/sci/ - Science & Math

The European alphabet was easier to print, which made the Gutenberg revolution possible.
Christianity turned out to be less of an obstacle to technology than conservative Confucianism.

The rest is coincidence.

/thread

>>16043750

>>16043750
the southern hemisphere is geographically much more harsh on human life than the northern hemisphere. It's harder to grow crops and live, it's literally hardmode.

Shoutout to the temperate conifer forests. OP as fuck, carried the shit out of humanity.

>>16043750
Europe and MENA is tutorial mode.

>>16043750
intelligence, probably

>>16043750
so we're just going to forget the middle East and china then?

>>16043750
some say the scientific method comes from persia

>>16044192
Scientific method + Free market economy

>>16043750
Maybe because of a climatic situation.

>>16043750
European genetics are superior to African's for the task of building civilization.
Their genetics are superior because Europe's natural environment selects for civilization building genetics better than Africa.

Neither race/ethnic group can be blamed for this situation, it just is. Also, complex civilization destroys those natural selection pressures that increase civilization building traits in the population, so we have dysgenics currently. Watch Ed Dutton.

>>16043794
It's not that it's more harsh, it just doesn't select for traits like long term planning, impulse control etc.
If the environment has large unpredictable swings, e.g. high chance you might randomly die tomorrow, it's not worth the bother trying to innovate farming, it makes more sense being impulsive and eating all the food you have right now.

>>16043927
>other parts of the world, like the African continent?

>>16043750
Several crucial factors.
>Christian monks believing that through better understanding of the world they could come to better understand God
>decreasing stranglehold of nobles and aristocrats with increasing freedoms and markets for the common man
>increasingly widespread literacy allowing more and more people to gain more knowledge
>movement away from traditional collectivist thought and towards individualism
There had been plenty of times throughout history with certain individuals creating proto-scientific systems, but it was only Europe's unique cultural combination of those aforementioned factors that allowed scientific thought as a culture to be fostered and take hold.

>>16043750
anything but genetics

>>16043927
china was eating dirt off of dirt even in the late 1980s. they were not a technological powerhouse before, now, nor will they ever be

the fantastical tales of ancient china that specifically are design to appeal to western values appear to be crafted by (((Sidney Rittenberg))) who somehow tapewormed his way into Mao Zegong's inner sanctum, and needed to make find a way to impress the chinks by lying to europe and america.

>>16043750
I'm not allowed to say

>>16043750
If it WAS like this then how come it did get wiped out? Why do they always draw it as this

>>16043750
The Lisbon Earthquake and the reaction to it. This spurred both secular and theological debate and maturity. In most places, even in Europe for much of its history, the reaction to natural disaster was "God was angry", but the Lisbon earthquake happened on a religious festival and there was nothing particularly immoral about Portugal at the time. The king sent out surveys to assess the damage that included when the earthquake happened, and from this we learned that the earthquake affected different people at different time in a ring that radiated outwards. Big discovery. On the theology side, a big interest in the problem of evil and the theodicy genre resulted. Everyone benefited.

If the Lisbon earthquake hadn't have happened, we would be living in a very different world right now. It wasn't the only reason for the scientific revolution, but it was pretty much the catalyst for it.

>>16043794
>the southern hemisphere is geographically much more harsh on human life than the northern hemisphere
60% of africa is lush, green, arable lands, what the fuck are you talking about

>>16043750
Our father Yakub sabotaged the black race

>>16043758
>The European alphabet was easier to print,
So Arabic science in the 11th cent faded away because of this?
>>16043794
>the southern hemisphere is geographically much more harsh on human life than the northern hemisphere. It's harder to grow crops and live,
>>16044933
>60% of africa is lush, green, arable lands,
yes


The scots do well becasue of the harsh environment, as did the askenNazi jews.
Humans flourish when pressed.
Now, in a lush african forest or grassland, the food grows on trees or you shoot an antelope.
and the temperature is warm all the time, so no need to innovate there.

>>16045030
>Humans flourish when pressed.
And despite being pressed since the dawn of time the african negro never sought to achieve anything greater

IQ. It’s mostly hereditary so high IQs develop in certain populations but not in others.

>>16043750
it was a fluke, and probably a mistake

>>16045085
>And despite being pressed since the dawn of time the african negro
No, they live in a tropical area.
Plenty of food growing wildly, and plenty of game animals to hunt for food, so hunter gather way of life lasted much longer there.
As to , Arabs and Norther Africa: decline of science and academic inquiry in the Islamic countries was due to "the gradual fragmentation of the Abbasid empire and the indifference shown by weaker rulers toward science"

Some blamed the Mongol attack on Baghdad (1258 CE), which destroyed universities and killed many scholars. Many blamed colonialism as another significant reason.

But the main reason was Islam itsself.

The catholic church tried to kill scientific progress, Like with Galileo, but the church failed, because Europe was more fragmented and Martin luther.

the Muslim theologians’ opposition to studying philosophy and science was more powerful in Islamic nations, and they were concerned that it would weaken the faith.
The decline of the pursuit of knowledge started in the 11th century. By the 15th century, no university in the Muslim world was teaching science and philosophy and published very little scientific work.


So it was stifled.
To see what might have happened in europe if the Reformation had not occurred, See:

Pavane, an alternative history science fiction novel by British writer Keith Roberts,published in 1968.
Set in Dorset, England, it depicts a 20th century in which the Catholic Church still has supremacy; in its timeline, Protestantism was destroyed during wars that resulted from the aftermath of the assassination of Queen Elizabeth in 1588.

>>16045549
North African, Mid East are dry, so no endemic
african tropical diseases to stifle progress.

>>16045088
meh, I bet the real differentiator is how prone a primitive culture is to kill 'the weird guy'.
like imagine if intelligence was a random mutation that occurs with a certain frequency in all populations - tribes where mbasa beats nerds to death have no chance of nerd-accumulation and thus can not come up with certain ideas like written language, agriculture or trade.

>>16045582
Albino bones are highly prized by sorcerers in africa.

"Mwigulu, now 14, was just 10 years old and living in a rural village when his arm was brutally cut off.

“One day we were coming from school,” he said through a translator. “We saw two people who were walking ahead of us. … One covered my face. And the other one starting cutting me. He cut the first time and he missed … He cut the second time and this time succeeded. Then he took my arm and ran away with it.”"

>>16044882
I didn't know. Thank you for sharing this, anon.

>>16045085
>the african negro never sought to achieve anything greater
go back to /pol/. the fact that african countries change 'dictator for life' every 2 month proves you wrong, you racist prick.
niggers might be dumb, but they do have ambitions.

>>16045549
>To see what might have happened in europe if the Reformation had not occurred, See:
>Pavane, an alternative history science fiction novel by British writer Keith Roberts,published in 1968.
do you base all your believes on fantasy books?

>>16044882
>The Lisbon Earthquake
Very interesting.
You have piqued my curiosity, which is unusual for this shill site.
But you will rue the day jf you have misled me
Fool me once your the fool, fool me twice and I'm the psychopathic angry fool.

>>16046208
>religious
This was 1755 and it may be a curious coincidence that the industrial revolution started around this time. The age of enlightenment and scientific experimentation began 100 yrs before this, so ¯\_(ツ)_/

>>16045549
>The catholic church tried to kill scientific progress
Galileo's entire career was funded exclusively by the church. So was Copernicus's. Galileo was only prosecuted because he was too much of a sperg to wait for higher powers in the church to review his findings before proclaiming them the one and only truth.
And as it turned out Galileo was completely wrong about his assertions with respect to where "the center of the universe" is. Geocentrism and heliocentrism are just the same phenomenon explained via two different coordinate systems

>>16046216
The industrial revolution was related but separate. The cause of the industrial revolution was specifically the textile industry.

It's always the environment

>>16046404
Not to mention religions writers and artists were enamored with the idea of heliocentrism once it got going, and you can see its influence in works like the Divine Comedy.

>>16045582 (you)
People who go through life presuming they're some sort of unique special snowflake genius mostly deserve to be killed. Having those kinds of delusions of grandiosity is a primary characteristic of narcissistic personality disorder

>>16047917
kill yourself

>>16043750
Because all the brainy boys realized africa was gay and left.

>>16043750
>Why did the scientific revolution happen in Europe
because the printing press was invented in western Europe in Germany and at the same time Europeans used it's slight advantage in arms technology and navigation to plunder everything valuable from Africa, Asia and America.

>>16044933
No, most of those green are tropica rainforest, that have very poor soils, or savana shrubland that also has poor soil plus problems with draught
Very little of that green area is actually proper for large scale agriculture without the use of modern tech and management techniques

>>16045549
>Plenty of food growing wildly, and plenty of game animals to hunt for food
You mean just like everywhere else on the planet?

>>16048621

>>16044938
European racial superiority

>>16043750
If it is not obvious why then you are a moron. Is simple as that.

>>16045549
TL;DR, blacks are inferior

>>16043758
Melanin production is pleiotropic. They are less intelligent, despite reddit bots and jews whining.

>>16043758
>>16043794
>>16043819
These are literally jews alerted by a JIDF app of the goyim being racist

>>16043758
>Confucianism is a roadblock to technological progress
You dont know anything about Confucianism do you anon?

>>16043750
>the scientific revolution happen
not such a thing happened

>>16049660
hopefully they eventually declare war on foreign homosexuals too

>>16043750
>the African continent

It is filled with Africans.
When just a few hundred thousand Europeans where on the continent, it was thriving. Removed those Europeans and the continent is collapsing back to the natural state of African only place.

>>16052366
Confucianism is a roadblock to technological progress.
The scientific method requires the foundation of Christianity to function

>>16055241
The foundation of Christianity is the faustian mind which is a by-product of the distinct evolution of the European.

>>16043758
Gee, I guess the centuries of metallurgical expertise with which the printing press was mass manufactured came out of nowhere. Just a coincidence. Stupid fuck.

>>16043750
i think about it like fortnite. euros hot dropped tilted and got gold scars and tacs. asians went to a random named location and got blues and purples. everybody else landed wherever and got a grey pistol.

>>16043750
diet / environment

>>16045549
why and how do you know all of this off the top of your head

So what is the explanation for the Ishango bone then?

>>16043750
China got close to industrialising twice, in the 1400s and 1600s, revolving around the coal deposits of manchuria.
I think there were a few other times pre 1000 but i dont remember much about them.
But political bs prevented it from happening. Just as tech x that needed coal was invented, some political war/change happened that made accessing it impossible(or even considering it as a possibility).

Europe also missed opportunities to industrialise earlier, on multiple occasions. Especially under rome.

what >>16043758 said is incorrect.
Confucianism was indirectly related, just as christianity. Both were indirect obstacles.

>tldr
scientific revolution/industrialisation was bound to happen eventually, its a matter of time once a civilisation is established(and isnt wiped out)

no real technological advancement occurred in earth until we entered the last glacial period, which we are still in. Basically, freezing our asses off forced us to invent things and eventually industrialize.

If you lived in Africa at that time, what would be the impetus to do any of that? No matter what happens you will never freeze.

>>16045582
Inteligence is not random mutation, mostly.
All genes from IQ 105-120 are common in the population, not just random mutation shit.
There frequencies of intelectual population based on genetic combinations, and that is not pure randomness, natural selection itself can generate that sort of frequencies.

>>16043794
>the southern hemisphere is geographically much more harsh
If it was that harsh , then they should have developed intelligence and civilization But we know very well that they doesn't.

>>16043758
>The European alphabet was easier to print, which made the Gutenberg revolution possible.
Official Chinese state history claims to have invented the printing press 300 years before Europe did.

>Another example is the invention of the printing press by the Germans in the XV century, 1440 being the earliest estimation. There is nothing odd about this invention being made in Europe around that time – after all, all European languages use phonetic alphabets. However, consensual history is trying to convince us that somebody invented printing molds in China 300 years before, in the XI century – for tens of thousands of hieroglyphs, no less. The invention had promptly been forgotten, serving no other purpose than going down in history. The more plausible version is that a European (possibly Dutch) book about the invention of the printing press in Germany became translated into Chinese around the XVII century and became part of Chinese history. One must also recollect the alleged invention of the logarithms in China 500 years before they were invented in the Netherlands. The comparison of two publications, European and Chinese, demonstrates that a misprint from Napier’s table of natural logarithms (first published in 1620) was repeated in a Chinese book that is presumed to be 500 years older. Is that the natural way of making history, one wonders?

>>16058346
The Great Wall of China was built by whites who were trying to keep chinks contained in the Chinese chinkzone and out of Russia, later on the chinks claimed they built it

>>16048272
triggered

>>16056243
anime is for pedophiles

>>16055241
Oh that's interesting. I was treating Confucianism and Daoism as the same thing.

>>16061973
osaka is cool tho not hot. shes not even a child either shes like 18 when the show finishes, did u even watch it?

>>16062150
lmao this dumb faggot collects CP and brags about it

>>16063695
nigga ur nuts

>>16063736

>>16061973
...

>>16043750
it's complicated, but here are a few factors that definitely contributed:
>weather is cold enough that you can't just grow or forage year round, you have to store part of the harvest to make it through the winter
>weather isn't so cold that you end up dependent entirely on hunting & fishing with agriculture being non-viable
>europe's geography is fragmented enough to make political unification difficult, but nations are still accessible enough to each other for trade to thrive
>europeans have been the least inbred people in the world for a while, for reasons that aren't totally clear (the catholic church imposed an unusually strict ban on cousin marriage, but some sources suggest nw euros were already comparatively unlikely to marry close relatives)

>>16065304
Its because whites are genetically superior

>>16063736
you jack off to child pornography

Because 99.9% of european technological developments were initially for the military and go into wars with other europeans.

Look how much wars europe had in the last 800 years.

>>16046404
Yeah, but then we can’t bash Catholics for being anti-scientific.
At least I still see people claiming Catholics tried to stop printing of bibles.

>>16065675
that just kicks the question up a level: how did that genetic superiority develop? the traits selected for by the european environment must have been different. what i said about climate is relevant there, we've been farming long enough for it to have significant impact on our genes. the lack of inbreeding is also relevant.

>>16046404
>Geocentrism and heliocentrism are just the same phenomenon explained via two different coordinate systems
People who don't have at least an undergrad degree in astronomy will never understand that, instead they'll just repeat the bigoted, hateful anti-Christian propaganda they've seen in goyslop school and on goyslop TV about Galileo being "le oppressed soience genius who was persecuted by le evil church" which was the same church that funded Galileo's lifetime in academia and made him end up retiring as an extremely wealthy man.

Necessity is the mother of invention.

>>16043750
It actually happened in all black countries first. Then the white people came and stole it all, took credit for it, and killed everyone who spoke out about it.

T. Former Kang

>>16067462
Africa had at least a 200,000 year headstart, and should have reached a level of civilisation way beyond what we have today, and therefore have resisted Arab slave traders and later colonization. Yet that didn't happen. You are still left with the explanation of why that is so.

>>16066967
God willed it

>>16067462
Sorry about that

>>16043758
>/threading your own post
Cringe.
You're right though. Easy dissemination of knowledge among a larger part of the population. Africa had not invented writing then.

>>16043750
It's a mystery!!!

It could be literally just due to random chance of who was born where. It's not like we can resimulate Earth to see what the most likely scenario was. Therefore racism cannot be justified from this fact.

>>16045549
WE WUZ KANGZ and shit

>>16043750
>Why did the scientific revolution happen in Europe instead of other parts of the world, like the African continent?

hmmmm.... no idea?
What could be necessary for a scientific revolution?

>>16069732

>>16043758
>The European alphabet was easier to print, which made the Gutenberg revolution possible
I too have thought this. It's a pretty remarkable coincidence.

>>16069732
>Therefore racism cannot be justified from this fact.

>>16071018
Racism is the one true ideology

>>16071699
some africans are still fairly intelligent regardless those averages

>>16073056
lol

>>16058346
>Official Chinese state history claims to have invented the printing press 300 years before Europe did.
So what the fuck happened.
Why didn't they have a printing revolution?

>>16058346
>a misprint from Napier’s table of natural logarithms (first published in 1620) was repeated in a Chinese book that is presumed to be 500 years older. Is that the natural way of making history, one wonders?
>presumed
claimed

Because they’re niggers
/thread

>>16044683
>Christian monks believing that through better understanding of the world they could come to better understand God
Absolutely not an exclusive trait of christian monks

>decreasing stranglehold of nobles and aristocrats with increasing freedoms and markets for the common man
>increasingly widespread literacy allowing more and more people to gain more knowledge
Both of these things happened way AFTER the scientific revolution. In fact, until then, Europe was way behind many other nations in both freedom and literacy rates

>>16073056
>78% have an STD
grim

maybe they should not have unprotected sex with 200 men in 1 night

>>16079094
>Absolutely not an exclusive trait of christian monks
wrong

>>16079094
>muh freedum!!!
NPC regurgitating propaganda

>>16048638
That's not an answer, just seething.

>>16043794
>muh crops
the modern brainwash

>>16043750
Happened in america and asia

>>16079136
stop being so homophobic
its dey culcha

>>16079136
maybe they should stop getting free medical care for their diseases

>>16069837
>nigeria 84 iq
what makes them so much smarter than the rest of africa?

>>16084426
Probably the Igbo and maybe the Yoruba.

>>16084426
Nairaland has excellent memes

>>16045030
>So Arabic science in the 11th cent faded away because of this?
I don't agree with that anon but a big reason the Muslim world censored the use of the printing press (with notable exceptions given to Jewish communities) is because early printing presses didn't print the Arabo-Persian script that well. That and Big Calligraphy(tm) lobbied against it since calligraphers were big time artisans in the Muslim world.

>>16069837
Clearly shows higher IQ doesn't necessarily equal a better society, since Botswana is lower than the DRC and supposedly on a similar level to Somalia (although some part of Somalia are less chaotic than others).

>>16085908
you've never been to any of those places, all you know about them is what you've read in the jewish press, which only produces falsehoods and manipulative lies

>>16086932
Blowhards like to trust the media because doing so allows them to pompously pontificate on topics they're now knowledgeable in simply by repeating the lies they saw in the media

>>16085895
I think religious study is also a big capture of a society's excess intelligence. If all the smartest are funneled into creating various reading of religious dogma they have no time for other stuff. Early church history was full of it and the muslims could never really get out of it.

>>16086932
Have you been to any of those places then?

>>16087834
so you've never even been to those places, but you consider yourself an expert on them because of some lies you saw on tv.

>>16043750
This is thanks to the Aryan spiritual inner flame, transmitted through the blood.

>>16088822
Low IQs can literally be brainwashed into believing anything via TV or other media because they lack self awareness

>>16058202
There's much more evidence supporting the idea that all those places that were "close to industrialization" were inevitably going to fail than there is evidence supporting the idea that industrialization was inevitable.

>>16089989
the fact that so many people believe the holocaust is real conclusively proves what you're saying

>>16043758
this, amazing work there.

>>16043750
Winter as an evolutionary pressure to lower time preference (need to stockpile food and build shelter to survive). Lower time preference and investment in the future is expressed in the study of Science. If you have high time preference, why would you bother studying anything at all? The payoff is beyond your lifetime.
Winter also selects for cooperative strategies (high trust civilization), which compound into the future as well. Notice how all peoples of the global south are loud, obnoxious, dirty, fat & undeducated (ie, not caring for your neighbour).

>>16044850
>invents paper
>invents compass
>invents gunpowder
>invents print, including movable type
>invents cannon
>invents rocket
>invents paper money
>invents differential gearing
>all well before industrial revolution
>proceeds to get shit on by illiterate retard on 4chan because of a famine hundreds of years after this

checks out

>>16044933
>sub saharan africa is great farmland guys!!!

Have you considered reading a book?

>>16046404
>Geocentrism and heliocentrism are just the same phenomenon explained via two different coordinate systems

No. They are explanations of two entirely different orbital systems. While neither are true, heliocentrism is far more accurate because the planets do infact orbit the sun, and the sun does not infact orbit the earth.

I knew this at age 2 thanks to the mobile over my bed.

>>16043794
Sub-Saharan Africa still has entered the iron age before getting busted by outside powers.

>>16084426
>have an IQ of 84
>be the brainiacs of your continent

>>16058346
>Official Chinese state history claims to have invented the printing press 300 years before Europe did.
That's just wood printing, anon. Nothing like gutenberg's printing Press.

>>16069837
That Iq chart is fake

>>16093708
>le replication crisis soiyence articles
fake and gay

>>16069837
>sierra leone
>highest iq in all of africa
how do they do it?

>>16093708
>That Iq chart is fake

Refute this!

>>16092793
Galileo has no explanation for why planets orbited the Sun or the Earth. The relative masses of bodies in the Solar system were unknown at the time.
>the planets do infact orbit the sun
Wrong, everything orbits the common center of mass, even the Sun. Did you even take physics in high school?

>>16096863
Negro kids used to learn how to read and write back when whites were in charge of South Africa

>>16097392
High school physics doesn't talk about barycenters, or gravity for that matter. That's college level now. Maybe even Masters degree level.

>>16098738

Liberal progressives would rather have an under qualified Black teacher than a more qualified White teacher, teaching Black children.... they need the 'representation' for their 'sense of self-worth'

INSANE!!

>>16099174
Do you believe there's a difference between blacks and whites in a teaching role?

>>16099178
>Do you believe there's a difference between blacks and whites in a teaching role?

Not at all... I said qualified.... I am stating that people are chosen because of race and gender and NOT by qualifications and the people that do this MOST are liberal progressives

>>16043758
>>16043794
>t.EL JUDIO

>>16052048

tell it to the black kang that is abt to impregnate your gf, nerd

>>16044850

literally everyone in this photo is younger than (you) and smarter

>>16096863
no 9yo needs to read its fuking bullshat
they need to have fun and enjoy being kids
you fuking nerd

>>16069837
> Purely socio-economic factors

>>16044227
... that had about 200,000 year head start?

>>16055241
>The scientific method requires the foundation of Christianity to function
Pretty much this. The scientific revolution happened with a European worldview as ideological background, i.e. Christianity + greco-roman philosophy. That was a very different intellectual environment than whatever China had. China was busy running a complex state not trying to discover the secrets of the cosmos. Science belongs to the Faustian man, to the White, Christian man, and with his demise, science, the Promethean fire, is slowly dying too.

>>16044933
Being green doesn't equal being fertile, you absolute idiot. The Amazon is the greatest example of that, the soil there is absolute shit because once you break the "inner cycle" the place has naturally it all falls apart.
The most fertile soil on the planet is found on steppes like Ukraine and part of Argentina. If I'm not mistaken there's also some of it in the US around Iowa.

>>16100137
>>16055800
Only correct responses in the thread.