/sci/ - Science & Math

>>15968495
yeah meat human look like this, some look more like a rabbit.

Flint knives are over a million years old.

>>15968495
post body

>>15968495
Now post the stomach acidity.

Humans kill meat with their thumbed hands, not with their giant pointy teeth.

>>15968495
it's over for chuds, bbc wins again

>>15968495
We were scavengers eating whatever we could get for a couple million years (including carcasses). It's why our stomache acid is even more acidic then cats or other nearly pure carnivores. We then moved on to better things when we got a chance.

>>15968625
I see no clear correlation between diet and "acidity" (pH value).

>>15968653
pH of obligate and facultative scavengers (1.3 ± 0.08 and 1.8 ± 0.27) generalist carnivores (2.2 ± 0.44), omnivores (2.9 ± 0.33) specialist carnivores (3.6 ± 0.51) herbivores (3.4-5.9)

>>15968495
I guess you also think pandas cannot possibly be herbivores.. you are a genius:)

>>15968531
About 4 million actually, and humans are the primary cause of the current extinction even that's been going on for that amount of time.

>>15968653
>1.5
Humans confirmed as having garbage as their natural diet.

>>15968495
frogs have no teeth at all, what do they eat?

>>15968661
Nonsense. Dogs are scavengers.

>>15968495
Explain why ancient people didn't have teeth rot you stupid nigger
How did 700000 year old humans eat fruits and veggies when 95% of all plant foods we have today are *completely*?
>>15968687
If you eat only meat it drops to 1.2 and even below in some cases
this is on a shitty Western diet

>>15968755
*completely manmade
Eh what the fuck I just drop the copypasta
There is no point in wasting energy in debunking vegan bs over and over.
https://doi.org/10.1038/s41598-019-41033-3 - UPMHs ate mostly mammoth and reindeer as determined by stable isotope analysis of bone collagen.
https://doi.org/10.1093/ajcn/71.3.682 - 73% of hunter-gatherer societies derived at least 56%-65% of their macronutrients from meat; Data from the Ethnographic Atlas.
https://doi.org/10.1002/ajpa.24247 - Humans were hypercarnivores that hunted megafauna for around two million years.
https://doi.org/10.1111/geb.12881 - Humans are far more successful hunters than any other animal.
https://doi.org/10.1126/science.aac4249 Humans function as superpredators with predation rates up to 14 times higher than other animals.
https://doi.org/10.1038/s42003-023-04940-w - Humans exploit up to 300 times more species than comparable non-human predators
https://doi.org/10.1016/j.cub.2023.08.089 - Prey animals in the South African savannah are more afraid of humans than of lions.
https://doi.org/10.1023/a:1015827908309 - Human gastrointestinal pH is more in line with obligate scavengers and carnivores than with herbivores or omnivores.
https://doi.org/10.1002/jps.2600750313

>>15968756
https://doi.org/10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0134116 - Human stomach acid is very suited for digesting meat at a strong pH of 1.5 - even stronger than carnivores like dogs or cats
https://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/06/opinion/evolutions-sweet-tooth.html - "Simply put, humans evolved to crave sugar, store it and then use it. For millions of years, our cravings and digestive systems were exquisitely balanced because sugar was rare. Apart from honey, most of the foods our hunter-gatherer ancestors ate were no sweeter than a carrot. The invention of farming made starchy foods more abundant, but it wasn’t until very recently that technology made pure sugar bountiful." - Daniel E. Lieberman, paleoanthropologist at Harvard University, and Edwin M Lerner II Professor of Biological Sciences, and Professor in the Department of Human Evolutionary Biology

Vegans - The epitome of malnourishment:
https://rumble.com/v1mvjwe-vegans-the-epitome-of-malnourishment.html
https://rumble.com/v1pggp9-vegans-the-epitome-of-malnourishment-2.html
https://rumble.com/v1n86mo-vegans-the-epitome-of-malnourishment-3.html
https://rumble.com/v1n8tcq-vegans-the-epitome-of-malnourishment-4.html
https://rumble.com/v1salfu-vegans-the-epitome-of-malnourishment-5.html
https://rumble.com/v1meeus-vegans-the-epitome-of-malnourishment-6.html
https://rumble.com/v1lz976-vegans-the-epitome-of-malnourishment-7.html
https://rumble.com/v1lec03-vegans-the-epitome-of-malnourishment-8.html

>>15968495
look at human gut then compare it to a herbivore

Chimps eat meat.

>>15968756
>>15968760
Triggered

>>15968495
The flaw is that teeth aren't purely for eating. They're also used as weapons in male-to-male dominance displays.
https://www.newscientist.com/article/2299286-canine-teeth-shrank-in-human-ancestors-at-least-4-5-million-years-ago/
>Male hominins may have lost the extra-large canine teeth that are seen in most other male primates at least 4.5 million years ago - relatively early in our evolution. This suggests that male human ancestors became less aggressive with each other around the same time, possibly because females preferred less aggressive mates, says a researcher behind the finding.
>Modern-day human males have proportionately the smallest canines of all male great apes. For most other primates, such as gorillas and chimpanzees, males have significantly bigger canines than females. Larger canines have been linked with more fighting between males for access to females.
If teeth were used just for eating, then male primates wouldn't have needed significantly bigger canines than their female counterparts to eat the same diet.

>>15968770
>They're also used as weapons in male-to-male dominance displays.
And for initial kill. Primates tended to evolve safer, more standoffish means of delivering an initial kill.

>>15968495
That's utter nonsense on the level of racism and astrology.
Those animals use their mouths as weapons that's why they look like that, also chimps consume meat, actually even horses do, but chimp specifically hunt for meat.
So add a lime to your steak and you'll be dandy.

>>15968755
>Possum
>1.5
Have you SEEN what they eat? It's like mostly leaf litter and god knows what.

>>15968495
>biology asserts

>>15968495
even deer and squirrels and shit have been known to chomp down on hamburgers left in the woods for them

>>15968495
>picks photo of a chimp with the smallest canines they could find
kek

>>15968495
We always have these threads and its always the same retarded pictures of teeth. The teeth of an animal can only give a general idea of diet unless they're highly specialised. You wouldn't know from a grizzly bear's teeth that many populations eat 90% plants, and you wouldn't know from a boar's teeth that they will hunt animals as large as sheep. We don't have sharp teeth because we don't use them to kill prey, we have tools

>>15968836
>Stomach content analyses have been conducted on Virginia opossums throughout the United States, generally their diet is composed of 14 to 27% mammal tissues, 10 to 18% fruits, seeds and bulbs, 6 to 11% grasses and leaves, 3 to 13.5% insects, 5.5 to 9% earthworms and 3 to 5% birds. Other food items were found more specific to an animal’s location and included up to 22.5% reptiles and amphibians, 10% gastropods, 9% pet food, 9% garbage and up to 5% carrion.
https://animaldiversity.org/accounts/Didelphis_virginiana/
And what is this obssessing over one point with a really poor argument and no evidence?
Fuck off and eat your garbage broccoli already, vegnigger.

deer eating a rabbit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWvQfGXO6rI
elephant eating fish
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WEuDFjDdU4
cow eating a snake
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMmUHXiB4ak

even so-called herbivores prefer to eat meat when they can

>>15968647
Every species is a scavenger when they need to be.

>>15969024
deer will strip carcasses down to bomes

>>15968653
So humans are... scavengers?

>>15968899
>6 to 11% grasses and leaves
>9% garbage
>5% carion
That all sounds about right. Honestly I think a lot of possums are literally eating forest litter.

>>15969024
Damn, herbivores is a myff! Everything is a carnivore! QED TIL

>>15968495
>eat only meat
>turn into jacked musclebro

>eat only vegetables
>turn into feeble, sickly bug person

hmmmmmmm

>>15968861
animals in nature can't be picky they have to eat anything they can to survive
they are still herbivores, these classifications are made on the basis of anatomy (not teeth however) not behavior, particularly the length of the digestive system

>>15969401
I look like this and select avocados like this.

all cave paintings i have seen show humans as hunters none of them as vegans

it's obvious humans are carnivores, though a better term would be lipivores, one should get 60-80% of calories from animal fat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDZg8S24nsw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qn5zdWucv6I&pp=ygUPaG9tbyBjYXJuaXZvcnVz

>>15969499
you don't have to live like this...

>>15969512
You're right. Avocados are a scam. I'll stop eating them. Thanks.

>>15969401
k

>>15969502
>every herbivore is a ruminant
Retard. Bastard child of negligent parents. Downy super star. Humans are hindgut fermenters, like most herbivores.

>>15969516
>eat 5 pounds of lentils a day to get the protein normal people get from a burger

>>15969561
Lentils have more protein per unit mass than meat.

>>15969574
But they taste like lentils.

>>15969574
They're less bioavailable and contain fewer vitamins, you're effectively malnourishing yourself you stupid nigger

>>15969623
>meat has more vitamins than legumes and veggies
Cringe. B12 maybe, but nowadays the B12 in meat comes from supplements, so might as well cut out the middleman.
>n-word
Racism outside of /b/ is a rule violation.
>>15969575
Fair, that's why I normally eat stuff like beyond meat and not just a pile of lentils.

>>15969575
>>15969627
>But they taste like lentils.
>Fair
No. I eat meat and I'm white but misir wot, dahl and any fresh curry base diluted with water and lentils taste better and more satisfying than meat. Easier to digest too if it's red lentils or a softer variety.

>>15969646
I suppose personal preference is not determined by diet or race then.

>>15969627
animal-sourced foods have more bioavailable forms of nutrients than plants, e.g. retinol vs betacarotene, D2 vs D3, heme vs non-heme iron etc, calcium, zinc and choline you can also get much more easily from animal foods

https://www.clinicalnutritionjournal.com/article/S0261-5614(20)30656-7/fulltext
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21139125/
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1751731107657796

>>15969574
until you look at the protein bioavailability index

>>15969518
if you eat only plants, you will generate up to 5% of your daily calories from fermentation
literally go kill yourself you retarded child harming fucking vegan nigger

>>15969653
>you can also get much more easily from animal foods
Easy as in what? You get sufficient nutrients from a plant-based diet, so what does easy mean in this context? You can get away with fewer calories to meet your micronutrient needs? You get more than you need so you can piss them out?

>>15969099
How can you be this retarded?
He literally just explained to you how a good 50% or more of their diet are animal based and you somehow just ignore that and repeat yourself?
>hurrrr forest litter
Yeah because there is MEAT lying on the fucking forest floor everywhere you god damn retard.
They literally hunt poisonous snakes.
Vegans have to be the most damn retarded low IQ brain fart shitheads ever in history.
You think it is all a big joke, but I am serious when I say this, your brain is literally malfunctioning as we speak.
You do not have the nutrients to make a single rational decision.
You are so low IQ, so delude, that you should be transported off to a mental asylum as a risk of public security.

>>15969646
>>15969651
Maladaptive habits determined through gut flora and childhood habits.
Especially the mothers diet has a huge effect on which foods the child will want to eat later on.

>>15969574
And it's DIAAS scores are way lower because the amino acid ratios and relative absorption are way worse to the point where you will have to eat multiple types of beans and lentils, at a caloric surpluss of like 600-800 calories.
That's perfect if you want to be either fat or weak.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJNF2_dCWkg
There you go, good little video to make you understand.
Sources are all in the description.

>>15969659
why are there so many studies showing vegans and vegetarians are malnourished

>>15968495
>chimps
>frugivores
Just because stupid zookeepers feed them a diet of kiwis and banana, which ironically makes them obese, doesn't mean that they are pure frugivores.
They are omnivores and they literally hunt other primates.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkGvblv_ts4
>>15969078
Several million years ago, yes.
Over time we hunted increasingly more, until we caused mass extinctions on every continent, which gradually forced us to transfer to agriculture about 15000 to 5000 years ago.
It's partly why there is such a huge disgust reaction to gay males, for instance.

>>15968653
>I see no clear correlation
Please tell me you're not a scientist. You're the kind of pseud who would have seen Hubbles data, threw your hands in the air and say no obvious correlation exists.

>>15969627
>nowadays the B12 in meat comes from supplements

>>15969707
The ranges have vast overlaps. You cannot identify a group/diet from the pH value alone. Yes, there is a certain trend visible, but given a pH value, you couldn't place a species in one of these categories.

>>15969726
>given a pH value, you couldn't place a species in one of these categories.
Yes you could. You make a trend with an average value and a confidence interval. Then given a pH value you place a species in its respective predicted category with some confidence. I don't even need to quantitatively analyze the trend because the conclusion is obvious. Humans are scavengers/carnivores with much higher confidence than being frugivores or herbivores. While you can certainly conclude any category from the data, it doesn't take a statistician to observe which is more likely.

>>15969713
>pigs in factory farms magically make B12 out of thin air when their free-range relatives need bacteria from the ground or animal meat for that
https://www.asi.k-state.edu/extension/swine/swinenutritionguide//pdf/KSU%20Vitamin%20Sources%20for%20Swine%20Diets%20fact%20sheet.pdf
Note that cattle are a bit different due to the bacteria in their rumen. Cows normally only need cobalt supplements, not B12 supplements.

>>15968495
At least we know biology is an autistic shit science now.
Amazing post though. Well worth building the underlying infrastructure to communicate this enlightening factoid. Humans eats sealbananas and cowplums and fishsticks. I'm so smarter now.

>>15969733
>with some confidence
I'm 33% certain that an animal with a stomach pH of 3.5 is a carnivore, 33% certain that it's an omnivore and 33% certain that it's a herbivore.

>>15969739
>Cows [don't need] B12 supplements.

>>15969741
Show line of best fit & associated errors please. You don't actually analyze data by guessing, do you?

>>15969671
>habits determined through gut flora and childhood habits.
>Especially the mothers diet has a huge effect on which foods the child will want to eat later on.
Agreed.
>>15969671
>Maladaptive
That's highly controversial if you don't stare yourself blind on the debate between malnourished delusional vegans versus based carnivores. I'm sad that there's not a more complicated discussion but I'm literally tired of arguing with both woke and based ideologies so I'm not taking the initiative.

>>15969747
>line of best fit
Physics undergrad spewing nonsense he heard in a lecture once detected.

>>15969784
Nta but want to contribute clarity: isn't this roughly the case?
>carnivores: more low than medium or high pH
>herbivores: more medium and high than low pH
>omnivores: more medium than low or high pH

Of course selection bias of data and definitions of categories are problematic. It might also be tricky if distributions within categories are more normal than pareto.

>>15969676
I learnt more about nutrition from a short paper on pig nutrition than I did from three textbooks...

>>15969627
>Racism outside of /b/ is a rule violation.

>>15968495
don't care. meat is nice and i digest it perfectly.

>>15969627
>beyond meat
you poor indoctrinated bastard

>>15970012

>>15970053
>Farming (You)s is hard work mate. but it's honest work.
>I used to work in /pol/itics you know, glad I gave it up, sick of the ***** and *******

>>15969690
because
A. They eat "raw foods"
B. They eat processed goyslop
or
C. They eat only salads and fruits

A plant based diet can contain as much nutrients as you need and all except B12.
As a matter of fact excess of certain nutrients, even water as you know, is toxic.

A meat based diet might give you what the body needs as a base to survive, but a meat based diet doesn't optimize the body for longevity, hence it's not the optimal diet for health. You can live on food from mcdonalds too but it doesn't meant that it's a good diet.

Humans didn't evolve to eat a specific diet because that's not how evolution works, all that's needed is a diet that let's you survive past 20 and let's you procreate. So as said earlier, a mcdonalds diet is good enough.

However if you want to study health, longevity and what's the most beneficial for the human body you can quickly see, just as all longevity scientists that a plant based diet is MUCH healthier for the body.

Maybe meat gives excess of a certain amino acids, maybe it's too much protein, we don't know everything yet but plants as of current research are better for health. Excess protein does at least age you faster, that's known. Excess protein overstimulates IGF1 and mTOR which then ages you. So maybe it's even because they lack nutrients, maybe you're overdosing on certain ones on a meat based diet and they cause problems making you age faster, hence die earlier

>>15968495
>biology asserts
He meant biologist asserts, right? Because fields of study aren't sentient.

>>15970119
what's excess protein? there is no upper bound for protein intake

>>15970119
Holy fucking based

>>15970119
bryan johnson also takes 100 pills, testosterone, i don't know what else, you can't ascribe everything just to his veganism, I have no idea who the other people are

>>15969690

"Malnutrition" does not exist.

>>15970119
>protein bad
>check out these millionaires
This is your brain on shit you find on the ground.

>>15970179
go on a diet of only rice then

>>15970179
Once again proof /sci/ is the place of the brightest minds of the world. Real scientific discussion here boys

>>15970182

Supposed effects of any number of diets other than rice only are just as bad or worse, yet only some of said diets are classified as "malnutrition".

>>15970192

"Malnutrition" is a pathologization of diets not currently sanctioned by Power. Note how none of the obvious ill effects of diets sanctioned by Power (obesity, gout, diabetes, etc.) are classified as "malnutrition", even though they would fit the etymology of the term as well as the etiology of the supposed illness.

>>15970197
There might be file uploads today faggits cause I think I did it.

Something else to toss out here - every hunter-gather group that has been documented by people who could write shit down was known to eat meat pretty much whenever they could get it*. This is true of groups living in the high Arctic, Amazon Rainforest, Australian Outback, and pretty much everywhere in between. Archeological evidence of humans eating meat goes back to before modern humans even developed, with markings from stone tools on animal bones being found. And some of the very earliest writing is about recording livestock trades. Meat eating has been normal for humans since our species arose.

*Some groups will have taboos against specific kinds of meat, I.E. the aboriginal Tasmanians would not eat fish, but would gladly eat other animals.

>>15970197
Wtf is this schizo shit. There is no malnutrition. There is malnourishment which is very different from what you failed at describing

>>15970206
kys now schizo

2M4VDS

>>15970119
I agree that vegan diets are misrepresented but that does point out the problem that vegans themselves cause especially when working with government, business and social media that abuse veganism, environmentalism and animal rights for other priorities like money and power. Vegans corrupt their interests for a taste of riches and fame.

Vegans would look less dishonest by clearly defining an optimal vegan diet to avoid the no true scotsman fallacy. Vegans will then run into dilemma's because no one is going to commit to eating plain boiled legumes so then vegans need to introduce controversies like frying spices in vegetable oil to make legumes tasty, oil-free alternatives like asian bean condiments or saturated fats like coconut milk.

So you can't define a optimal yet attractive vegan diet.

>>15970209
If they defined an optimal vegan diet then they'd have to be rigid with it, which could cause shortages of certain foods. Furthermore they'd have to openly admit that this "optimally" healthy diet requires supplemental vitamins to not literally get sick from malnourishment

>>15969518
you can only get 200kcal that way, that's nothing

>>15970200
>>15970206

"Meat" as in animal muscle tissue is a byproduct of an excrement-bone-organ-tendon-teeth-fur-skin-horns-hooves slurry (hormones, vaccines, "chemicals" and God knows what else have been recently added) force-fed to people as a humiliation ritual. Note how "trad" meat dishes (haggis, rotten fish, raw goat testicles, etc. are universally revolting).

>>15970229
head cheese and liver are delicious tho

Humas where primarily frugivore as op indicates, like our close relatives, we also consumed insects and small preys like fish. Where they first evolved fruits were abundant and human-human relationships mattered the most to ensue survival. When humans moved into more hostile (non tropical) environments they started to heavily rely on hunting and became extremelly narcissistic, and self preservation became each individual's top priority. Fast forward now we singlehandedly became a extinguishing force on the planet, keep being extremelly narcissistic despite being capables of securing ourselves abundant food, we reproduced like a plague and now we are awaiting the predators or T cells that will put a out-of-balance species in check again.

Entities who are in control want you to keep eating meat because it keeps you on a state of emergency and survival, hence you are easily manipulable. That's for the mear part, they will also feed you a lot of other shit but that's beyond this discussion.

>>15970234

And?

>>15970236
other species don't matter, they're not sentient, it's fine to eat them

>>15970142
Not in the sense that you will die no, but it seems like excessive protein has negative consequences by the response signaling that it causes
>>15970181
2 of them are regular workers, one is a teacher, the other a photographer, they are average workers not millionaires. Your can give me a rebuttal instead of throwing out stupid assumptions.
You could have read the text instead of looking at the picture, but I suspect that's too hard for you considering your braindead reply.

>>15970264
>2 of them are regular workers
Cite your bullshit.
>Your can give me
kek
>You could have read the text instead of looking at the picture
Is the word protein in the picture?
>but I suspect that's too hard for you considering your braindead reply.
Respect is earned never given.

>>15970264
>excessive protein has negative consequences by the response signaling that it causes
The protein activates mTOR which accelerates growth / cancer and aging argument is dead. Now define an optimal vegan diet already.

>>15970272
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-8XHdx6GmI

This link can be found in Chuando's instagram bio
https://www.avemanagement.com/contact/
>HISTORY
>Founded in 2004 by Internationally Acclaimed Fashion Photographers CHUANDO & FREY

>>15968495
>>15968653
Confirmed:
Our natural diet is fruit and scavenging dead bodies.

>>15970287
>youtube money
>Acclaimed fashion photographer since 2004 from Singapore
>regular workers
Anon I...

>>15970293
She stopped doing Youtube so likely she didn't earn much, she's still a teacher according to her instagram.
He still works as a photographer and yes, maybe he is successful and has money now, but in 2004 he was still 38 years so he must have looked good/taken care of himself before he was well off.
You're grasping at straws, you cannot prove either of them are millionaires either, I can at least show you they are regular workers even if one of the MIGHT be well off after working for 40 years.

>>15970301
Your n = 4, you want to talk about grasping at straws while your data is cherry picked where 3 out of 4 participants are demonstrably wealthy? That's adorable. You're right about the teacher though, she isn't a Youtuber. Good for her. What do you think the odds are if I keep digging I'll come across at least a middle class upbringing? Show me this outcome on the poors grazing on grass then I'll kneel.

>>15970310
>>You could have read the text instead of looking at the picture
>Is the word protein in the picture?
You keep talking about the picture even though I never mentioned any of them. You're still grasping at straws, I don't care about any of them. Bryan Johnson for example did not come from a rich family, he is rich now but didn't get rich until 30.
But again, no point in arguing with a brainlet like you since you can't make actual arguments.
>waaaah they are on the internet and they look good they must be rich! and since they are rich they inject baby blood and that's why they are young!!!!!!
retarded nigger

>>15969726
>You cannot identify a group/diet from the pH value alone.
That's why we can use context such as humans eating meat to tell us that humans eat meat.

>>15970330
>autistic screeching
It matters if they're wealthy because the wealth is what gives them the opportunity to maintain their health which stands in direct opposition of your claim of excess protein being a detriment to health. You can't demonstrate that with people who have money.
>I don't care about any of them.
Then why use their image to illustrate your point?
>because
>THEY eat "raw foods"
>THEY eat processed goyslop
>THEY eat only salads and fruits
>I never mentioned any of them
Then who the fuck is they?
>You're still grasping at straws
Ironically, you attaching yourself to this phrase is grasping at straws.
>he is rich now
wew lad
>you can't make actual arguments.
>Your n = 4
>your data is cherry picked where 3 out of 4 participants are demonstrably wealthy

>>15970236
>Entities who are in control want you to keep eating meat
Then why is its cost consistently going up tou fucking idiot

>>15970343
Just LMAO at your reading comprehension, how can you be this much of a turbonigger?
I replied to >>15969690
when talking about "they" and not the people in the image how can you possibly miss that?

Wealth/Health doesn't mean shit, Brad Pitt has money, his job is about his appearance yet he aged like shit, he had all the means to age well but he didn't.
You're so obsessed with the image for some reason but still can't make any actual arguments.

>>15969574
What's wrong with lentils?

>>15970405
>But they taste like lentils.
>Fair.
>No
>lentils taste better and more satisfying than meat. Easier to digest too if it's red lentils or a softer variety.
>They're less bioavailable and contain fewer vitamins, you're effectively malnourishing yourself you stupid nigger
>Cringe. B12 maybe, but nowadays the B12 in meat comes from supplements, so might as well cut out the middleman.
>animal-sourced foods have more bioavailable forms of nutrients than plants, e.g. retinol vs betacarotene, D2 vs D3, heme vs non-heme iron etc, calcium, zinc and choline you can also get much more easily from animal foods
>Easy as in what? You get sufficient nutrients from a plant-based diet
>etc.
Why don't you build on the previous discussion?

>>15970350
Probably because the general population where you live is retarded enough to transition into things that make them even more easily manipulable (like ultraprocessed non-meat foods), specially foods that make the men affeminate (so that the population lacks agression and boundaries).

Once the population is domesticated enough to do this, they sure do want self proclaimed "carnivores" etc to be angry at them, then they can spin your anger off to whatever they please, and frame you as right wing conservative nazis climate deniers or whatever controlled opposition they had chosen.
Where I live, the third world, the governmental status quo is "people need to eat meat", so we are a little bit behind at the time.

>>15970236
No this is utter fantasy, humans developed advanced tool use and perception primarily because of a switch to a heavily animal based diet.

>>15970397
Kek, anon, why are those they not representative of your argument but the wealthy they are? Please plug in your brain.

>>15970288
That actually makes sense when you see how humans eat.

>GIVE ME THE MEAT AND SUGAR!!

Hmmm...

>>15970525
It doesn't contradict anything in that post

>>15969627
>supplements

>humans didn't evolve to eat meat
>humans evolved to eat pills

>>15968531
So you mince your food with a knife a fine as chewing action?

>>15968756
>>15968760
based
t. former vegan

>>15969518
>he ferments things in his hindgut

what about cheese? is it le good?

>>15971027
I'm farting right now. Can you say the same?

>>15971043
I... can't......

>>15971043
I could say it but since I'm not a repulsive lump of commie filth it would be a lie.

>>15971005
you only need it small enough to get down your gullet you braindead retard. Never seen an Eskimo eat?

>>15969516
Gorillas hunt meat every 28 days and gorge on ungulate flesh. The idea that any of the great apes are lacking in animal product in their diets is a modern delusion

>>15969078
humans did start out as scavengers, getting nutrition from bones (brains and bone marrow), this extra nutrition allowed us to get bigger brains and only then humans started to hunt for fat and meat

>>15969492
Why are humans classed with things that normally eat leaves and bark and stuff when we can't really eat anything out of the box but certain ripe fruits.

Also, I think when it comes to plant food, you need more costly specialisation than animal food. So being built for eating plants, there's still a lot of benefit in eating animals when you can. But this is not true when you are built for eating animals, almost all of it is inedible and what isn't inedible is poorly digested/absorbed. Although it all depends on the specifics of an animal's digestion. And of course surviving on a shit diet for your biology is still surviving.

>>15969646
no way fucking lentils and spices are easier to digest than meat are you insane. they're both inflammatory and hard to digest.

>>15971491
Yes way because in both cases there are tons of variables like what kind of meat / lentils, marinated / soaked or not, how it's cooked, condiments or not, how much is consumed in one sitting, and what the gut is used to digest.

Diet: Roots, tubers, bulbs, corms, small vertebrates, fruit, and seeds

>>15971521
Fibre is rougher fullstop. While soaking and cooking the fuck out of it probably makes it ok (raw, hard plants are the worst), it is still going to take longer to digest, to pass, and be rougher on the body. None of those factors change this. You are simply not evaluating your digestion accurately, especially considering the spices.

>>15971559
>Fibre is rougher fullstop.
Obviously from only a mechanical point of view. From a chemical point of view it's more complicated. Both meat and fibre can cause constipation, diarrhea and anything in between for various reasons. Even hardcore carnivores like Baker, Rogan and Peterson's daughter admit diarrhea is an issue when starting carnivore because meat doesn't absorp so much water as the gut is used to let in on a high-fibre diet. On the other hand there are delusional vegans walking around bloated repeating two more weeks until I can digest this. Yet there are also carnivores who lost their ability to digest any fibre so their experience of fibre is more negatively biased.

Retard niggers on this board thinks the body cares about diet, it only cares about the nutrients you get and that you get them in the right amounts, the body didn't evolve to do shit it was all just randomly configured and makes no sense.
Example 1: High doses of vitamin A is great for your skin but causes irreversible liver damage.
Example 2: High doses of Selenium helps with thyroid health and boosts the immune system but can cause nerve damage and cancer

The body isn't logical so talking about "natural" diet or what we "evolved" to consume is meaningless

>>15971592
>body only cares about the nutrients
Impossible. What do chili, goulash, bolognese sauce, lentil soup and ful medames have in common? These dishes are popular worldwide because the body recognizes benefits like the acidity from the tomatoes helping to digest the protein so the body rewards the mind for preparing food that way. On the other hand bland /fit/ diets make people suicidally depressed because a meal is more than the sum of its components. There are all sorts of psychological factors impacting digestion like eating alone / together, distracted / focused, prayer before eating, using hands / cutlery / chopsticks etc.

>>15971628
I'm talking about how the body works, not how you feel and your emotions towards certain foods.
The body doesn't care if your nutrients come from X diet or Y diet, as long as it gets them. That's what I'm getting at.

>>15971767
Then consider that any component of food has a different effect in isolation than in a package. So package matters.

>>15971790
Still not what I'm talking about you absolute moron, are you fucking dumb or something?
Diet is irrelevant, what's relevant is nutrients. It doesn't matter WHAT you are eating as long as you get the nutrients, if that's from powder, pills, oils whatever doesn't matter.

Holy shit you must be a dense fucking retard.

>>15968495
See >>15969502
Came here to post this chart.

>>15969502
This chart is not correct and such a biased way of interpreting data.

>>15971856
and OP's picture is what then

>>15971491
>inflammatory
What a soccer mom. Jesus christ, imagine being afraid of eating beans because you think you'll get a tummy ache, then going online to scream at everyone that lentils are LITERALLY POISON. What's your view on essential oils?

>>15971820
Diet IS nutrients. Your diet is a set of nutrients that you consume. The form matters.

>>15969502
>incisors
Lol not reading the rest. Whoever made this fucked up with the first detail. Thinking artiodactyls having a horny pad on their top jaw is some kind of indication of their diet is absolutely bizarre. Horses have upper and lower incisors. Rhinos don't have ANY. The only incisors elephants have are tusks. This literally means nothing.

>>15969078

Yes. This is why we can process pretty much everything that's usually poison for any other animal, including primates.

>>15969574

>vegans actually believe this

>>15968495
Totally agree, you should stop eating meat because it's bad for you.
More for me.

>>15968495
> If we evolved to not eat meat
Then why do we eat meat?

>>15970119

>posts pic of rich cunts that take $100s of supplements monthly

Such health. A pure vegan diet must really be ideal for the human body. All those natural supplements.

>>15972775
Furthermore how many non-meat eating animals eat meat in the wild?

>>15972798
>Furthermore

>>15972805

>>15972798
they all do when the opportunity presents itself

>>15972775
if you believe in evolution then its just an absurd cope to deny evolution when an animal does something you don't want it to. if an animal eats meat then it is evolved to eat meat. and since all animals eat meat…

deer eating a rabbit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWvQfGXO6rI
elephant eating fish
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WEuDFjDdU4
cow eating a snake
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMmUHXiB4ak

>>15972933
>1 video
Nigger I have a question. Have you ever even SEEN a different video with animals in it?

>>15973349
the n word is racist

>159 posts
>56 IPs

>>15973379
Cum in my ass.

>>15969695
What does being scavengers have to do with disgust for gay men?

>>15969068
Except humans are not optimized for grazing so we're proactive scavengers.

>>15972933
Neither my comment nor yours, proves humans shouldn’t eat meat. Thanks for the research brainlet.

>>15969627
>supplements and overpriced highly processed corporate slop.

You should be able to derive all you nutritional needs from an acre of land and local barter without relying on the establishment.

>>15971991
Nope

>>15969627
Janjans I've taken a shit on isle 3 again could you clean this up for me janny? No no there's no mop needed, just scrape it off the floor with you hands janny.

>>15973469
>You should be able to derive all you nutritional needs from an acre of land and local barter without relying on the establishment.
I'm a scientist, not a farmer.

>>15969627
>but nowadays the B12 in meat comes from supplements
fake news
supplemental B12 for cattle exists because, like humans, they can get sick. when they get sick, they are given antibiotics. the antibiotics kill the gut bacteria that normally produce B12.
so the cattle are given supplemental B12 alongside their antibiotics to ensure they aren't deficient

>>15969739
your own link
>Vitamin B12 is an essential component of enzymes involved in several metabolic functions. Feedstuffs of plant origin do not contain vitamin B12, whereas proteins of animal origin are good sources of vitamin B12
This isn't controversial. Swine are monogastric omnivores, just like humans. Gut bacteria can synthesise some B12 in monogastrics too, but not an optimum amount for health. Luckily humans occupy a higher trophic level than pigs and can let them concentrate B12 into their flesh for us to eat.

>>15973642
So, our alternatives are
>we eat supplements
>pig eats supplements, we eat pig
Seems wasteful to rely on the pig here. Why don't omnis just admit that the taste of bacon is more important than anything else to them? Most vegans will tell you that bacon tastes great, it objectively does.

>>15973379
>159 posts
>56 IPs
now its 170 posts & 59 IPs

>>15973662
Personally I don't eat much pork. I eat a lot of beef. Ruminants don't need B12 supplements.

>>15973663
That's not remarkable because participation follows the pareto distribution always everywhere.

>>15973676
Greg for you, bad for the planet.

>>15973758
The planet will be just fine regardless of cows.

>>15973662
Bacon is too fatty. I prefer beef.

>>15968495
vegieniggers eat shit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xDPrvhLNuU

>>15973960
The n-word is racist. This is a blue board.

>>15973965
by me like if its a fucking periwinkle board, eat shit faggot

>>15973971
Please stop trolling me, this is also against the rules.

>>15968495
the fact they wrote it as "veg" tells me pajeets made this infographic and their track record on science is laughable at best

>>15973979
Take one to know one? I didn't know that vegetables are just referred to as veg in India.

>>15971005
Incisors are not used for chewing, brainlet.

>>15973960
Oh look another edgy epic bacon redditor trying to convince everyone that herbivores don't exist. I'm so glad this age is almost over and all the midwits will be buried beneath the foundations of hell.

>>15968756
>>15968755
based. thank you for your service sir. o7

Fangs are for killing things with your teeth, not eating meat, you fucking idiot.

omnivore

>>15974293
Yes, that would be carnassials, which humans lack.

>>15968756
>>15968760
uh, based?

>>15968495
>> 2024 and still associating teeth with diets rather than gut microbiome.

Lol, have you seen a panda?