/sci/ - Science & Math

QI thruster test failure when?
hurry the fuck up barry

https://twitter.com/lrocket/status/1747657551242781125

45s vid about Helios kick stage for F9, FH, Starship and basically all the upcoming rockets

https://twitter.com/DJSnM/status/1747609601632067798

hullo visited firefly

https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/1747664497542603040

https://republicans-science.house.gov/_cache/files/2/d/2dc97bb6-040b-4d15-ae69-6b8de637174d/448A0B95841995613C9A9B19135C104C.2024-01-17-griffin---testimony.pdf

im making it an unofficial goal to get on that data center that axiom is throwing on the iss
https://www.axiomspace.com/news/orbital-data-center

3 years... tick tock

>>15981578
F9 upgrades let it eat into FH's payloads and Helios as a third stage will only push this further.

>>15981587
https://twitter.com/Alexphysics13/status/1747666933971825098
> The alternative (shown in the picture) is pretty much Constellation but with SLS. Quite depressing compared to what Artemis is doing right now.

>>15981587
Griffin once again tries to assert his architecture wasn't dumb.

>>15981587

>>15981591
yeah, I don't think SpaceX cares too much though
they might get more business overall and launching just the F9 is easier and cheaper than FH

>>15981587
Is this the first time someone's fantasy Lunar Return bat chart is entered in official Congress testimony lol

>>15981599
>>15981591
This is better for SpaceX cause setting up and down from FH launches takes time out of schedule

https://spacenews.com/japans-slim-spacecraft-lowers-orbit-ahead-of-friday-moon-landing-attempt/
> JAXA also confirmed that preparations for landing and descent are complete. The landing will begin at 10:00 a.m. Eastern (1500 UTC) Jan. 19 (00:00 JST, Jan. 20), with touchdown around 20 minutes later.

43h to stream start
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvXLt3ET9mE

>>15981604
Oh yeah I forgot SLIM is carrying a couple dinky rovers, I hope it lands okay and deploys them.

>>15981587
>A Lower-Risk Approach: A Two-Launch Solution for Human Lunar Landing
>Early lunar return missions that meet NASA’s basic requirements – four people on the surface for a week at any location – can be achieved using technology and systems that are largely available today.
Okay. Good, I like the sound of this.

>One straightforward approach is discussed below. It requires two SLS Block 2 heavy launches, each carrying a Centaur III upper stage; an Orion command and service module; and a two-stage storable-propellant lunar lander, yet to be designed.
Does this motherfucker really. How are we even supposed to do this with SLS's biennial launch cadence?

>>15981614
He just wants his Ares V

>>15981603
inb4 SpaceX makes an offer to buy Impulse Space.

>>15981618
Why do that when another company is willing to spend R&D budget on improvements to your vehicle?

https://www.krgv.com/news/state-considers-handing-over-park-land-to-spacex

SpaceX is going to buy 477 acres of privately owned land and trade with Texas for 43 acres next to Starbase.

>>15981619
It would keep Helios off of Blue/ULA rockets.

>>15981628
holy based

>>15981632
m o n o p o l y

>>15981617
This is worse. This is just Constellation if it needed two Ares V launches instead of an Ares V and an Ares I.

>>15981632
Blue is developing their own space tug, so that doesn't matter too much and ULA is all about doing that high energy stuff themselves, another kick stage seems redundant
this would affect Terran-R but probably better to keep out of it overall even if there is theoretically competition in kick stages/space tugs

>>15981628
FUCK FUCK YES YES YES YES

FUCKING FINALLY

THIS SHOULD'VE HAPPENED 2 YEARS AGO

YES

ITS TIME

>>15981628
>https://www.krgv.com/news/state-considers-handing-over-park-land-to-spacex
Wait, so is the orange what Texas would get, and the green and yellow zoned areas what SpaceX would get? What about all the shit in between?

>SpaceX’s approach requires an impractically large number of orbital refueling operations for even a single lunar
mission

He still doesn't get it

>>15981651
Orange is state park. Green is what spacex gets. Yellow is what SpaceX gives. North of Laguna Larga.

>>15981651
the land they were going to buy and trade was a few miles away on the other side of the channel
not really sure what the red and green shit is in this case and why the red areas have weird road-like holes

>>15981669
SpaceX should just buy the whole state park
but perhaps that goes down easier if its done in smaller chunks like this

>>15981669
But there is only green-yellow in the original picture, so I can't see what SpaceX is getting there unless it's been omitted. It's all green borders with yellow stripes. Unless you are saying that the green is meant to represent negative space and so they get all the surrounding areas.

>>15981679
> TPWD holds a number of scattered parcels in the area. The plats line up with a number of undeveloped small subdivisions. The largest of those holdings border the SpaceX rocket launch site and construction sites.

its the green bordered areas here >>15981628
the areas spacex is willing to buy and trade are not in the same pic, they are here >>15981669

>>15981628
Good. Single private management is better so they dont have to deal with nonsense wild life bullshit.

https://twitter.com/esherifftv/status/1747702827940798646

Ellie/Joe livestream about SpaceX/Starship news

>>15981628
>getting 477 acres in exchange for 43
It's a good deal, but the usual people will do their utmost to try to stop it.

>>15981459
What about Trek style teleportation? If you're at the technology stage of perfectly scanning a human brain, you can scan the rest of the body allowing it to be fully reconstructed on another planet, after transmitting your body across space.

>>15981667
He gets it, he just doesn't like it

>>15981709
Teleportation can basically be explained as zapping of people, digitization process, and the 3d printing people with subatomic level printing technology.

Its much more advanced form

>>15981701
Discussing the today's Michael D Griffon hearing on Artemis from the congress.

https://twitter.com/LabPadre/status/1747691134762049914

>>15981720

>>15981720
>>15981725
Curious

>>15981725

https://spacenews.com/astroscale-reveals-concept-of-operations-for-its-in-orbit-refueling-vehicle/

>>15981757
> The refueling vehicle will carry and transfer hydrazine to its client spacecraft, “rather than the client having to maneuver to a fuel depot, allowing client operations to continue uninterrupted,” the company said Jan. 17.
> Named APS-R, for Astroscale Prototype Servicer for Refueling, the vehicle will be a small satellite about the size of a gas pump, designed to conduct multiple refueling missions in GEO.
> The refueler will be an ESPA-class satellite, a ring-shaped platform that attaches to the primary payload on a launch vehicle. ESPA is short for Evolved Expendable Launch Vehicle Secondary Payload Adapter.

>>15981628
Arkansas sisters, our response?

>>15981775
Why are you such a black nigger baby?

>>15981761
It's just one more step to on-orbit debris collection jobs, Planetes bros

>>15981780
Holy SEETHE
LMAOOOOOOOOO

>>15981628
Carrizo Comecrudo Schizo Nation of Texas is gonna hate this

>>15981792
>Despite the word nation in its name, it is not a federally recognized tribe,[4] nor a state-recognized tribe,[5] nor recognized by any other Tribal Nation.

>>15981800
>is not a federally recognized tribe,[4] nor a state-recognized tribe,[5] nor recognized by any other Tribal Nation.
Grifters, lmao

>>15981792
>>15981800
>>15981801
Wetback Nation. That grift has worked for others, so why not try, right?

>>15981803
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-Jjvpq1ZtE

What has the Boring company been doing lately?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z38JIqGDZVU

Also recently I became very interested in tunnels as they are often used in hydroelectric plants (the best form of power plant)

>>15981828
Not spaceflight fuck off and kill yourself

WOULD YOU STUPID NIGGERS SHUT THE FUCK UP AND GET BACK TO DISCUSSING ROCKETS

>>15981845
SLS is trash

>>15981828
They've been building the factory to build those tunnel boring machines. Its nearly complete or is complete right now.

>>15981851
agreed, congress needs to shut down the artemis program because of it and hand all contracts to SpaceX
>>15981854
KILL YOURSELF NIGGER NOT SPACEFLIGHT

>>15981854
Did they come up with any tunnel boring innovations? I hope they did because it's a Musk company after all

>>15981865
not spaceflight but yes, things like electrifying the thing and porpoising (starting and ending the boring on the ground so you don't have to dig a tunnel to insert the TBM)
though I haven't really looked into it too much if those are novel
what matters in the end is the cost of the tunnels with respect to some metric and at this point its too early to tell

>>15981865
The current road block is the factory production of the tunnel boring machines and regulations. Once the production starts coming online, they can print those new tunnel boring machines. They have a 50 station program they want to do in Vegas.

>>15981889
woah what the fuck, where is this from

>>15981896
https://twitter.com/i/broadcasts/1DXxyjbpBDbKM

It's Joe's chart that he made to track what SpaceX is doing right now or has to do throughout the next few years. Its not a complete picture but its enough to see the big picture

>>15981889
Can't wait for the Mars missions next year bros

Really hope SpaceX is able to survive the inevitable total meltdown of Chudlon as every other venture he’s in collapses

>>15981628
Are they getting the little square in the middle of Starbase?

>>15981915
Seethe more lmao.

imagine all the stuff they'd be able to fit here, second tower?

>>15981915
What melt-down?

>>15981889
We need a Machiavellian type of space industrialist.

>>15981924
That show is a leftist commie nonsense

>>15981720
I thought they were removing those

>>15981928
In the end the unionized ex-oil rig and pro fossil fuel workers were the heros and the governments were bad and torturing people on mars.
No reason to hate the show, they have NASA concepts that never were built IRL such as
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_Dragon_(rocket)?useskin=vector
That alone made it worth watching.

>>15981915
>sources cited: crack pipe

https://twitter.com/bluemoondance74/status/1747719196597723402

Starbase will be the official name of the SpaceX village now.

>>15981937
bait

>>15981937
They painted the NotElon/NotSpaceX as the bad guy/company for the first few seconds, then removed him from his own company due to the leftoid hysteria.

Its just castrated communist wishful hope to remove Musk from power

>>15981940
BASED

>>15981941
yeah okay I probably will find a thread with less dumb people more easily on any other board

>>15981940
bet the people who worked their long ago never expected to have "Cameron County Spaceport Development Corporation" be an actual thing lol

>>15981920
Yes the expectation is that green space and the suborbital pad area will become the second tower.

>>15981947
I believe it was created to lure in SpaceX back in the early days. This corporation is also meant to help SpaceX if they need help with eminent domain if/when the need arises.

>>15981949
Well whoever had their hand in it is a genius, it's paid off well

>>15981924
Dev is based. "The lesson isn't don't fly too close to the sun. It's make better fucking wings".

https://twitter.com/BasedBeffJezos/status/1747714996778529119
> Plumb acknowledged that Starlink is a “remarkable technological achievement” that the Pentagon is eager to utilize. And because it was the first low-Earth orbit broadband system developed at global scale, it is now very dominant in that domain, he said.
> The Pentagon would like to see more competitors challenge SpaceX, Plumb allowed. But for the moment, he said, “the department wants access to this kind of commercial innovation.”

https://twitter.com/eager_space/status/1747734867847282689

Eagerspace video on Boeing Starliner

>>15981979
Wrong link?

IF IT'S BOING
IT AIN'T GOING

>>15981980
kind of weird that he posts these on X in seemingly random order? This was on youtube a few months ago
good video though and lays out why it makes financial sense for Boeing to try to deliver Starliner

>>15981979
Basically "we dont want to pay or contract with Starlink" from the Biden admin

>>15981984
yes, lol
kind of weird
https://spacenews.com/dod-seeks-less-space-classification-more-collaboration-with-allies-and-commercial-partners/

>>15981985
>“What used to be a duopoly has become two-thirds Airbus, one-third Boeing,” said Richard Aboulafia, the managing director of AeroDynamic Advisory in Washington, D.C. “A lot of people, whether investors, financiers or customers, are looking at Airbus and seeing a company run by competent people,” he said. “The contrast with Boeing is fairly profound.”

>>15981985
If it's Boeing, no-one's going.

https://spacenews.com/house-committee-backs-artemis-despite-latest-delay/
> There seemed to be little interest among the committee members, though, to make wholesale changes in Artemis. Griffin, in his testimony, said he opposed the current architecture NASA has developed for returning humans to the moon. “In my judgement, the Artemis program is excessively complex, unrealistically priced, compromises crew safety, poses very high mission risk of completion and is highly unlikely to be completed in a timely manner even if successful,” he said. “We need to restart it, not keep it on track.”
> None of the committee members, though, showed any obvious interest in Griffin’s alternative architecture, and did not ask him or the other witnesses questions about it.
kek

>>15981922
Just this ol thing…

>>15982004
Oh, a nothingburger

>>15982004
he was very calm actually

> Artemis III mission costs. In December 2019, we found that NASA estimated that Artemis III may cost between $20 billion and $30 billion [emphasis added]... in February 2023, NASA officials stated that they are developing a methodology to provide Congress with an assessment of costs for each Artemis mission. NASA officials stated that the mission estimates will include the cost of hardware production, integration costs, and operations costs, but did they not provide a time frame for when this would be completed.

"Owww My Balls"

>>15982004
>trusting media to report accurately on anything right of communism
LMAO

>>15981985
Imagine fucking up a fucking lid lol. We've been saying Boeing is finished for years now.

>>15981998
Eurobros we can't stop winning

>>15982004
>>15982006
>>15982007
>>15982015
None of you fat niggers called thus faggot out for ysing reddit??? GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY THREAD YOU AND GO DILATE YOUR AXEWOUND FUCKING TEDDITROONS

>>15982004
He is asking the other owners to give him free shares or how does this work?

>>15982025
I didn't even recognize that it was reddit. Got something to tell us?

>>15982025
Take your meds, schizo

>>15981985
Just leave him there its fine

>>15982033
Meds. Now.

>>15982032
Yeah I'm sick of you fat redditniggers constantly posting your fucking link in these threads with reddit screenshots with the upboats clearly in the bottom. You should kill yourself and fuck right out of my thread none of you FAGGOTS belong here and you should go back.

>>15982038
You know what reddit looks like, aren't you the redditor?

>>15982004
He can buy shares like everyone else lol

>>15982036
>>15982033
>>15982032
Samefag types the same way, message released 1 minute after the other and an instant response waiting on his phone just 7 seconds later. So obvious fucking ledditor
>>15982039
You know what a tranny looks like, arent you a tranny?

>this raging newfag that can't recognise last year's sfg memes thinks this is his thread

>>15982043
>reddit is /sfg/ memes
tell me what this equation is real quick

>>15982042
All of these post are not me btw

>>15982042
>Samefag types the same way, message released 1 minute after the other and an instant response waiting on his phone just 7 seconds later. So obvious fucking ledditor

So confident. Kill yourself

>>15982032
the issue has nothing to do with r*ddit even if the fag that posted it posted a pic from there
the comments happened on X

>>15982053
shouldn't have let him know the little trick. In any case this is the one anon that we should be all be ignoring. He starts a fight every thread.

>>15982030
its about a new CEO compensation package, Musk hasn't had one for over a year now as the last tranche in the previous package was reached in the last half of 2022 or something (required 10x Teslas market cap and reaching revenue/profit milestones)

>>15982040
people who work for tesla get equity as part of compensation, musk has no active pay package right now and is basically working for free

If I could buy SpaceX shares I wouldn't. Why? The efficient market hypothesis.

Tesla is not spaceflight shut up.

I would be comfortable reentering in the Space Shuttle despite its not ideal safety profile

>>15982066
I already paid that nigger

>defending the shittle
gtfo

>>15982074
I'm honestly not sure
what is the probability of dying if you go on a space shuttle?
and then if you think how incompetent the parties involved are now, its probably worse than 10-20 years ago

>>15982075
thats not how it works retard
you paid for work done
that is like me saying, I already paid you a salary last month, you are not getting one anymore, stock compensation is no different
retard

>>15982082
He hasn't even done any work for Tesla recently, retard

>>15982080
>what is the probability of dying if you go on a space shuttle?

2/135. Almost 3/135, because AIR another lanch nearly blew up.

>>15982086
wrong

>>15982086
If he's not doing anything then, why are you worried about him getting new comp thats tied to metrics?

>>15982087
not great

>>15982087
1.48% of dying on the Space Shuttle. Fuck that

>pay someone a hundred billon dollars
>ummm no sweetie that was for last month and I won't finish the job until I get more

Muskrat bootlickers defending this are so retarded lmao

>>15982065
>required 10x Teslas market cap and reaching revenue/profit milestones
Imagine Elon being so confident Tesla would take off that he put this is the contract. How many billions did he get paid again?

>>15982090
>>15982086
and again, this is not just "give musk 10% of the company"
its going to be another compensation package with ambitious milestones that need to be reached
in the previous package he would not get anything if he hadn't reached the milestones
but he did and in 3 years no less (the package was for 8 years)

>>15982094
A bit worse, because not every flight had a full crew, while the Murder Shuttles did.

>>15982094
I would confidently take my chances. However Space Shuttle is retired but I'm gonna be flying on the Starship

>>15982099
Retard

>>15982098
Either he's so great that he will grow the company 10X
Or
He's a fraud and does nothing, and his company wont grow, therefore paying compensation means nothing

The dillemma of a Musk seethers.

What you think is space is actually geometry, what you think is emptiness of space is actually negative primary colors.

le based rocket man! boots on mars by 2018-AAAAAAAAAAACK

>>15982105
Fagpots.

>>15982104
I don't know how people can look past the fact that his companies are extremely successful and he is the richest man in the world. He must be doing something right.

>>15982110
You
>>15982108
This

Did Ax-3 scrub? What happened?

Elun Hosk raped me

>>15982115
Now he is trying to rape Telsa shareholders. Lock him up

>>15982101
I wouldn't.
Shuttle was too risky, Starship seems like it will be more reliable but it's too soon to tell.

I would gladly board the Dragon and Falcon 9 though, that baby looks like a fun ride

>>15982121
Yeah same. I wonder when Elon will finally fly to space. I'm sure he's looking forward to that.

>>15982123
Who knows, he seems to have different priorities, but he's allegedly said over and over that he'd like to die on Mars

>>15982096
walk me through this, if I get paid a lot by your standards, I should now be forced to work for free for the foreseeable future?
really?
fuck off commie

>>15982114
Pushed back a day, shortly after yesterday's static fire. I don't know why.

>>15982114
I don't know about scrubbed, its delayed, launching in about 23h

>>15982133
We got a live one, boys. Finish my bathroom, Jose, I didn't pay you to leave it half done and I'm sure as shit not giving you more money

I want to see New Glenn fly. More competition will be cool

Could SpaceX experiment catching boosters by using a smaller version of the chopstick system with Falcon 9?

the Flame Trench is a deleted part.

>>15982157
So is Starship

>>15982158
and the ocelots

>>15982157
>brap

Energia was truly something else, it's sad that it was never rescued after the Soviet Union fell

>>15982164
If they'd got the cargo-pod version flying before Buran there might have been a chance. There weren't going to be any interested parties if a shuttle was the only payload.

>>15982155
F9 boosters can't hover with the fuel levels they have at landing, as far as I remember.

>>15981561
Potentially March.

https://nitter.net/RaMansell/status/1747677589882155027

>>15982004
Our God is merciful, and His warning is clear. They would be wise to heed it.

>>15982198
lmaooo

>>15980551
>>15981768
Hmmmm don't recall ever saying anything about wind.

Nope. Doesn't ring a bell.

>>15981918
They got the parcel on Remedios Avenue but the grassy square next to Starfactory is still owned by some faggot holding out for multiple millions.

>>15982209
Tell us what is going to knock it over then

>>15981940
I will try to tune into the zoom meeting tomorrow and record it.

>>15982210
>owned by some faggot holding out for multiple millions.
Can't blame them ngl

>>15982211
Me

>>15982216
That'd be hilarious on the first Mars mission. A crew member goes nuts after months with the same fucking nerds and pushes over the ascent vehicle. I wonder what would happen next

>>15982211
The sheer instability of the design + unstable ground
>just land on flat grou
Doesnt exist. That's why we build helipads and runways by the by

Did someone mention wind?

I love how all the Reddit types are saying that we are totally at the mercy of powerful mother nature when it's really the opposite.

>>15982226
nigga you ever heard of landing legs?

>>15982233
the purpose of man is to subjugate nature to its fullest

>>15982237
Absolutely based statement that is the /sfg/ spirit.

>>15982213
:3

>>15982220
>"Oh yeah Dave? You're going home huh? Well look at that now NOBODY is going home! Should've shut your fucking mouth, DAVE!"

When are we leaving this planet bros? Here I am, stuck on this little blue point with flat eathers and moon landing deniers.. I want to go out and explore the galaxy, whats taking so long...

>>15981757
how do they refuel the "DIU Rapids"?

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1747775281505394775

btw the boardgame is pretty good if you like boardgames

CAM ON STARSHIP, SCORE SOME FAHKIN' GOALS

https://twitter.com/NASAStennis/status/1747741939854692760

RS-25 test

Skip to 24:05

>>15982277
this testing for Artemis II?

Which one of you retards posted this on /biz/?

>>15981578
All of them but Neutron lol

>>15981628
>Valley environmental advocates were caught off guard Tuesday when they came across a notice in The Monitor that the state parks department may be handing over land to SpaceX.
Lmfao

>>15981985
Based boeing
Leave him there

Post yfw Angara fails and blows up Vostochny

>>15981441
>sublight probes go out
>send lightspeed signal back
>recieve response, again at ~1C
>3x transit at only relativistic speeds, or 1/3rd lightspeed for the total round trip time
that's not FTL you giga retard
the F stands for "FASTER" not 'Fthree times slower than'

>>15982295
isn't biz just full of pajeets talking about crypto?
seriously I checked it out once and the catalog was full of talk about shitcoins
basically nothing else

>>15982310

>>15982323
Take your troonbob meme and go back to teddit. WE USE FROGS HERE

>>15982341

https://twitter.com/raz_liu/status/1747794193521746001
>During the CZ-7 live stream. The CZ-7A deputy chief designer said "The CZ-10 will launch at 2025~2026". Also according to the CMS deputy chief designer Yang liwei :"The prototype of CZ-10, next gen manned ship & moon lander start producing "

Exciting

> - During the Axiom 3 briefing yesterday, Benji Reed, SpaceX Sr. Dir. of Human Spaceflight Programs, just stated SpaceX is working toward certifying Crew Dragons for 15 flights.

https://twitter.com/SERobinsonJr/status/1747725722481815730

>Astrobotic has positioned the Peregrine spacecraft for a safe, controlled re-entry to Earth over a remote area of the South Pacific.The team has been continuously monitoring our re-entry analysis with NASA, which indicates a re-entry path over the indicated area below, with no anticipated hazards. A safe re-entry is our top priority, so the team developed a two-step maneuver to move the spacecraft and change its projected trajectory.
Cowards

>>15982355
Incoming Columbia disaster #2

>>15982213
i will attend as well

>>15982357
An ominous and sad ending to Vulcan's first flight.

>>15982357
RIP again, Gene Roddenberry
for like the eighth time
When's the next scheduled flight of a portion of Gene's ashes?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mb0EI_rCzT4
19 hours remain

Thunderbirds had some of the most KINO fictional rocket launches.
>tfw no sun probe single stage mega rocket
>tfw no sentinel automated rocket base
Remember what they took from us...

>>15982357
Kindve incredible ULA got away with it. No jail for anyone involved

>ONE CROWN TO RULE EM ALL
>ONE WORD TO MAKE EM FALL
I hate E*RTHERS

>>15982375

>>15982272
Not knocking the game, but terraforming mars is retarded. With the amount of time and resources you'd have to invest for it to maybe work a little, you'd be much better off settling in the outer solar system/ building O'Neil Cylinders. I'm not saying its something we should never do, but it shouldn't be a priority for anytime in the next few centuries. Once the solar system is getting saturated and there's outbound generation ships, maybe we can circle back to it.

>>15982383
maybe not do fully, but getting pressure to levels where you don't immediately die would be nice and that might be possible by heating up the poles with big mirrors
full scale terraforming is very long term project

>>15982393
Heating the planet like that would cause all the permafrost and subsurface ice to melt. It would be absolutely catastrophic for anything built on the planet. Paraterraforming is the only viable political option once large settlements and infrastructure is established. Go play with sun shades around Venus or something.

>>15982372
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJIS3KjinPc

>>15982393
Handwaving aside the huge orbital mirror construction, just melting the caps won't produce enough atmospheric pressure to be able to go outside w/o a pressure suit. Also, the way I understand it, you either need to go full send or not at all. The way Zubrin lays it out, you need to melt the caps while simultaneously spinning up a huge industry to produce PFCs, and bank on there being massive amounts of carbon monoxide and water ice permafrost that melts outs, to even get close to 0.5 Bar. You only get to melt the caps once. Mars still has low gravity and no magnetic field. As soon as the atmosphere warms up and expands, it'll start being stripped away again.

>>15981840
you're retarded
(being retarded as bait still makes you retarded)

>>15982410
I dont mean you can go outside without a pressure suit, but so you don't immediately die if there is a breach or whatever

> Disregarding hypoxia, the lowest atmospheric pressure the human body can withstand is around 6 percent sea level pressure, or 61.8 millibars, below that pressure the water and blood in your body starts to boil.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armstrong_limit

https://biology.stackexchange.com/questions/16741/what-is-the-minimum-air-pressure-the-human-body-can-tolerate-if-oxygen-supply-is

>>15982418
>>15982410
maybe 6% isn't enough and you need 12%, not sure if you could get that from the poles though
but the atmospheric pressure being on a level that means your blood doesn't start boiling immediately would be nice

>>15982410
who cares about the atmosphere getting stripped away. thats a problem for people 20 million years from now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgfV7VUGBHU
> End of an Era? Starbase Flyover Update #28

RGV flyover, its been a while

Wtf is going in with the Ax-3 mission I thought they should've already launched.

>>15982428
saboteurs

>>15982358
>booster has malfunction
>crew escape system activates, safely brings it far away from the rest of the rocket
????????

>>15982427
Sanchez site

>>15982357
sad that vulcan's first flight was a failure.

>>15982437
LMAO elon named it after Heff's Girlfriend?!?!

the moon is a harsh mistress

>>15982440
I think it's named after one of the roads that runs through it.

>>15982435
nevermind i am drunk

>>15982437

>>15982444
Why are you like this anon. Its every damn night

>>15982446

>>15982438
not really. the first launch of a new rocket is usually a failure, but usually the rocket itself blows up or fails to seperate or start second stage engines or something. This wasn't on Vulcan

>>15982448

>>15982444
hey

>>15982450
launch site

>>15982449
It's first mission failure flown by ULA. the stock is f*cked

>>15982454

>>15982456

>>15982447
im sorry

>>15982437
>ENHANCE
Are those the new enterprise starlink dishes up there? Must be nice being your own ISP. Does spacex communicate with starship/falcon exclusively with starlink now?

>>15982452
hello hai hahahahaha

>>15982460
I too have been drinkimg

>>15982455
yeah, Astrobotics lander failed, but ULA was a perfect success

>>15982455
can't blame ULA for blorg making shaky engines

>>15982422
Sauce on the 20M years figure? I don't know the projected longevity of a terraformed Martian atmosphere, but I suspect it would fall off fairly quick relative to the slow dwindling that happened as the magnetic field weakened originally. My main argument against terraforming is that the time and industry needed to do it vs the potential benefit doesn't make it worth it, at least for the next several centuries/ until we have handwavvy ayy tech to trivialize it. In the meantime we could be scattering 100s of picrel in the belt and around the outer planets.

>>15982470
I pulled it out of my ass.
my point is just that terraforming would happen on a time scale of human civilization and atmospheric loss would not

>>15982318
/biz/ was created as a containment board to get crypto threads off of /g/.

>>15982318
yes, but it had its moments

>>15982493
You fat stupid niggerp

When will Tory Bruno apologize for shaking peregrine?

>>15982524
see >>15982468

>>15982527
Shut. The. Fuck. Up. SHUT. THE. FUCK. UP. IM TIRED OF YOU NASTY ULA SHILLS SUCKING OFF TORY GTFO

>>15982530
The US has the three most powerful rockets in the world right now, not even counting Starship. Vulcan being safe and reliable also means we get to see Dream Chaser reach orbit.

>>15982536
Subtly pretending that Falcon 9 and Falcon Heavy aren't available because their existence is inconvenient for the justification of ULA's Vulcan at the "see? we're important too" table.

>>15982536
>Vulcan being safe and reliable also means we get to see Dream Chaser reach orbit.
This, I just want to see space shuttles getting launches. I fuckin HATE capsules and splashdowns. They feel so barbaric and primitive. You're saying we can have a reusable rocket land perfectly but we have to just drop in the ocean like a bunch of fuckin animals?

>>15982570
How about propulsive capsule landing on launch pad? I miss when this was going to be how Dragon 2 landed. it was cut to focus on Starship landing instead.

>>15982568
How is anon pretending Falcon isn't available when it is the second most powerful rocket currently flying to reach orbit.

>>15982743
The pretending is in crediting Vulcan for Dream Chaser being able to fly, even though it's fully capable of flying on Falcon.

MechE sisters...Why are all the space jobs only for electrical engineers? Did we choose the wrong degree?

>>15982536
>>15982570
Dream Chaser is shit and so are you

>>15982746
you would think you would need some mechE for designing the structures of a rocket

>>15982746
kek keep seething i see multiple mechE listings in spacex website specifically at starbase, youll be watching from those pathetic cams like the basement virgin you are while im in the thick of it. see you never on mars bub

I wonder if there will be tourism on mars
I'm really lazy

>>15982536
gorgeous woman

>>15982769
That's a shitty drawing and you will never be a woman.

>>15982781
she looks absolutely stunning. if you cant see it it's because your mind cant stop thinking about having sex with men

>>15982783
Protip, go to gelbooru and you can see hundreds of better drawing posted every couple of hours, only you're legitimately a deranged faggot with a fetish for anthropomorphism so most of them won't appeal to you.

>>15982789
sorry but this is what we do to ppl like you

https://twitter.com/DJSnM/status/1747710251397435607

>>15982804
Kystalfags have a similar fetish only they're much less obnoxious about it and better at drawing. This will be you after you get sentenced to prison for molesting a minor.

>>15982812
>Anon, let me go I just want to go home and see my parents
>shut up and make the rocket sounds

>>15982812
>krystal apologist
>the furry is drawn better but
lmfao youre fuckin see through

>>15982827
Yes, Krystal posts have occasionally made me laugh, you've only ever made me cringe and you're doing it right now. Go be cringe elsewhere.

>>15982835
they make you cum buckets too

>>15982840
I can't even jerk off to that Ankha cat zoomers were obsessed with a couple of years ago

>>15982855
Sfm porn exists. Of Ankha

Reminder to report every single one of these offtopic retards above me.

>>15982876
>announcing a report
Not your personal army

Uohhhhhhhhh !! !! !! anthropomorphized spaceflight !!!! so erotic !!!!

>>15982890
How compelling, get in the pisslock.

why elon wont send dragon on falcon heavy to orbit around the moon

>>15982939
1) Not rated past the magnetosphere
2) Not rated for human flight

>>15982939
crew dragon isn't made to withstand reentry at that speed. Its only meant to come back from LEO. if it went to the moon it would burn up on the way back. also not enough fuel to get back into orbit first.

>>15982962
Send a tug with it and decelerate it as it approaches earth

>>15982752
The rocket is pretty much built. There's not going to be a full redesign. Electronics tend to be tweaked and overhauled much more often than the actual hardware. There's just more work for EEs

>>15982811
I'm starting to like this Ken Kirtland guy

>>15982939
Dragon on Heavy would pull like 7Gs peak acceleration unless you strapped a heavy service module to the trunk for a TEI return burn and if you're developing new hardware anyway just keep pushing on Starship.

Chinese Orion + lander combo has entered 'prototype' phase

>>15983178
wild that Chinese knock-off will probably get to space before the original product

>>15981940
Kinda lame, bring back copernic shores instead. Or even better, do both, so we get Starbase, Copernic Shores.

>>15981940
File this under cringe

>>15982962
Crew dragon could absolutely survive at Lunar reentry speeds, probably Mars too.

It's been designed with this in mind from the start

>>15983178
>>15983200
thats an Orel knockoff, the next Russian manned spacecraft. Just like the Shenzhou is based on the Soyuz, atlhough I think the ruskies actually sold the plans for that.

https://www.space.com/spacex-starship-second-flight-explosion-cause

Would've made it into orbit if it carried a payload!

>>15983253
fingers crossed for starship launch 3 then

>>15983259
IFT-3 should be cool.
>ship in orbit
>booster does boostback and entry burns
That's enough to start flying Starlinks while they improve reuse.

>>15982357
they are secretly aiming for the Rocket Lab Mahia launch site to take out the competition

>>15982368
Rest In Pieces

>>15983263
They are also going to be trying to transfer fuel within the ship

"It stinks!"

>>15983319
>wants to pay more for less
What a retard lmao

>>15982263
Life doesn't matter anymore and it has become very obvious everywhere you go.
You can feel it when you are out in public, no one gives a fuck about anything anymore. Even normies are blackpilled husks now.
I go to work and basically just do nothing. I don't give a shit if they fire me, it literally doesn't matter at this point. I'm poor if I'm NEETing and poor if I work full time. This society is pointless.
No community, no property, no families, no future. Where the fuck do we even go from here?

>>15983253
Stfu

Just invent teleportation. Put a receiver on a space station in high orbit, you’ll be halfway to anywhere.

>>15983319
Berger doesn't seem to realize that Artemis is Trump's baby so this clown is never getting near NASA again.

>>15983334
Mars

>>15983263
SpaceX will not launch Starship into orbit until they have demonstrated an on demand deorbit burn. The last thing they want is a LM-5C that is several times more massive and designed to survive reentry.

>>15983376
>You vill eat ze aquaponics lunch
>You vill live in ze dome
>You vill work in ze teleoperated mine
>You vill survey ze geology
>You vill impregnate ze Martian women
>You vill build ze Martian empire
>Und you vill be happy

>>15983389
>You vill impregnate ze Martian women
>You vill build ze Martian empire
I dunno. sounds kinda based

>>15983389
>Und you vill be happy
People often miss this part. That is what makes it all worth it.

>>15981889
I'm dubious of this graphic, but
>5 IFTs in 2024
Imagine.

So now that james web has discovered city lights on a planet 4 lightyears away the question has been answered that we are not alone.
The next step is to make this xeno scum understand who's boss.

>>15983450
I hate paradox so much it's unreal

>>15983450
kek imagine believing this

>>15983450
Fuck ayys: yes
Kill/eat ayys: only if they instigate first

>>15983450
you are retarded
just look at 2024 /pol/
half the brownoid subhumans would side with aliens, hoping they would destroy civilisation and they would get rewarded for collaboration in return

Finally blocked CSS on twatter, could not stand his bullshit or his grifting anymore

You fags should do it too, new algorithm means he gets major deboost for blocks/mutes, if only black engineer man would do the same instead of replying to his stupid ass and getting him views

>>15983479
blocked who on what?

>>15983482
Exactly

>>15983479
I don't use the twitters

>>15983490
I wish I didn't have to

>>15983482
‘ick on ‘eck?

Why are Space Engines mapping tools so dogshit? I just want to define custom sectors and routes for world building purposes, you’d think that’d be a core component of it

>>15983504
ack!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mb0EI_rCzT4
T-2:00:00

>>15983575
The little lander that couldn't

>pull off unorthodox, improvised maneuver with compromised engines to ensure a safer reentry trajectory
>don't do the same at apogee to avoid reentry in the first place and maybe perform a do or die lunar landing attempt

Like I said, they don't have the Right Stuff

>>15983506
are you paying for it like a good goy or just using the free version 0.99?

https://www.brownsvilletx.gov/CivicAlerts.aspx?AID=1729

There ya go. Its now officially Starbase city

ooohhh so thats why Bergers space reporting was so minimal as of late

>>15983601
I WANT TO GENTRIFY BROWNSVILLE AND HAVE IT ALL BOUGHT OUT BY SPACEX

https://www.nasa.gov/centers-and-facilities/glenn/brr-its-cold-in-here-nasas-cryo-efforts-beyond-the-atmosphere/?linkId=270700004

NASA actively posting about their work on cryogenic fluid management

It's a new age at NASA, smell that freedom

>>15983627

>>15983627
>or fuel depots in orbit

>>15983585
I paid for it like a good goy because good goys at least get convenient steam workshop integration

https://twitter.com/TurkeyBeaver/status/1748063270169382944

SpaceX operations smoothly transitioning

>>15983627
>CryoFill

>NASA is also developing a liquefaction system to turn gaseous oxygen into liquid oxygen on the surface of the Moon or Mars to refuel landers using propellant produced in situ. This approach uses various methods to cool oxygen down to critical temperature (at least minus 297 degrees Fahrenheit), where it condenses, turning from a gas to a liquid. Initial development and testing have proven NASA can do this efficiently, and the team continues to scale the technology to relevant tank sizes and quantities for future operations.

Looking promising

Reminder, all European crew launch soon in few hours

>>15983635
convenient? didnt you say the mapping tools were dogshit?

>>15983644
That's the best astronaut car and I'm not even a tesla fan, the competition is just hilarious. ULA got a Mercedes Sprinter and NASA some gay hippie van.

https://www.space.com/mars-water-ice-equator-frozen-ocean
>Water ice buried at Mars' equator is over 2 miles thick
>The Mars Express orbiter has detected enough water ice buried beneath the Red Planet's equator to cover the entire planet in a shallow ocean if melted.

Also, AX-3 stream started.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dr8gN1DFj4w

>>15983670
What about that post led you to believe that I think the mapping tools are convenient? The fact that I called a completely separate and irrelevant feature which is convenient? So because I call one, singular, separate thing convenient, you immediately, for some reason, try to “get me” on my earlier claim about a completely different subject in the topic of Space Engine. GO FUCK YOURSELF

>>15983676
lol

>>15983681
oh god

Turkiye can into space

Project Astronaut

lol wtf

>Chat is disabled for this live stream.

NASA pussies

mamma mia
Where did they get this guy from

>>15983688
Italy?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5wxwf9ak6k

t*rks behave like the indi*ns in chat, very obnoxiously

>>15983681
Fucking roaches everywhere, need to squish them fast.

I have a feeling that the rocket will fail

>>15983696
I don't

>>15983691
https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1748068088506143109

Side hatch closed now. T-1 hr 52 mins

Did they add buttons?

>>15983697
Yeah I got no evidence, just a feeling

>>15983702
there were always some buttons for vital functions

EXPLOSION ON THE PAD WITH THEM INSIDE

>>15983703
>feeling
>/sci/
get off the board

>>15983676
Damn we really went from
>wow holy shit SpaceX are launching humans? Bob and Doug! What a win for the ‘little guy’ companies!
to
>Huh… another one today?
in the blink of an eye

seems only t*rk roaches care about this launch
lets hope it blows up lol

>>15983714
Crew 1
Crew 2
Crew 3
Crew 4
Crew 5
Crew 6
Crew 7
Ax 1
Ax 2
etc..

Jesus christ this guy is dull

>>15983726
Fuck off

>SpaceX doing a crewed mission
>Elon too busy chudposting
it's ogre

>>15983676
>Mars was a water world

What the fuck.

>>15983698
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dr8gN1DFj4w
If you want a less shit stream.

>>15983741
I thought this was commonly known?

>>15983744
The stream is less retarded, but he chat?

>>15983746
You can hide it, though.

>>15983748
you can hide it, but I can still feel their retardity.

What’s with all the Turks?

>>15983754
national pride

YOU STUPID FUCK AMERILARDS STOP MAKING FUN OF GREAT TURKIYE

>>15983758
turks are indeed the most nationalist of any country except pakistan. They are cheering on their country for literally just paying a US company to piggyback them to space.

>3 turkish men on stream
>3 of them are balding

>>15983765
Ugly bitch making fun of Turkish??

>>15983775
I'm just stating my observations.

>>15983754
>Itachi

>>15983765

gooble gooble gooble

Scott Manley
@DJSnM
It's worth noting that 2 of the Nations paying to send crew on Axiom 3 are ESA members, but rather than contribute money to ESA with a chance of getting an astronaut to space they're now just spending the money directly.

>nations

only liberals use that word anymore

>>15983790
>but rather than contribute money to ESA with a chance of getting an astronaut to space they're now just spending the money directly.
Sounds like an improvement to me

>>15983790
Not making Hermes was the biggest mistake in European spaceflight.

>>15983796
esa must be seeeething, first they're forced by their own incomptence to pay SpaceX to launch their payloads now they have member states paying another US company to launch their astronauts on SpaceX lmaoo

>>15981942
>They painted the NotElon/NotSpaceX as the bad guy/company for the first few seconds, then removed him from his own company due to the leftoid hysteria.
Did yo miss the part where he took the company back, fired the people that outed him, moved to mars and then stole a $20 trillion asteroid to fund his independent mars colony?

>>15981928
>That show is a leftist commie nonsense
How?
All the commies and leftists in the show are depicted as corrupt morons while the right winger and libertarian characters are repeatedly shown to be based as fuck.

>MUH COMMIES MUH LEFTARDS MUH LIBRULS
SHUT THE FUCK UP AND GET BACK TO SPACEFLIGHT YOU INSOLENT NIGGERS

>>15983822
You mentioned it first, retard.

>>15983825
NO I FUCKING DIDNT I JUST GOT HERE YOU JEW

>>15983830
I know it was you.
Always here to stir shit up.

>>15983834
IM TELLING YOU TO STOP STIRRING THE SHIT YOURSELF FUCKWIT NOT SPACEFLIGHT NOW GET BACK TO DISCUSSING ROCKETS

>>15983841
Stop crying, retard.

>>15983844
YWNBAW TRANNY

fucking schizo, lmao

>>15983383
an in orbit burn is going to be tried on the third launch, as is the pez dispenser door
they might start to be able to launch starlinks on launch 4
didn't even think about that, during the Artemis delay call a few days ago the SpaceX representative said they will iteratively test the propellant transfer stuff (from a tank to another tank within starship) and this could easily be done while simultaneously taking payload up

so you have simultaneous launching of starships
propellant transfer testing
re-entry testing
landing procedure testing of different types (like with F9)
but they can start to utilize Starship beneficially for actual missions all the while testing all of this

KYS KYS KYS KYS KYS KYS KYS KYS KYS KYS KYS KYS KYS KYS KYS KYS

https://twitter.com/peterrhague/status/1748080892046680220

>>15983853
China will grow larger

>>15983855
t. cope

talking about future starship flights

https://twitter.com/i/broadcasts/1lDxLPOAZYqxm

>>15983675
Canoo is actually very nice and utilitarian
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3Sj2jJmug8

>>15983575
3min to *ACK*ing

>>15983861
>utilitarian
So as I said, gay.

>>15983863
have we got a video of the ACK from the ground? or will that come later

You can't tell me this isn't the coolest way to arrive at the pad

And there goes Peregrine lander, plunging into Earth's atmosphere.

>blurred the star trek logo on her costume
kek

Axiom 3 launching in 45 minutes and you guys don't even have a launch thread? Damn the anime poster really destroyed/sfg/. Sad.

>>15983876
RIP gene