/sci/ - Science & Math

>>16027684
3 launches in 8 hours from SpaceX. HOLY hell.

Now if they can make that twice a week, this is game over for everyone else.

Finally an update. Lander is healthy.
https://twitter.com/Int_Machines/status/1758134068644884487
>>16027684
horrible edition

reminder about the seethign NAFO trannie in the pervious thread. Russia is winning. Z

>>16027689
>trannie
ESL opinion detected and promptly disregarded

First for Chris Bergin

>>16027684
Fuck yourself OP, we just launched a moon lander

>>16027684
When will the Blue Moon pathfinder land?

>>16027689
Please keep the OT stuff in the old thread
Thank you

>>16027697
Q4 2037

Redpill me about Putler's latest anti-satellite test tlhat the anglo are so mad about.
Is it a laser weapon, or an interception vehicle, or both?
Can it be used to blind the laser receivers in Elon's sats?

>>16027790
it's a nothingburger, but i agree putin is based. russia is cringe though

>>16027790
The payload is for intercepting Apophis during its close pass in 2029.

>>16027790
the western idiots are making all sorts of copiums. truth is that russia is winning and the latest test is the shot heared around the world. same with hypersonics. russia is incomparably ahead in these domains.

>>16027812
ESL reveals himself again lmao

>>16027812
Even China is scared. China is partnering with Russia on a moon base, China cannot do it on their own

>>16027828
>China is partnering with Russia
I thought they tried that with their station and it fell through

>>16027831
Because Russia can't reach their station

>>16027832
That was a deliberate chinese decision, wasn't it? If I'm not misremembering it was just 2-3 degrees of inclination that makes it not accessible to russian launch sites

>>16027828
Meanwhile in reality China has sent multiple landers to the Moon and the one attempt by Russia became a crater.

>>16027831
the partnership fell through because russia simply has bigger and diverging plans than china. china is only interested in copying amewrica whereas russia goes above and beyond. thats why america and chian are each others biggest trade partners. its a cordon against great Russia

>>16027812
>>16027828
>>16027832
>>16027840
these sure seem like organic posts

>>16027838
It was less an overt snub of Russia and more launching to an optimal inclination for China.

>>16027840
Have they even tried to do anything beyond Earth's SOI since Phobos Grunt came back down? USA shits out stuff into solar orbit all the time it seems.

>>16027831
I'd like to see more about Tiangong Station. I really can't stand those yellow rats, but I'm glad to see them making progress. I'd like to see more space stations, and I worry that the US isn't going to replace the ISS with anything.

>>16027848
>responding to overt shilling/bait

joe biden is such a sweet man

>>16027848
as you know Russia is facing unprecedneted challenges from cultures as it has been for many decades, but when it abckfires you will quickly see why they were under intense supression.

>>16027853
Kys homo
>>16027850
>I worry that the US isn't going to replace the ISS with anything.
Me too, I have high hopes for the commercial station companies who are all trying now, but even if every one of them succeeds I'd still want NASA to have a station of their own rather than just rent space on a private one.

>>16027853
pentagon bot.

>>16027864
Same. I even donated some of my BidenBuxx to the Gateway guys (right before they cucked out and changed the name of Von Braun Station). I really hope that something gets built. It seems like the obvious path towards incentivizing more investment and increasing public interest in orbital projects.

>>16027868
I can tell you are a star citizen type of guy

>>16027868
Retard.

Why do anons post disingenuous horse shit, it makes actual communication impossible

>>16027870
No I never fell for Star Yidizen lol.
>>16027871
Yeah, tell me about it. It was only 50 dollars, at least. I think I had just read Report from Planet Three at the time and got manic about space stations. Good to see my money got put to good use.... right?

>>16027876
I'm with you. It's out of place on /sfg/. Ironic shitposting is still shitposting and all that. Stuff like Krystalposter and Pisslocks are good fun, though.

Guys...did you see this?

FUCKING HELL I KEEP MISSING THE STAGING BECAUSE ITS PAGE 9 AT 4 AM GOD DAMN IT

>>16027889
Kill yourself Noa the japs shouldve bombed Hawaii out completely

>>16027895
NOAA?

>>16027897
I hate you and all of Oahu

>>16027812
a cruise missile launched from a Mig-25 is not a hypersonic missile

>>16027901
sir I posted a cute kitty cat

>>16027905
And you ruined IFT-2. Nobody has forgotten you faggot go back to Twitter

OFT-3 pay very close attention
>>16027889

The Stoke rocket is called Nova.
I do not like that name.

>>16027910
that's not actually my cat, take it up with the owner

>>16027912
Stolen valor

>>16027889
why'd he do it?

>>16027925
>>16027889
>>16027883
Samefag

>>16027932
get a grip

So at this point IM-1 has got further than Peregrine 1?

>>16027932
People like you ruined /sfg/

can we all just stop posting western propaganda and focus on spaceflight. jeez...

Who had a betting pool going? Final Osiris Rex tally just dropped: 121.6 grams.
https://blogs.nasa.gov/osiris-rex/2024/02/15/nasa-announces-osiris-rex-bulk-sample-mass/

>>16027977
ive been nonstop posting about how great china is

>>16027684
This nigga mogs peregrine and SLIM so bad, look at it, a real lunar lander, and while peregrine and slim need one month to land on the moon, this boy make it in 6 days

>>16028006
peregrine and SLIM are both larger and better

>>16028008
SLIM is a fucking meme and Peregrine exploded. The travel time difference alone shows you how cucked they both are.
>>16028006
Yes indeed. Very based.

>>16028011
Shows how much more massive they are

>>16028006
SLIM is like your first mun lander attempt in KSP when you haven't unlocked landing legs so you have it just sorta tip over.

>>16028008
SLIM:
>Launch mass: 590 kg
>Dry mass: 120 kg
>Dimensions: 1.5 × 1.5 × 2 m
Peregrine:
>Launch mass: 1,283 kg
>Peregrine Mission 1 is about 1.9 m high and roughly 2.5 m across.
Intuitive Machines Nova-C:
>Launch mass: 1,900 kg
>Length: 3 m
>Diameter: 2 m

>>16028008
>>16028013
nice gaslighting faggot

>>16028015
>Launch mass: 1,900 kg
How much of that launch mass is propellant though?

>>16028019
I don't know. They're taking a shorter trip to the moon than the other spacecraft, but they're also burning a higher specific impulse propellant combination and have ~100 kilograms of instruments onboard.

>>16028015
Like i said this nigga nova mogs

>>16028014
I was about to say there hasn't been a new lunar lander game in a while but I guess KSP pretty much covers all of that.

>>16028015
Lol @ (You) thinking this GPT slop means shit

>>16028034
>just posting worthless bait
you should kill yourself. you can look up the masses on wikipedia

less lunar landers, more lunar gps

IM-1 functioning normally
https://www.intuitivemachines.com/im-1

>Elon went from tweeting about SpaceX everyday to pushing zigger propaganda every day
Russia is distracting mankind from space exploration and just for that reason alone they should be glassed.

>>16027697
Someday someone might take it to the moon on a cargo flight as a joke once Space X brings the bring down enough.

Could you build a pressurized habitat for a base from Hesco barriers and a polypropylene liner, hypothetically?

>>16028064
the fate of all social media addicts is to become trolls. they crave social media (You)'s.

Guy makes shuttle tiles.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SI7mpjHGiFU
Has brief shot of NASA cnc milling a tile.

>>16028061
No burns yet? It only takes one...

>>16027938
Yes, regardless of how the landing goes IM-1 will actually get to the Moon.

>>16028064
>everything I don't like is Russian propaganda

It really is an election year.

>>16028095
I can't believe the same exact line is still being trotted out. Russia has been a boogieman for 80 fucking years, when does this nonsense stop?

>>16028097
When Russia stops acting like barbarians (never)

>>16028105
I do not care about Russia or what Russia does in their part of the world. I'm mildly interested when they put things into space, that's it.

>>16027911
When are you launching again QT?

>>16028123
NET March 4th

>Varda reentering on the 21st
>IM-1 landing on the 22nd

Yeah I think we are back

>>16028164
did Intuitive machine get FAA approval?

>>16028164
https://twitter.com/VardaSpace/status/1758235163127898405

Varda landing in Utah

300th successful launch from SpaceX today.

Another huge milestone

>>16028066
brings the *cost* down enough
*<|:^(

>>16027519
No, that's just sunk cost fallacy. He waived due diligence when he made the $54.20 MEME offer to buy Twitter because he couldn't let go of the stupid 420 trolling behavior. Then the market crashed and the Twitter share price slid so much that he'd be forced to overpay for the company by 40%. He tried to get out of the deal by making a big deal about bots and how Twitter made misleading statements on SEC filings and was the reason why he waived due diligence.

The court case went to the Delaware Chancery and Twitter held him to the coals over specific performance requirements and his exit clause was lost because of him waiving due diligence. During pre-discovery, the judge (McCormick, TESLA pay package saga same judge) gave him a choice: you can either buy the company at 40% over value OR the entire contents of your cell phone would be entered into evidence and be viewable by the public.

That spooked him so much, he agreed to paying 40% over value to avoid the contents of his phone entering evidence and viewable by public; as it contained everything about Tesla, SpaceX, personal, XAi, Twitter to be, etc.

His bullshit about wokeism and fall of civlization is just post-facto rationalization over the find out part of the fucking around.

You think this would be effective and economical? I want to be able to expand habs without needing to building starships on site on first landing

>>16027684
>uses LH2
>still lower C3 than Falcon 9
holy shit this is pathetic

>>16028196
I wish the government wouldn't stop me from just doing this in the woods so I can have a home that belongs to me.

https://investors.intuitivemachines.com/news-releases/news-release-details/im-1-mission-nova-c-lunar-lander-successfully-enroute-moon
>stable attitude
>full power
Peregrine BTFO, methalox chads win again.

https://investors.intuitivemachines.com/news-releases/news-release-details/im-1-mission-nova-c-lunar-lander-successfully-enroute-moon

>>16028202
Property taxes on primary residences are the root of all government overreach.

>>16028167
No FAA approval needed to land on the moon because there's no air.

>>16028195
>haha a Democrat judge threatened to ruin him for no reason so he was wrong about leftism being a threat

>>16028219
>>16028196
>>16028167
>>16028164
>>16028177
When are we leaving this planet bros? Once again waking up on this hellhole called earth, after a beautiful dream exploring the galaxy in my own spaceship... Im tired of delays and im getting older bros...They told us to be on mars and beyond at this point... Whats taking so long

>>16028223
Get to work, retard. build a test plamsa sail cubesat. You might get investment enough for a rideshare and mission

>>16027704
I might know a thing or two about Blue. Lander is a while off, but things are drastically speeding up.

>>16028223
probably never humans are not built to live off Earth
and if we do go to mars for good the food we will be eating will be horrible so fuck that

>>16027790
we just don't know
>>16027848
the farthest they've been out was a failed moon lander
>>16027883
pisslocks aren't ironic
>>16028069
yes

>>16028197
>still lower C3 than Falcon 9

Falcon Heavy you mean.

>>16027910
IFT-2 was amazing
you seem to have forgotten to take your meds schizo

>>16028274
skill issue

>>16028274
>He can’t aquatics and permaculture
To the servitor lobotomy lab with you

>>16027889
It's better when you can't see the bottom of the image. Which is what happened to me because it was in a tall format.

>>16028353
erection?

>>16028195
He didnt want to stop buying it entirely, just pay less due to twitter lying about bot numbers
The political judge didnt care about that though, which is itself an example of the degenerating culture
All this insane lawfare is a symptom
The insane lockdowns and censorship around that are a symptom
Antinataliam is a symptom
Pushing trannyism on kids is a symptom
Filling western countries with 3rd world criminals is a symptom

>>16028365
>coomer with 4K monitor
just cover the bottom 1/4 of the image and watch it again

>>16028376
oh it's a CAT

>>16028373
>He didnt want to stop buying it entirely, just pay less due to twitter lying about bot numbers

He waived due diligence clauses. Once you do that, you're on the hook for the price you agreed to buy the company at no matter HOW COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY FUCKED the bad parts of the company are and don't get to change your mind after the fact because its inconvenient. That's why when company acquisitions happen, they take a long ass fucking time and they go through due diligence processes so that both parties have exit clauses they can invoke if they don't like it.

If he hadn't waived due diligence, he would have been able to pay $1Bn and walk away and that would have been the end of that saga.

Repeat after me

Is just a theory

>>16028383
Those get superseeded in the case there is outlight fraud, which there was, but the corrupt judge did not care about that

>>16028384
A GAME theory. Thanks for watching

>>16028388
It ultimately doesn't matter, as the judge gave Elon an option to fight it out in court and Elon walked away and overpaid because he didn't want to disclose the contents of his phone via discovery. So there's no basis of corruption here, because the decision was not unilaterally made against Elon, he was given choice, which he made.

uhm, hello? I'm looking for the Spaceflight general.

>>16028396
sorry we only have space and flight but not spaceflight

>>16028379

>>16028396
sorry, this is the spacefight general

>>16028395
Because it was clear what the jidgement would be, the pay package decision shows this without question

>>16028411
Missing the kippah and rabbinic clothing

>>16028411
Easy mistake to make, happens to the best of us

why can't they just call it an electric screw driver?

What is the business model for Intuitive Machines and these other small nuspace companies? There is no real value in ridesharing what are basically cubesats to the moon. We need to be, and will be soon, able to send tons of material at a time to the moon. Excavators, habitat modules, experimental regolith harvestors, etc. When Starship gets going in 8-10 years they're just going to wipe the floor with these stupid little companies

>>16028489
Receiving goverments money

>>16028489
Inuitive Machines might hitch a ride with Starship, building expertise on the Moon in the mean time

>>16028489
Harvesting NASA contract money

https://twitter.com/Gwynne_Shotwell/status/1758158569692930304

https://twitter.com/Gwynne_Shotwell/status/1758024561181000003

would be kind of funny if SpaceX takes this "first" from ULA and BO as well
shouldn't have shaken that payload

Why can't SpaceX just go back to streaming on youtube, I miss basically all the launches because I'm not getting youtube notifications anymore...

>>16028223
Why leave this planet, my friends? I'm enjoying the delays, and I'm getting younger... They never mentioned Mars and beyond... What's the rush?

>>16028223
see
>>26723665

>>16028511
Just suscribe to spaceflight now or nfs

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/us-cancels-multibillion-dollar-classified-military-satellite-program/ar-BB1ijDSi
> (Bloomberg) -- The US Space Force canceled a multibillion-dollar Northrop Grumman Corp. program to develop a classified military communications satellite because of increased costs, difficulties developing its payload and a schedule delay, according to a regulatory filing and people familiar with the decision.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1758345416016367909

>>16028560
Looks like starshield may eat their lunch. Hope Grumman is ok, I know someone in their satellite division.

>>16028593
Does Starshield piggyback off of Starlink, or is it its own constellation?

>>16028560
Military space is absolutely fucked right now. Shit is getting cancelled all over the place

Fusion energy was just recently finally demonstrated in the United Kingdom. How far are we from fusion rockets now?

>>16028511
Politics issue. I'm getting daily notification on my phone with x app just fine.

Haven't been here for a month since nothing was happening, did I miss anything? Schizodrive status? IFT-3 status?

>>16028634
Schizodrive satellite broke down before they were able to test it
IFT-3 should be happening in two weeks

FAA is blockinh spacex again

>>16028611
Well my guy is in Grumman, but for starlink/starshield we don't know. They may be planning to co-manifest them with regular starlink, so we wouldn't know if they started launching. Another possibility is they host dedicated hardware on the regular civilian satellites.

However all the talk is about a dedicated military operated satellites, which may get dedicated launches. They may also be waiting to base them on the starlink v2, which means waiting for starship.

>>16028643
Ahh no one knows specifics, its what I assumed. I heard "militarized version of Starlink" from MSM.

>>16028223
One day anon... One day...

H3 rollout
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWbjrwipFCU

>>16028642
SpaceX isn't ready

>>16028693

>>16028695
They aborted their recent WDR attempt, until they've completed that they are simply factually not ready to launch. No screaming about CIA niggers will change that, I'm afraid.

AI singularity in 4 years. Sora has convinced me.
We're going to have HAL 9000 for space missions aren't we?

>>16028716
probably something better than HAL

>>16028729
Yeah… wild times ahead. I’m sort of glad I grew up in a pre AI world.

I think humanity should get together and archive everything as of present day, as a reference for pre AI human generated content.

>>16028175
Fucking finally.

>>16027684
I like the cradle-lifter thing

>>16028701
>simply factually

>>16028833
You forgot your panko image homosexual liker

>>16028836
PANKO MANKO?

>>16028675
>tranime

>>16028716
reminder that the glowies fucked up HAL

>>16028675
isnt this the one that blew up? they made another????

https://spaceforcestarshipeis.com/
SpaceX is preparing an EIS to launch Starship from either SLC-37 or a new pad at CCSFS

>>16028932
Kek why is there a whole website?

>>16028701
screaming about them won't but [illegal speech redacted] would

>>16028932
So they abandoned the pad at 39A?
That's crazy it has a whole ass tower + chopsticks installed

BREAKING: SpaceX hires descendants of Operation Paperclip scientists

>>16028940
I imagine this replaces the LC-49 concept, but I'm concerned that's a possibility too.

>>16028942
clearly a retard and a schizo, but is that a woman or a tranny? also what are the odds it's a "person" of brown?

>>16028942
>broodling
They aren't even talking about them like they are people, Jesus Christ. Reminds me of how my grandma wanted all descendants of Hitler dead even though they haven't done anything wrong themselves.

>>16028942
lol, people come up with nazi conspiracy theories so they don't have to confront they fact that they aren't a very good engineer
lmao

>>16028942
>poor quality emoyee
>a lot of them work for SpaceX
crazy how that works since they're completely dominating the rest of the industry.
the majority of satellites in orbit, most upmass, highest cadence, cheapest $/kg and so forth...
also go back to preddit negroid

>>16028952
>all descendants of Hitler
in this case your insane grandmother and you can both get your wish
they're all dead and all alive

>>16028942
I wouldnt mind looking up aerospace girlies skirts :)

>>16028951
>what are the odds it's a "person" of brown
>>16028952
>They aren't even talking about them like they are people, Jesus Christ
the duality of /sfg/

>>16028959
because you like penises
because you are a faggot
because you were molested as a child
because your stepfather was a faggot

>>16028959

>>16028957
What is this supposed to mean?

>>16028942

>>16028959

How do people defend the shuttle?
It was dangerous and expensive and has slaved NASA to an extremely stupid architecture through political job share bullshit and institutional inertia.
NASA's ability to contract and procure bespoke independent launch architectures will literally not survive the shuttle.

It's not even entirely a case of hindsight, In a lot of cases they should have known better, huge compromises were forced on the system by budgetary limitations and stupid requirements.
The CCCP were able to make Buran operate completely unmanned and they were so far behind the US aerospace industry when it came to control systems.

The main contribution of the shuttle on modern spaceflight is teaching people how NOT to do things, both programmatically and from an engineering perspective.
Really fed up with the rose tinted glasses on this.

>>16028164
>Varda reentering on the 21st
>IM-1 landing on the 22nd
commercial space age is doing work

>>16028489
logistics is a huge industry on earth. once you get a viable lander working then people will pay you to carry their payloads to the moon. if you build it, they will come.

>>16028966
i love lauren

>>16028942
reddit niggers.

>>16028995
It was also supposed to save Skylab, but it was late.

>>16028961
I normally don't like to pull this one out but
>rent free
seriously. you should not have gotten trannies from anywhere in that exchange. it's super weird that your mind went there

>>16028995
Because shuttle was the idea NASA came up to keep their facilities open, after apollo congress wanted to shut NASA down, or at least their crew program, so NASA invent the shuttle to satisfy DOD, with that idea that it could catch soviet satellites and brig them back to earth, so now with STS everyone was happy, congress could spend billions on this program making a lot of jobs across the US, but not so much billions like apollo, military could use it if they want it, NASA could keep their facilities open and jobs, and aerospace industry could have big contracts, they were so happy with this, that even shuttle being very dangerous, expensive and only could reach low earth orbit, they keep this boy alive for 30 years

>>16029035
Why didn’t they just commercialize flights and build cheaper rockets?
>>16029018
Women only engage in careers that are very sociable in nature or have high social status attached to them, like nursing or office jobs. Any “girl” in less than the most limelighted of positions in a stem field has an inside out dick. It’s basically a natural law

https://twitter.com/SpaceEquities/status/1757826075143319958
Good thread with Rocket Lab's stated goals

>>16029045
>Why didn’t they just commercialize flights and build cheaper rockets?
This was 1975, rockets were still crazy expensive even in the best case ICBM-spam like Soyuz, Atlas, Titan. Much of the technology for modern cheap rockets came out of the Shuttle program and Shuttle era NASA testing.

Will gattling guns be allowed on Mars?

>>16029080
yes

>>16028069
Polypropylene probably wouldn't be the best liner because of its thermal properties, but hesco barriers filled with regolith are totally viable as a means for rad shielding.

>>16029080
Free electron lasers for colony aerospace point defense

>>16029053
24 tweets lol,

>>16029121
>>16029053
>STOOOOOOOOCKS
investors get the rope. i couldn't care less.
any public space company is ngmi

Delta IV Medium (4,2) is vertical

>>16029128
I'm pretty sure that's an H-IIA.

>>16029121

>>16029132

>>16029133

>>16028643
>>16028611
Starshield is a different/larger sat than Starlink V1

>>16028940
This is a second tower for Florida.

I’M VOOOOOOOTTTIIINNNGGGG

>>16029150
You're coping. It has been apparent for some time that they've abandoned the 39A pad.
Nobody has been working there, they've not rolled out the launch mount, they've not finished the tank farm or water system.
I suspect NASA meant it when they said they don't want exploding Starship near 39A, so SpaceX has pivoted.

>>16027790
It's a prototype nuclear powered EW jammer meant to block US military satellites.
That's why the Capitol is saying it isn't an immediate threat a la space laser or some other ASAT device.

did we get any new info about the Russian asat?

>>16029165
No just reddit-tier speculation see >>16029164

>>16028942
It must be fun to live in that false reality, or else they wouldn't persist at it. I don't get it myself.
It'd be fine if they didn't vote.

>frost on the booster
>no mention on /sfg/
you guys are slipping

>3 Neutron launches in 2025

ITS JOEVER HAHAHAHAHAHA

https://x.com/spaceequities/status/1757826111470203183?s=46&t=ySaWSLoZU6lwZ7u03-FcBQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkLxH2lSJnM

second WDR attempt

>>16028940
NASA is getting weird about it because of the crew launch capability from 39A, until SpaceX gets crew launch set up somewhere else they won't be allowed to do it
the Military is also getting weird about it because of the Falcon Heavy launch capability from 39A, until SpaceX can launch a Falcon Heavy from slick forty they won't be allowed to risk 39A with a Starship launch

>>16029203
read the thread you smelly loser
>>16029132
It isn't even that far up, fuck you

>>16028940
Nah, NASA wants second security for human launch, before allowing Starship from 39A.

>>16028968
Hitler didn't have any kids

>>16029218
or did he?

https://twitter.com/GoogleDeepMind/status/1758529530153542029

Semi-related useful stuff. We have all the old space records/transcripts/data. If NASA can feed those data to Gemini, they can get a lot of useful quirks out of it.

>>16029080
"allowed"
will they be able to stop us? can't stop the signal baby

>>16029130
H-IIA is a Delta IVM with Japanese characteristics by which I mean they put an anime girl on the side and transmit documents via fax

>>16029222
Such as?

>>16029229
Thats for the AI to find out. NASA has millions of records that are simply unknown/untouched for decades.

>>16029222
>list 3 comedic moments
>quote and emoji

>>16029245
Kys brownoid. How dare you make Starship a mulatto

>>16029245

>>16028995
Astronauts long resisted any efforts to completely take away control of spacecraft from them. They liked looking like the test pilots most of the early corps were. The USSR didn't have to deal with that, they simply said automation and remote control are the way things are going to be. If a cosmonaut didn't like it, there were some toilets somewhere in Siberia that they could go scrub instead. The Soviets still made heroes out of their cosmonauts but in a different way than astronauts were in the US.

>>16029160
SpaceX built a second Falcon crew tower for no reason at all.

>>16029246
It's canon, she's half black

>>16028940
Starship not flying from there until it works perfectly.

>>16028995
>it was dangerous
so? redstone/atlas was dangerous. saturn V was dangerous. space travel will always be dangerous to a certain extent. The one thing the shuttle had that nothing else did was that it launched so many times that a small percentage chance of failure accumulated to cause an actual failure.

>>16029128
>>16029130
that's the new H3, but the point is well taken. Similar architecture to that Delta variant (hydrolox + solids for takeoff thrust). The H3 supposedly has tweaks to make it cheaper and easier to manufacture than the HII. I wonder if it ended up cheaper than the Delta military pork launcher?

>>16029263
>. The one thing the shuttle had that nothing else did was that it launched so many times that a small percentage chance of failure accumulated to cause an actual failure.
I don't like these implications for Starship

>>16029263
soyuz is dangerous but has a launch escape system that has saved crews before.

>>16029053
looks like one of these guys opening his mouth

>>16029252
Not even a little bit of an excuse. They could have just done unmanned Shuttle missions and let the Astronauts fly the landing during manned missions.

>>16028932
IMAGINE

>>16029284

>>16029275
That gives away that the astronauts aren't needed to "fly" the craft. Beyond the desire of the astronauts to be seen as in control, the government wanted astronauts to be heroes. You're taking an engineer's view of what's essentially a PR and political decision. Engineers usually lose those battles, often to the determent of the program or even people's lives.

>>16029284
>>16029287
it would be bigger so what

>>16029296
So much more room

>>16029299
what do they need it for? half the starbase area is test stands runoff collection and parking lots

>>16029303
You have no imagination

>>16029304
I imagine it remaining mostly grass fields

>>16029246
Starship is latinx.

>>16029306
Like I said lol

>>16028968
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuous_truth

>>16029018
I don't give a shit about them
First, the idea that he's sexually attracted to someone because of their work is pretty fucking weird
More importantly, there are probably more trooned out faggots than women in technical positions

>>16029045
You need to go outside, meet real women

>>16029310
Woke nigger

Sooo uhhhhhh about IM-1

>>16029313
>First, the idea that he's sexually attracted to someone because of their work is pretty fucking weird
It's not. Most people are boring ass NPCs. Many people in technical occupations aren't.
>More importantly, there are probably more trooned out faggots than women in technical positions
You're delusional. I agree there's elevated levels but women are 50% of people and there's a tiny minority of men who are actually crazy enough to cut off their dick.

>>16029328
Told ya

>>16029328
Shit

>>16029328
lazy concern trolling is lazy

>>16029328
>>16029330
>>16029331
FUD. The first update took similarly long.
They were solving some problems with the star tracker but nothing huge.

what is this bitch doing

>>16029334
they're crucifying him for our sins

>>16029334
Making Chris NSF a lot of money that's what

>>16029265
Delta IV wasn't as a big a 50-states jobs program as SLS is, but it was pretty bad. Mitsubishi is building the LE-9 and LE-7B engines in-house and 90% of the electronics are pulled straight from their automotive division. The only big parts that got outsourced are the boosters (Ishikawa Heavy Industries) and the payload fairing (Kawasaki).

The Delta IV production line at Michaud was also designed to produce 40 Delta IV cores per year and bled money when it didn't even manage to break 10% of that on its best year. The H3 line is scaled for around 10 vehicles, which is enough to get mass production efficiencies but not so much that they'll suffer from idle capacity.

>>16029337
You have an obsession.
Post more about me and there is going to be repercussions.

moist, dripping dress rehearsal

dresses reheased: 0
nsf coffers overflowing: 1

>>16028278
>pisslocks aren't ironic
Krystalposting isn't ironic either, and I judt referred to both as "good fun". I wish /sfg/ would speculate more on colonization.
>>16028196
I like it. I have a thing for rugged simple hab modules, like Bigelow's BEAM or the лyк from Seveneves.

Spooky
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=462KBuAhncU

>>16029352
I want to retire on an o'neil cylinder

>>16029245

>>16029353
anything thomas the tank engine related is autism to me.

>>16029053
Wonder what other companies RocketLab wants to buy? Other parts of the satellite production likely?

>>16029341
amazing how much more efficient you can be when you don't have the military industrial complex propping you up

>>16029336
>modifying the Christo Redentor to serve as starship's Brazilian launch site/catch tower.

>>16029334
>>16029336
>Elon, Elon, lama sabachthani?

>>16029357
it's an advanced form of autism
you have children's cartoon AND trains at the same time

Engine burn delayed

https://x.com/int_machines/status/1758582475087925448?s=46&t=ySaWSLoZU6lwZ7u03-FcBQ

>>16029328
https://www.intuitivemachines.com/_files/ugd/7c27f7_0c7c9c1dddb0422694b16e6ec4c28242.pdf

>>16028175
about time, how bad is FAA if someone can launch without knowing they can come down.

>>16029263
There were 4 flights of Apollo hardware with no crew and 4 flights of Mercury redstone with no crew.
These were required to Human rate it and demonstrated the mission profile.

Both vehicles had automatic abort systems with LES and a much wider range of abort modes, they also used a much simpler re-entry system that was relatively foolproof.

The shuttle meanwhile flew it's first flight manned, with very limited abort capability.
It could have been designed with a full profile abort capability, but it wasn't because of the mission, cost and weight requirements.
Had it been designed to be operated unmanned, it could have undergone test flights both to validate the base design, to test iterative improvements and to fly missions unmanned where the crew weren't necessary.
When the Shuttle program made changes to the design they had to risk the astronauts to test them, this had a chilling effect on design changes, but also put the astronauts at risk.
One example was when the program changed the shuttle tile waterproofing system using a spray on waterproofer, this degraded the bonding glue and caused an increase in tile losses, this serious flaw was only found after multiple crewed flights.
Another example was the shuttle-centaur proposals, which, had they flown would have likely put the crew in extreme jeopardy.

Starship actually solves some of these issues, it will likely fly hundreds of flights before taking crew and will be constantly iterated.
It may well fly more flights than the space shuttle before NASA human rates it.

because of the flexability in the design it will be able to be iterated and improved heavily through the programme, starship has likely already seen more changes from it's first two flights than the orbiter saw in it's entire life.
If you wanted to give it a comprehensive abort capability with some kind of escape pod system, you absolutely could, thanks to the generous weight margins of the design and the ability to make changes to it.

>>16029334
this actualy looks like some evangelion shit. it looks like something mankind was never meant to see.

>>16029409
>It may well fly more flights than the space shuttle before NASA human rates it.
maybe for people to go up in it but not for the HLS

>>16029246
to be fair she's almost Mexican

>>16029203
3 launches in 2025 is optimistic. Really it'll be 1 if they're lucky.

>>16029433
>mankind was never meant to see
Meant by who? Man forges his own destiny.

>>16028716
AGI will be achieved in Europe. Starships will have AIs who speak in a Bavarian accent.

>>16029053
>Neutron
>launching flatpack Starlink satellites
Common Peter, really?

>>16028716
how does text to video ai convince you of anything

OFT-3 will have satellites on board

>>16029053
why do public investors constantly display their delusions?

>>16028716
we're going to have HAL 9000 for buying groceries
look up NIO NOMI

Hypothetically, if we can give photons mass and turn it into hard light, could that be used as reaction mass for an engine? Since it would have far more force than just light pressure and we’d have electric propulsion with unlimited delta V

JPL needs to fire more people. Mars exploration needs to stop

>>16029502
Your post is teenager-scifi gobbledygook.
Photons travel at the speed of light. Any mass traveling at the speed of light would require infinite energy to propel it.
You cannot give photons mass because it would require infinite energy to do so, or they wouldn't be photons.
'Hard light' -- go back to your video games.

>>16029502
yeah that would work

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SyZFDn1hOA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEQOlhDRddI
T-80:00

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfUcl2VMNgs
Clear Live!

>>16029160
They probably paused because they changed the launch complex design ala starbase

>>16029599
Will she make cute sexy noises if it succeeds

>>16027684
For those curious about Japan's SLIM lander's current location on the Moon

>>16029657
launch of the rising sun

>>16029618
didnt it not come back after the last lunar night? so whats it matter where it is.

>>16029409
You forget that Shuttle was a jobs program, so if they flew it with out astronauts guess who might lose a job? Anyway NASA and congress killed 14 over it. Drone Shuttle would have been cool, could have flown more two.

>>16029679
can someone translate i dont read moon runes

japanese countdown asmr

Little girl on Clear's stream so cute!

>>16029696
for real

we bustin

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

what is that high pitched screech just after launch?!

This is basically mini SLS

>>16029705
The eva soul trapped inside

powerslide initiated

Dat dogleg maneuver tho is nuts.

>>16029709
>>16029710

I thought it failed and started to flip like Starship, woof.

that dogleg tho

>>16029705
high pitched voice just like my japanese animes

>>16029440
HLS being a permanent large space station/earth moon transport/lander is pretty based

Will the second stage ignite?

>>16029711
Nah it did this on the last flight too. The problem on the last flight was that the 2nd stage decided it wasnt going to do its job.

>no acceleration
IT'S OVER AGAIN

>>16029711
H3 needs to make a really hard drift/turn to fly around an island south of the launch pad

2nd stage??

>>16029723
It's going up

>>16029723

Hydrolox is DOGSHIT

we've had good 2nd stage ignition, so we're past the point of the previous launch failure

oh okay it's just low thrust, aka high energy

Such a waste of delta-v on the dogleg.

>>16029707
>This is basically mini SLS

It's a Japanese Delta IV Medium, but not retarded.

NOMINALU

What a sluggish upper stage, I initially thought it had failed to start up again. Then again, maybe I'm just too used to F9 launches. MVac is a muscle car engine compared to this.

>>16029723
>>16029730
>>16029731
but it was very worrisome at the start, didn't start gaining velocity again for almost a full minute. Is the second stage really that underpowered?

Good work, nips!

>>16029743
The LE-5B-3 only has about 30% more thrust than your average RL-10. It's got good effectively like you'd expect from a hydrogen engine but it's not very potent.

>>16029614
Very cute noises indeed.

Clear is crying clears of joy

Is the H-II retired now?

>>16029246
>he doesn't like brown girls
ngmi

>>16029753
It's in the same semi-retired space as the Atlas V and Delta IV. Production should be completed but there are three launches left on the schedule.

>>16029246
she is the result of the vision of an african american and the work of many mexicans

>>16028940
Starship isn't flying from 39A until they get another crw pad up and running, NASA doesn't want the risk

>>16029750
>>16029751
she was having an orgasm there

>>16029749
>>16029743

Doesn't the first stage separate at a much higher altitude and velocity than F9? So it shouldn't need much thrust

>>16029759
The second crew capable pad literally just had a launch yesterday.

>>16029761
Today in anons learning different rockets have different flight trajectories.

>>16029760
makes up for her nervous noises after 2nd stage separation

>>16029761
It's built around the same design philosophy as the Centaur and Delta second stage, which I guess makes sense given how Delta IV the rest of the rocket is.

Man the space shuttle really convinced all these nations LH2 at liftoff is a good idea, eh?
delta iv, ariane 5 h2&3, cz-5

>>16029765
don't forget the nominal Ariane 5 trajectory had it dip in altitude after 2nd stage sep.

>>16029763
Yes but NASA in their infinite autism wants to see it be used ten times before it's certified and they'll release 39A

Square profile picture
CNN
@CNN
Exclusive: Russia is attempting to develop a nuclear space weapon to destroy satellites with a massive energy wave, sources familiar with the intel say.

They'er going after Starlink!

>>16029774
they need to think about how their top secrets are getting read likea book by the US

H3 just launched

>>16028614
we're already building the HMS Elizabeth II based on project daedalus as we speak

Dam son, so /our/ girl made it to 11k viewers

Looks like another straight year of mogging

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_in_spaceflight

>>16029740
Based

>>16029795
They really need to give spacex it's own row at this point.

>>16029795
>no failures

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1758597738671825368

>>16029801
If they did that the United States would only have one Vulcan and one Electron launch on the board for 2024.

>>16029803
Starship Flight 3 is coming up soon

>>16029806
tied for third

https://twitter.com/mayume253/status/1758651916798886060

Solids will always be kino for this reason

>>16029785
God Save the King

>>16029811
Everyone loves a good PLOOOM

how is she doin fellas

Clear in the credits!

According to Dvach the Russian starlink has been delayed

>The launch of the first demonstration satellite for the Internet of Things "Marathon-IoT" is postponed due to the need for additional software checks and clarification of the research program - Roscosmos

>"Marathon-IoT" is a satellite constellation for the provision of Internet of Things services, which will be created within the framework of the "Sphere" program. In total, it will include more than 250 devices weighing no more than 50 kg each. They will be located in 12 orbital planes at an altitude of about 750 km.
>According to the general director of JSC Reshetnev Evgeniy Nesterov, conveyor production will begin this year. The company plans to release 5 satellites by 2025, and 44 satellites by 2026.

>>16029804
Has Musk ever replied to Bezos?

>>16029456
in a few years "a Bavarian accent" will refer to the dialect of Arabic spoken there

>>16029686
The only Japanese that isn't already translated is "Altitude" and "Time of Day"

>>16029357
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2q82bGtujFA

i officially want to marry clear now

>>16029834
naruhodo, arigathanks

>>16029808
India's getting ready to pull even with the rest of the pack tomorrow

>>16029263
they also ignored the explicit warnings of engineers
I doubt SpaceX is going to do that if you have lives at risk simply because killing people would be such a massive setback
probably worse than for the shuttle due to being a private company
at least if the problem is not a freak accident and something that could be prevented by not being retarded
but looking at Boeing, idk, they seem to have people die due to retarded shit all the time

https://twitter.com/Int_Machines/status/1758677812217545020

IM-1 engines fired

>>16029862
>Over the next eight hours, flight controllers will analyze the engine burn data collected from over 270,000 km away from Earth.
>This represents another first for Intuitive Machines, demonstrating one of the critical technologies required to land softly on the surface of the Moon. 2/3

> The IM-1 mission Nova-C class lunar lander continues to be in excellent health, in a stable orientation and remains on schedule for a lunar landing opportunity on the afternoon of February 22. We expect to continue to provide mission updates at least once a day on X and the IM-1 >Mission webpage. 3/3 https://intuitivemachines.com/im-1

Successful Commissioning Burn. Ad Lunam
https://twitter.com/Int_Machines/status/1758677812217545020?t=QF8FamATC9QnzX22nVM0Jg&s=19

best looking rocket

don't @ me

>>16029828
Bezos doesn't post much, so there's no good opportunity

I wish Intuitive Machines hadn't gone public, seemed cool enough before but now I can't take them too seriously.

>>16029795
>Russia now on par with Iran
lol, lmao even

>>16029874
wait till the end of the year.

>>16029433
Fly the dammed starship Shinji or we will make Rei do it again.

>>16029826
I’m like 85% sure Russia will, at some point very soon, say “fuck it” and just bring the Proton back online lol

>>16029889
Not going to happen. The Angara can do the same job as the Proton and doesn't need to launch from a rented pad in a foreign country. The only real advantage the Proton has is that it's fairly cheap given that the launch vehicles are all built and waiting in a warehouse for their launch date.

>>16029862
kind of a bold claim to say a pressure fed engine is the most advanced used in deep space given the prevalence of EP in planetary missions

>>16029765
This H3 launch was weird as fuck.
They put the Ap up to 700 km.
The low TWR 2nd stage apparently burns a la Centaur. The thing drops like 40 km before reaching orbit.

>artificial gravity demo using SLS

>>16029902
it looked like velocity dropped big time after staging. Idk if it was just a data stream error or if it really is just FIGHTING to make orbit hahah

https://twitter.com/SERobinsonJr/status/1758597363021574503

>>16029907
I’m sure this will be cheap, and delivered on-time!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wklZxZyK91M
Press conference time

>>16029907
it's a wet workshop so actually it's based

>>16029907
where the fuck is krystal?

>>16029252
>Astronauts long resisted any efforts to completely take away control of spacecraft from them. They liked looking like the test pilots most of the early corps were
And more often than not, just a little autistic. John Young had a hardon for the shuttle's capability. He coomered in his spacesuit after he got to fly it and manually land it. He was equal amounts defensive of the shuttle to a fault and exasperated by the press implying it wasn't safe and trying to interfere with their operational test flights. He would have tried to fight someone if they stood in the way of his test flight.

>hundreds of thousands of programming jobs lost
>hundreds of thousands of writing, art, and video jobs lost
ai is winning the war on white collar workers. we need more spaceflight jobs to compensate.

As nice as CLPS is, it is held up by nasa money and payloads.

How do you do this, 100% commercial with no contracts, and have it be profitable?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6XI2hTDaX4

Clear is live translating using DeeplL and her own edits the press conference, honestly based, she actually gives a shit about her overseas audience

>>16029934
you don't. the contracts are a good idea. very low mass but they will pay enough between themsevles to fund basically the whole mission.

>>16029933
Good riddance. I hate art niggers, programmers can just get a job with AI accelerating the art niggers job loss. Art niggers will be destitute too because theyre all too stupid to do any sort of actual mathematically inclined job so I wont be getting them in spaceflight sector. Overall AI has the positive impact of making super high quality shit for me at a low price, eliminating artfag jobs and putting them on welfare, causing impotent tranny seethe, and making my life a little easier.

>>16029934
well since most of the commerical lunar traffic is for landers then i'd focus on making lunar gps so the lander companies want to buy your service to reduce the chance that their lander crashes. you can add other features onto the satellites for additional revenue streams like cameras for mapping landing sites and providing imagery of the landers from orbit. landers could also upload extra data to your satellites for additional data processing. you can also act as relay satellites for landers that dont have direct line of sight communication with earth.

>>16029947
all those millions of people on wellfare isnt sustainable though. the average person is to retarded to work in a post AI society. either there will be some sort of universal basic income or some kind of breakdown of society.

Rewatching IFT-1 and IFT-2 (monthly tradition at this point), I fucking love this rocket so much bros. BRING ME IFT-3 IM TIRED OF WAITING ELON

>>16029952
Nothing beats the first time I have to say but I still feel a shock through my entire body when that launch happens, I love having this autistic passion so much.

>>16029950
Or various events are manufactured to reduce the number of worthless eaters. MAD could be out the window soon if they use starship to do brilliant pebbles and that puts a good old fashioned industrial meat grinder back on the table.

>>16029837
see
>>16028961

>>16029956
nah we need lots of colonists for space

>>16029956
Why are you so obsessed with brilliant pebbles.

>>16029961
i agree but why are you obsessed with dicks.

>>16029965
I'm not that guy, he's insane. Call it starlink+interceptors if you want, doesn't change the fact it will be very possible with starship and being able to neutralise ICBMs is a tremendous advantage.

>>16029941
Did they ever explain why H3 whistled so loudly as it blasted off into space? I do not remember past H2 launches having a loud whistle.

>>16029963
We don't need useless bottom feeders that will do nothing at most but pushbroom the cafeteria, we need actual useful people on these colonies like Starship repairmen, botanists to grow food, clean room workers, hab constructors/operators, etc.

Also I just blasted my ears out rewatching IFT-2

>>16029987
so we need eugenics but also increasing the birth rate at the same time

>>16029998
I never said that dont put words in my mouth. Do you think I'm the anon you replied to before? Because I'm not and didnt read his message

>>16030014
I said it

>>16030015
Well what do you do with joggers then

>>16030018
you could apply the same eugenic method to them, for example if you had some cutoff IQ level you would still have them procreate as well due to the normal distribution
or you could ignore them
incentivize high achievers and so on to procreate, dissuade low achievers from doing so, you can be completely colorblind

>>16029998
Yes. Space is a place where natural selection takes place because of the harsh environment and less opportunities to get basic resources, Earth right now is a rainforest or coral reef where most every person could survive despite not being very competitive because the sheer amount of resources and niches to occupy. Colonies would be more like the poles, deserts or arid mountains with far fewer niches available, forcing people to adapt or die

>>16029970
Mad would still exist without ICBM's. SLBM's/ SRBM's are much harder to intercept from LEO. There is also the possibility of putting warheads on cruise missiles. There is also that idea of having autonomous underwater or surface vessels with multi megaton warheads to basically rinse their coastal cities in a small tsunami of radioactive seawater. There are tons of cool things we could do with nukes that brilliant pebbles can't touch

>>16030036
Noone’s gonna use them though, because everybody with nukes understands and tries to maintain the fact that nukes are scary and their deterrence factor is their most valuable trait

Any interesting flights in sight or should I check into /sfg/ in another week?

>>16030022
mate fuck me if I could survive in a coral reef bro

also
>he thinks coral reefs are a harsher environment than for animals living at the poles.
Coral reefs might just have more competition and predators etc. It's hard to say that living in one environment or the other is harder for the creatures.

did you fags miss the juicy details on rocket factory augsburg? The madlads are building their stage with a company that makes tanks for brewing beer.
https://europeanspaceflight.com/has-the-rfa-one-maiden-flight-slipped-to-q4-2024/

>>16029502
Photons have momentum. Go do your special relativity homework.

Photon drives are a theoretical thing. They're literally the most efficient in terms of delta V they can be (assuming c is a fundamental limit and no new physics), but they have incredibly incredibly low thrust. Some idea of an advantage of being able to 'refill' 'reaction mass' en route instead of needing to carry it all from the start of the journey and cheat the rocket equation, similar to solar sails (which use the same photons-have-momentum idea, actually) and hydrogen ramjets, but in deep space you're probably not going to be generating much energy from solar, and deep deep space is the only place where the high delta V/low thrust trade-off makes any sense at all.

>>16030092
the evolutionary pressures are going to be different

>>16030109
absolutely based

https://twitter.com/OliverNerd7/status/1750155910536695875
> SpaceX has submitted the IFT-2 mishap investigation and a request to modify Flight 3’s lisence!!