/sci/ - Science & Math

fpbp

H-IIA has (Usui) Cleared the launch tower.

>>15971514
I love her

spwp

rumor going around that nasa is going to cancel starship HLS.

>>15971523
in favor of QI based reusable ascent/lander that can dock to Gateway

>>15971527
rumor going around that bezos is going to invest in IVO

>>15971539
this February will make it annoyingly fast again

Tethered Ring or bust.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3O1gtr_oAk&pp=ygUcdGV0aGVyZWQgcmluZyBzcGFjZSBsYXVuY2hlcg%3D%3D

>>15971539
This but unironically

>>15971523
>rumor going around
Funny, I've heard a rumor going around that you suck cock

>>15971514
Japanese Delta IV to launch in Feb

>>15971590
i would rather have that bust, please, take a look at those puppies.

>>15971539
this has been talked about before.
the sheer kino of starship launches has ruined our dopamine receptors.
nothing else generates enough excitement anymore, you can see even a brand new medium launch rocket like vulcan wasn't enough to get people truly excited.

we have been cursed.

>>15971633
All to true, but oh what a sight it is

>>15971638
Superheavy is so gorgeous. I could take or leave Starship, but that booster is sexy

>>15971645
I think they go pretty well together

>>15971659
Oh don't get me wrong, they're both great, I'd just love to see a cheap, expendable second stage to get some massive science probes out into the solar system

i fear for the day where even starship launches become a daily occurence.
it will all become boring, no launches will be interesting anymore, this general will die because nobody finds anything worth talking about.

>>15971633
>a brand new medium launch rocket like vulcan
its nasashit that will launch twice a year at best and cost an unreasonable fortune every time, its all old tech, there is nothing special about it that didn't already exist, I don't even know why it was made.

>>15971668
The day that happens, there will be massive amounts of stuff happening in space, and those things will be the objects of interest instead of the ships making supply runs.

>Starship HLS needs to be refuel up to 10 times in orbit before it can land on the Moon
How long will the refuelling take? Will there be 10 tankers in place or will it be one or two tankers flying up and down?
It still sounds incredibly audacious

Starship is not going to be ready for the 2024 window is it

We are never getting off this shithole planet

>>15971677
The ship picks up all of its propellant at once from a depot that was filled in advance.

>>15971683
Smart, thanks

Anyone got any tips for scratch building non flying model rockets? I'm making a rocket lamp for my desk area, with the exhaust being the light element.

Most information I find online is for flying model rockets, and mostly useless for my purposes

>>15971692
3D Printers and cardstock are the most popular options for decent quality models.

>>15971696
Thanks, I don't have access to a 3D printer, but I will keep an eye out for services.

The hardest part to scratch build at the moment is rounded nosecones and the rocket engine bell/nozzle

>>15971681
It is cutting it close but I think a Starship will still make it to Mars this year, if only one.

The main thing stopping SpaceX from achieving it is the FAA's limit of five (5) fucking launches allowed per year. It is essential that they don't fuck up IFT 3 and it goes perfectly, and that IFT4 and IFT 5 are able to test orbital refueling between starships.

>>15971669
it was made to compete in a launch market that no longer exists in the form it did in 2014. they wanted something to replace the RD180's and they thought "w-well surely spacex re-use isn't that big of a deal, we'll just optimize for production and match them in price".
they could have seen the writing on the wall that after vulcan's development time was over, it would already be outdated. but then large govt catering companies are generally not known for their speed and flexibility.

>>15971716
sending starship to mars when you only have 5 flights per year out of boca chica is dumb as hell
We have at least 1 flight this year just to get it suborbital and burning up over hawaii
at least 1-2 more to test soft landing of starship over water
then 2-3+ for testing payload (starlink) deployment and fuel transfer

>>15971721
They do not need to test soft landing the starship in water for the HLS program, but you're right about the fuel transfer testing

>>15971721
I suspect they're actively trying to increase the number of annual launches they're allowed from Starbase, but we'll have no way of knowing until they get them.

>>15971721
>sending starship to mars when you only have 5 flights per year out of boca chica is dumb as hell
Falcon Heavy sent a Tesla to solar orbit on its first flight, it is not unrealistic at alll
>only have 5 flights
Hence why I said IFT 3 needs to go perfectly. Once they get Starship to stop exploding they can simply ask the FAA to edit the number of annual flights in the license from 5 to 20

>>15971726
After the Starship is refueled in orbit from the demonstration, what better way to dispose of it than send it to Mars?

Launch window to Mars is this year right?

>>15971729
>after the Starship is refueled in orbit from the demonstration, what better way to dispose of it than send it to Mars?
It would need a few more starship launches to fill it, but sure. As long as the FAA lets them keep that one in orbit
>launch window to Mars is this year right?
Sep 26 of this year is the beginning of the nearest window, and it closes in November. November 2026 is the next window after that

Vulcan with RD-170
Thoughts?

>>15971737
October 17th not September 26th*

>>15971737
Interesting... I wonder if we could see Starlinks around Mars relatively soon

What happened to the Interplanetary Transport System (SpaceX Sea Dragon)?

>>15971750
Turned into BFR then Starship

>>15971745
It is a shame martian Starlinks probably can't communicate with Perseverance and Ingenuity, it would help them out a lot. Imagine going onto YouTube in a decade and seeing live video feeds above the Martian surface

>>15971497
Another day another blunder another delay another setback. When will it finally sink in golems? I'll be here waiting for you.

>>15971761
What blunder? What setback? All the launches this year have been successful stupid flerfer
at least read the news you argue agaist

>>15971721
>he thinks soft landing testing can't be post starlink-deployment

>>15971739
So an Atlas V?

>>15971776
Don't bother. It'll be endless goalpost moving. Even if you got himself to the moon he would say something about demonic illusions.

>>15971523
hello spaceguy5

>>15971739
>using Russian engines

>>15971791
pretty much

>>15971672
If Starship ever gets into high tempo, fully reusable launch cadence, then the cost assumptions that have precluded mission architectures involving orbital assembly will no longer be valid. I look forward the the circle jerk here while we watch the Mars Cycler construction Webcams

>CST-100, Polaris Dawn, Dreamchaser first flight, and Falcon Heavy in April

You could probably throw in a CLPS mission that month.

Gonna be a packed April

>>15971761
Hey youre back, gonna have a tantrum and post your scat catalogue you jerk off too freak?

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1745729247233110234

When are we leaving this planet bros? Im getting older and im tired of delays. I want my interstellar dreams to be true bros...

>>15971880
you could start by getting that cock out of your mouth, faggot.

>>15971880
>When are we
>We
WE aren't going anywhere.
YOU are staying here

>>15971877
Okay, now whoever made the allegation (causing this investigation) should be liable for wasting everybody's time and slandering innocent people. At least a good caning, beat the bottoms of their feet so they can't walk right for a few days. There have to be some consequences for doing this shit, you can't just keep throwing shit at someone forever and get away with it.

>>15971880
Meanwhile I'm getting real tired of seeing of this post.

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/01/12/space-company-momentus-mnts-running-out-of-money.html
>Momentus, once valued at more than $1 billion before going public via a SPAC in 2021, abandoned plans for its next mission, which was to fly satellite customers in March.
>The company cited its “inability to support continuing operations for the expected launch date as a result of the Company’s limited liquidity and cash balance.”

>>15971517
>I love her (male)
fact checked that for you

btw, it's obvious to anyone who speaks Japanese that it's a dude
his speech patterns and word choice are undeniably male
male performers pretending to be women and getting railed (homosexually) by their male fans is a traditional part of the Japanese entertainment industry

>>15971905
new frog picture every time and I approve (or better yet, a daily rocket picture)

>>15971910
too much competition in the spacetug business I guess and poor execution

> Momentus was among a dozen or so space companies that debuted during the SPAC frenzy. The company was already on rocky footing before it went public, with delayed missions after the departure of its founder and former CEO, its valuation cut in half to less than $600 million and an SEC settlement due to allegations of falsifying results from a prototype spacecraft test.

>>15971935
You dont belong here
>>15971941
Yeah I saw allot of businesses in it but no clear winner unlike spacelaunch, theres Vast's Launcher, Starfish, Momentus here and a bunch more.

>>15971950
kek

So about that SpaceX company talk? anybody have any info about it? perhaps delayed due to legal/ITAR going through it or whatever

>>15971941
>too much competition in the spacetug business
who are doing spacetugs besides momentus?

>>15971973
some are mentioned here >>15971950
so Vast, Starfish
but then you have Tom Muellers Impulse Space
Blue Origin is doing Blue Ring (which is a more comprehensive platform than just a space tug)
Rocket Lab has a kick stage which can act as a spacetug https://www.rocketlabusa.com/updates/rocket-lab-demonstrates-flexible-in-space-transportation-with-new-kick-stage-maneuver/

from wikipedia there is even longer list
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_tug#Twenty-first_century_proposals

>>15971973
D-Orbit and Impulse come to mind. Spaceflight Inc. formerly (bought by Firefly who also plans on tugs). I think there's others.

Angry is really smart when it comes to actual spaceflight news and predictions but the focus on aliens makes him look likw a total retard.

>>15971983
>>15971984
seems like the problem isnt that there are too many spacetugs, but that there arent enough payloads that use them

>>15971989
not yet, all of these are pretty much banking on Starship (perhaps New Glennn too)

>>15971989
Perhaps they were banking on more payloads. I think SpaceX initially said Transporter would ramp up to monthly launches within a couple years.

>>15971989
Oversaturated market because its low investment and low risk with most of these going in Falcons guaranteed to atleast get up to LEO. Means that any new company can turn a profit if they just tell their customers who are already planning to go on a Falcon transport mission to pay for everything and all they have to do is get a working tug up there with the payload, charge more money than they invested in the tug and boom you got a profitable space business. No need to design a whole fucking rocket and compete with the behemoths that are SpaceX or get a supply chain going for fueling your rocket, dealing with FAA and SEC (as much) when making the rocket licensing etc. That means that its oversaturated and some companies still cant even successfully do the tugging part i.e. Starfish and Launcher, so eventually the ones with the most competitive rates will win and other companies will either pivot or file for bankruptcy.

>>15971529
That would actually make his L5 spinhab ideas possible since lunar ISRU could be focused on crew consumables and structural materials.

>>15971989
Momentus was supposed to be different. They never got around to launching a depot or refilling spacetugs so their costs were too high to be competitive.

https://twitter.com/astrobotic/status/1745851250527138041

>>15972015
https://twitter.com/astrobotic/status/1745851286929494178
> Payload teams continue to operate & receive power & telemetry. Below is a video from the moment the COLMENA payload team began receiving data confirming it is now the first Mexican instrument to operate in cislunar space. (Video credit: UNAM)

https://twitter.com/Harry__Stranger/status/1745793510144713202

>>15972017

>>15972020
https://twitter.com/Harry__Stranger/status/1745793515119153548

https://twitter.com/ulalaunch/status/1745817232880398444

>>15971692
>exhaust being the light element
there have been several modelers who did that, and they look fantastic. From the NSF forums about a Saturn V model:
>According to the builder's posts it is not foam, but polyester fill, like that used in pillows (or aquarium filters).
>I see some is actually non-flammable, but I guess it could melt
>aquarium folks seem to dislike the non-flammable variety due to chemical contamination of their fish tanks.

>>15972024

>>15972015
So is the leak going to stop? Or is it a lose half every day until there's barely any left kind of deal?

>>15972027

>>15972026
the thread with pics: https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=40666.0

>>15972028
who knows, in one of the other updates it seemed like the leak is getting smaller due to less pressure and the exact mechanics are difficult to predict
I guess it might be possible that at some point the leak becomes neglible

>>15972032
it really doesn't matter anymore how long they keep it limping along, it's actual useful mission of landing on the moon is already screwed, it has no chance to do anything useful anymore.

>>15971633
natural march of progress. most people don’t have a fit every time a magnificent 747 takes off in spite of it being some hundred ton chunk of metal. 100 years ago it would’ve been astonishing. nobody’s bothered by a cruise to the USA etc. all trivialized

In a few decades you’ll be relishing the mystique and specialness of early space flight. Once everyone’s super, no one will be.

>>15971663
why? whos going to pay for that? please give me some hopium on what the value of multi hundred tonne science probs is. JWST was another jobs fare

https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1745856640786858396

>>15972070

>>15972005
Hes right you know

>>15972072

>>15971910
FUCK
our cubesat was literally at the airport about to be delivered when we got the news. That takes a many clients away from the SpaceX Transporter 10 launch in March.

>>15972080
Andrew?

ChudX wont get away with their bigotry against BIPOC immigrants.

>Enjoying our last few meals before launch!

>>15972123
>last meals
Yikes

>>15972123
What is that supposed to be?

https://spacenews.com/europe-considers-launching-copernicus-satellite-on-falcon-9/

https://spacenews.com/japan-launches-igs-optical-8-reconnaissance-satellite/

>>15972131
that's what they call an "astronaut"
and i think the dish is paella

>>15972131
jellyfish

https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/01/rocket-report-a-chinese-launch-you-must-see-vulcans-stunning-debut/

Small Rockets
> Vega C return-to-flight mission gets a date
> China completes commercial launch pad.
> Will spaceport make Australia a military target?
> Self-eating rocket engine passes test.

Medium Rockets
> Gravity-1 solid rocket makes a stunning debut.
> Mars mission slips due to HIII delays.

Heavy Rockets
> Vulcan makes an impressive debut.
> Here's what is next for Vulcan.
> NASA delays Artemis missions.
> New Glenn spotted in the wild.

>>15972141
>NG is considered heavy lift
God is dead.

>>15972148
What makes you say that?

>>15972148
isn't the cut-off 20 tonnes

>>15972159
and super heavy lift is at 50 tonnes, so New Glenn at 45 tonnes is almost super heavy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaCMA9GbisQ

>>15972161
You are now aware that Falcon Heavy is only a heavy lift launcher as well because its payload is hard capped by the Falcon 9 second stage's payload adapter.

>>15972193
capped at what?

>>15972048
>please give me some hopium on what the value of multi hundred tonne science probs is.
100s of experiments on it? quintuple-redundant everything, power generation that will last it 200 years, radiation shielding, a fuck-huge antenna so comms aren't a struggle at voyager distances?
the possibilities of being unconstrained by mass autism are incredible

>>15972197
Less than the original intended launch mass of PPE/HALO.

Shartliner droptest in Virginia.

https://twitter.com/NASAWallops/status/1745891114312179858

>>15972212
starliner isn't helping us return to the moon you stupid fucks fuck you

>>15972201
wiki says PPE is 5 tonnes, you cant' seriously say that it is capped at 5 fucking tonnes
Falcon 9 has launched something like 18.3 tonnes if I remember correctly and the theoretical max for falcon heavy into leo is something like 60 tonnes
so what is the capped max then? throwing some random ass bullshit is not going to fly
give me a number that says its less than 50 tonnes

>>15971880
kek based and golempilled

keep rubbing it in their faces, eventually they will realize they are worthless cattle and rope

>>15972212
trying to run some defense for boeing lmao

>>15972217
It's actually insulting them.
>they still need drop tests for parachutes years after Dragon's parachutes started successfully returning crews

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAZaNU8bcnw

>>15972159
This is why God is dead. Heavy lift should be moved up and super heavy lift be 100t+

>>15972225
RIP OG Starbase
https://youtu.be/nVUHHW1tJYA

>>15972216
Not gonna post scat this time flatcel?

>>15972215
To get that 66 ton throw weight to LEO you need to expend all three booster cores.

>>15972238
do you have a point?

>>15972234
Nah you are scat already golem, look in the mirror.

new meme

>>15972248
Fully Reusable Falcon Chubby is not Super Heavy Lift.

kill yourself - classic meme

X-59 rollout in half an hour
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjCdGqgD9Bs

>>15972238
??????????
everyone already knows this.

>>15972260
nobody ever said it was?

He got it from reddit, didn't he?

>>15972251
don't distract from the topic at hand, that being your mentally ill scat fetish.

>>15972259
incorrect meme, because it failed to deliver it's payload.

>>15972199
>fuck-huge antenna so comms aren't a struggle at voyager distances?
Brings no value.
> radiation shielding
Brings no value.
> power generation that will last it 200 years
Brings no value.
> 100s of experiments on it?
Explain what value these experiments bring. So far you’ve shown no value can be brought by launching a hundred tonne space probe. NASA is a jobs fare.

>>15972269
sint that thing barely supersonic m=1.3? What’s the point of supersonic travel if you’re not even doubling flight speed? Material science peaked in the 1960s

>>15972288
You are double gay.

>>15972215
>wiki says PPE is 5 tonnes, you cant' seriously say that it is capped at 5 fucking tonnes

Why are you omitting HALO's mass?

>if I remember correctly and the theoretical max for falcon heavy into leo is something like 60 tonnes

Falcon Heavy has the performance to push 50+ tons to LEO, the Falcon 9 second stage's payload adapter cannot hold 50+ tons.

You need to read slower my non American friend.

>>15972212
Allah curse this capsule

>>15972292
its a tech demonstrator to prove you can make a sonic boom quiet enough to fly over land/cities
the FAA might change regulations about super sonic planes if it works :3

>>15972292
It's supersonic while not breaking windows

>>15972307
I think it's pretty cursed already

>>15972044
It can crash on to Chang'e 5 and kill it.

>tfw NASA gets some fancy slightly supersonic ace combat COFFIN system bullshit

>>15972288
>all these things that bring value don't bring value b-because i said so okay!
low energy post.

going to be sad to see this parabolic rise come crashing down after meme-link finishes doing launches.

>>15972260
as I said, do you have a point?

>>15972343
Then chart it by upmass per year.

>>15972343
dont worry anon, starlink satellites are in a low enough orbit, they will constantly need new ones launched to make up for older ones falling out of orbit

>>15972311
Just repeal that bullshit law so you can make normal jets. Weird that Boeing hasn't lobbied for it yet.

>>15972343
The full constellation is over 30k satellites not to mention they will need to be replaced eventually.

>>15972302
give me the source and weight or fuck off

That guy is obese. I don't trust him.

>>15972351
people don't like when their windows break anon, that's why the laws were made in the first place

>>15972349
>>15972352
true but I would like to see some real value launches soon other than sky internet, this is why I am counting the days until Starship changes space exploration forever with its payload capabilities.

>>15972269
Burgers really know how to make a pompous speech, it's an art

why is the audio so weird?

>>15972259
you can do it like that, but its going to result in a rocket that costs more, takes longer to develop and is less performant
in short, its not a good idea

>>15972343
All Starlink sats have planned obsolescence built in.
They sit low enough in orbit that atmospheric drag will eventually kill them when their thrusters run out of juice.

The launches will never stop.

>>15972269
when are they going to show it? and talk about the specs
I don't care about these geezers

>>15972364
boomers aren't very good at A/V

>>15972363
We can't help it. We learned it from dad (the british).

>>15972288
so what you are saying, probes don't bring any value? why didn't you just say so

They're all fat

>>15972311
that is pretty cool, there are a number of supersonic plane startups

>>15972358
>people don't like when their windows break anon
That's just the usual hustle and bustle of a big city.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_sonic_boom_tests

why so many zoomers in the youtube chat?

>>15972355
>give me the source

Look up HALO's lsunch mass.

>>15972382
Chat is disabled tho

>>15972381
lmao I love the cold war so much

>>15972385
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjCdGqgD9Bs

GET ON WITH IT
https://youtu.be/sXE8LdXzeHM?si=lvfbn1sXTgBK0IeZ
I WANNA SEE THE FUCKING AIRPLANE

>>15972343
30k full constellation with 5 year lifetime, so 6k satellites need to be launched per year
the original mass was so starship could launch something like 400 per launch, but the bigger version is maybe something like 100 (might be less but that is an easy number)
so keeping Starlink online is going to require on the order of 60 launches of Starship by itself and before Starship launches get ramped up they are going to keep launching them with Falcon 9s
Starship will have to demonstrate capabilities necessary for HLS first before they can start launching a lot of starlink sats, so F9 will be used in the mean time

NASA is gay, and acts like they are changing the world with every project they undertake (which they used to do)
But now? The only thing NASA changes are the number of 0s in defense contractor’s bank accounts

REEEEEEEEEEEEE JUST PULL THE FUCKING TARP ALREADY

>>15972384
allright then, fuck off

bro why are zoomers/alphas edging to the plane in the chat?

>>15972398

Remember when chuck yeager put on lipstick and did a huge, EPIC press conference before breaking the hecking sound barrier??

60k people watching?
I'm surprised people even know about this, even zoomers apparently

>>15972397
They are Indian men

>>15972399

>the future of air travel is no front-facing window

>>15972398
>>15972399
>>15972404
Locksneed deserves an award for the lamest supersonic jet ever produced.

>>15972404

>>15972409

Doesn't look like a bus.
Won't operate like a bus.
Won't be commercially viable.
Even billionaires wouldn't spend the cash to fly in an uncomfortable box just to travel 20% faster.

Jim Free is a filthy snake

>>15972395
>ask for source
>get mad when given source

many such cases

>>15972413
where is the source?

>>15972413
nta, but:
>just look up the source yourself
>I gave you the source, bro
is kind of disingenuous

>>15972212
I get why they worded it that way but focusing on the drop aircraft and not the chase plane or ground equipment monitoring it makes it seem like the only thing nasa is good for is grunt work that any freight contractor could do

god damn Jim Free is so fucking boring

>>15972418
LONGER

>>15972418
LONGER!

bro said he was fat :skull:

>>15972404
NOOOOOOOOO
I knew it was gonna happen but the duckbill was so fucking cute, I hate pitot tubes

>>15972381
> However, in the first 14 weeks, 147 windows in the city's two tallest buildings,
nothing personnel kid

>>15972364
space is hard

>NASA gets things done

Yeah we can totally avoid sonic booms. All we need is a uh.... nose longer than the runway.

>>15972419
>>15972417
Why do you keep dodging the launch mass of HALO as you first did in >>15972215

>>15972423
>>15972426

I appreciate that just the written physics and maths of it are enough to know it'll be quiet but it feels a bit presumptuous to make a speech about it before it's actually demonstrated the ability

TIME TRAVEL??????

nothing is beyond our reach

>>15972436
post the total launch mass, an excerpt where it is said that Falcon Heavy could not launch it due to payload adapter and link a source for it
you made very specific claims and just keep shitposting about "google it"
kill yourself

>>15972443
NOT EXACTLy !!

>>15972442
Such is the way of doing things these days at nuNASA. All hype no widgets.

>2032-2035

> X-59 Quesst
why is there two ss?
the SS plane kek
based

https://www.nasa.gov/mission/quesst/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0j_yQrZS4E&list=PLiuUQ9asub3SMyogFLHvHRdYJXEe8E4TP

>>15972445
If you were honest and stated HALO's launch mass you would be forced to admit it is well below Falcon Heavy's paper specs.

https://twitter.com/johnkrausphotos/status/1745912295140770200

>>15972479
https://aviationweek.com/defense-space/space/ulas-vulcan-rocket-nails-debut-flight

>>15972467
I'm not going to waste my time trying collaborate some bullshit you came up with
I simply asked for a source, for some reason you can't do that and keep yapping
"use google" is not a source

What the fuck happened that triggered so many messages

https://www.americaspace.com/2021/07/10/nasa-northrop-grumman-finalize-lunar-gateway-integration-contract/
>“Overall length of the pressure shell alone is about 23 feet (7 meters), while the complete HALO with interfacing structures and docking system is almost 29.5 feet (9 meters),” Northrop Grumman told us. “The diameter of the pressure shell is the same as Cygnus: about 10 feet (3 meters). Overall HALO mass is dependent on the final internal layout configuration and launch vehicle lift capability and is expected to be in the range of 17,600 pounds (8,000 kg) to 22,000 pounds (10,000 kg).”

>>15972484
NASA unveiled the X-69 SeXplane

>>15972480
The engine section of Vulcan reminds me of a mini SLS

>>15972467
I'm not going to waste my time trying corroborate some bullshit you came up with
I simply asked for a source, for some reason you can't do that and keep yapping
"use google" is not a source

>>15972490
>ayo dis blud be yapping fr fr no cap only in ohio

>>15972489
except it's like 1/4 the upmass for 1/200 the cost

>>15972489
That’s pretty much what single core Deltas were. Although it’s sort of handwaiving to say an SLS SSME = Delta RS-68

>>15972508
The strength of the miracle made the window.

>>15972508
>Space Launch System Space Shuttle Main Engine
Rolls right off the tongue

>>15972490
Wearing your ignorance as a badge of valor is not a good look, especially when an anon already provided a citation.

>>15972508
Delta IV medium, H2 and H3 are more fitting due to orange rocket snd hydrolox

what is up with this retard ITT trying to prove to himself that falcon heavy is actually not capable of it's full payload
we really need to start a eugenics program to get rid of these people.

>>15972479
in reply
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1745919393756754240
>Congratulations @ULA, @blueorigin & @JeffBezos!

>>15972521
It might be that ULA fag

>>15972523
sorry I'm a retard, thought the other anon just posted the tweet from Kraus

>>15972521
see
>>15972485

>>15972521
I googled a bit and didn't see anything about the payload adapter that was the limiting factor for HALO + PPE (18 tonnes or something) getting sent to NRHO, seemed more like it was about DV in the GAO report, not the payload adapter
of course the fag didn't want to link those because he pulled that shit out of their ass

why would SpaceX list 63,8 tonnes to LEO if they could not do it?
also reinforcing something as trivial as an adapter does not seem like a problem whatsoever

total ULA death

>>15972533
Falcon Heavy is delivering PPE/HALO to LEO not NRHO, PPE/HALO will spend a year flying itself from LEO to NRHO.

If youre with Boeing, youre not going.

>>15972542
I don't believe anything you say anymore

>>15972533
why do peoplelaways quite the spacex website as a source when they are known to post hypothetical performance rather than real world performance?

>>15972487
nice

>>15972549
You don't have to believe me, you can read the citations that anon already linked in the thread.

>>15972553
you like like you breathe, I guess that comes naturally to old space

>>15972556
I don't know what like like breathing is, does it relate to your refusal to read the quote from Northrop?

>>15972545

What's the lowest effort means of staying apprised of the biggest launches the day or the day before they happen? I want to watch Falcon Heavy, SLS, and big science mission launches live; but I don't want to be bogged down in notifications that don't pertain to aforementioned categories.

That'll be $200 Billion dollars please

>>15972571
KEEEEEEEEK

>>15972574
You forgot tax + tip for the transbian latinx bipoc womans space grade estrogen pills.

>>15972349
Until the QI thruster is proven to work that is

>>15972574
16 SLS launches to get 2 crew on a cuckbox to mars for 30 days, total duration of crewed mission 650 days

https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1745941814165815717

THE TALK

>>15972574
What a shit, overcomplicated, overpriced, underperforming plan

>>15972594
maximizes pork for the minimal boots on ground mission

>>15972590
ok done watching it, wow that was good

>>15972590
>RRR space pirate
lel

>>15972595
4 crew to Mars is ludicrous

>>15972590
KEEEK THEY HAVE A LATINX SHIRT

>>15972259
>me when i discuss the 'energy' of rockets

>>15972590

Weird looking igloo

>>15972609
pretty low energy vulcan next to the delta 4

>>15972533
but anon, how else can he whine about spacex.
it's hard enough to come up with legitimate reasons to root for ULA as it is, don't take this from him :(

I wonder how close X is to increasing the video quality, 1080p at least would be nice

>In 8 years I think we would have landed on Mars, sent people to the Moon and if we are lucky we would have sent people to mars within 8 years

>>15972563
>n-nooooo you cant just slightly reinforce a docking adapter
>it's impossible
>falcon heavy must not be able to launch it's publicly stated capacity because I SAID SO

>>15972590
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1745946082150867075

> we have done 19 flights, we are qualifying falcon to do 40 flights and we are aiming for as much as 150 flights this year

>15 years since we got anything to orbit (Falcon 1 fourth launch)

>80% of mass to orbit
>should increase 50% this year so it will be on the order of 90% of mass to orbit
MOGGED

>There is a path for Starship to do 200 tonnes to orbit with full reusability
at 18min

>>15972654
>we are not overshadowing oldspace enough
>they must be embarrassed further.

>>15972655
sounds like long-term optimism, maybe in 15 years they will get there after really optimizing the mass.

>As of last year the dragons fleet time on orbit exceeded the time on orbit of Shuttle fleet
>over 1300 days of time on orbit as of last year
>dragon has visited the space station more than the space shuttle as well

>all of the dragons last year used flight proven dragons
>this year we are planning to do 7 or 8 dragon missions

>>15972590
>let's go through everything that spacex has done, that you have achieved, it will take a while.

but i thought musk only took credit for his engineers, wtf journosisters how could this be?

>>15972623
>suite redesigned to be mobile
>whole dragon will be evacuated and people in dragon will be in vacuum as well

> another great milestone to get a spacewalk
> we want to have a spacesuit you can walk around in, walk around on the moon and mars
> a high mobility spacesuit that isn't crazy expensive and can walk around in comfortably is a big deal and a important thing that needs to be developed and ultimately made in large numbers
>if we send a million people to mars, that is a million spacesuits or a million marssuits

>musk mentions they're going to launch kuiper sats
>crowd of engies all chuckling
can you imagine the smugness?

> this might be the number one thing that improves peoples standard of living around the world

>>15972683
Tb honest it's true, other than GPS I can't think of another space project that genuinely improves quality of life

>>15972686
9k active spacelasers

>>15972689
wow, that's more than i actually expected.

>goal to activate service for more than half of the worlds population

>>15972661
Isn't most of that because the shuttle had fuel cells instead of solar panels and couldn't draw power from the station to recharge them?

>>15972694
probably

>opened starlink factory at bastrop

>>15972693
>the bright line on the eastern ukrainian border

>>15971719
>large govt catering companies are generally not known for their speed and flexibility.
or cost effectiveness

orbital test when?

>that first launch did take a while to get off the pad, I was worried there for a second

>>15972693
damn, i never realised how big sweden is, it literally extends from north africa to the nigerian coast!

>>15972710
well the next launch should be in February, not sure if its going to be orbital

>>15972714
fag.

> with some upgrades Starship will probably have over 20 million pounds of thrust compared to Saturn 5s 7.5 million pounds
>there is a pretty good chance it will do earth-to-earth transport as well

>>15972694
Fuel cell cryogenics limited the shuttle to 12-14 day missions, but when the Station-to-Shuttle Power Transfer System was installed in 2006 the max duration only jumped to 16 days so there had to be some other things that weren't that far behind the cells. My guess would be something in the life support system like CO2 filters.

>>15972654
>rest of the world is on the decline
what went wrong?

> we are going to be upgrading one tower while we launch from the other tower so two towers is important

>>15972689
>laser beams that are 3000km long
what the fuck

>>15972675
nah, pretty sure most people in a Mars city won't ever do an EVA

qrd on Musk's update?

>>15972717
not me btw

>there were so many upgrades between flight one and two it would take hours to get through them all, but one of the big upgrades was going from hydraulic to electric actuation of the engines
> that saved a lot of mass and complexity
>we also massively upgraded the heat shield
>the engines were massively upgraded
>there might have been thousands of upgrades between flight one and two
>also many improvements between flight two and three
>we got a whole development plan to get to a fully reusable rocket that does over 200 tonnes to orbit on a regular basis

>>15972732
try and stop us.jpg

>>15972731
well maybe not, but people will still need one for emergencies if there is a breach or problem with scrubbers or whatever
and when I think about it, why wouldn't they? It will probably be a requirement for basic survival to know how to do an EVA even if most don't need to do it regularly
a bit like knowing how to swim if you live in a archipelago and have to go from island to island

> hot staging was a change that happened in three to four months

>>15971663
I'm more excited by how much Starship can cut down probe travel time. SLS could deliver Europa Clipper to Jupiter in 3 years compared to 6 years by Falcon Heavy. A cheap and ready SHL rocket would be amazing for outer solar system missions. Also great for telescopes since you can make them big without all the folding complexity.
>>15972048
I'm crossing my finger some billionaire will take interest in space exploration beyond just paying to fuck around in LEO for a few days. I wish Musk had autism for Alien life the same way he has for space settlement.

>Flight 2 almost made it to orbit
>in fact ironically if it had had a payload, it would have made it to orbit, the reason it quite didn't make it to orbit was that we vented the liquid oxygen and the liquid oxygen ultimately lead to a fire and an explosion
>we wanted to vent the liquid oxygen because we normally would not have that liquid oxygen if we had a payload
>ironically if it had a payload, it would have reached orbit
>I think we have a really good shot at reaching orbit on flight 3
>rapid cadence to achieve full and rapid reusability
>the mindblowing thing is that there is an actual path we are on to make life multiplanetary, can you freaking believe that

>>15972749
For probes we need investment and R&D in in-space propulsion- electric sails, plasma magnet, so we don't have to rely on slower, less efficient gravity assists because the chemical rockets are doing most of the legwork including slow ass ion engines

>>15972752
>the reason it quite didn't make it to orbit was that we vented the liquid oxygen and the liquid oxygen ultimately lead to a fire and an explosion
what, how?

>want to get to a high cadence
>every time we launch we learn something new
>always better to sacrifice hardware than sacrifice time
>time is the one true currency
>the fastest path to a rapidly reusable and reliable rocket

>version 2 ship that will be more reliable, better performance and endurance
>we got a version 3 ship design that will stretch, be even taller, probably end up being 140 meters before its all said and done. maybe even 150 in the end

>>15972761
lmao

>>15972761
vulcan seggs

You think there is a fighting chance the U.S. hits 200 orbital launches this year?

-144 Falcon 9 launches
-16 ULA launches are on the manifest this year
Rocket Lab has 20+ electron launches scheduled this year
-Let’s say 1-3 launches for New Glenn, Firefly, RS1
-1 launch for Neutron
-??? Starship launches

>South Korea's science ministry said Thursday it aims to launch a full-fledged space agency in May
>Korea AeroSpace Administration (KASA)
its amazing to me that countries are so far behind on spaceflight, even advanced ones

>>15972772
No way ULA and Rocket Lab meet those figures

>with flight 1 the goal was not to blow the pad up
>with flight 2 it was to get past staging, we achieved getting past staging almost to orbit
>with flight 3 the goal we want to get to orbit and do an in-space engine burn from the header tank and prove that we can reliably de-orbit
>we want to do a tipping point header-to-main propellant transfer, this is important for NASA Artemis programme
> we also want to demonstrate the payload door (pez dispenser) for starlink, V2 non-mini, probably V3 technically, really giant satellites

KEY POINTS FROM THE TALK

IFT2 failed because they vented excess LOX to compensate the lack of payload and the LOX exploded

New mini Starlink router that fits in a backpack

Starship will do 200t to orbit with full reusability

Starship will be 150m tall

They will do the first spacewalk, starlink dispender and refilling tests this year

Elon mentioned point-to-point again

>>15972780
>IFT2 failed because they vented excess LOX to compensate the lack of payload and the LOX exploded
>IFT2 failed because they vented excess LOX to compensate the lack of payload and the LOX exploded
that sounds easy to fix

>>15972780
>spacewalk
he is talking about the Polaris space suits here?

>>15972785
yes, the one with Dragon

>>15972780
pretty good summary, they are planning to do a in-space burn during flight 3

>>15972784
lol why not vent after seco?

>>15972773
What gets to me is How all the companies looking to take advantage of commercial space launches seems to be mostly commercial, several of which has a backround in working at SpaceX

>>15972785
yes when that pic comes up >>15972623
>>15972669
>>15972675

>>15972780
so IFT2 would have succeeded if they stuck a dummy payload in it? shame. here's hoping they stick a 100 ton concrete block in the next one

>>15972780
>Starship will do 200t to orbit with full reusability
>Starship will be 150m tall
That's a big rocket

> as I said the mass to orbit ultimately of Starship will be million of tonnes of payload

>>15972623
when

>>15972752
So the second stage "leak" was not actually a leak?

>>15972794
getting closer to BFR
ITS when?

>we also want to demonstrate on-orbit refilling
>this is really important for the NASA Artemis programme
>I'm really grateful for NASA for their support and for trusting us to take astronauts and cargo to orbit and be an integral part of getting astronauts to the moon

MAKE SCIFI REAL

>>15972810
how do I get the green space babes?

BRILLIANT PEBBLES

>in order to go and land on the moon one of the technical challenges we have to solve is orbital refilling, where starships dock on orbit and transfer propellant
>we have got very good with docking because we have docked with dragon to the space station, which is actually more complicated than docking with our own spacecraft
>I'm confident we will solve this, ideally we want to solve it by the end of this year, but certainly by next year
>its one of the fundamental technologies to build a city on mars and have a moon base

>we will also launch some very big satellites
>worlds biggest pez dispenser
>we hope to do this by the end of this year

>>15972804
kino

> we want to far exceed what NASA has asked us to do
>we want to go far beyond NASAs requirements so we can get enough mass with enough frequency to have a permanently occupied moonbase
>that is the next really big threshold from Apollo, to have an actual moonbase
>we need a real moonbase alpha

>>15972780
I love SpaceX so much it’s unreal

>>15972822
>moving the goalpost from mars to the moon
lmao figures

>this is the long term goal, this is what we want mars to look like
>starships coming and going
>an incredible and beatiful mars city
>a flourishing civilization on mars
>ultimately we can transform mars to an earthlike planet with terraforming
>we could extend life from earth to mars

lol the cut the Questions portion

>>15972780
>Starship will do 200t to orbit with full reusability
Starship can put a fully loaded Space Shuttle orbiter into Orbit with full reuseability

>>15972802
>>15972752
>>15972760
Because there was no payload there was excess propellant which would have made Starship a giant bomb in orbit/suborbit. To counter this SpaceX dumped LOX, which somehow got into the engine section and caused a detonation. This started a fire which triggered the AFTS.

>>15972825
what are you talking about, that is just for Artemis
Musk just wants moon to be occupied as well

>>15972825
How is that the takeaway you got from that?

>>15972831
ahhh I see

>>15972830
yeah and? so could space shuttle

>>15972831
that makes sense

What caused SH to fail?

>>15972836
>with full reusability
come_on_now.jpg

>>15972836
The shuttle couldn't carry a fully loaded shuttle into orbit

>>15972752
>having to throw oxygen overboard cause their failure to orbit
wew lad
shoulda put some fucking cheese wheels in that bitch

>>15972772
It's not impossible, but it requires Vulcan pulling off an absurd flight rate for a rocket in its first year of business, and it requires Kuiper to process the data from their test satellites and get to mass production faster than OneWeb (eleven months) or Starlink (fifteen months) so that Atlas and Vulcan have enough payloads to meet that high cadence. It also expects that Rocket Lab isn't going to fuck up another upper stage and have to pause for a few months, and that all of those twenty payloads of theirs show up on time. One of these payloads is a solar sail test and is likely cursed. 144 Falcon 9s is also very ambitious. I'm not saying they can't after what they did in 2023, but it's a big achievement if they do.

Neutron isn't flying in 2024. If they don't start making some progress on Archimedes then 2025 might even be in doubt. RS1 could get two launches, and four for Firefly doesn't seem impossible, but Alpha really need to get some indisputable successes if they want to keep their customers. New Glenn gets maybe one launch.

>>15972780
>refilling this year
BROS???? BROS WHATS GOING ON RIGHT NOW MY HEAD FEELS LIGHT

>>15972830
A space shuttle orbiter would never fit in it.

So the Starship stack is about 120m now and up to 150m in the future
going to have to build that other tower before they can start testing stretched ships if they want to keep high cadence

>>15972780
I just remembered he said we wouldn't have humans on Mars in 8 years, which is weirdly unoptimistic for Elon

https://twitter.com/johnkrausphotos/status/1745953200279036260

>>15972857
what is this guy's "mobile workflow" that he needs backpack sized satellite internet instead of a regular mobile connection? is he doing remote work IT from a mountaintop?

>>15972857
yeah we know
>>15972780

>>15972853
I wonder why

>>15972839
water hammer

https://twitter.com/whoisheartbreak/status/1745948671626359232

Girltalk

>>15972851
>>15972870
Shut up nigger

>>15972862
He's a professional spaceflight photographer. His job is to be at every major launch with a camera.

>>15972763
>+20-30 meters
it's only 50 as it is

>>15972862
that's a fairly reasonable thing to be doing though isn't it? linemen, search and rescue ops, fire lookout, game wardens etc may all want fast internet in the middle of nowhere

>>15972590
33min cut version (down from 1h)

>>15972888
thank you so much for linking it

https://twitter.com/rookisaacman/status/1745972094477676782

>>15972017
>NOT
>>15972020
>FOR
>>15972022
>FLIGHT

>>15972870
jesse "pierced nipples" anderson?

>>15972898
https://twitter.com/rookisaacman/status/1745973922808373697

Polaris mission objectives

>>15972902
>all these people getting hyped up over a pathfinder designed to test the launch pad fittings
lmao

>>15972905
https://twitter.com/rookisaacman/status/1745974048419397903

Jared is optimistic it will happen this year

>>15972905
the idea of prebreathing makes me queasy. I would rather just wear a balloon suit which i can barely move in.

>>15972914
you dont have the right stuff

>>15972870
https://twitter.com/haleykesparza/status/1745974848906461336

>>15972904
yes

https://twitter.com/SierraSpaceCo/status/1745895977838383388
> We build not for the few, but for the many.

>>15972920

>>15972927
it doesn't matter.
they're not landing anymore.
what's the point of continueing other than to say they did?

>gonna catch the largest flying object ever with giant mechanical arms
>taller than mechazilla
>we could give it legs too

>>15972927
>Moon is not where the spacecraft is now

>>15972939
huh the statue of liberty is shorter than I realized

>>15972918
if enough of us ask if she has an onlyfans she'll be forced to answer

>>15972905
>raise awareness for saint judes
literally everybody who buys groceries knows of their existence
>would you like to donate another dollar to help muh chillins hospital

goddamn, baby got back

>>15972927
the navajo nation has defeated them

>>15972952
If they all angled in towards each other could they form a psuedo-aerospike?

Fucking finally . An update where Musk actually brings new information AND gets me excited like a few years ago.
>>We are going to build Moon base Alpha

Yes yes yes ,thats what i want to hear

>>15972956
No. An aerospike doesn't work without a spike.
You would just increase your cosine losses

>>15972965
the exhaust from the middle three engines could be the "spike"

>>15972898
>first commercial spacewalk
do the iss ones not count? i thought the russians took some tourists on spacewalks.

>>15972950
going to school in the late 90s no one ever stfu about it. you would think it's the only hospital worth a shit

>>15972888
>>15972590
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8GZ0H0xSFo

youtube version of the 34min cut

>>15972850
Car crushing technology exists. I see no reason we can't scaling it up to a shuttle consolidator.

>>15972927
Updates like this should be mandatory for every NASA contractor.
I applaud them for being as transparent as seemingly possible about it.

>>15972963
it's been a while since we saw a talk from him where he's not just repeating his basic multiplanetary shtick.
he actually added new information this time.

>>15972972
https://twitter.com/farzyness/status/1745975230625952102

Original 34 min on X

>>15972978
Literally name one new thing he talked about that hasnt been said already

>>15972932
Say, this guy's right.
*applies handbrake*
*Peregrine screeches to a stop*
*gets run over by moon*

>>15972902
>>15972141
>Sources confirmed that this is the actual flight hardware

>>15972986
Just like mk1/mk2/sn1 were

>>15972952
Damn that's really fine and really quick control.