/sci/ - Science & Math

>>15969989
Where I live psychiatrists are doctors who need a referral from a general practitioner and you only get such referral in case of a physiological brain disorder that causes suffering like legit schizos who can't go to school or work without meds.

mine gave me psy powers
I can levitate fish with my mind
you'd be surprised how often that comes in handy

>>15969989
I was suicidal and saw a psychiatrist and now a few years later I am not suicidal

>>15970003
I've had several students casually mention seeing their psychiatrist for things like anxiety and depression.

>>15970107
Are you still medicated and if so what's your stack?

>>15969989
Yes, took my allowed 10 sessions one semester with a therapist. Allowed to get a grounding in reality and do the rest of the work internally to begin healing. A lot of you retards misunderstand the purpose of therapy. It's the crank you use to start the car, but once the car stars you don't keep cranking.

>>15970131
My favorite is when people are in therapy for 6+ years with 14 different therapists and weaponize it. Just what do they think they're getting out of it?

>>15970107
Same.
Turned out to be a lifelong condition but with meds and some therapy I now can fully enjoy life and have a successful career.
It may not be like getting an antibiotic for an infection in my case, but it’s very much like getting an advanced prosthetic for someone who was born without a limb.

>>15969989
making someone healthy isn't psychiatrists' job
best case scenario they'll help some people be more functional and not kill themselves

>>15970118
I'm saying it depends on where you live because psychiatrist are not refered to for psychotherapy anymore in my country. So psychiatrists are not evil predators pushing pills around here. So OP's picrel is at least partially false.

>>15970149
validation

>>15969989
Of course not. If you can't heal yourself then you are fucked. Is simple as that.

>>15970120
3 different antidepressants, one of them is also an antipsychotic. Dexamphetamine. Beta blockers. Melatonin, though I only take that sometimes. But because I'm feeling better I'm starting to take less of the antidepressants and want to try and stop them after a while, but they do help

>>15970149
Therapy only works through personal effort outside the sessions. Patients who've had 14 different therapists might just be too lazy to implement their shrink's teachings into everyday life, hence why it never works.
Also, many illnesses can only be managed and not healed. Without therapy they might be off much worse

>>15970370
>might just be too lazy
>I am not allowing anyone to can't.

>>15970352
>t. speaker at a cancer ward

If you think going to a psychiatrist is a good idea, you're at least retarded and probably worse.

>>15970375
Re-read the post. Some people are just lazy. They go to therapy, nod at every word their therapist says, but then fail to integrate the discussed changes in cognitive behavior into everyday life. Therapy is like visiting a weight loss expert. He can give you tips on how to work out properly, which food is healthy and which isn't, what to avoid etc. But if you go home afterwards and keep stuffing yourself with shitty junk food, all his advice won't do anything. And then you go
>hurr, it's all quackery, I've been to 14 different coaches and I'm still fat
BUT, there's a fuckload of genuine mental illnesses which CANNOT be healed, only treated through medication and/or therapy. For those people therapy serves to lessen their symptoms so life is bearable.You can't, for example, heal paranoid schizophrenia.

>>15970418
I've been to one after going through a tough patch in life, and he has helped me a great deal. I wouldn't be here anymore if it weren't for him. There's things which cannot be discussed with friends and family. They are emotionally bound to you, so their "advice" usually isn't the best. It's good to have someone who looks at things impartially, who actually knows how the human mind works and who has more to say other than "just look at a sunset, it'll cheer you up lol" or "no pls don't kys it would make me really sad ;_;"

>>15970683
>but then fail to integrate
yes anon I'm specifically drawing your attention to you being the judge of his abilities
>I KNOW HE CAN BUT HE DOESN'T WANT TO!!!!
this is the idiotic part which makes things worse, because you think things hurr hurr

>>15970689
I don't get your point. I'm addressing both alternatives. Why do people visit 14 different therapists and still feel like shit? Because
a) they're lazy, or
b) they're uncurable

>>15970791
or c) all therapists are shit at solving their problem
but you don't like that because it doesn't fit your internal narrative. you think things

>>15970799
Anon, I've been to one, and he has helped me get out of the hole I had dug for myself years ago. No one else I had talked to up to that point had been able to help me. I'm a direct witness to the validity and effectiveness of psychotherapy.

Are you saying I could just as well have gone to my used car dealer? Yeah, might be. Maybe he's a wise old sage during off-hours and I would have gotten the same results by talking to him instead. But since there's no evidence pointing in that direction, I'm gonna maintain that therapy helps.

Maybe you just got unlucky.

>>15970799
nta
>c) all therapists are shit at solving their problem
i saw one therapist for 14 sessions in college across two semesters (every 2-3 weeks), along with a semi-structured group therapy session that ran for one semester (once a week). that was over 10 years ago now. i was depressed, suicidal, and friendless. now i find myself waking up every day feeling happy with a vibrant, and fulfilling life. no therapy or medication needed. so at least one therapist is good. a majority of the work was done by me with my therapist's guiding hand.

i agree with the other anon: if therapy isn't working for someone, they're either not actually trying or their brain is irreparably broken to where even medication cannot cure it (medication can, however treat it). the latter should be rare situations whereas the former should be the most common variant of therapy failures. i'll also admit that there are some therapists who suck, but i'm willing to bet that's about 20-30% of therapy failure rate, laziness is 60-70% failure rate and those who need medication are a remaining 10% of the failure rate.

>>15969989
Yeah. As it was my only meaningful interaction and kept me accountable. Then she semi retired cause she was an alky.

>>15971136
meds.

>>15969989
Psychiatry = Scam.

>>15971140

yeah, all of the people who walked IN as healthy in the first place lol

>>15970683
Cannot be healed.

Well, there was drugs in research, that literally makes people smarter, and alleviated schizophrenia, but they never get off despite having success in trials.

Maybe sole reason is, that psychiatrist doesn't want pill that works, so they can push pills that makes somebody hooked on forever.

Literally symptoms of schiz are side effects or main effect of schizo pills.

Such as delusion. One cannot properly function in society having dopamine, adrenalin, noradrenalin, serotonin blocked by pharmaceuticals.

Medication sometimes even permanently block some receptors, making cells non vital.

Medication plays role in epigenetics and gene expression of receptor genes,

>>15971137
Promised the psychiatrist if I was gonna do something stupid, I'd get on them.

>>15971510
>may cause euphoria or manic episodes

>>15971911
>confusion

>did anyone ever go to an interior decorator who said their house already looks great?
>did a car salesman ever tell someone they car they have already is fine?
What they call "disease" is literally those people's business. The explosion in the frequency of "psychiatric disease" has nothing to do with medical illness. It's purely a function of the number of psychiatrists.

>>15971913
Yeah, but only if youre trying to figure out reality. Just dont.

Mystery solved.

>>15971917
But if I won't figure out reality I would be delusional and that's another symptom. I want less symptoms, not more.

>>15971919
>not more
Its like you want to be an NPC...I simply cannot.

Each mental illness I get I unlock another PhD.

>>15970897
you're making some retarded suppositions, that psychological problems have been figured out, that psychological problems are fixable, that all psychologists are able to fix any broken human.
unless the above are all true, whenever some dude goes through 14 different the-rapists and no improvement it means those 14 the-rapists are shit for his particular problem. simple as.

>>15971922
Well, I suffer from delusions, but not mine. I suffer from psychiatrist delusion, that I am ill, but I still suffer from delusion, therefore he's correct to diagnose me with suffering from delusions. Being on pill is a little bit of suffering, I feel my emotions are dying and I am becoming blunt.

That's like bad dream. I just spoke too fast, getting from writing assembly machine code of computers on paper to learn it to hospital in ambulance, and I refused to stay in hospital so they hook me to ECT and some medication. I have huge headache from that kind of informatics eversince.

Where I live psychiatrist just "see" diagnosis. No proves, no diagnostics, but their sight is important in knowing who has what.

>>15971934
And also they are paid more if they prescribe something so...

>>15971934
>No proves, no diagnostics
Thats not even possible, he is limited by your testimony and his prescription options. Psychologists *should* be able to cure these things but they dont understand the brain very well at this point in history. They should be able to in about a generation.

Prescriptions are supposed to be a last resort, not first option.

>>15971959
Well, I think you live in country with better health system than of mine.

>>15971933
either you didn't read my post or didn't understand it.
>you're making some retarded suppositions . . . that all psychologists are able to fix any broken human
meanwhile what i actually wrote is
>there are some therapists who suck, but i'm willing to bet that's about 20-30% of therapy failure rate
i see no reason to address your bad faith post any further. whether it's intentionally or unintentionally bad faith is irrelevant

>>15972083
it isn't and you didn't address what I said, at all
see, if you discover some UFOs, and have people work them out, and we figure SOME functions they have, we get to use them in our society, and for some reason one stops working, all people trying to fix said UFO are not guaranteed to, because they don't know shit about shit, they have some ideas, at most.
in this sense, the UFO is not wrong for not working, it's all the humans who tried to make it work that are idiots for not being able to figure it out, and that is supposing the UFO is somehow clearly fixable in the first place.
you start with the wrong suppositions, which are very conveniently planted by people trying to make this shit work, not be enjoyable at a personal level. your perspective helps that, not personal happiness.

>>15972077
Why would I use services that are students to me? Why would anyone? Life isnt supposed to be bliss.

Youre supposed to be *more* than self sufficient.

>>15970353
topkek. I got rid of my suicidal ideas by smoking cannabis. It would be worth smoking it even if I didn't have those ideas to begin with.