/sci/ - Science & Math

>>15997340
You might be vaccinated, but there's nothing stopping you from not getting your children vaccinated.

>>15997340
It's not, strictly speaking, necessary but it is responsible for a much higher average age and a far lower rate of childhood deaths.

>>15997347
life expectancy is falling and rates of disabilities are going up

>>15997347
It's responsible for chronic illness and disease in kids, you fucking retard.

>>15997347
>it is responsible for a much higher average age and a far lower rate of childhood deaths.
Yeah, that has nothing to do with industrialization and welfare systems and higher standards of living and better refrigeration/food preservation and better medical practices like doctors who deliver babies actually washing their hands with running water rather than using a bowl of still water.

You fucking idiots will just attribute everything to whatever bullshit products you're shilling.

>>15997350
Largely because of eating goyslop and the shit lifestyles most people have today, not because of diseases that vaccines can help with like it used to be.

>>15997351
Not in particularly high rates

>>15997358
>industrialization
Do you mean less manual labor? Yeah, being able to automate work made things physically easier, but the reduction of deaths from diseases that vaccines help prevent is not from reducing manual labor.

>welfare systems
People not starving helps, but vaccines specifically reduce deaths due to diseases which were extremely common in children whose immune systems hadn't had the chance to develop yet, but vaccines helped kids fight off diseases that would have once killed them.

>higher standards of living
Diseases that used to kill are now minor inconveniences, this is not due to increased wealth but due to the fact that vaccines reduce the load on immune systems

>refrigeration/food preservation
I don't need to restate my position on this again

>better medical practices
Absolutely true, being sanitary is important in stopping diseases but once a disease is caught, vaccines lessen the load on the immune system which babies and children are very weak in. That is why it is important to vaccinate babies and children.

>>15997340
yeah

>>15997369
>>15997376
Stupid vaxnigger.

>>15997340

I dunno is tricking a babies immune system into thinking it's infected with 50 different viruses and bacteria a good idea by combining biological material with poisons a good idea?

>>15997340
In a perfect world we would have no vaccines, only cures.

Vaccines are backwards and barbaric just like the rest of the field of """modern""" medicine.

>>15997347
>lower rate of childhood deaths
Show me one European doctor who puts that number of jabs in a baby. Now look up the rate of infant mortality by country.

>>15997340
>>15997346
>>15997376
They are detrimental, because there is a very strong correlation between how well the brain and the immune system work. (retards have poor immune systems) Most of those hardly ever killed, there was something very wrong with you in some other way if you died.

>>15997340
some are some arent. you can skip the covid/flu ones. i wouldnt skip mmr vacine (measels) for example

>>15997555
if your little bitch babby dies in modern care in the 21st century with modern medicine and practices then it was weak to begin with ffs.
Only because shitty people with shitty genetics breed shitty weak humans doesnt mean now I have to inject MY child with chemicals and other inhibitors.
At some point we as a society have to be more spartan when talking about genetics and future offspring.

>>15997347
Have you considered that maybe we should listen to nature when it says "this child should die"?

>>15997376
> vaccinate babies
You discredit everything else you said.

>>15997340
'92 here. I got Hep B, H. influenzae, polio, and DTap in my first couple months of life, as reference for comparison to today's schedule.

>>15997974
Yes but you ended up as a 4chan poster!

>>15997340
umm chuddy stop questioning our Science

>>15997989
Yep, some bulgarian guy that hung out with our friend group showed it to me when I was 14 and I never stopped unfortunately.

>>15997446
Misrepresenting the 70 something vaccines, in fact most children only get around 30 vaccines reduced to roughly 13 to 15 different shots over their childhood with the 6 combo vaccines that were routinely given by the late '50s, most of which were higher in dosis and actually contained heavy metal adjuvants.

But the anti-vaccine movement is state-controlled and an enormous red herring. This has become clear once prominent anti-vaxxers started pushing the idea that ingredients discontinued in the '90swere harming children.

hasn't there been improvements in vaccine administration technology? I'm aware mercury from these shots is the issue

>>15997998
You are here forever.
>>15998249
So they poison people for decades and move on to poisoning them other ways. Interesting.

>>15997594
If we do that, you would have died, anon

>>15998256
The picture implies that the "poisoning" only started recently and that someone older than 35 wouldn't have vaccine injuries which is a stupid thing. Vaccine injuries were more common in the '60s

>>15997350
>there are people who weren't alive in 2020 posting on 4chan

>>15998263
thats not an argument
half of kids used to die, it was better for everyone including the dead kids (life is a curse)

>>15997364
source?

>>15998263
Indeed I would. Hell, go back 60 years and I would've been dead.
Oh no!

>>15997340
>covid-19
>flu
>covid-19
>covid-19
what the fuck

>>15998255

"Improvements" requires studies that show new vaccines are safer than old vaccines with a true placebo control group.
"Safer" requires a study to capture all adverse events over a relevant period of time.

The moment you call side effects "unrelated" based upon no other criteria other than the researcher's judgement, the study is invalid.

Yes, thimerosal (ethyl mercury) is still in flu vaccines. It acts as both a preservative and an adjuvant. Aluminum is still in the DTaP vaccine and the dosage is 45-100x more than the FDA recommended daily guidelines for an infant depending on body weight. Keep in mind, those guidelines are for consumption of aluminum, which typically .1-1% of aluminum remains in the body. An intramuscular injection circumvents the digestive tract and virtually all remains in the body.

>>15997588
get laid

>>15997340
Do you know a better way to turn humans into easy to manipulate morons?

>>15997340
no
humans survived just fine for many thousands of years before shots were invented

>>15997350
Looks like it was lower in 1986

>>15997340
Necessary? No. Helpful? Yes.

>>15997340
depends on who you ask
ask someone who makes money on it or one of their low iq mindslaves and they will tell you it's necessary
ask someone who isn't a jew or one of their goylems and you'll get a different answer

>>15997340
all part of the jew's white genocide agenda

>>15999139
> Graph stops going down after forcing even more useless vaccines
> iT Is hELpFuL gUyS

>>15997376
>Diseases that used to kill are now minor inconveniences, this is not due to increased wealth but due to the fact that vaccines reduce the load on immune systems
>once a disease is caught, vaccines lessen the load on the immune system which babies and children are very weak in. That is why it is important to vaccinate babies and children.
source?

>>15997364
>people had shit lifestyles only in the last 2 years
make humanity a favor and suicide

>>15999139
all of that mortality reduction is due to the availability of antibiotics, vaccines had nothing to do with it

>>15997340
not for the baby, but it is for the stock market's pharmaceutical sector

>>15997364
>vaxmaxxing is good because it's responsible for a much higher average age
>but average age went down since we started
>yeah but that's because of other stuff

>>15997340
most parents only bother getting the first flu vax for their kid
no one gets covid vax
rotavirus is not a real vaccine, its a squirt in the mouth
Hib always gets delayed
RSV vax is optional, and more of an antibody

ENOUGH IS A ENOUGH
I'VE HAD IT WITH THESE MOTHERFUCKING VACCINES IN THESE MOTHERFUCKING BABIES

>>15997350
life expectancy was rising for a century, now its been declining for the past decade.
where did science go wrong?

>>15997340
no

>>16003365
>>15997364
>Sue the death numbers don't support my idea but it's not because of the vaxx/ not thanks to the vaxx
You fag realize you are making the same exact argument on different sides? Can we just admit we don't know instead of pretending we do?

>>16003365
Ah yes, antibiotic’s famously being unavailable in 1986.

>>16005683
It’s still rising in the first world.

>>15997340
lookup rates of child mortality and disability in 1986 and 2024

Daily reminder - the same people saying vaccines should be banned because they’re supposedly poisoning people also think companies should be allowed to sell leaded paint and gasoline again.

>>16007071
None of it seems to have been in our favor. Our health is worse no by every sensible metric.

>>16007599
Left: America before 4chan
Right: America after 4chan

>>15997350
>what is a million extra burgers dying in 2020 from a mild cough because they have all kinds of diabetus, cardiovascular diseases and obesity related complications

>>16007706
the decline in life expectancy noted on that graphic starts in 2014

>>16007708
Only for burgers

>>15997340
1986 baby should be white

What I love about anti-vaxx tards is that they're literally killing themselves.
The problem is self limiting.

Also, just a reminder: Donald Trump used your tax money to pay drug companies to make the COVID vaccine, then he personally signed into law a guarantee that said drug companies are free and clear of all litigation related to harm caused by the vaccines.
Donald Trump did that, he called it Operation Warp Speed and he used your money to do it.

Heh.

>>15997340
>in utero
who in their right mind lets their child go through this in the womb

>>16008078
why?

>>16008257
>>>/pol/

>>16006998
most prescription meds weren't available to poorfags in 1986.

>>15997340
For the last time yes

>>15997340
You do realize that anti-vaxx was started by Orthodox Jews in New York?

>>16010318
no it wasn't

>>15997588
seek help then kys

>>16008257
I support his campaign to vaxx you up. I did not take it. I knew the virus was actually you.

>>16008257

>>16001712
>Graph stops going down
Did you fail 10th grade Real Analysis?

>>16012106
this
vaxing the npcs to death was trumps 9000d chess master stroke

>>15997340
It's sad that people forgot how hostile nature actually is.

>>16001712
yeah the inflection point around 1980 is where it should've stopped

>>15997350
VAAXXXXED

>>15997340
Four covid jabs for a baby. I wonder how many deaths this will prevent, considering how the death-rate of covid for children, or young people in general, is pretty much precisely 0 per 100 000.

The first vaccine trials were carried out by harvard in the 1680s-1690s.

You might have heard of them under a different name though.

The salem witch trials.
A lot of lies are told about what actually happened there but it was basically a medical experiment cover up. just wait and see what they do with covid and the rest

>>16014884
No it isn't.

>>16005683
Science did fine, the issue is economic policy.

>>16014599
I sure hope so

>>15997558
>there is a very strong correlation between how well the brain and the immune system work
Does that mean the brain dead don't have functioning immune systems?

>>16015784
nope, the issue is scientists being dangerously moronic

>>16016556
If you mean literally then no, brain damage doesn't ruin your immune system, the implication may go the other way round, and the bad immune system can make you stupid or crazy. But if you mean like immensely stupid then yes. The typical intelligence rose dramatically after the plague, as it overwhelmingly killed morons, and spared the others.

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>>16005683
>life expectancy was rising
it wasnt a direct consequence of actual technological progress, but energy consumption

>>16018759
It was a product of the reduction in childhood mortality caused by the invention of antibiotics.
People lived just as long 110 year ago, the increase in life expectancy of 25 or so years that was created by antibiotics didn't result in people commonly living to be 110 years old, there were just fewer people dying at 2 years old as a result of antibiotics being available.

>>15997347
remember to get your 5th booster

>>16019693
Flemming singlehandedly saved the lives of literally billions of children and who is it that gets all the fame and acclaim for the wonders of science? Its not Flemming, most people have never even heard of him. All the attention and respect goes to a bunch of jews who never did anything other than spout schizophasiac nonsense. If Einstein had never lived the world would be pretty much exactly the same as it is right now. If Flemming had never lived most of the people reading this board would be in their final resting place having died of strep or some other childhood infection.

>>16020472
One m. Fleming.

>>16020515
should be spelled with a ph and a g, give that he was a doctor

>>16007599
america doesn't have food safety standards

>>16021523
wrong. the federal government scientists make a substantial effort to shut down all production of healthy food in order to assure that nobody has anything available to eat except kosher goyslop

>>16022914
They also try to prevent hunting and fishing

>>15997340
Why is the baby half black

>>16024496

>>16022914
Back in the 20th century they had "Farm Aid" for small farms but now instead we only have "Fed raid" for the same folks

>>15997350
>vaccines cause diabetes
Or maybe it's the 3,000 daily Calories and lack of exercise.

>>15997340
Yes. Don't you know about the horrific infant mortality rates of the 80s?

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>>16028459
Yes, keep guzzling your 2 liter of pepsi and blaming the vaccines.

>>15998249
it was clear antivaxx was controlled when it started trending massively in 2019 to the point where the goyim where frothing at the mouth to force people to get vaccinated even before covid arrived

>>16022914
they do the same thing in cuba

>>16028535
The soiyence religion zealots are always ready to burn heretics at the stake, the entitlement they feel to act on their violent urges seems to be their favorite part of the religion

>>15997340
Is there a single study testing the totacombination of vaccines in the modern childhood vaccine schedule? I don't think there is.

>>16031213
>total combination

>>16031213
Nobody would ever fund a study like that and even if they did it would never get published

>>16008257

>>15997340

>>16032846
that seems like a fairly reasonable statement, we'd all be better off if all of the vax damaged people still had all their IQ points intact instead of being turned into midwits and retards by "medical science"

>>15998341
So you suggest getting vaccines from the same companies that poisoned people in the past.

>>15997340
well, tbqh, the west imported a bunch of unsanitary minoreties into this kids neibourhood. Diseases the west thought it had erradicated decades ago are suddenly making a comeback.
Rather then letting your kid be touched by brownskins you should seclude it in private schools, then only a small amound of vaxes are nessesary

>>15997340
>covid-19 in uterus
>+3 covid-19 within 9 months of being born
Oh no no no...
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

what do you say to a doctor to get some necessary vaccines for your kid without them dosing out 24 in one year, this shit is gonna create some autistics for sure

>>15998341
no they weren't

>>16034380
>+3 covid-19 within 9 months of being born
And Vax AIDS shortly thereafter followed by dying in childhood

>>15997340
thats how doctors make money. going to a doctor and asking him what treatments you need is like going to a restaurant and asking them what food you should order.

>>15997340
No its not

>>16007599
>america before food safety standards
that picture was most likely in the 20s/30s, decades after the FDA was formed.

fucking christ man, is a even 5 second google search too exhausting for rightoids now?

>>15997340
No.

>>15997350
That's how you know it's working.

>>16038702
The more people trust the science the worse life gets for them

>>15997340
bump

>>15997340
it makes big money for the people selling vaccines

>>15997340
I don't doubt vaccines efficiencies but is it really safe to take all those vaccines?

>>16041667
no, it definitely isn't

>>16038660
No it isn't. That's a silent film actress (which means the 20s at the latest), and the FDA wasn't given any major powers until 1938.

>>15997596
>>16001722
I think he's one of those brain-or-body myther.
>we must weaken the body as much as possible, because muh brain.

>>15997340
You do realize that your existence is the proof that vaccines works right?

>>16042141
how come people existed before vaccines did?

>>16043231
science can't explain that, shut up and buy my vaccines goy

>>16007599
>food safety standards are the reason I get fat from eating a mere 20 triple bacon cheeseburgers a day

>>16043790
They literally are.

>>16043231
good point

>>15997340
Anyone with experience in the American medical system knows that everyone is treated as a LCD crackbaby child of drug users that will only see a doctor when they're born because discrimination based on demographics is forbidden. It is also common knowledge that doctors lean on the side of overtreatment not only to bill the insurance but to avoid malpractice suits which can ruin them. Hesitation towards these things are perfectly sensible especially when other developed countries have smaller and more delayed vaccination schedules, e.g. Hep B at birth being recommended for everyone in the US vs. recommended for only specific groups in Europe. Considering how crude and polarized any discussion about vaccines becomes, I wouldn't be surprised if something like multiple safe vaccines being administered on the same day having a unsafe effect could fly under the radar, especially because suggesting this possibility would be pidgeonholed as slander against proven safe vaccines.

>>16042141
Oh really? Explain to me, genius.

>>16045636
The invention of antibiotics is why childhood death became so much less common in the early & mid 20th century, vaccine promoters lie about that and claim that its vaccines which are responsible.

>>16046355
>vaccine promoters lie about that and claim that its vaccines which are responsible.
Vaccines are a lot more profitable because they can force everyone to take them. Antibiotics can only be sold when someone needs them

No. But it is sufficient.

>>16048235
OWNED

>>15997340
If you want your kids to be gay, autistic, weak immunity and onions, go ahead.

>>15997340
BTW all my children are unvaxxed - 15, 12 and 4 years old and they're all healthy and smart. You don't need the "vaccines". Just a heads up because society nowadays seems scared.
I mean, I don't blame them, brainwashing is really effective against the weak-minded.

>>15997340
with an opinion like this, you won't be around long enough for my rebuttal

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>>15997340
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>>15997340
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