a way of fixing things.

https://youtu.be/tcmvWgc1aV4

>>16056330
Almost my entire high school football team was "obese" during Obama era, that was a funny time. Everyone the military extended offers to on the basis of fitness was considered "overweight" too.

I will say that vegan chicks are fun though

>>16045671
>Redpill me on red meat
Spoiler: It's cows.

>>16056892
Just wait until you can get Alpha-gal directly from consuming red meat or some other similar disease. You know, just like how some people became lactose intolerant all of a sudden.

>lactose intolerance: ~65% of people worldwide (less common in Europeans and East Africans)

>>16056910
You could be a healthy athlete with BMI >25, but on average, someone with a BMI >25 is overweight.
BMI does not make much sense on an individual level. It gets more relevant when you consider large groups in studies.

>>16056892
>Global warming
fake af

>>16046830
Only because of the cooking process.

>>16046830
Correlation is not causation.

>>16057884
having a high bmi is not healthy ever, being "big" is not healthy ever
it's just gymfag/exercise/athlete/sportfag cope

>>16059307
cooking meat doesn't cause cancer either, greedy doctors spread that lie because they want more people to get food poisoning and other illnesses, which means more business and money for them

>>16061186
cooked meat has carcinogens so yes it does cause cancer
you get food poisoning from foods that are poisoned (duh), not from eating raw meat from healthy animals

>>16061575
>cooked meat has carcinogens
no it doesn't

>>16051973
sharks shouldn't exist in the first place, neither should you.

>>16045671
Red meat is based
Look at Mongolians for example

>>16053351
>BEEF

Should be:

>parasites
>vaccines
>hormones
>pesticides
>ichor
>excrement

>>16045671
I wanted to make my own thread but this is perfect, any anon here know if this meat is bad? It's really dark red and a bit gray in the center. Also it smells...not pleasant, although people have told me that blood doesn't smell good and I'm propably smelling that.

>>16062787
if you're cooking it who cares, stop being a gay

>>16062704
hey anon
don't make veganism part of your identity or it's going to be a lot more difficult to let go of it once your health deteriorates and you realise what a scam you fell for (i fell for it too)
have a nice weekend

>>16062787
Yes it is bad. It's low quality product probably from an unhappy cow. Yes, you have to give a cow a good life so when it lives and dies it's meat stays rich by brain power.

>>16045671
It's been proven many times to be bad for you. No meat is actually necessary anymore, we can now sustain ourselves on plants and supplements alone. Humans should only hunt once yearly to remember survival techniques. We can usher in an age of compassion and enlightenment. We need not prey on or parasitize our animal brethren.

>>16063292
>It's been proven many times to be bad for you.
no it hasn't & the research in OP proves that it isn't

>>16063285

It is not part of my identity and I do not do it for utilitarian reasons.

>>16064856
Its part of your identity, you're telegraphing that by how you won't shut up talking about yourself and your cringe eating disorder

>>16065732
>eating disorder

Pardon? Unlike you, I don't eat parasites, vaccines, hormones, ichor, excrement (and it is trivially easy to hear things writhe inside of you and speak through you). Regrettably, a certain amount of pesticides is unavoidable, in no small part due to carnifaggotry.

>>16066254
what does a typical day of eating look like for you?

>>16045719
>Red meat is good for you
The red pill is that only organic grassfed pasture raised red meat is good for you.

There's a massive body of research demonstrating the harmful effects of red meat consumption, but the literature conveniently omits the important detail that the meat is non organic feedlot raised and grain/onions fed and fails to mention that organic grassfed pasture raised red meat is not plagued with carcinogens, mutagens, risk of disease, or any of the other problems that are usually blanket attributed to red meat.

Non-organic red meat is raised in feedlots where the cows live their entire lives knee deep in their own feces and are fed a steady diet of pesticide ridden GMO corn and onions, antibiotics, growth hormones, vaccines and other pharma chemicals that are hazardous to both humans and bovines. Cows are design to eat grass. They are not designed for grains. Feeding on the artificial diets of GMO corn and onions sickens the cow and absolutely destroys the nutrient profile of the meat. But worse still, the sickly dieing cows are pumped full of pharmas to keep them alive just long enough until slaughter, further saturating the meat and organ tissue with toxic chemicals. Eventually the cow is slaughtered and processed at a meat packing facility where more additives and chemicals such as preservatives are added. The end result is a pernicious product that has been exhaustively demonstrated in countless scientific studies to not be safe for human consumption, to cause cancer, diabetes and a host of other maladies and harmful effects. Yet tens or hundreds of millions of end consumers ingest this product daily, usually accompanied with a 30 oz of sparkling corn syrup. Is it any wonder why people look so deformed, obese and diseased these days?

>>16066494
Don't forget that the sickly meat is pumped with water and painted to appear nice in the meat aisle.

>>16066494
>There's a massive body of research demonstrating the harmful effects of red meat consumption
stopped reading right here
they're all association/epidemiological/correlation studies
you can't link me a randomized control trial where they compare a whole foods animal based diet to a whole foods plant based diet because it doesn't exist
saying that red meat is bad for you because your average Joe eats picrel that includes some (processed) red meats is peak jewish tricks
literally any diet is gonna look healthier in comparison

>>16066494
oh no, herd animals are groups closely together!!!
how inhumane!!! they must hate it!!!

>>16066963
>>16067754
wtf, I love eating slop now

>>16067754
Those aren’t fenced, they can free roam.

>>16054580
>you should know that the only reason meat from animal factories contains B12 is that the animals are given B12 supplements.

>>16068031
and yet they choose to stay herded as closely together as they are in the feed lot

>>16068786
I don’t think they get to choose anything since they are born.

>>16068812
they're wild animals

>>16070018
I was talking about the ones that are born in captivity.

>>16070186
you have poor communication skills and low iq

>>16066963
Randomized control trials on long term diets are logistically near impossible. You are being unreasonable.

>>16072278
>You are being unreasonable
maybe I am
would you say the same of these epidemiological studies?

>>16071305
It was self-evident. I didn’t need to tell you which ones had no choice. I believe you owe me an apology.

>>16072666
>you're supposed to understand what i was thinking
infantile solipsism

>>16051871
underneath the bridge tarp has sprung a leak and the animals i fed have all become my pets and i'm living off of grass and the drippings from the ceiling
its ok to eat fish cuz they dont have any feeeeling

>>16048337
>we evolved to eat only one thing.
No. Wrong. Start again.

There are primitive cultures that have spent the entire past >10000 years of their existence eating nothing BUT carbohydrates and they do not have diabetes, heart disease, etc. AND there are cultures that have eaten nothing but meat. Humans are not platonic models of "you can only eat this one thing". The digestive system is highly adaptive and we can not only survive, but thrive on many different dietary models.

>>16073840
>There are primitive cultures that have spent the entire past >10000 years of their existence eating nothing BUT carbohydrates
there is not a culture like this, they all ate some amount of meat
any culture that ate a predominantly carbohydrate based diet did it because of necessity, if they could eat meat everyday they would have

>>16045671
It's not as bad as some on the left claim, it's not as good as some at the right claim.
Just learn to eat in moderation, it's that simple.
Enjoy some grilled beef, eat eggs with bacon, get drunk,just don't make a habbit out of it.

>>16077856
>An infographic depicting the Mediterranean diet food pyramid

>>16073840
>There are primitive cultures that have spent the entire past >10000 years of their existence eating nothing BUT carbohydrates
no there aren't

>>16045671
bottom left is pork

>>16046141
I want to fugg transitional-chan

never trust a scientist on the topic of diet

>>16079837
nu-body"builders" don't eat whole foods
they eat grains, powders, frozen foods, processed foods etc then inject themselves with steroids
they're literal faggots, I don't think I've seen a single bodybuilder on youtube drink raw eggs or eat raw meat like all the old school bodybuilders used to

>>16077876
>you need to eat bread every single day, goy

the absolute fucking insanity of this shit. i grew up thinking this retarded kike pyramid was actually true and healthy

>>16079882
>the absolute fucking insanity of this shit
yup no kidding
it's funny how the bottom part of the pyramid says "regular hydration" too, as if you need to be reminded by these retards when to drink instead of just drinking when you're thirsty
really quite bizarre

>>16079882
>>16079946
Are you guys American? Do you eat sliced white bread? There are other healthier options.
And that section doesn’t just say bread, it says:

>whole grains, bread, beans, nuts

>>16080073
lurk more retard

>>16080075
https://youtu.be/FovIyqov1uA

>>16080092
read this >>16080075

>>16045719
This, vegans would see themselves as greedy and decadent for avoiding meat if they didn't love eating meat, its only because they think meat is the best and most desirable food that they consider themselves to be making a display of willpower by avoiding it

>>16045671
It's not deadly bad but it would be better to replace it with fermented diary and eggs.
>>16045731
Because you mutts eat shitty goyslop and not actual grains or anything, you literally don't have bread in your country.

>>16062340
yes it does you retard

>>16079882
>>16079946
>>16080075
You have NEVER EVER eaten bread you foreskinless amermutt goblins.
>>16080073
They don't even have "white" bread lol, it's not bread what they eat.

>>16080951
>le european bread has so much more health in it!!!
there is no such thing as healthy bread you colossal retard

>>16080951
>my rotten seed meal is better than your rotten seed meal
lmao that you eat rotten seed meal like a farm animal and are proud of it

>>16045671
It's not bad for you; just don't be a glutton. FFS, it's not complicated.

>>16081106
euros are poor, thats why they're obsessed with eating their rotten seed meal goyslop

>>16054580
>obesity
Here is America during peak read meat consumption. Notice anything?

>>16083609
not only is everyone healthy, but there are no shitskins in sight

>>16045671
Circumcising cultures are incapable of honesty or reflection (as to avoid the direct awareness of their circumcised state) and therefore are incapable of self correction. They are algae blooms doomed to circle the drain before fizzling out in their own waste.

>>16083609
>Notice anything?
no negroes, no spics, no jews

>>16054580
>Most vegans supplement daily
>such as milk
So they're vegans for 95% of the day?

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>>16085787
https://youtu.be/YgSPaXgAdzE

>>16045671
Not eating red meat drastically lowers your IQ. Humans are hypercarnivores, our brains need the energy and nutrients only meat can provide. We need the red meat amino acid profiles in particular.

All else is cope.

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>>16086354

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0923753419374903

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4100964/

Two studies claiming a 20% increase in lung cancer due to consumption of red meat

tell me anons why are they wrong? I'm not baiting I've read the studies and they seem to just make observations while controlling for smoking and bmi

how can this be? From a common sense perspective it's retarded but why is there a significant difference in the rates?

my government cites this research btw so don't just go
muh asian names it's invalid
or muh observational studies don't prove shit
where does it fail specifically
I agree that it's bogus but only from a common sense perspective

>>16086398

>>16079946

Carnifaggots do seem to be weirdly averse to drinking water. It's probably the parasites in their brains.

>>16066494
>>16066963

"Modern" meat is only distinguished from "trad" meat by being marginally less disgusting and subhuman. The amount of parasites, excreta, and pathogens is generally lower, but this is offset by the amount of "chemicals", naturally, not to mention the hygienic catastrophe of the abomination of the food service industry (most of which is meat-based, of course, and only sustained by carnifaggotry).

>>16086398
>Two studies claiming a 20% increase in lung cancer due to consumption of red meat
this is how your observational studies are conducted:

Group A: The Standard American Joe
>eats goyslop processed foods (picrel*)
>drinks
>smokes

versus

Group B: The Health Conscious Bugman
>eats fresh whole foods
>drinks rarely if ever
>doesn't smoke

wow, group b has less lung cancer? it must be the red meat! that's science y'all!

even if they account for differences in smoking or drinking I guarantee you every single one lumps processed meats and red meats together like they're the same - they're not
this is why people who go on a (whole foods) vegan diets feel so much better, it's not because what they're eating now is healthy in and of itself, it's because they no longer eat a cancerous standard american diet - ironically a lot of them are lured back by fake meats and other processed junk though

find me a study that compares a fresh whole foods meat diet to a fresh whole foods vegan diet, that's the only interesting and fair comparison to be made
*if you eat like picrel you are considered a red meat eater even though 80% of what's in that meal is vegan, it should be called what it is - a plant based meal

>>16086860
It's funny that you say that. The government review did not find an increase in lung cancer for processed red meat intake, or for red meat intake. Only for total red meat intake. To me that feels absurd since at least one of the two must be able to reproduce those correlations.
Still though my current main argument against it was that it was self reported. But they control for bmi and for smoking.
I guess you're right that they're ignoring confounding factor such as drinking. Still though a 20% increase is significant.

I'll look for such a study though I think it probably doesn't exist.

>>16086883
>Still though my current main argument against it was that it was self reported.
yes, this is typical as well
the questionnaires they would ask people to fill out will have questions like
>how many eggs have you eaten in the past year?
>how much red meat have you eaten in the past month?
people can barely remember what they ate 2-3 days ago and now they expect them to accurately estimate how much of each foods they've had in the past month or year? and these studies are what you can often see reported in the news when they talk about red meat intake etc
ridiculous

>>16086883
humans have evolved for millions of years eating red meat, there is nothing unhealthy about it, avoiding meat is whats unhealthy

>>16087667
I haven't denied that or even attempted to support a vegan lifestyle. But I'd rather you read the papers I linked and respond with the methodological flaws. There's very little use with arguments of tradition because you'll just be laughed at by (((s*yentists))) who blindly accept government reviews.
>>16086954
Thanks, you've confirmed what I thought mostly. These studies are mostly bogus then from what I gather, both pro-vegan as well as pro-meat. I think the Minnesota Coronary Experiment are a little more trustworthy since they were done on mental patients so they could be more easily kept on a strict diet.

Kind of confusing results
>There was a 22% higher risk of death for each 30 mg/dL reduction in serum cholesterol
And
>The intervention group had significant reduction in serum cholesterol compared with controls (mean change from baseline −13.8% v −1.0%)
So the logical conclusion here would be that switching from saturated fat to vegetable oil would cause your serum cholesterol to drop, which would raise your risk of death. But perhaps that connection wasn't statistically significant.
Do you've got any thoughts on this?
Here's the link
>https://www.bmj.com/content/353/bmj.i1246

>>16087712
ITT fatties

>>16087667
People who say you shouldn't eat meat on the basis of anything scientific are people who think evolution is fake, they don't believe in science themselves.

>>16088774
>dumb apes start eating meat
>evolve into intelligent humans
>intelligent humans realise that they don’t need it
What am I missing here?

https://youtu.be/d2fjyCKiTrQ

bump

https://youtu.be/QKHybQdzsik

>Declawing of crabs is the process whereby one or both claws of a crab are manually detached before the return of the live crab to the water, as practiced in the fishing industry worldwide. Crabs commonly have the ability to regenerate lost limbs after a period of time, and thus declawing is viewed as a potentially more sustainable method of fishing.

>>16090005
>Starfish are edible and generally safe to eat.

https://youtu.be/U1U5sSAYyMs

>>16045671
Red meat is okay to eat and can be "good" for you depending on what nutrition you need. But we should strive for balanced diets. Not too much of one thing. Don't jump on the retard red meat only diet.

>>16086883
>20% increase is significant
Is it? Is it really? Don't know what the default percent is, but if it goes from 0.5% to 0.6% then it really means fuck all

>>16090005
This doesn't kill the crab.

>>16045671
Its a psyop, they started it in the 1970s

>>16088774
>>16088782
I have a theory. I believe that humans have two choices they can make. They can either continue eating meat and remain as being aggressive predators or they can convert to vegetarianism, lose their canine teeth and become more docile.
Humans are evolving right now, you know. We are intelligent enough to decide what happens next.

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>>16092163
>eating meat extends human life expectancy
there you go, theres the life extension drug you've been looking for

>>16093317
>noooooo i want a magic soiyence pill or something!!!
>i don't want to just eat a healthy diet and live longer that way
>it has to be something that appeals to the trannyhumanist fantasies i was brainwashed with by hollywood

>>16048337
There are tribes in Papua New Guinea that eat like 90%+ carbs from yams I believe. It wouldn’t say it’s carbs necessarily but just highly processed food. Use as close to natural ingredients as you can, and cook as much as humanly possible yourself and you’ll be doing better than most of the general population. Also avoid seed oils.

>>16054580
I found the Jew

>>16072278
OK, let's just keep pretending these nonsense studies mean something. That's totally reasonable. Something is better than nothing, right???

>>16092163
good news

>>16095004
How do sneed oils cause obesity like that?