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Greenhouse Gas Theories and Observed Radiative Properties of the Earth’s Atmosphere
Ferenc Miskolczi
Member of the Hungarian Academy of Sciences, Budapest, Hungary

https://scienceofclimatechange.org/wp-content/uploads/Miskolczi-2023-Greenhouse-Gas-Theory.pdf (6mb)

>The Arrhenius type greenhouse effect of the CO2 and other non-condensing GHGs is an incorrect hypothesis and the CO2 greenhouse effect based global warming hypothesis is also an artifact without any theoretical or empirical footing.

>Our planet enjoys the stable climate because the hydrological cycle forces the climate system to maintain the chaotic upper tropospheric humidity and wind field, the equilibrium cloud cover and precipitation, and moves the latent heat among the different geological reservoirs ‒ as required by the planetary energetics.

>Any perturbations to the flux optical thickness by non-condensing GHGs will force the hydrological cycle to restore the theoretical equilibrium state. The greenhouse effect predicted by the Arrhenius greenhouse theory is inconsistent with the existence of the Chandrasekhar-type radiative equilibrium. Hence, the CO2 greenhouse effect as used in the current global warming hypothesis is impossible.

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Cool. Spread the word.

>> No.15971586

>blog

>> No.15971588

Let's be honest: not one Anon on /sci/ knows what OP is saying besides the conclusion. We're experts on vaccines, nutrition, psychiatry, astronomy, quantum mechanics and AI but
>Chandrasekhar-type radiative equilibrium
is too much to grasp. Might as well be gundam physics.

>> No.15971872

>>15971541
What they mean by stable equilibrium is that there's climate at all, but CO2 is adding energy to all systems trough reflecting radiation back to space.

tl;dr

Keep pushing less CO2 in atmosphere, and there will be nicer world, because lithium gets cheaper, there will be less smog, more advanced energy technology for space exploration possible etc.

They did not even have there measures that disproves it, they are like totally dumbfuckish propaganda pushed by Arabs sitting on oil reserve.

They don't present whole model by which they calculated what that 23.6% increase in CO2 is responsible for what, it's more complex than you could imagine.

>> No.15973193

>>15971872
>starving all the plants to death will make the world better
no it won't
REDDIT SPACE
>there will be less smog
there already isn't any smog, that problem was solved in the 20th century
REDDIT SPACE
>reeeeeee its a big conspiracy!!!!
https://www.psycom.net/paranoid-schizophrenia

>> No.15973652

>>15973193
I don't visit reddit.

Plants have enough of it.

There is still smog in many countries.

What conspiracy?

>> No.15974013

>>15971541
The global warming hysterics brains are insulated by their ignorance of thermodynamics and physics in general so these types of publications will never get through to them. People who understand the technical details are all already convinced that global warming is a hoax, thats why the big public spokespeople on the topic are people like Greta, Al Gore and other media celebrities instead of people who have the technical training to understand the relevant physics and other underlying scientific principals at play.

>> No.15974018

>>15974013
t. dropout

>> No.15974055

>>15974013
Yes, global warming is hoax, just wait until water heats more and there's no way back.

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>>15971541
this challenges established climate dogma and is therefore a heresy
https://www.bitchute.com/video/8AHkAJrpAxd4/

>> No.15974539

>>15974062
>Bitchute video
Bruh, fr?

>> No.15975356

>>15974539
>video websites that aren't youtube trigger me
why are you even on 4chan?

>> No.15975362

>>15975356
>posting videos from anywhere
Why are you even on /sci/?

>> No.15976715

>>15973652
China managed to solve their air quality problems in Beijing while increasing both automobile traffic and their usage of coal power in the region and that was before China went big into the EV game.

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>> No.15977776

>>15973193
>starving all the plants to death
The plants were doing just fine with CO2 at 280 ppm.

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>>15977776
no they weren't, they were suffering a near starvation diet. no human has ever witnessed plants flourishing at maximum health until recently and even that is only in controlled conditions, greenhouse grow tech wasn't really perfected until this century, its never been witnessed in nature which is where it really counts.

>> No.15979067

>>15979030
>suffering a near starvation diet
Dumbfuck, just because they grow faster with more CO2 doesn't mean they're starving with less. that's not how plants work, they grow at the speed that their environment allows them to. And plants only grow faster with more CO2, not healthier. Stop anthropomorphising plants of all things.

>> No.15980263

>>15979067
>just because they grow faster with more CO2 doesn't mean they're starving with less
yes it does. plants die without enough co2, if they have barely enough they grow stunted due to a near starvation diet same as they do with not enough water. they grow best with over 1500ppm co2

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>> No.15982292

>>15979067
>plants aren't starving with low CO2 levels even though they grow stunted
classic gaslighting

>> No.15983327

>>15982292
They don't grow stunted, retard. You might as well claim that growth hormones are essential nutrients for cattle because they make them grow faster.

>> No.15983806

>>15983327
cattle will grow stunted if you restrict their source of food same as plants will be, they'll also be more susceptible to disease that way same as plants.
why do you hate nature and want to starve it to death? are you part of some sort of insane death cult of something?

>> No.15983904

>>15983806
>Growth hormones are cow food!
Bruh, fr?

>> No.15984862

>>15983904
CO2 isn't a growth hormone in plants, its their food.
You're extremely ignorant about plants.

>> No.15984920

>>15984862
It's not their food it's mearly a way of fixing the energy from sunlight. It's empty calories that makes the plants weaker and less nutritious. What plants actually eat are nutrients like nitrogen, phosphorus, potassium, and in lesser amounts calcium, copper, iron, ect. Besides that, plant growth is regulated by dozens of factors, any of which will slow or stop growth if it is insufficient or outside of a specific range. That means that only plants in highly controlled environments show faster growth from elevated CO2 and outside of farms and greenhouses you will not see additional growth.

You're extremely ignorant about plants.

>> No.15984926

>>15984862
Wrong. Oxygen is the food of plants. CO2 is poison.

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>>15984920
you're just making up lies to justify your fake af global warming superstition

>> No.15986228

>>15986108
You're extremely ignorant about plants, or you would understand all of this.

>> No.15987002

>>15986228
The fact that you need to lie to justify your belief in the global warming meme only proves that there is no honest means of justifying believe in the global warming meme

>> No.15987014

>>15987002
You must be exceptionally stupid to believe a meme like
>co2 is plant food
It's like saying oxygen is animal food...
Holy fuck tardclown central around here. It's just sad at this point...

>> No.15987352

>>15987002
The fact that you don't know anything about plant growth only proves that you should have your head in a book rather than your face in a screen.

>> No.15988006

>>15987014
CO is plant good tho

>> No.15988514

>>15976715
Air quality issues in Beijing always has more to do with the dust storms that blow in from the desert than with any pollution issue. The people who were shilling about pollution in Beijing always knew they were lying about what was causing the air quality problems there. Beijing was known as a magnet for dust storm long before the automobile was invented.

>> No.15988537

>>15971541
>Open Access Publication website
This is not a peer reviewed article in any way shape or form.

>Quotes Lindzen
Into the trash it goes.

Furthermore he claims 'greenhouse theory' is an unproven hypothesis without any data to back him up. He then claims that OLR is too unpredictable to model. This is pure stupidity as we don't need to model it, we can measure it directly.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41612-021-00205-7

>without theoretical or experimental proofs
This is not how this works. This is the age old argument of climate deniers that unless we can build a 1:1 model replica of the Earth we cannot know how CO2 affects it. Unless he denies the current models which exist. Which he probably does. It's a stupid statement.

>Upper atmosphere humidity field, global cloudiness and wind field cannot be modeled.
Again, this can be measured, no need to model it and even then he's ignoring models which exist.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-00555-5

Furthermore he gives no explanation for the cooling stratosphere, what is his suggestion, Magic?
https://www.nasa.gov/general/nasa-satellites-see-upper-atmosphere-cooling-and-contracting-due-to-climate-change/

The rest of his abstract is word salad arguing what's already easily debunked in the top of my post.

I give this paper a 2/10.

>> No.15988684

>>15971541
>Hungary
lol
pathetic little shithole

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>>15988684
you say that and you look like this

>> No.15990953

look at the insane lies the global warming shills need to make just to defend their insane unscientific propaganda

>> No.15990975 [DELETED] 

>>15990953
Take your meds.

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>> No.15993043

>>15989880
sorry sweaty, but my hair is fuchsia

>> No.15993428

>>15993043
Norwood scale number?

>> No.15994768

>>15993428
5

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>>15994768

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>>15995789
thats pretty close, but a little bit higher on the scale than I am. hair is the wrong color too

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