/sci/ - Science & Math

>>16030659
The problem of individuals and organizations within academic science having agendas and intellectual/ideological conflicts of interest is not a new one. It's also not one that really is a huge problem so long as you have a culture which allows for peer review and the exchange of criticism.

Once you have ideas and organizations that are sacred, that's when it becomes an issue. In fact, without people having particular beliefs they'd like to see reflected in research (political or esoterica relative to their niche sub-field), a majority of the research that gets done today probably wouldn't happen. Major breakthroughs occur when people who have expertise in one sub-discipline attempt to apply it to other disciplines, and it's not really a problem when they do this because it isn't erasing the contributions of people who look at the problem differently.

>>16030678
Do you mean peer review in the general sense or as in the current peer review system we have now that gatekeeps research?

>>16030659
>Scott Adams says
and I should care because...?

>>16030659
Adam Scott is a retarded fuck.
soft sciences (sociology, medicines...) aren't trustworthy and some are outright fraudulent but many hard sciences are still alive and well (eg. mathematics, fields of physics that are not astrophysics, chemistry, maybe some fields of biology...)

>>16030693
>he thinks his precious STEM is safe
of course goy, we'll be sure to stop our communist revolution right before it affects YOUR field, don't worry about t, heheheh

>>16030693
>Adam Scott is a retarded fuck.
but you're saying that he is correct in most cases

>>16030659
>Draws a bunch of basic conclusions 10 to 50 years too late and then glorifies some fed asset doing makeshift controlled opposition
Peak midwit

>>16030659
>>16030678
I've co-authored 4 papers in organic chemistry and can tell you that I found my "research" extremely unreliable
I was tasked with the synthesis of the intermittent compounds (basically 90% of supporting info)
So there I am, doing screening of different reactant ratios and trying out potential catalysts, purification, product identification and conversion efficiency, and all those processes, where I might have made a mistake of e.x. overheating the reaction mixture of simply leaving it too long (longer as stated in the paper) were conducted only ONCE per paper and to little surprise, there were huge discrepancies between RMEs (like 25 vs 50%) and purities of the same compounds between different papers
No one cared, not my colleagues, not the lead, not the reviewers
When I took up the issue I was shut down and told that I shouldn't waste time and resources redoing those reactions to get any sense of reproducibility, publish or perish mentality
So I assume such lack of reliability with any paper I read, which really shouldn't be the case

>>16030659
It says "fake science." My take on your situation is that you're a homo who can't read

So you were reading my mind

>>16030707
>assistant professor
>mathematics education
>vanderbilt university
>peabody college
wow yeah i'm really scared of whatever this is

>>16030894
good goyim, yessss....

>>16030723
>publish or perish mentality
redoing the experiment would allow you to publish it again, it would be a more efficient way to get another publication. its not the "publish or perish mentality" thats to blame, its that scientists just hate the idea of being held responsible for lies

>>16031082
>The Washington STEM organization
>its Year 2019 annual summet.
You're a retard.

>>16031143
>its not the "publish or perish mentality" thats to blame
I'd still argue that it is, the reasoning behind not endorsing self-reproducibility of results being that you should spend your time working on the next publications

>>16031219
What are you trying to say?

>>16030659
>Community Notes: 90% of media, government, and private industry is owned by jews
hmmmm what does it mean scientifically?

>>16031239
Exactly what I said. What are you trying to say and why can't you just say it like a normal person?

>>16031242
I am saying the communist revolution is not going to stop when it comes to STEM, it's going to fag up your field just like it has every other area of study.

>>16030659
Poor clot adams can't find the inextricable link to central banking.

>>16031248
So? How does that matter unless you're a retard who's obsessed with terminally-online politics?

>>16031264
Top bankers are Jews, Jews aren't top bankers.

>scott adams
>a cartoonist
thread closed

>>16031265
Because it's happening offline.

>>16031269
It happens offline when 59 year old uncle Charlie won’t shut up over Thanksgiving dinner about what he read on Facebook.

>>16031273
No, those pictures clearly show that it's happening in universities.

>>16031277
Right. University. A place you are so concerned about, yet have never been to.

>>16031283
I actually graduated a decade ago, and now I have to deal with all this communist niggerfaggotry at work instead, because it turns out you act like just as much of a niggerfaggot in the real world as you do online.

>>16030659
Yeah, science is now filtered through a progressive worldview in mind, simple as

>>16030693
That's the thing, biology is a real science but it can and does get weaponized for political reasons. For example, the same scientists who first agreed that covid was a lab leak suddenly changed their opinions (after receiving a grant from Faucci) and claimed it was a crazy conspiracy theory. It is called corruption.

>>16031269
In "peabody college"? In a forum for "math educators"? Why should I give a single fuck about that

>>16030659
Yeah, he's describing a sequence of escalating double-binds. However it isn't science-the-method that's untrustworthy, but Science-the-institution.

>>16030894
Not him but let me just say you are stupid so everyone knows not to waste time reading your posts iTT. tks

>>16030659
btw I said all of this a decade before he did, just for the record

>>16031311
You do care about it, that's why you support it.

>>16031325

>>16030659
this is political bait

>>16031320
You literally swallow dog sperm on your OF, so fuck off retard.

>>16031330
>>16031240
>>16031264
>thread about discussing reality
>retards start brining up dajooz
This thread is no longer of value.

>>16031325
I don't give af about retards, including you.

>>16031337
>REEEEEEEEEE

>>16031344
>t. swallows dog sperm
kek

>>16030659
lol
that was true long before trump

>I don't give af about retards, including you.

>>16031341
Much like the US dollar.

>>16031350
true but never highlighted so bleakly

>Scott Adams says that science is no longer trustworthy
Scott Adams has is as well qualified to talk about science as Britney Spears is to talk about space travel. Not that this means much to a creationist flat-earth /pol/tard.

>>16031392
indeed, at least it activated some neurons I guess

>>16031413
No, I doubt it. I'd bet that no brain cells were activated by this retardation >>16031082

>>16030659
>>16030682
The dilbert guy is very smart

>>16031397
>being this obsessed with /pol/

>>16030659
Scott is a midwit who uses his cartoonist fame to take credit for realizations that occur to him later than they occur to half the adult world.

>>16030659
Science is a process of aquiring knowledge, it will never be over. What is definitely over is Scott Adams, no doubt.

>>16031732
omg what an incredibly witty zinger, did you use both of your IQ points to come up with that one?

Pretty sure science is still trustworthy, I read a meta study of over 100 papers which said they're all true.
I recommend attending a chemistry lab at your local uni or reading a few verses from a physics textbook, that usually helps restore my faith in the science

>>16032642
lol

>>16030659

Reductionism was born in a Lodge and I suspect it was to conceal not only the hermetic origins of science but also the Tower of Babel social program to reverse engineer antediluvian myths.

>>16031436
Obviously not if his magnum opus is dilbert.

>>16034320
>dilbert triggers me

>>16034320
Dilbert is good. You're only jealous of Clott Adams because you're too low IQ to get rich by drawing cartoons. You've never developed a single good meme of your own, but Clott's memes live eternally in the heads of his many fans as well as his detractors, such as yourself

>>16034840

>>16030693
>>16030713
>>16031436
He used to be, but something has been wrong with him recently, I'd bet he will turn out to have sone brain disorder.
>>16034320
>>16034840
>>16035979
It should worry you; the main reason why it is popular is the overwhelming number of people who have a mentally retarded person as their boss.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Dsn7y8uf9s

>>16031436
He was never smart. In fact, his IQ is likely under 110

>>16030682
How about you read what it says instead of who said it?

>>16037951
The sheer amount of ad hom in this thread is interesting.

>>16037955
Dilbert cartoons are extremely triggering to people who are easily triggered

>>16030659
>yeah sociology is pretty retarded i think i can just understand everything as the battle between good and evil as symbolized by whatever pop culture happened to cross my vision that morning

>>16036394
This aspect of dilbert is fridge horror, boomers thought the best way to deal with corporate hierarchical retardation was to make self deprecating jokes about it. In many ways the progenitor of the self hating-jaks

>>16037410
He is way smarter than you

>>16030659
bump

>>16039392
More like they thought if they rubbed middle management's face in their own shit for long enough they'd change their ways. Unfortunately, the whole system is built to fail on purpose.

>>16041142
>the whole system is built to give unnecessary make-work jobs to unproductive losers with university degrees in order to keep their children going to college for brainwashing

>>16031283
Please kill yourself as quickly as you can you are mentally handicapped and unfit to be on this board.

>>16031330
>Post retard shit on /diy/
>Banned for off topic
>cry
consider going back

>>16031325
bird of a feather flock together
ugly ppl end up associating with each other because nobody else will

>>16035979
dilberald

>>16030659
Scott Adams is a boomer faggot

>>16030659
Clotty Adams

>>16030659
> Bla Bla Bla
The problem is leftism.
The subhuman-degenerate coalition (niggers, kikes, fags, trannies etc) is the Fuel.
Slaughter the coalition and leftism will END

>>16030659
The replication crisis shows he is right. The Altzheimer scandal where they even got massive promotions, wealth and social standing to the icing.

>>16030693
You forgot the Schön scandal. I have no idea how his research colleagues survied that scandal but it was massive.

>>16030659
Scott Adams is a Trump shill and a Musk shill.
The real correct choice is not to take any sides, not left and not right, look at all the systems objectively and see what is true what works, what doesn't. The problem of Scott Adams is that he blindly accepts Trump and Musk and ignores all their problems, he is the definition of a shill.

>>16044267
systems don't exist, it's all deep racial hatreds at the bottom

>>16044269
>it's all deep racial hatreds at the bottom
There is a lot of racial hatred but it's all racial hatred.

>>16044274
*but it's not all racial hatred.

>>16044274
at the bottom it is, all the foreign politics of america in the last 80 years can be explained by different ethnic groups pushing for their grievances

>>16044281
You are just an ignorant poltard, you see nothing but racial politics. You refuse to look at things objectively from all sides.

>>16044315
>You refuse to look at things objectively from all sides.
all those sides are smoke and mirrors

>>16044315
>you see nothing but racial politics
but it is all racial politics
What? You think this is a disagreement about taxes?

>>16041969
>>>/lgbt/ is where you are from and it is where you shall return

>>16044267
>everything is politics
go to >>>/pol/ if thats all you care about

>>16030659
He's right. But its not just George Soros, Sorors is just one head of the hydra. The other heads are the entire WEF organization and the thousands of corporate/government partners. That is pushing the same thing.

>>16037951
i get my science advice from Garry Trudeau.
My great granny is a close 2nd, she's a great herbalist andmaybe a witch

>>16031330
>jannies ban schizo retards for posting schizo stuff
great job, i think they deserve a raise

People who believe marketing is science are the kind of people who would post Scott Adams.

>>16030681
what would you say is the difference between the two?

>>16045689
the former is my headcannon fantasyland version which only exists in my schizo imagination

Science is a process, not an institution. He's talking about government.

>>16030659
the scientific method will always be trustworthy. humans on the other hand are pretty fucking shit, largely speaking.

>>16046827
The scientific method doesn't exist unless its executed by people. People who don't believe that behaving and acting dishonestly is a mortal sin (AKA Christians) are incapable of faithfully executing the scientific method.

>>16045655
Science outreach is just marketing, so yeah science basically is marketing. You're just marketing ideas. It's not special just because you got a degree and figured out how the sun works. All scientists still need to convince people they're right, waving around a paper isn't going to cut it.

>>16048142
scyentists don't know how the sun works, they just know that nobody will ever be able to look inside the sun which means they can claim they know how the sun works and nobody will ever be able to disprove their claims of knowing how the sun works

>>16031234
It creates a market for reproducibility to be something cheaper for corporations that manufacture products out of good research in the form of patents.

>>16035979

>>16030659
science is just a method, it is either correct or not; "trustworthy" doesn't even apply to it. otoh the scientific establishment definitely isn't trustworthy.

>>16051035
>"trustworthy" doesn't even apply to it.
It does, they scientific method is premised on honest execution of the method. thats why only chrisitians are capable of executing it, because no other group believes that dishonesty is a mortal sin.

>>16045689
The latter is a badly broken tool that allows research theft and maintenance of the sacred ideas currently held. The idea of having someone in your field look over your work is great but the current peer review process is nonsense.

>>16034304
tsmt

>>16030659
the answer is unironically national socialism. all industries including science must be made to benefit the people. unrestricted corporate activity has obliterated all western governments through corruption and the sciences have been corrupted as well, with the chief offender being healthcare/medicine.

>>16034840
>no soisquirrel
WASTED

>>16030659
> trump
stop reading, just another schizobabble

>>16031341
>>16041969
>>16045298
Samefagging Jew

>>16055536
>trump triggers me
the past decade must've been fairly unpleasant for you

>>16030659
Bold of you to assume I ever trusted anyone

>>16030659
My take is that science will survive the opinion of one person, over time.

>>16048142
>Science outreach

Scott is notorious for sockpuppeting in discussions about himself. He's probably in this very thread

>>16030659
Science is not religion if done correctly

>>16057464
>that wasn't real science
spoken like a truly devoted religious zealot

>>16030659
>clott adams
nobody cares

>>16057431
>metafilter
Holy fuck forgot that existed. Think they fell into a leftist purity spiral

This nutbag once said all evidence is anecdotal. The fuck does he know about science?

>>16059359
Lots of people care, he is extremely influential

>>16059359
Ben Garrison cares