/sci/ - Science & Math

https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1753492142201475570

>>16009209

SpaceX is finished. this is a graveyard of steel TRASH CANS.

Ayo someone mentioned a dep*t, where is it?

>>16009214
outside

https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/02/rocket-report-spacex-at-the-service-of-a-rival-endeavourgoes-vertical/

Small Rockets
>Virgin Galactic flies four passengers to the edge of space
>Iran launches second rocket in eight days.
>Rocket Lab's first launch of 2024
>PLD Space wins government backing.
>Japanese launch startup sets a date

Medium Rockets
>Falcon 9, meet Cygnus.
>ESA gives “go” to dismantle Ariane 6

Heavy Rockets
>Starlab to launch on Starship.
>Owning Starship
>Endeavour goes vertical.

https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/02/daily-telescope-a-wolf-rayet-star-puts-on-a-howling-light-show/

https://europeanspaceflight.com/european-made-3d-printer-will-be-the-first-to-print-metal-in-space/

>>16009228
starship RTLS fixes this

>>16009212
Dry mass on the giant steel trash can is terrible it cant even get to TLI without multiple refuels

>>16009206
World's largest game of 10 pin bowling

>>16009232
We are still stuck in last century until we build a Mass driver

>>16009238
>psst, hey kid. Wanna buy couple tons of rocket fuel???

>>16009244
what is that bullshit? I was told a launch loop is the thing we ought to build first and it would have to be many orders of magnitude larger than w/e that is

>>16009244
>launching two at once, reducing the acceleration
>if the front one encounters a problem and has to stop, tough shit the other is going to come slamming into your engines
i hate artists' concepts i hate artists' concepts

>>16009244
These were not even going to space

I want to sniff her stinky sock so bad bros

>>16009219
WHY IS THE SHUTTLE COVERED IN SHIT?

>>16009244
WHY IS THIS NEEDED?

>>16009248
>>16009252
Because that mass driver got taken over, and your mission was to stop them from reaching their destination

>>16009258
Yes

Good morning /SFG/, can't wait for Papa Elon to explode 33 more expensive rocket engines and then take his scam company public so you seals can cash him out of his failure....again.

What planet should we invade and install Taylor Swift as the God Emperor of all mankind? Saturn?

>>16009263
we're all very excited

I HATE STARSHIP. OR AS WE CALL IT, SHITSHIP.

>>16009275
Did we ever find out what happened to 2nd stage?

Bros I am looking at high altitude clouds right now and they seem to be moving pretty fast. How come we can't get a wind turbine up there, lots of energy potential

https://twitter.com/VickiCocks15/status/1753761819179536498
> Big news this morning!! B13 is now STACKED in MB1!

>>16009280
HOLY SHIT

>>16009280
Vicki cock reveal soon?

>>16009277
Vented oxygen which exploded and then the automatic FTS activated

>>16009283
how can it explode

>>16009277
The liquid oxygen purge got oxygen entrained inside the engine skirt, which ignited with the methane that leaks out of the engines. The fire caused the engines to fail short of orbital velocity and the automatic flight termination system activated.

hard to believe there can be a lot of gas entrained under there when they're at such a high altitude.

>>16009284
Methane rich exhaust? Idk
They vented a lot of it due to using oxygen as a payload simulant

>>16009288
You get a low pressure zone that's locked in place by the high pressure exhaust flow from the engines.

>>16009206
Do you think we could rebuild Tenochtitlan in geosynchronous orbit

I love Starship because even if reuse is dropped entirely, an expendable Starship still gets more payload to trans-lunar injection than SLS Block 2, at a cost 1/10th as much, and is capable of supporting over 10x the flight rate :)

>>16009312
You're wrong.Vulcan is extremely high energy

>>16009002
>unfathomable size
It's like a little baby. Watch this. Could easily not fit between us and Andromeda and more too

>>16009312
Given that SLS flies once every two years, that'd only be 5/year. That's not SpaceX's flight rate, that's the FAA's flight rate.

>>16009322
>That yellow smear in the middle is extremely big
I wonder what people living 2000 years ago would think about this?

>>16009326
I said "over 10x", to capture that fact :)

>the FAA is slowing down SpaceX conspiracist is back

>>16009219
>California African []
Oh god whatever this exhibit is, we're going to lose a third shuttle

>>16009337
Go back to /pol/ racist fuck

>>16009337
It's an Africa tier vehicle anyway
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0h_cqTCT5g0

>>16009337
>...Americans
I presume. Disgusting show of intersectionality.

QI bros... A month ago a was measuring the TLE data for the bary-1 satellite using a python package called SGP4 I got an apogee of 530~ km, TLE data is accurate within 1km. Today I watched it rise on the link in the post and it maxed out a 536.05km which is 5km higher than I measured earlier this month and it's above the error margin too.
https://www.n2yo.com/?s=58338&live=1

It's real bros.

>>16009352
if QI is real why does it only interest schizoposters

>>16009356
The guy behind quantized inertia theory is a chud so he got excommunicated from society. We reasonable people know that someone else's beliefs don't affect their ability to do physics.

>>16009350
>that pic
Someone who wins government contacts for aerospace is wealthier than singers, songwriters and TV personalities. You don't say?

>>16009358
If it pans out I'll give you credit for believing first. But if the orbital demonstration is up there and functioning as expected, why can't I read about it anywhere but /sfg/ and schizo blogs?

>>16009372
>why can't I read about it anywhere but /sfg/ and schizo blogs?
this question always stumps conspiracy theorists

>>16009371
He got rich before the contracts, shillkike.
>and inb4 emerald mines
now gb2/biz/

>>16009372
IVO is really quiet about it and there is hardly any coverage on it. This is the most recent mention I could find and the last articles were around when it was launched. https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2024/01/what-we-still-would-not-know-if-ivo-quantized-inertia-drive-works-in-orbit.html

>>16009371
All those people are billionaires.
The way you wrote it makes them sound middle class.

>>16009371
well those are the richest Africans. It's not some arbitrary selection

>>16009356
jews or something idk

>>16009382
Well maybe africans should get into some field that's not entertainment

>>16009387
minstrel shows are a cornerstone of american culture

>>16009387
With the recent anti affirmative action laws this will never happen.

>>16009385
It is clear some people are doing all they can to keep humanity from reaching the stars.

>>16009378
nextbigfuture.com reeks of schizo blog

>>16009337
>buran_graffiti.jpg
TOTAL
NIGGER
DEATH

>>16009372
It's a sub payload on a tiny cubesat on a SpaceX Transporter mission testing a theory that most have never heard of because the men behind it are turbochuds (McCulloch) and goofy evangelical pastors (Mansell, CEO of IVO). The only government agencies paying attention to it glow in the dark. Even industry types like Hullo barely know it exists. /sfg/ is unironically leading edge here.

>>16009396
how can you tell if someone is schizophrenic by reading their blog?

>>16009408
very easily

>>16009408
>he doesn't have the government supplied schizodetector and tracker

>>16009337
It's in Los Angeles

>>16009448
>built from concrete and bricks to avoid arson

>>16009408
you can tell by reading someones 4chan post most of the time. neurodivergence leads to particular patterns in speech. Schizos ramble to an uncanny length, and autists write in stunted sentences using words which are too big. Guess which one I am?

>>16009451
I always recognize a fellow autist but I am less familiar with schizos though.

>>16009451
Found the redditor

>>16009451
You’re worse than the tumblr girls who think their self autism diagnosis gives them the skills to diagnose others.

>>16009451
The extra chromosome'd

>>16009460
>>16009469
>>16009470
t. butthurt schizos
I'm watching you by the way.

>>16009453
they write lots without saying much, and they get mad quickly if you don't follow their ramblings. There is a lot of overlap between schizo and shitposter, both write utter nonsense and accuse others of being a fed, but the schizo will effortpost more than the shiposter due to genuine mental illness

>>16009483
describing yourself, stfu please

>>16009210
whoa

>>16009408
Do you know maid anon?

>>16009263
Post less faggy, please

Could you live in here with a few other people for a week?

>>16009352
>535km

Huh, I saw it reach max apogee at 530km yesterday
>>16008096

>>16009539
I checked today and you're right it reached 535km over Antarctica this time, weird, should the point of apogee change that fast and over that much of a distance without throost? Possible explanations could be atmosphere expansion from solar wind flux but I don't think those would raise the apogee, other anon mentioned precession in the last thread but again shouldn't raise apogee. Orbital period remains same at 95 minutes though.

Is something actually going on here? Either its the sat acting funny or n2yo

>>16009538
Only if a qt3.14 sat above me

>>16009538
I bet that once the seats and IVA suits are stowed and put away there's a greater perception of space in there than in the Dragon capsules because Orion is wider, looks really comfy and spacious, especially so in microgravity where you can just hang out anywhere at the sides

>>16009538
>Could you live in here
Indefinitely
>with a few other people
No, my hab get out

For those interested /sci/ plays against /d/ shortly >>16009501

>>16009538
imagine you're stuck in here and the screaming child in the row behind you keeps kicking your seat

>>16009555
airlock

>>16009541
>>16009539
Notably the perigee hasn't changed on n2yo, it's still 509.6km

>>16009538
if you give me money

>>16009372
>why can't I read about it anywhere but /sfg/ and schizo blogs?
https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=60008.0
https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=59047.0

new hullo
>The Strange History of Advertising In Space
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IE0WyH15BCQ

>>16009597
Why are they seething over commercialization activities in space? Just a nonsense commie shit?

>>16009589
you get a few days worth of your regular space force salary

>>16009296
will it come with daily human sacrifices?

>>16009622
no (earthers aren't people)

>>16009482
>I'm watching you by the way.
based schizo agitator

>>16009330
>Super Heavy boosters for the next three flights, with a fourth ready to stack, in the Starbase megabay

Yeah, SpaceX is definitely the bottleneck here.

>>16009719
Neither of those is ready to fly
I think this year rocket readiness will match up pretty well with the 5 per year limit, if they don't manage to raise they'll probably exceed it in readiness next year.

>>16009708
*alligator

>>16009244
This is from 5, yeah?

In space propulsion belongs to the chuds. First McCulloch, now Mueller.

https://twitter.com/lrocket/status/1753876785044086856

>>16009244
>take all the negatives of HL from an aircraft and dial them to 11

>>16009772
Mueller has been a clear case for some time. I wouldn't predict that the rasta VP of raptors is a chud. But who knows.

>>16009772
HAHAHAHA This is gonna get the most annoying part of spitter (leftists, progressives, all the ones on the left of this image) seething and crying

>>16009772
>>16009781
lmao what was I saying, dude even has he/him in bio

>>16009781
>>16009784
Talking about Mueller is fine. This is cringe however.

>>16009352
>>16009541
Nope. Still falling like a brick according to NORAD. Trying to look at single insteantaous measurements is just stupid.
You were literally saying the same thing 2 weeks ago, nothing was happening then and nothing is happening now.

https://celestrak.org/NORAD/elements/graph-orbit-data.php?CATNR=58338

>>16009791
>black line still going down
it's over

>>16009791
Chud is right again:
>Nothing ever happens.

>>16009772
Applying to varda right now

>>16009772
Based

When is it looking like IFT-3 will be? 4cuck is making me do 6 Captchas in a row and also making me wait a full minute to make my first post of the day...

>>16009772
Reported to the department of labor.Recommend all of you do so as well

>>16009855
its not elon musk so they will not care

>>16009855
Sorry I'm just going to apply to Varda instead.

>>16009857
Eh long husk

>>16009857
If Varda goes under, SpaceX loses a customer. It hurts Musk too, who knew Nazis of a fascist feather flock together

>>16009861
I'd love to pin you on the ground and then teabag you resulting in a nice warm cuppa - fagt

>>16009275
>the inner 3 sea level raptors gimbaling in after separation
hhhhhnnnnnNNNNGGGHHH

>>16009854
Mid to end of february, so two weeks
When the ship and booater get tansported to the pad you know its close (probably)

>>16009244
>stuck
you wish.
nobody now can currently accomplish what 20th century chads did

>16009865
>16009860
ChatGPT is back, fuckin hate B*rkun so much

>>16009878
*black
niggertier AI

>>16009871
how badly is it going to fail this time?

>>16009791
What is going on with the perigree line?

>>16009885
its just precession
>>16008104
>>16008180

Voyager 1 is only10 AU away from being one light-day away from Earth

>>16009919
Thought that puppy was dead?

Who is the girl from planetary society with the sexy gaptooth?

I need to listen to Marcus House at 0.75 because I think he speaks too quickly. He constantly jumps to a new topic right when I'm still contemplating what he just said.
Thank you for reading.

>>16009928
This one?

>>16009885
It's not perigee, it's argument of perigee, also known as "where is your perigee"
Same effect that's bending the orbit like that is moving the RAAN which is "where do you cross the equator"

>>16009941
Yes what is her name and instagram

>>16009882
they have probably solved the after flip engine light up issue if it was due to damage to the tanks with the booster, so I wouldn't be surprised if the booster is actually able to do a boostback and water landing, or at least a boost back
starship will reach orbit because they won't do the same oxygen venting -> explosion mistake again
hard to say about the de-orbit burn test, will probably work
doors might work
tank-to-tank cryo test within starship will be impossible to tell until the talk about it, not much is known about it so hard to say what counts as a failure or success if they are just looking at what some system does and then iterate from there
tiles fell off during the previous launch and I'm not sure if the ship for IFT-3 is going to use a new method for tile attachment, there was something like that coming up with some ships
so not really sure about if it will burn up in the atmosphere or not

>>16009538
Yeah but i’d prefer an all-guy crew like the Apollo era

>>16009992
>doesn't want to see zero-g booba

gaaaaay

>>16010000
Seeing is one thing. Being trapped in a small space with one or more women and a broken dick (apparently erections do not work in zero-g) is hell.

>>16010000
Idk, it’s one thing to be on the space shuttle / ISS for a few days/weeks. I don’t think I’d want to hang around an Orion / Gayway Station with females.

>>16010003
>>16010004
Lotta coping gays here in this gen huh

>>16010000
have you heard women speak? its infuriating to listen to

>>16010010
Not if they're cute or attractive

>>16009781
It's almost sad to watch the young ones acknowledge there is an illegal immigration crisis but are conditioned to think discussing it in any way makes you a right wing nazi.

>>16010017
no, those can be fucking shrill and annoying too

>>16010029
So can men

https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1753867550377889892

>>16010050
Yeah but at least men have big hard throbbing cocks hard as rocks

>>16010050
of course but I would say there is a substantial difference in frequency

>>16010054

>>16010060

>>16009945
>a new method for tile attachment, there was something like that coming up with some ships
Can you elaborate? I don't remember seeing anything about this

So is plasma magnet a just? Last I heard the fall off rate of the magnetic scam swirl is so steep that it's basically useless

>>16009597
Not watching the video, but did he include that dildo advertisement on a Japanese rocket?

Also pretty funny that searching "dildo advertisement on a Japanese rocket" on Bing gave me pic related, but looking it up on Google gave me New Sheppherd lmao.

Bill nye should replace zubrin as our mascot

>>16010083
If the fall off rate is 2 instead of 1 its still better than ion engines, electric sails, solar sails, etc
>wow we reached Jupiter in 3 months instead of 30 days what a big deal

So yeah its still not given the proper attention it needs, first to figure out whether it even will work in space as expected

>>16010067
i tried to google it a bit but couldn't find it in a few seconds and don't really know much about the new system
only that its new

after some more googling I found this, that is a few months ago though

https://twitter.com/LabPadre/status/1732419872079204851
> New in the Ring Yard: A test barrel with what appears to be pins arranged for much smaller TPS tiles. Current theory is that these might be placed over the ship section seams instead of using glued-on tiles.

if you zoom in on the left side you see those metal hexagons as well so maybe that is some new thing too

No one is going to be 2 years in space just to go to Mars and die at landing,
The only way to Mars is nuclear propulsion

>>16010157
You might be confusing the launch window frequency (~26 months) with actual time it takes to get to Mars with chemical rockets
its not 2 years, nuclear propulsion won't be much faster

>>16010116
That's bad...

>>16010166
why? I'm sure this isn't the second iteration of tile attachment at this point could be something like the fourth

>>16010116
So they finally gave up, huh?

>>16010168
>>16010166
like iteration is how they become so good

>>16010170
Theyve had years to fix the tiles, it's gotten worse...

>>16010168
more tiles = more work

Fuck...

>>16010174
this is not how you get the job done....look at china if you want a future

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZRH8I0h6J4
> Ship 28's Raptor Engines Removed | SpaceX Boca Chica

>>16010171
no they haven't retard

>>16010172
if it working requires more tiles, who cares
that can be iterated upon in the future more and seems something a robot would be able to do in the future after they decide upon an actual reliable method

>>16010116
Interesting, thanks for looking it up

>check elons twitter after a few months
holy fucking shit, he has gone insane

>>16010087
tenga are a fake vagina not a dildo

>>16010171
>it's gotten worse

How so?

>>16010191
Full on Nazi. Just retweets alt right fasvist fake news constantly. he spends every waking hour boosting fox news propaganda, he's basically turning into zubrin and howard hughes combined

>>16010006
I went to an all-guys private high school. It was weird for like one month, but you get used to it pretty quickly. That type of environment just seems way better for cramped spaces and long-duration missions. Nothing against women but I’d either want to fuck them all (a la Antarctica bases, everyone apparently fucks eachother like rabbits) or I’d be grossed out smelling unwashed female astronaut cooch for 40 days

>>16010211
There are rumors the aroma is...irresistible

HEARD THERE'S A HOLY YELLOW SKY
JUST MAKE SURE YOU CLOSE YOUR EYES

Why have there never been long term psychological and sexual studies with cramming astronauts in a tin can for years? We need to fund this.

>>16010205
>>16010191
Fuck off leftcels

>>16010265
Elmo's brain has rotted completely

>>16010261
There have

>>16010267
he is winning over the right side, which will most likely win the next presidential election with Trump
as a centrist he can always start supporting democrats again after they become a bit more reasonable

https://www.chron.com/culture/article/spacex-beach-closures-lawsuit-18644392.php

SpaceX opponents get a win in key fight against beach launches

Environmental groups who have opposed SpaceX’s activities in South Texas have notched a win in a key fight.

On Thursday, Texas’ 13th District Court of Appeals ruled in favor of SaveRGV, the Sierra Club and the Carrizo/Comecrudo Nation of Texas in a challenge to a 2013 state law authorizing beach closures for space flight activities. The groups argued the law goes against the Open Beaches Amendment to the Texas Constitution, noting that county and state officials have allowed Boca Chica Beach to close for hundreds of hours a year.

Under the Texas Open Beaches Act, the public has the free and unrestricted right to access state beaches.

>>16010205
Biden's home state just fucked him out of a $55Bn pay package, after it had fully vested, and made it so that the last 5 years of his efforts at Tesla where he slept on the factory floor, basically was all for free. Coupled with all the other regulatory harassment borne of Biden's famous "maybe Elon Musk should be looked into" statement during a press conference, and its obvious that Elon's out to fuck over Biden. He's never taken kindly to bullying, and after all the repeated snubbing by the Biden admin to Tesla, stolen credit by promoting GM as the EV leader, the Mary Cummings NTSB appointment to try and fuck over Tesla's autonomy lead through an obvious conflict of interest; the HLS nonsense.

Musk's success with Tesla and SpaceX is a direct counterpoint to Biden's ethos of why the US needs unions and incremental/steady-state progress instead of exponential and meritocratic driven jumps instead.

So this conclusion was all but inevitable.

>>16010272
Source?

>>16010277
>which will most likely win the next presidential election with Trump
LMAOOOO

>>16010288
The state of Texas could take over the beach area behind Starbase as government land, and then lease it out to SpaceX on a 10y lease or so in return for increased tax revenue from the corporation or something to solve the problem.

>>16010205
>he's basically turning into zubrin and howard hughes combined
Fucking awesome

>>16010297
so what are your odds?

>>16009275
Celestial.

>>16010297
Problem is that Trump doesn't have to win, he can readily lose; but if enough states refuse to certify Biden's win within and instead shift the electoral college to Trump instead; then the inevitable constitutional crisis will force the presidency to the speaker of the House. Which currently is Mike Johnson.

As I understand it, even if Biden wins the presidency by vote count, if the EC votes aren't locked in AND the final tally isn't certified, then he has to leave office at the end of his term. Which is what the GOP appears to be banking on. Create a crisis that removes Biden from the office, and allows the SoH to dictate who the next president is

>>16010299
Tesla might incorporate in Texas which would bring a bunch of tax revenue, 0.75% of gross revenue is taxed and Tesla had like 95bil revenue in 2023, which is only going to increase

>>16010297
You have one year.

Is there a way to read NIAC final reports? There's one from 2022 that I want to read but I can't find anywhere were reports are made available, not even old ones.
https://www.nasa.gov/general/breathing-mars-air-stationary-and-portable-o2-generation/
It's about using temperature swing adsorption to recover the minute amounts of free oxygen in Martian atmosphere. The author specializes in adsorption surfaces for various gases.

>>16010308
You chuds tried this one before and got soundly beaten

>>16010309
But that's Tesla, not SpaceX. The issue with the beach is with SpaceX and Starbase. So even with the increase in tax revenue from Tesla, legally, that cannot have a material benefit towards SpaceX. Also, I doubt Abbott would grease the wheels that much.

>>16010312
The difference between 2020 and 2024 is that you have the Texas border situation where some 23 states have all signed letters in support of. Which means come election season, statistically, its more than likely that half these will refuse to certify Biden's EC wins.

In any case, I don't want Trump to win; but I'm not a fan of Biden either. It'd be nice if voting for a president wasn't a choice between two geriatrics a decade or so from death's door.

>>16010319
You can vote for RFK Jr, who is also a geriatric

>>16010314
legally, please
it will increase the good will of Texas towards Musk and Musk will get political influence due to that
don't be naive
Musk being seen as a great asset to Texas in general will make decisions toward him more favorable, people might listen to him more and so on
like actually believe that it is important for them to be able to launch, it will benefit the texas economy etc

>>16010324
lel

>>16010325
I'm aware. I just mean that Abbott has to weigh supporting Elon and Tesla more than he can support Trump, who's gone on record that if he wins the second term, he'll pass legislation to try and destroy the budding EV sector in the US. Abbott will outlast Trump, but he has to survive the next 4 years--as Trump's entire ethos for his 2nd term is revenge and not actual anything substantial policy wise.

A vindictive man with ultimate power makes for a difficult person to reason with.

>>16010329
>he'll pass legislation to try and destroy the budding EV sector in the US
really? I thought it was just about cancelling IRA
Tesla doesn't it, it helps yes but they don't need it

>>16010329
>Trump's entire ethos for his 2nd term is revenge

>>16010329
>A vindictive man with ultimate power makes for a difficult person to reason with.
Maybe next time don't offend him by falsifying the election, then alienating the public so they vote him back in no matter what you try

>>16010335
Spaceflight is political

>>16010332
Cancelling the IRA won't really make a difference for stopping the electrification conversion. Biden's play with it was ineffectual because he wanted a charging network that doesn't use Tesla's standard to take over and push Tesla into a corner. Instead, the industry threw their weight behind Tesla's NACS offering and made announcements one after the other to integrate with the supercharger network--making him and his transport secretary look like tonedeaf stooges who keep betting on the wrong technology and wrong team.

So even if the IRA goes away, Tesla's countrywide supercharger network exists; and any new EVs that come out in 2025 onwards will be NACS only. But Trump's comments on all this are hostile to EVs in general--and while Tesla has the capital and the stacked deck intelligence to navigate this easily. Abbott doesn't. He's just a politician. He can be voted out easily. So he's got to juggle what he wants for Texas vs keeping in Trump's good graces, because otherwise he'll be ex communicado and that's basically the end of your career in the party.

>>16010336
Trump in 2024 is a little whiny bitch. I liked him better in 2016.

>>16010339
Unless you sit to the left of the président, your opinion does not matter to me

>>16010346
Go back to Mexico.

>>16010343
>haha yeah he's being persecuted like a Soviet dissident but it's lame that he says anything about it
>>>/lgbt/

>>16010347
And like him, you're a whiny little bitch too.

>>16010342
I know and I agree
Tesla doesn' need IRA, so Trump or republicans voting it down does not really matter too much
but what do you mean hostile in general? do you have anything specific? because the first comments you made made it sound like Trump would basically ban EVs, but that is not my impression at all
he would just perhaps delete IRA, maybe walk back some EPA stuff
it might slow down EV adoption somewhat but even that might not be true
Teslas are bought because they are great cars, not because they are EVs specifically

>>16010350
>but what do you mean hostile in general?
Its hard to qualify this because he's stated, as you mentioned, that he'll roll back Biden's IRA. Beyond that, very briefly, he and Elon did have a spat on Twitter or Twitter/Truth Social. So its not clear to me if Trump is over that or continues to hold that grudge and would use his power as president to fuck with Elon and Tesla/SpaceX as a result. He was fully in support of the two during his first term, but a lot has changed since.

>>16010180
I wonder what the minimum time between launches would be? assuming it goes perfectly and they don't need to fix anything or do a lengthy mishap investigation
they could start spamming these

>>16010347
What does Mexico have to do with the French Revolution? Nothing.

>>16010357
who cares.

>>16010104
Plasma sails will be relegated to secondary propulsion like spinnakers once the QI drive is proven.

>>16010350
He's said repeatedly at rallies he's against mandates, not the existence of the technology. If EVs can be destroyed by removing mandates and subsidies they deserve to be destroyed.

>>16010319
The republicans are not going to solve the border. We're facing issues because the republicans never did anything to address the problems that existed for decades before Reagan became governor.

The last republican president to balance the budget was President Eisenhower, meaning not a single baby boomer republican president has ever balanced the budget.

Trump did this.

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/crime-and-courts/2017/12/20/president-trump-commutes-sentence-sholom-rubashkin-ex-iowa-slaughterhouse-executive/971291001/

In a statement, the White House said the decision, which is not a presidential pardon, had bipartisan support from leaders across the political spectrum, such as House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-California) and Orrin Hatch (R-Utah). Trump's action does not vacate Rubashkin’s conviction and leaves his term of supervised release and a restitution obligation, the White House said.

Rubashkin, a 57-year-old father of 10 children, oversaw operations at Agriprocessors, a large kosher meatpacking plant owned by his father in the northern Iowa town of Postville. The plant was raided by agents with U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement in May 2008, leading to the arrests of nearly 400 Mexican and Guatemalan immigrants who were living and working in the country without authorization.

>>16010353
It's a long way from
>he'll pass legislation to try and destroy the budding EV sector in the US
to
>very briefly, he and Elon did have a spat on Twitter
>its not clear to me if Trump is over that or continues to hold that grudge and would use his power as president to fuck with Elon and Tesla/SpaceX as a result
So why don't you admit that your crippling TDS is ruining your life

>>16010360
Given how poorly all non-Tesla EVs seem to be doing, you probably could kill all of them by doing that

>>16010346
>président
¿?

>>16010360
>once the QI drive is proven.
Tick tock, schizos. The perigee keeps dropping.

>>16010365
I don't have to, Trump is deranged enough.

>>16010357
no less than the minimum time that constitutes "it's so over"

>>16010353
Trump talked shit about Vivek as well, but that was just a way to get people voting for him instead of Vivek
and when Vivek conceded in favor of Trump, they are best friends again
its just politicking, I wouldn't read too much into it
Musk unbanned Trump on twitter and hasn't really talked much shit about him other than saying Musk thinks climate change is a real threat (which I guess could be seen as shit talking)

>>16010373
Trump announce that he has a jewish grand baby at the AIPAC convention

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-stands-israel-daughter-beautiful-jewish-baby/story?id=37825989

-- GOP Front Runner Donald Trump told the annual AIPAC convention that he will stand with Israel if elected President and even told them that his daughter is "about to have a beautiful Jewish baby."

https://youtu.be/FiO7Vyq8Rn8

Some good posts from the Best Korean space agency's Twitter
I'm phoneposting, somebody grab them for me
https://x.com/NATA_DPRK

>>16010347
>>16010367
>use a single French word
>ameritards reveal themselves
incredible

>>16010390
Just putting a made-up funny hat on the letter "e" doesn't make a word French.

>>16010366
Chevy is at least attempting to bring back PHEVs, which got killed for the usual GM reasons (fucking retarded management, mistiming the market) with the Volt last time. "EV with a small onboard generator to recharge it" kills the range anxiety meme, and battery tech has improved in the meantime.

>>16010205
>nazi
>goes with Ben Shapiro to the holocaust museum
ok

>>16010403
That's a little something you retards know well, it's called "virtue signaling"
>pulls out necklace
>something something to remember the 6 gorillion hostages
Give me a motherfucking break lmao

>>16010408
are you mad that Elon isn't nazi enough for you? lol

>>16010411
He's mad that his argument about Musk being nazi doesn't land. His accusation that anyone who is little to the right of Mao Zedong, Karl Marx and Stalin is considered to be a Nazi

can /pol/ shitters please leave?
trump lost
russia lost
palestine lost

>>16010422
saying Palestine won isn't politically incorrect though

>>16010360
>Plasma sails will be relegated to secondary propulsion like spinnakers once the QI drive is proven.
I've hyped both up and I still think plasma mag sails are more likely to be real, just much harder to test cause it has to be outside of the magnetosphere, cubesats don't tend to fair well that far out

>>16010411
Elon is obviously a Nazi and I want him to quit wasting everyone's time and stop pretending that he's not.

>>16010422
this isn't about 2020 retard, its about 2024
I don't follow this much at all, but it seems Trump is favored to win over Biden right now

https://twitter.com/AndrewYang/status/1753985280707641763
> What’s funny is that Biden folks act like any poll he’s up in is important but then minimize the 71+ polls that have him losing to Trump. If the polls matter, Biden is the wrong candidate.

>what 4 days of no falcon launches does to a general

>>16010435
Elon will NEVER be a national socialist, no matter how badly you want him to be

>>16010426
fare*

>>16010441
Falcon launches don't really seem to be doing much for anyone these days. We're living in a golden age of rocket launches and sometimes it feels like we're back in early 2000s.

Juno came within 1500km of Io on Perijove 58. That's something.

>>16010452
That's how it'll feel once interplanetary passenger flights are routine.

>>16010452
>We're living in a golden age of rocket launches and sometimes it feels like we're back in early 2000s.
That's cause that's where we should've been at that point, instead it took so long to get there, lost decade for real.

What if we kissed on the alcubierre warp drive?

>>16010422
Trump won

based Jim Keller

>>16010422
>russia lost
nice headcanon

>>16010459
where are the right-wingers that support space exploration? every right winger i follow seems to espouse the same schizo nonsense about flat earth or moon landing denial

>>16010463
They are all controlled oppo, whether they know it or not.

>>16010463
Its gonna be hilarious when the evidence of Artemis III happening will be so undeniable and livestreamed constantly/not contested by China etc, and since Artemis III will more than likely include a black man or woman moonwalker they will either have to accept that the first person to really land on the moon was a black person or drop their conspiracy BS and finally accept that 12 mostly Christian white men walked on the moon in the 1960's just to not feel suddenly inferior, and all their flat earth and Apollo hoax bullshit will be dropped just like that

That's what I predict will happen, will be funny as hell to see the shift once they snap to reality.

>>16010463
what do you mean where? like vocally supporting the right?
doing that during the last few years or even going more far back would get you cancelled
with X becoming a free speech platform and the Overton window opening up you will start to see more overtly right wing points because people will be more comfortable to talk about their actual beliefs
you should look up preference falsification if this is a surprise to you

>>16010463
They're building rockets.

>>16010470
moon landing denying is mostly a false flag and well poisoning to make actual conspiracies seem insane too by proximity

>>16010470
Flerfers are not itnerested in discussion or proof. They have a list of well poisoning to go through. When they're not flerfing they're posting about breakaway nazis at the south pole, or that the sun is going to go Micronova, or that Arrests are Coming.

>>16010477
I don't think it is, or if it is then it has suckered in the easily conspiracy minded/susceptible people, those who believe in
>chemtrails
>Q-anon
>Tartaria/mud flood
>ice wall
>hollow earth
>FEMA camps
>Agenda 21
Those are the conspiracies I see promoted aside from flat earth & moon landing denial, basically totally distrust and suspicion of the federal government which includes NASA

>>16010483
they love to ask rhetorical questions and respond with laughing emojis or some generic laughing gif from some boomer movie

>>16010485
>totally normal clips of ISS/Apollo astronauts doing stuff overlaid with laughtracks and clown music

I fucking despise boomer humor so much

>>16010488
its this gif in particular that they love to use lol

>>16010484
>>ice wall
>>hollow earth
These two are incompatible though. Don't you see? It's a miasma of bullshit that no one could actually arrive at on their own. It's there to ruin the discourse.

>>16010484
I don't mean those, they are similar well poisoning
I mean stuff like covid lockdown criticism and it being made in a lab (turned out to be true btw), hunter biden laptop, government collusion to censor conservatives on twitter and so on
these get presented next to your list and then people dismiss them because they think they are similar conspiracies without even entertaining the possibility
i.e poisoning the well by banning discussion of this stuff anywhere but a place which is full with actually insane conspiracy theories

>>16010492
>It's there to ruin the discourse.
Yet they seriously believe it, they hold contradicting worldviews like its nothing

>>16010484
don't forget that they think planes run on free-energy machines or something lol

>>16010494
>Yet they seriously believe it,
How do you know that though
How do you know that they are real people?
Is it because you just find it implausible that agencies would devote resources to spreading pysops?

>>16010492
you ever been on /x/? there is no such thing as incompatibility to these people.

>>16010496
>>16010484
also one I'm seeing more often is that all satellites are actually balloons, ISS is a giant balloon or whatever, lmao

we need to start spamming flerf accounts with gore and cunny and doxx them or something yeah

>>16010502
>doxx them
Not possible. Try it and see. They'll just evaporate into smoke.

>>16010505
this is very kek my fellow 4channer!
-sent from my Samsung

it just goes on and on

>>16010511
you have L skibidi rizz my guy

>Dad, husband, aviation photographer, IT pro & destroyer of flat-Earth delusions. Science-denial, your time is up. Critical thinking is here to stay.

>>16010511
Notice though that you never see these boomers actually coming up with these "memes".
It's not like there was ever a discussion you could see where they went
>hey how did Nixon call them anyway
These things come out of nowhere, with no attribution, always new ones to keep up the psyop.

>>16010513
oops this one wasn't a flerfer

>>16010514
I can believe it's created inorganically, but it definitely spreads organically after the fact

>>16010514
I'm sure you could find the source if you dig hard enough
>ATS or Godlike productions forum
>conspiracy youtube channel
>flat earther tiktok

etc

>>16010511
doesn't this beg the question of what a moon lander SHOULD look like?
how come they never respond to this?

>>16010517
>it definitely spreads organically after the fact
That's certainly true. Not on 4chan so much though. Flerf threads on /pol/ are usually just an OP spamming and everyone else telling him to KYS or getting tied up on knots trying to argue with him.

>>16010519
it should look like this

>>16010463
>every right winger i follow seems to espouse the same schizo nonsense about flat earth or moon landing denial
Those are federal agents, anon.

>>16010524
That's a conspiracy theory.

>>16010519
Dunno but Starship is probably much more what their idea (which is mostly Hollywood) of what a lunar lander should look like, and with Elon claiming that Apollo is real and the moon landings happened, and Starship going to land on the moon multiple times soon I'm sure we'll see this scenario happen eventually >>16010470

It'll end up becoming too fringe to gain traction even among the very fringe, like those who deny nuclear weapons are a thing and were ever used, that one seems too wacky even for most conspiratards and it hasn't gained traction

>>16010525
Right wing pro space accounts do exist, but it's a small demographic. Nerds with graduate degrees tend to naively stick with whatever was popular on campus at the time which has meant shitlibs for anyone who graduated after about 1990.

I swear sometimes I think they're joking

>>16010530
loool
they love to shill the P1000 camera for taking "real" pics of planets but will never ever consider using a telescope
they have to be grifting

Polaris Dawn spacewalk is gonna break flerfer brains

>>16010536
not really
they will just claim its cgi

>>16010538
lol true, the answer to everything they don't understand

Landspace plans on doing a 10km hop of their methalox grasshopper in June.

Really wonder if we could see a Chinese company do a "true" stratospheric or even near-space Recovery trajectory simulation before New Glenn flies and successfully lands

>>16010541
>near-space Recovery trajectory simulation
This is what I wish Starship hops ended on man

Man this is the real shit

Its happening?!
https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/20240000267/downloads/Trent%20MACHETE%20SciTech2024%20Presentation.pdf

>>16010544
hah, good luck landing on >>16010530

>>16010544

>>16010544

>>16010547
really a shame mars is too blurry to land on

>>16010548
>ok we can't propose Starship for political reasons
>but what if... RDRE methalox mini Starship with Shuttle paintjob! :DDDDDDD

what the fuck is this?
can't use Starship, so they use some legally distinct looking thing that has all the features? lmao

>>16010553
Yeah you can't acknowledge Starship openly at NASA, so they make up paper rockets that look exactly like Starship, but which were developed legitimately.

lol

>>16010558
>>16010553
That's obviously not Starship because it has landing legs.

>>16010558
>>16010555
>>16010553
Don't you see the colors?
>white and black
Totally not Starship, anyways that will be $12 Billion pls Congress

>>16010553
they even stick refueling in the mission architecture. it's only an untested risk when spacex does it

>>16010563
Total Democrat Death

>>16010542
In a couple months we’ll have the 10th anniversary of the first F9 ocean soft touchdown, and nobody beside SX would have demonstrated anything similar (new Shepard lacks the horizontal component) in the time

This is one of the most controversial topics in science.

>>16010544
Look at our totally not a starship guise

>>16010567
NTR > Chem > NEP

Not really, its easy.

>>16010205
>Full on Nazi.
>meets with Netanyahu
The light nazi stuff he posts is just to get /pol/like people on his side. He discusses this with Netanyahu and other powerful figures before and that's why he isn't getting much shit for it.

>>16010569
NEP with Chem earth departure is cool for interplanetary travel

I hate the SLS so much it unfucking real.

Pretty sure the Twitter ramblings are because he lost $55 Billion.

>>16010574
unless that planet is Mars

>>16010362
Illegal border crossings were at a record low during the Trump admin my propagandist friend.

>>16010567
>I write "This is one of the most controversial topics in science." while forgetting to quote post
> I actually meant to quote a political post way up this thread
Let's talk about the engines then I guess

>>16010580
Pretty sure he's been bringing attention to the border issue way before the judge ruling.

the vetting test (both psychological and physical) for Mars colonists will be a solo climb of El Capitan. If you can’t do it, you’re not going to Mars

>Wright brother were the first to fly a plane
>meanwhile this German dude 40 years ago:

>>16010588
The engine is normally shaped.
The cowling is different.

>>16010596
I hate it. I think it looks ugly. the whole thing should be a nice smooth circle, or at least an oval

Gonna make a post dissing British inventors in a few hours if I remember

>>16010591
with a safety line isn't that just a matter of endurance and sufficient physical fitness

>>16010598
Why did they make it like that anyway? Some bizarre aerodynamic optimization?

>>16010598
>>16010602
There's no room.
The engines are too big for the low-to-the-ground 737.

>>16010587
Predictable retaliation to a hated president, bozo. Part of your game theory should have been what happens after he leaves office.

>>16010591
I would just climb it from the back side where it's not steep

>>16010605
You pass

>>16010604
that is retarded

https://twitter.com/fotographer/status/1754014296085012670

>>16010607
The retarded is real

>>16010608
Apollo emblem clothing is top tier

>>16010568
ksp2 looking ahhh fuel tanks with the blue paint

How are they launching that totally not starship?

>>16010633
SLS Block 2 (lol)

you think you can break this man? he doesn't give a shit

>>16010638
Imagine the cost especially with refuels

https://spacenews.com/inland-spaceports-seek-ways-to-host-orbital-launches/
> He suggested the Falcon 9, which has had one in-flight failure in nearly 300 launches, might qualify. “Is that routine? It’s getting close in my mind,” he said. “But the community is going to have to decide what that number is.”

>>16010644
If you launched a Falcon 9 inland you could just ship it back to the pad by road instead of needing to bother with a droneship. Might be a useful idea

>>16010644
There has been talk of easterly launches from Vandenberg as well.

>>16010682
>Hey Elon, why did you give the FAA a free Starlink terminal for their headquarters?
>no reason

We need easterly launches from kennedy

>>16009451
>Guess which one I am?
neither as you are a faggot

>>16010644
>even MORE engineers here at WSTF will be sucked over to SpacePortAmerica
lmao

can't say I blame them

Anyone who obsesses over flatcels needs to go back to teddit
>DIS WILL DA FLERFERS ANGEY
>MUH DEMONKKKRATS WILL HATE THIS ONE
>REPUBLICHUDS HAB NO REESPONSE
This is what you sound like. Go back.

2.5 year /sfg/ browser here. Starting my first job tomorrow as a welding robot programmer. Give me your best advice. got the job without prior experience guess they liked me?

>>16010783
kinematics are annoying

>>16010783
As long as you didnt lie or embellish on your resume/interview you will probably get the training you need. If you dont, go ask for it I guess.

>>16010543
Why are there no weather tracking satellites around Venus? Sure, it's very much possible to do, but you need funding for that.

https://twitter.com/imPenny2x/status/1753482478600556659

Interview isaacman that talks about spacex among other things

>>16010840
Looking at the topics list it seems like about half is space related

>>16010783
Make friends at work, show that you're eager to learn.
I bet that you can read about those robots online.

>>16010820
There were at points satellites that were taking pic of Venus. Davinci and Envision might have small cameras too who knows.

>>16010867
>I bet that you can read about those robots online.
Yeah I already started watching instructional videos

>>16009944
learn to use a search engine you lazy zoomoid

>>16009352
>https://www.n2yo.com/?s=58338&live=1
proof or kys faggot, it hasn't moved in months

>>16010644
Are New Mexicans retarded? Duped into building an inland spaceport by a bankrupt company and think 2 million prize will get SpaceX to move there? Uhh first make it legal to fly overland maybe, I'm sure FAA will be receptive. Then add massive incentives, tax breaks.

>>16010644
Scientists have found Earth's pussy

https://www.thespacereview.com/article/4563/1
Boomer replies to this article prove space future is cancelled, let alone inland launch

>>16010927
kek

>>16010783
Buy your own small kit to program to play/learn. Understand the programming logic and 3d space the arm moves in intuitively.

>>16010452

Daily reminder Ares V uses 2 59m (194 ft) solid motors.

>>16010932
Which orbit is q*bert in

>>16010966
(2/2)
watch this without shedding a tear:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpdNFqjfx9I

>>16010644
It's the downrange debris zones, stupid.
>>16010920
The old "oceanfront property in Ariz...er New Mexico" grift.

>>16010974
They played at the same music I would have played for someone making a wood carving of a fat venus in 30,000 BC

>>16010932
>hydrologgs
discarded

>>16010932
the point of LEO mega constellation is low latency
GEO is a lot further than people think, far enough to make light speed a limiting factor
smallsats are a dead fad anyway

also
>fat workshop

>>16009219
>>Iran launches second rocket in eight days.
Fair fucking play

>>16010000
Anon, have you ever lived with a woma?

>>16011007
Does my mom count?

>>16009399
pic related

>>16009555
that's what murder is for

>>16009772
gigabased

>>16009928
sarah

>>16010174
>>16010175
I fucking hate journalist.
It was an over pressure test designed to pop, and it wasn't even made by NASA

>>16009209
>>16009210
>>16009506
>using non aerospace grade material to transport hundreds of people to mars

>>16010548
>lego starship

https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/1754141601251701032
>It's my understanding ABL is working towards a launch at the end of this month or early March. Nothing official yet.

>>16010339
Yes, but not all politics is spaceflightical

>>16011009
No, everyone has lived with her

>>16011020
those non-aerospace grade parts are used in the most reliable rocket in history

>>16011003
>smallsats are a dead fad anyway
wrong
cubesats are the dying fad. everybody has moved to smallsats (dishwasher sized)

>>16011036
Mirroring the trend of spacecraft development that started in the 1950s. New entrants are going to stay small, but with anyone who stays in the industry, they're going to get bigger.

Guys, they are too cure, i don't have the balls to tell them that as soon as i can i will replace them with their silicon based life analog

>>16010477
It's a consequence of having correct intuitions about epistemology but failing to apply them consistently (a hard pill to swallow: almost all "knowledge" almost everyone has about almost everything is much less justified) and failing to reflect on those intuitions and their implications.

>>16011043
Very very cute.

>>16011036
military has the OTV/STP programs
they also can carry a few classified cubesats on the upper stage
civilians have these small rocket lab type launchers for their experiments

>>16010557
>developed legitimately
you could argue for them being developed independently (clearly they're not) but legitimacy is right out

>>16010591
looking forward to the meteoric rise and eventual supremacy of your Martian colony
btw, what's the largest number of people you've successfully lead in a organization?

you eat shit out of a man's ass
>>16011007

>>16011043
Cats are the 22nd century solution to extracolonial rodent problems, they will be worth their weight in gold when mitigating vermin outbreaks

>>16010690
>Starlink terminal
>terminal guidance

>>16010783
>best advice
program welding robots

>>16010886
>instructional videos
don't ngmi yourself
write code and read

>>16010932
>simple
amazing

>>16011056
No, my experience living with women doesn't involve eating shit out of mens asses

>>16011043
"based on what?"
"silicon"

Mueller is racist???
what the heck

>>16011072
Birds of a fascist feather flock together. Why do you think Führer Elon hired him?

>>16011075
Everyone hates niggers these days, it's a simple dice roll

>>16011072
It's funny watching all those faggots on twitter get offended. Who would have thought that engineers don't have left-wing views?

>>16011072
Did he post more than that one response to the Vardafraud tweet?

>>16011083
yeah he sold them engines. retard

>>16011084
kek if you think that makes him a rayciss

I want to blow that NSF egghead's brains out. He is awful interviewing Tom Mueller

>>16010685
If you look there's basically nothing but desert and mountains east of Vandenberg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6Q_WBejr44

This week on Mars Guy, he lays out a convincing argument for TND.

>>16011094
annoying retard